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Why I Will Boycott on May 1
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On that day, I will join my sister and brother immigrants. I will halt my economic activity. For one day, I will not perform schoolwork and I will not shop. For one day, I will join with thousands of immigrants in calling for an immediate path to citizenship, and saying no to criminalization and guest worker programs.
Some have noted that, historically, one-day boycotts have little lasting economic impact. Consumers simply shop a bit more the day before or the day after. Such criticism is valid of boycotts intended to bring the targeted businesses to their knees. That is not my goal, nor that of the thousands whom I will join.
I do not intend to wreak economic havoc on any business. After all, their economic well-being provides jobs for immigrants. The millions of people who have taken to the streets in recent weeks have done so expressly to protect the ability of immigrant workers to work.
Instead, I will cease my economic activity on May 1 to remind our legislators that this economy functions only because immigrants carry it on their shoulders as workers and consumers.
In addition, I will join the boycott to remind our legislators that they serve me. Their distant debates are my concerns, the concerns of my family, friends, and neighbors. Yes, I am watching the discussion in Washington. And on May 1, I will remind them that I have not stopped paying attention.
In the wake of the recent mass demonstrations, many commentators began referring to immigrants' rights as the new civil rights movement. Let us remember that the original civil rights movement did not start and end with one month of protest.
The civil rights movement consisted of many prolonged battles. While the NAACP used the courts, SNCC took the streets. While preachers utilized the privilege of the podium, they also relied on the moral power of nonviolently confronting injustice in the streets. When college students joined Freedom Summer they did so with the knowledge that their work was only part of a larger, longer struggle.
When engaging in our democratic process requires that we take to the streets, as we have done recently, we must remember that this form of democratic participation requires a longer commitment than pulling a lever in a voting booth.
Recently, French students reminded us that protest remains a critical tool in practicing democracy. When French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin stood before television cameras to reprimand students who protested, he did not realize that the students would not give up. And he surely did not realize that they would be joined by millions of workers across France.
As I write, millions of Nepalese continue to demand democratic reforms. They remain in the streets even while the government brutally represses their efforts.
Last week, members of Congress continued to travel their districts during the congressional recess. As they did, anti-immigrant voices continued to press their demands. When legislators return to Washington, lobbyists will greet them ready to explain their constituencies' take.
Even with the best efforts of prominent national immigrants' rights organizations, labor unions, and countless local activists, those of us who are in this country lawfully and who support dignified immigration reform, do not have the lobbying prowess to match. Moreover, undocumented people, by definition, do not have a ready ear in Congress.
We cannot now abandon our one proven tactic -- protest.
Recently, Republican leaders Bill Frist and Dennis Hastert agreed to remove the worst of the right-wing propositions from the discussion. Gone are the criminalization efforts found in the Sensenbrenner legislation and in Frist's own Senate proposal.
Did the Republican leadership have a change of heart? No. They saw the crowds in Los Angeles, Dallas, Boston, Chicago and countless other cities across the country. They saw us and felt the power of our collective presence.
Our presence in the streets changed the conversation. But our work is not complete. We cannot be satisfied with a proposal for a temporary guest worker program reminiscent of the notorious Bracero Program. From the 1940s to the 1960s, hundreds of thousands of Mexicans traveled north to work in the fields of Texas and California. They were promised the protections of our laws. What they got was an agriculture industry dominated by employers who regularly flouted our nation's laws. Inexpensive laborers became exploited laborers.
The proposed guest worker program threatens to repeat many of the shortcomings of the past. When immigration status is inextricably tied to employment, lawful status is entirely in the hands of the employer. The power to control an immigrant's status is a remarkable threat. Are we to believe that immigrants who seek to exercise their right to join a union or have safe working conditions won't be threatened with unemployment and deportation?
Recent history teaches otherwise. Thousands of workers across the country have been fired for their participation in the recent demonstrations. In Tyler, Texas, Benchmark Manufacturing Inc., a company that assembles air conditioners, fired 22 workers because they participated in a recent immigration rally. Wolverine Packing in Detroit fired 21 workers.
