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A Sweatshop Behind Bars
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As a child Ayana Cole dreamed of becoming a world class fashion designer. Today she is among hundreds of inmates crowded in an Oregon prison factory cranking out designer jeans. For her labor she is paid 45 cents an hour. At a chic Beverly Hills boutique some of the beaded creations carry a $350 price tag. In fact the jeans labeled "Prison Blues" -- proved so popular last year that prison factories couldn't keep up with demand.
At a San Diego private-run prison factory Donovan Thomas earns 21 cents an hour manufacturing office equipment used in some of LA's plushest office towers. In Chino Gary's prison sewn T-shirts are a fashion hit.
Hundreds of prison generated products end up attached to trendy and nationally known labels like No Fear, Lee Jeans, Trinidad Tees, and other well known U.S. companies. After deductions, many prisoners like Cole and Thomas earn about $60 for an entire month of nine-hour days. In short, hiring out prisoners has become big business. And it's booming.
At CMT Blues housed at the Maximum Security Richard J. Donovan State Correctional Facility outside San Diego, the highly prized jobs pay minimum wage. Less than half goes into the inmates' pockets. The rest is siphoned off to reimburse the state for the cost of their incarceration and to a victim restitution fund.
The California Department of Corrections and CMT Blues owner Pierre Sleiman say they are providing inmates with job skills, a work ethic and income. In addition, he says prisoners offer the ultimate in a flexible and dependable work force. "If I lay them off for a week," said Sleiman, referring to his workers, "I don't have to worry about someone else coming and saying, ‘Come work for me.' "
For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don't have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment, health or worker's comp insurance, vacation or comp time. All of their workers are full time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if prisoners refuse to work, they are moved to disciplinary housing and lose canteen privileges. Most importantly, they lose "good time" credit that reduces their sentence.
Today, there are over 2 million people incarcerated in the U.S., more than any other industrialized country. They are disproportionately African-American and Latino. The nation's prison industry now employees nearly three quarters of a million people, more than any Fortune 500 corporation, other than General Motors. Mushrooming construction has turned the industry into the main employer in scores of depressed cities and towns. A host of firms are profiting from private prisons, prison labor and services like transportation, farming and manufacturing.
Critics argue that inmate labor is both a potential human rights abuse and a threat to workers outside prison walls claiming, inmates have no bargaining power, are easily exploited and once released are frequently barred from gainful employment because of a felony conviction.
In one California lawsuit, for example, two prisoners have sued both their employer and the prison, saying they were put in solitary confinement after refusing to labor in unsafe working conditions. In a nutshell John Fleckner of Operation Prison Reform labels the growing trend "capitalist punishment -- slavery re-envisioned."
The prison industry is not a new phenomenon, writes Fleckner. He says mixing the profit motive with punishment only invites abuse reminiscent of one of the ugliest chapters in U.S. history. "Under a regime where more bodies equal more profits prisons take one big step closer to their historical ancestor, the slave pen."
In fact, prison labor has its roots in slavery. Following reconstruction, former Confederate Democrats instituted "convict leasing." Black inmates, mostly freed slaves convicted of petty theft, were rented out to do everything from picking cotton to building railroads. In Mississippi, a huge farm, resembling a slave plantation replaced convict leasing. The infamous Parchman Farm was not closed until 1972, when inmates brought suit against the abusive conditions in federal court.
Prison analysts say contract prison labor is poised to become one of America's most important growth industries. Many of these prisoners are serving time for non-violent crimes. With the use of tough-on-crime mandatory sentencing laws, the prison population is bursting at the seams. Some experts believe that the number of people locked up in the U.S. could double in the next 10 years. According to Prison Watch, the expansion of the number of prisoners will not only increase the pool of prison labor available for commercial profit, but also will help pay the costs of incarceration.
"The main goal of prison work programs is to provide "a positive outlet to help inmates productively use their time and energies. Another goal is to instill good work habits, including appropriate job behavior and time management, according to the Joint Venture Program of the California Department of Corrections. The program is responsible for contracting out convict labor to governments, businesses and non-profit organizations.