Understandably, several immigrants' rights organizations have tempered their support of protest because of the threat of more firings.
Yet the courage that so many immigrants displayed in exercising their constitutional right to protest is inspiring. As a student, I am privileged to face much less severe consequences. As a result, on May 1, I will participate in the nationwide boycott.
What are the consequences of missing a day of classes? Few, if any. Indeed, as a law student I will surely gain a greater appreciation of our Constitution and our nation's shared aspiration of equal opportunity by standing alongside people much less privileged than I.
A classmate recently commented that it is perhaps unwise for students to leave their classrooms so near the end of the semester. Exams are upon us, he said, so I can't encourage people to walk out of school.
I only need to look at the University of Miami for inspiration. There, six students have joined custodial workers in a hunger strike. The students support the workers' desire to join the heavily immigrant Service Employees International Union.
If those students can sacrifice their health as the semester closes, surely I can take a day off from school to stand in solidarity with immigrants in my own community. An convenience to be sure, but an inconvenience worth bearing.
I will join the boycott because my privilege demands it. I am a citizen of this country, a well-educated man with a love of justice. I must speak now because the people who clean my classrooms might not be able to, because the people who prepare the restaurant dinners I eat might not be able to, because the people about whose lives Congress is debating cannot talk back except through the power of protest.
I will stand with my immigrant sisters and brothers because I recognize and value their contribution to our country. I will join the nationwide boycott because their work makes my privilege possible. I will join because, as the book of Leviticus teaches: "The stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and you shall love him as thyself." (Lev. 19:34).
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 28, 2006 12:37 AM
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NO citizenship for illegals is my view, what's yours?
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Posted by: Just Some Dude on Apr 28, 2006 3:41 AM
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My wife and I just spent the last 2 years working on her immigration....you know...the legal way to immigrate...so I have no sympathy for these people. Go home if you don't like how we treat people who break the law. We don't need any more burger flippers.
Actually we should afford these people the same rights Mexico gives to people entering their country.
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Apr 28, 2006 4:46 AM
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Even if I weren't going to be in the street on May 1st, I would be now just to piss of the portfat-chewing over-priviledged democrats whining about their substandard McMansions and e-coli ridden fast food burgers.
You want quality? Fucking pay for it. You want it cheap? Then you're going to need immigrants. 'Cause your zit faced kids sure as hell aren't going to work for wages that low.
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Posted by: anothername on Apr 28, 2006 5:35 AM
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The problem with illegal immigrants working in construction, aside from the wage undercutting problem, is that they are not going to be bonded or otherwise able to guarantee their work. However, on this matter the old caveat of buyer beware should apply. Property owners should check out references and accountability of any contractor, or recognize the risk of going after a lower bid.
The guest worker program, if implemented, like most of the Bush administrations proposals, would disrupt this country immensely. The evidence overwhelmingly points to the failure of the "just guests" approach in other countries.
The writer of this essay demonstrates the personal pride and intensified passion on the topic that is common of strongly-held beliefs. However, this also is what causes problems with the general public. For example, I find the following comment very arrogant and insulting:
Instead, I will cease my economic activity on May 1 to remind our legislators that this economy functions only because immigrants carry it on their shoulders as workers and consumers.
In cities where housing is over priced and jobs are scarce, many people argue that immigrants are creating an unsustainable demand upon resources that increases taxes and reduces economic activity. Both sides would be correct in stating that immigrants, legal and illegal, both benefit and hurt the economy, but that is still just a part of the overall economy.
Other comments the writer makes in this essay are applicable to most Americans, regardless of how long ago their family members immigrated to this country and land.
In addition, I will join the boycott to remind our legislators that they serve me. Their distant debates are my concerns, the concerns of my family, friends, and neighbors.
Thousands of workers across the country have been fired for their participation in the recent demonstrations.
Thousands of workers across the country have been fired for trying to start unions, for whistleblowing about working conditions or economic improprieties, and for other instances. Just as more people are killed in car crashes than in airplane crashes, the result is the same, it's just the news coverage and attention that changes.