Federal law prohibits domestic commerce in prison-made goods unless inmates are paid "prevailing wages" but because the law doesn't apply to exports, prison officials routinely market to foreign customers.
In California the prisons themselves are their own best customers. The California Department of Corrections purchases about half of what the prisons make, choosing from an online Prison Industry Authority catalog.
Prisoners now manufacture everything from blue jeans, to auto parts, to electronics and furniture. Honda has paid inmates $2 an hour for doing the same work an auto worker would get paid $20 to $30 an hour to do. Konica has used prisoners to repair copiers for less than 50 cents an hour. Toys ‘R' Us once used prisoners to restock shelves, and Microsoft to pack and ship software. Clothing made in California and Oregon prisons competes so successfully with apparel made in Latin America and Asia that it is exported to other countries.
In most states prisoners receive little of the money they earn working either for state-run or private sector corrections firms such as the Corrections Corporations of America (CCA) and Wackenhut. The labor prisoners perform is often considerably cheaper than in the outside world. Case in point, Texas-based Lockhart Technologies closed its Austin plant and fired some 150 workers who constructed circuit boards because it could relocate those jobs to a Wackenhut-run prison where detainees did the work for minimum wage.
But even with the low pay and potential for abuse, the labor programs are popular with prisoners, says California Prison Watch, which monitors the state's prisons. "Prisoner idle time is less, they earn spending money, and they can pick up a skill."
Tony Matos, 45 convicted of robbing a Rialto liquor store says, "When we step through the gates and into the shop, it's another world. This is a company. This isn't prison. Guards still keep watch, the capitalists still profit -- the critics and supporters still debate. But in the end, I get a skill, a few coins and a ray of hope and dignity."
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 13, 2006 12:46 AM
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So I cannot tell whether the incidents in the article are anecdotal or whether doing work for export is a wide-spread condition. The difference between those who want to work and are willing to work versus those who are forced to work deserves some clarification. Either I'm dumb or the writer here is being cute.
I do not wish to defend our *prison-industrial complex.* Nor do I expect law-breakers to go unpunished. One mistake we currently make is to be too eager to lock people behind bars. Before one goes to jail, it is an unknown threat. After one goes to jail, it is known for what it is, and it loses its threat.
No wonder it doesn't work for offenders. It only works for corporations.
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Posted by: AndyF on Sep 13, 2006 4:23 AM
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If however, this is a roundabout way of getting at the question of why so many in the US are locked up, let's address that question. Prisons have turned into gold mines for Corrections officer unions, rural areas with limited employment opportunities, building contractors and private prison operators. What we should be doing is encouraging good work programs, some skills training and a complete re-think of who needs to go to prison and how long they should be in prison. Our current system neither deters people or rehabilitates them.
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» Also, All prisoner labor should be non-profit for the corporations that run prisons.
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Posted by: BeeGee on Sep 13, 2006 6:27 AM
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And then, when you figure in the percentage of people -- predominantly black and Latino -- in prison for non-violent, victimless crimes, it gets even more interesting. Who needs China when we have our own little slave-wage sweatshops right here in the USA?!
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Posted by: cinattra on Sep 13, 2006 6:34 AM
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Besides that I thought prison was for punishment or at the least rehabilitation. Sounds like pure exploitation and minorities are the biggest victims since they make up the largest population percentage.
I'm sure it is a pretty good deal for the prisoners. However, this topic brings up ethical issues as well as issues of marketplace fairness. When a society locks up a person what is that society's responsibility to that individual? It is definitely not to allow that person to be exploited for a quick buck.
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Posted by: caracolsma on Sep 13, 2006 7:19 AM
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Current policy regarding cheap prison labor is geared towards improving the bottom line of participating corporations. We need to move beyond the punishment/revenge, "tough on crime", based approach towards anti-social behavior. But that requires reasonable, thoughful analysis and outcome based planning.This goes against popularized, fear based responses, to existing problems.
There are many organizations, nationwide, working for sane reform of existing criminal justice policy. Join one and do your part to make the changes necessary to bring polcies intothe 21st century.
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» yes, thank you for mentioning the 13th amendment
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Posted by: picket on Sep 13, 2006 7:27 AM
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Why do nonviolent offenders like those that cannot pay their parole fines or support their children or relax after a day of hard labor with one beer, keep going back for that great experience? Prisons do not stop crime. Prisons do not stop poverty, drug addiction or racism.......but those warm young bodies are NEEDED to keep this system profitable. These are disposable citizens that are a profit to Corporate America.
It is now unending...the politicians have a profit motive, they MUST be tough on crime. Society should decide who are the criminals not those people with a huge profit motive.
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Posted by: lutragrrl on Sep 13, 2006 7:54 AM
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This article would have done well to cite more sources.
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Posted by: lc on Sep 13, 2006 8:20 AM
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It is over with. They won. This election cycle will prove it. Nothing will change because they control the vote too.
Less than two months for that to prove itself out.
Cheers,
Ron
I spent two years at FCI-Morgantown for importing smoking pipes from India for resale to stores across ameriKa. Every store I shipped via UPS to another state was an interstate violation, three years and $250,000.00 fine. I was guilty by my invoice total shipments for a year of more than ten lifetimes but they only charged me with 79 years and $5 million in fines to force me to plea bargain; which they then violated because the bargain is made with the prosecutor. The Judge does what he wants and did so to me violating the terms: no extra time after prison and no fine. It really is the Just-us System. You can read about my story at www.LinkersMarketing.com/Stories.htm.
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Posted by: meadowlake59 on Sep 13, 2006 8:39 AM
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"Conservatives use law and order appeals to attract less affluent voters who are more likely to be crime victims and who may resent underclass street criminals because these voters live in or near areas where violent crime is a threat." They go on to assert (with citation) that: "By focusing on street crime, conservative political parties can win elections by attracting votes from the less prosperous (Beckett 1997) and still pursue policies that benefit their affluent core supporters."
So here is the recipe our current admininistration has brewed:
1) "Crime is a choice, not influenced by social forces." (Disregard the wealth of social science which has demonstrated the positive link between crime and lack of economic opportunities).
2) "Increased penelties deter crime."
(Again, science has shown repeatedly that this is not the case and there may , in fact, be a negative association with these two variables.)
3) "Once they 'learn their lesson' they will be reformed."
(The greatest mistrutth of all. Prisons are breeding grounds for carrer criminals. Not to mention that a criminal record, especiallly for the African-American male is a significant impediment to employment (Pager 2003) and wage mobility (Western 2002).
Oh yeah; if you already can't tell, I am one of those university types who is out of touch with the REAL economy. I work two jobs and neither offers health insurance--I stay enrolled in classes and pay through my tuition. But unlike our 'Fearless Leader' I try to stick to facts and science rather than what my gut tells me or text messages I get from a 'Higher Father". This country has been hurled into a pit of ignorance and deceit and under the last 40 years of leadership, has become a pathetic excuse for what it once was. I grew up in the 60s, I have experienced the erosion of pride in what it means to be an American, watched the Nixon Watergate debacle, Reagan's dirty wars in Central America and hocus-pocus 'trickle-down' economic theories, and now the dumbing-down and exploitation of the vast majority of Americans. People--tell your friends--tell the person next to you--complain to your elected official (then be whisked off to the new gulag).
"Government itself is the art of keeping power from the people under the guise of the people's will."
A. Sivinandan
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Posted by: Klaxton on Sep 13, 2006 9:59 AM
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However what does trouble me is that the prisoners are being paid so little relative to the prevailing wage in the US. They (no fault of their own) are putting people out of work who could actually be making an honest living doing those jobs. Now, if the full cost of incarceration were being factored into the price of their labor I can see things coming out fairly. But I think I am hearing that this is not the case, prison goods undercut the free market. I live in Texas, people here have suggested that prisoners go back to doing road work as a punishment. But people already have paying jobs doing that, what happens to them?
Also I am concerned about the unskilled nature of the work. People often wind up in prison due to poor education and no skills, which means poverty. If you learn to sew clothes or make license plates you will still be poor. I want to see rehabilitation, not exploitation.
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Posted by: jherne on Sep 13, 2006 10:28 AM
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Good business in the short run maybe; but it will ruin the economy in the long run. And ruin many lives in the process.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Sep 13, 2006 11:09 AM
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But then again, some will argue they're doing something beneficial, to learn a skill and a chance to reform themselves.
Prisoners in Stalin's rule didn't have that choice. Although it was a different era, they were forced to build the steel mills, dams, roads, new cities, etc. Some prisoners in America don't have to do that kind of backbreaking work, nevertheless it should makes us wonder why we need to exploit people in this manner cheaply.
Prisoners are seen by society as monsters who are locked up because of their crimes, and need to be punished. That is true. But they are still human and should not be tormented behind bars. Jail life can be cruel, vicious and violent, but we know many of them want to be reformed and to be given another chance. We should give them that chance, for most convicts aren't hardcore criminals. Some spend time to educate themselves or use religion to heal past wrongs.
But we should reexamine the complex relationship of prisons, labor and rehabilitation today. The lines aren't clear. Somehow prisons are more than a place to "correct" human behavior. It's now viewed as a vast (semi-skilled) labor pool. Is this our future?
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» not just about future: past and present too, it's part of the system (13th amendment)
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Posted by: harris on Sep 13, 2006 11:26 AM
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The good god-fearing, American Values(TM) people will say "Don't coddle the criminals, they can be punished and help the economy and learn a skill at the same time, ya bleeding hearts..."
The problem is, these prisoners are still American citizens and humans being, - it is immoral and unAmerican to pay them token sums, way less than even the pathetic minimum wage. Especially if they are just there on a played up felony "drug" distribution or posession charges for a baggie of herb.
They are in a position where if they don't work, the only option is to sit in a locked cell or be in a constant mental and physical battle against butt rape and extortion. Some choice... There's American freedom for you... choose the lesser evil from the all-powerful authority, or be a lazy, complaining sack of shit in the True Believer's eyes.
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Sep 13, 2006 12:39 PM
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Do you really think the gubmint cares what you do to your lungs with marijuana when they're allowing the big corps to fill the air with poison?
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Posted by: redgreenbrown on Sep 13, 2006 1:51 PM
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In South Africa prison labour of all sorts was banned after freedom in 1994. Prisoners are still allowed to vote here, somewhat controversially amongst certain sectors!
I agree this is nothing new in the US but it shows the primitive retributive type of thinking that you guys are locked into by the prison/military/corporate industrial complex.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 13, 2006 5:34 PM
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This does explain why the Repiblicans want to gut public education - an old rule from America's slavery past is that it is illegal to teach the slaves to read and write.
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Posted by: yellow on Sep 14, 2006 12:43 AM
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Prison labor is being employed more and more in the private sector. They are even working in the private construction industry. A few years back in Fond du Lac, a construction laborers local #1086 protested the use of Waupon Prison labor in Wisconsin in an apparent endeavor on the part of big contractors to break the building trades unions. This concern has extended to many parts of the country such as Austin, Texas where in March 2001, a small consumer electronics manufacturing plant closed laying off some 150 employees. It was naturally assumed that the plant was moving to northern Mexico until it was discovered that it quickly resumed operations in Austin at a nearby prison facility. Corporation have found prison labor to be as profitable as cheap third world labor.
It is no accident that the 1980s era legal reforms that made the corporate move toward prison labor feasible, nicely dovetailed with other economic neo-liberalization and globalization measures. These measures contributed, along with many of the other more familiar ones, to the precipitous decline of the old middle class and the rise of the super-rich in America. The post-1980s era history of corrections in the US not only finds a legacy of increased incarceration rates but an increase in efforts to fill the prisons such as three strikes laws and the war on drugs. Incarceration rates seem to proceed along the lines of unemployment rates and often in the opposite direction of decreaseing crime rates! Many of the nation's two million convicts are non-violent. By mid 1998, drug defendants comprised about 60% of the federal prison population, up from 25% in 1980 when the crackdowns began. Further, the use of the active adversizing efforts by the various corrections systems all over the country has increased as have the corporate response. Prisoners make well below the minimum wage that the companies pay after the correctional system deducts about 80% for the support and maintainance of the convict labor force
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» 20,000 out of 250,000? So 8%? Isn't that about the average US unemployment level?
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Posted by: talkville on Sep 15, 2006 2:21 AM
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Posted by: parkerll on Sep 18, 2006 11:12 AM
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"Devastated by war, bewildered by peace, and unprepared to confront the problems of prison management, Southern states sought to alleviate the need for cheap labor, a perceived rise in criminal behavior, and the bankruptcy of their state treasuries. Mancini describes the leasing of convicts to corporations and individuals as a policy that, in addition to reducing prison populations and generating revenues, offered a means of racial subordination and labor discipline."
I am seeing the same rationale for prison labor used today. Corporations exploit people for profit. Period.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 13, 2006 12:46 AM
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So I cannot tell whether the incidents in the article are anecdotal or whether doing work for export is a wide-spread condition. The difference between those who want to work and are willing to work versus those who are forced to work deserves some clarification. Either I'm dumb or the writer here is being cute.
I do not wish to defend our *prison-industrial complex.* Nor do I expect law-breakers to go unpunished. One mistake we currently make is to be too eager to lock people behind bars. Before one goes to jail, it is an unknown threat. After one goes to jail, it is known for what it is, and it loses its threat.
No wonder it doesn't work for offenders. It only works for corporations.
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Posted by: AndyF on Sep 13, 2006 4:23 AM
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If however, this is a roundabout way of getting at the question of why so many in the US are locked up, let's address that question. Prisons have turned into gold mines for Corrections officer unions, rural areas with limited employment opportunities, building contractors and private prison operators. What we should be doing is encouraging good work programs, some skills training and a complete re-think of who needs to go to prison and how long they should be in prison. Our current system neither deters people or rehabilitates them.
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» Also, All prisoner labor should be non-profit for the corporations that run prisons.
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Posted by: BeeGee on Sep 13, 2006 6:27 AM
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And then, when you figure in the percentage of people -- predominantly black and Latino -- in prison for non-violent, victimless crimes, it gets even more interesting. Who needs China when we have our own little slave-wage sweatshops right here in the USA?!
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Posted by: cinattra on Sep 13, 2006 6:34 AM
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Besides that I thought prison was for punishment or at the least rehabilitation. Sounds like pure exploitation and minorities are the biggest victims since they make up the largest population percentage.
I'm sure it is a pretty good deal for the prisoners. However, this topic brings up ethical issues as well as issues of marketplace fairness. When a society locks up a person what is that society's responsibility to that individual? It is definitely not to allow that person to be exploited for a quick buck.
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Posted by: caracolsma on Sep 13, 2006 7:19 AM
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Current policy regarding cheap prison labor is geared towards improving the bottom line of participating corporations. We need to move beyond the punishment/revenge, "tough on crime", based approach towards anti-social behavior. But that requires reasonable, thoughful analysis and outcome based planning.This goes against popularized, fear based responses, to existing problems.
There are many organizations, nationwide, working for sane reform of existing criminal justice policy. Join one and do your part to make the changes necessary to bring polcies intothe 21st century.
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» yes, thank you for mentioning the 13th amendment
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Posted by: picket on Sep 13, 2006 7:27 AM
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Why do nonviolent offenders like those that cannot pay their parole fines or support their children or relax after a day of hard labor with one beer, keep going back for that great experience? Prisons do not stop crime. Prisons do not stop poverty, drug addiction or racism.......but those warm young bodies are NEEDED to keep this system profitable. These are disposable citizens that are a profit to Corporate America.
It is now unending...the politicians have a profit motive, they MUST be tough on crime. Society should decide who are the criminals not those people with a huge profit motive.
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Posted by: lutragrrl on Sep 13, 2006 7:54 AM
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This article would have done well to cite more sources.
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Posted by: lc on Sep 13, 2006 8:20 AM
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It is over with. They won. This election cycle will prove it. Nothing will change because they control the vote too.
Less than two months for that to prove itself out.
Cheers,
Ron
I spent two years at FCI-Morgantown for importing smoking pipes from India for resale to stores across ameriKa. Every store I shipped via UPS to another state was an interstate violation, three years and $250,000.00 fine. I was guilty by my invoice total shipments for a year of more than ten lifetimes but they only charged me with 79 years and $5 million in fines to force me to plea bargain; which they then violated because the bargain is made with the prosecutor. The Judge does what he wants and did so to me violating the terms: no extra time after prison and no fine. It really is the Just-us System. You can read about my story at www.LinkersMarketing.com/Stories.htm.
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Posted by: meadowlake59 on Sep 13, 2006 8:39 AM
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"Conservatives use law and order appeals to attract less affluent voters who are more likely to be crime victims and who may resent underclass street criminals because these voters live in or near areas where violent crime is a threat." They go on to assert (with citation) that: "By focusing on street crime, conservative political parties can win elections by attracting votes from the less prosperous (Beckett 1997) and still pursue policies that benefit their affluent core supporters."
So here is the recipe our current admininistration has brewed:
1) "Crime is a choice, not influenced by social forces." (Disregard the wealth of social science which has demonstrated the positive link between crime and lack of economic opportunities).
2) "Increased penelties deter crime."
(Again, science has shown repeatedly that this is not the case and there may , in fact, be a negative association with these two variables.)
3) "Once they 'learn their lesson' they will be reformed."
(The greatest mistrutth of all. Prisons are breeding grounds for carrer criminals. Not to mention that a criminal record, especiallly for the African-American male is a significant impediment to employment (Pager 2003) and wage mobility (Western 2002).
Oh yeah; if you already can't tell, I am one of those university types who is out of touch with the REAL economy. I work two jobs and neither offers health insurance--I stay enrolled in classes and pay through my tuition. But unlike our 'Fearless Leader' I try to stick to facts and science rather than what my gut tells me or text messages I get from a 'Higher Father". This country has been hurled into a pit of ignorance and deceit and under the last 40 years of leadership, has become a pathetic excuse for what it once was. I grew up in the 60s, I have experienced the erosion of pride in what it means to be an American, watched the Nixon Watergate debacle, Reagan's dirty wars in Central America and hocus-pocus 'trickle-down' economic theories, and now the dumbing-down and exploitation of the vast majority of Americans. People--tell your friends--tell the person next to you--complain to your elected official (then be whisked off to the new gulag).
"Government itself is the art of keeping power from the people under the guise of the people's will."
A. Sivinandan
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Posted by: badkitty on Sep 13, 2006 9:17 AM
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Posted by: Klaxton on Sep 13, 2006 9:59 AM
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However what does trouble me is that the prisoners are being paid so little relative to the prevailing wage in the US. They (no fault of their own) are putting people out of work who could actually be making an honest living doing those jobs. Now, if the full cost of incarceration were being factored into the price of their labor I can see things coming out fairly. But I think I am hearing that this is not the case, prison goods undercut the free market. I live in Texas, people here have suggested that prisoners go back to doing road work as a punishment. But people already have paying jobs doing that, what happens to them?
Also I am concerned about the unskilled nature of the work. People often wind up in prison due to poor education and no skills, which means poverty. If you learn to sew clothes or make license plates you will still be poor. I want to see rehabilitation, not exploitation.
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Posted by: jherne on Sep 13, 2006 10:28 AM
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Good business in the short run maybe; but it will ruin the economy in the long run. And ruin many lives in the process.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Sep 13, 2006 11:09 AM
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But then again, some will argue they're doing something beneficial, to learn a skill and a chance to reform themselves.
Prisoners in Stalin's rule didn't have that choice. Although it was a different era, they were forced to build the steel mills, dams, roads, new cities, etc. Some prisoners in America don't have to do that kind of backbreaking work, nevertheless it should makes us wonder why we need to exploit people in this manner cheaply.
Prisoners are seen by society as monsters who are locked up because of their crimes, and need to be punished. That is true. But they are still human and should not be tormented behind bars. Jail life can be cruel, vicious and violent, but we know many of them want to be reformed and to be given another chance. We should give them that chance, for most convicts aren't hardcore criminals. Some spend time to educate themselves or use religion to heal past wrongs.
But we should reexamine the complex relationship of prisons, labor and rehabilitation today. The lines aren't clear. Somehow prisons are more than a place to "correct" human behavior. It's now viewed as a vast (semi-skilled) labor pool. Is this our future?
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» not just about future: past and present too, it's part of the system (13th amendment)
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Posted by: harris on Sep 13, 2006 11:26 AM
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The good god-fearing, American Values(TM) people will say "Don't coddle the criminals, they can be punished and help the economy and learn a skill at the same time, ya bleeding hearts..."
The problem is, these prisoners are still American citizens and humans being, - it is immoral and unAmerican to pay them token sums, way less than even the pathetic minimum wage. Especially if they are just there on a played up felony "drug" distribution or posession charges for a baggie of herb.
They are in a position where if they don't work, the only option is to sit in a locked cell or be in a constant mental and physical battle against butt rape and extortion. Some choice... There's American freedom for you... choose the lesser evil from the all-powerful authority, or be a lazy, complaining sack of shit in the True Believer's eyes.
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Sep 13, 2006 12:39 PM
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Do you really think the gubmint cares what you do to your lungs with marijuana when they're allowing the big corps to fill the air with poison?
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Sep 13, 2006 12:46 PM
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Posted by: redgreenbrown on Sep 13, 2006 1:51 PM
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In South Africa prison labour of all sorts was banned after freedom in 1994. Prisoners are still allowed to vote here, somewhat controversially amongst certain sectors!
I agree this is nothing new in the US but it shows the primitive retributive type of thinking that you guys are locked into by the prison/military/corporate industrial complex.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 13, 2006 5:34 PM
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This does explain why the Repiblicans want to gut public education - an old rule from America's slavery past is that it is illegal to teach the slaves to read and write.
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Posted by: yellow on Sep 14, 2006 12:43 AM
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Prison labor is being employed more and more in the private sector. They are even working in the private construction industry. A few years back in Fond du Lac, a construction laborers local #1086 protested the use of Waupon Prison labor in Wisconsin in an apparent endeavor on the part of big contractors to break the building trades unions. This concern has extended to many parts of the country such as Austin, Texas where in March 2001, a small consumer electronics manufacturing plant closed laying off some 150 employees. It was naturally assumed that the plant was moving to northern Mexico until it was discovered that it quickly resumed operations in Austin at a nearby prison facility. Corporation have found prison labor to be as profitable as cheap third world labor.
It is no accident that the 1980s era legal reforms that made the corporate move toward prison labor feasible, nicely dovetailed with other economic neo-liberalization and globalization measures. These measures contributed, along with many of the other more familiar ones, to the precipitous decline of the old middle class and the rise of the super-rich in America. The post-1980s era history of corrections in the US not only finds a legacy of increased incarceration rates but an increase in efforts to fill the prisons such as three strikes laws and the war on drugs. Incarceration rates seem to proceed along the lines of unemployment rates and often in the opposite direction of decreaseing crime rates! Many of the nation's two million convicts are non-violent. By mid 1998, drug defendants comprised about 60% of the federal prison population, up from 25% in 1980 when the crackdowns began. Further, the use of the active adversizing efforts by the various corrections systems all over the country has increased as have the corporate response. Prisoners make well below the minimum wage that the companies pay after the correctional system deducts about 80% for the support and maintainance of the convict labor force
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» 20,000 out of 250,000? So 8%? Isn't that about the average US unemployment level?
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Posted by: talkville on Sep 15, 2006 2:21 AM
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Posted by: parkerll on Sep 18, 2006 11:12 AM
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"Devastated by war, bewildered by peace, and unprepared to confront the problems of prison management, Southern states sought to alleviate the need for cheap labor, a perceived rise in criminal behavior, and the bankruptcy of their state treasuries. Mancini describes the leasing of convicts to corporations and individuals as a policy that, in addition to reducing prison populations and generating revenues, offered a means of racial subordination and labor discipline."
I am seeing the same rationale for prison labor used today. Corporations exploit people for profit. Period.
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