These comments remind me of a woman from Puerto Rico who spoke in a commentary about the Latino community in a particular U.S. city in the 1990s. The woman said she was looking forward to the day when the city belonged to her people. Then, when someone wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper pointing out this little point of contention, the woman, who was prominent in the city, ran around claiming racism and claiming she never said what was stated in a very direct statement.
Finally, there are unspoken words in every discussion about this topic: "illegal" and "Mexican." There is no real clear definition of purpose of the demonstrations in these regards. Are the demonstrations to show how important "illegal Mexican" immigrants are to America? What about all immigrants, regardless of country? Illegal immigration, including the smugglers and kidnappers that reap large financial rewards from promoting it, is not just relevant to Mexicans; it even goes beyond Central and South America.
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Posted by: AmeriPole on Apr 28, 2006 5:40 AM
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Posted by: thebigchuckster on Apr 28, 2006 6:19 AM
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Is a crying shame as the issues you're raising (economic benefit, reduction of discriminationm, cultural diversity, multiculturalism) are just the sorts of things that proponents of a white-australia wish to avoid in any debate.
News Ltd = Fox = no debate?
cheers,
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Apr 28, 2006 6:33 AM
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Unsurprisingly, in the US this was replaced by Labor Day on the second of September. For a while we had Loyalty Day on May 1 but it never really caught on.
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Posted by: fafnir on Apr 28, 2006 7:10 AM
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America opens her arms to welcome immigrants who arrive here fairly. There is no need to protest for rights and privileges for legal immigrants, because they already have them.
Illegals and their "allies", on the other hand, are not entitled to demand anything of Americans.
This is not a Civil Rights issue. Civil Rights are for legal citizens, not illegals. Furthermore, I resent you leveraging the blood and pain of the black Civil Rights movement to sanctify the illegal alien movement.
Dishonestly framing the illegal alien movement as "immigrants rights" doesn't make your cause just nor your struggle righteous.
Instead, obfuscation of the movement's real intent further divides America further by race and class.
America would be better served if the "illegals" movement helped discourage illegal migration and the corporate exploitation of illegal cheap labor.
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Posted by: krose on Apr 28, 2006 8:41 AM
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Posted by: cry0fan on Apr 28, 2006 10:10 AM
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mass immigration, legal and illegal is NOT WANTED by Americans--as the polls show, Americans want LESS immgiration, not more.
Every time an immigrant from a low wage country shows up here in America and competes for a job, that pumps up the supply of labor more than the demand for labor.
And the effects of this ruinous mass immigration can be seen in the want ads. A cashier job pays 4-6 $/hr here in Houston. That is what it paid 10 YEARS AGO!
Why so little? Supply and demand! The mass immigration of third worlders have a ruinous effect -- the supply of unskilled labor is kept higher than the demand.
These pseudoLiberals like the ones that write and report for Alternet and DU and KOS and Mother Jones and The Nation and PBS and NPR hardly EVER mention this aspect of mass immigration. Why? Because the reporters and writers and editors and managers at these media outlets are greedy, ambitious, treasonous wannabe overclassers themselves.
I say jail the illegal immigration and the employers that hire them, and do the same for the treasonous media trash that pump out pro-immigration propaganda.
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Posted by: AmeriPole on Apr 28, 2006 10:10 AM
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Posted by: progressiveguy on Apr 28, 2006 11:26 AM
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And save the Mexican flags, thats turn off as well.
And yes, I am liberal.
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Posted by: ande3 on Apr 28, 2006 11:56 AM
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Posted by: doremi on Apr 28, 2006 12:35 PM
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The demand to act as you will and disregard the laws and borders of a sovereign nation and to set yourself up with a life there and avail yourself of the social, educational & job opportunities without following the rules or conventions that everyone else does is just the ultimate act of hubris, it is mind boggling and beyond comprehension.
So to that I would say "No, usted no puede" and I will be spending my ten dollars to the one you hold out and I will have an American flag on my vehicle with the words 'no, usted no puede'.
No one stands above the law for very long and for you this day is over.
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Apr 28, 2006 1:04 PM
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The people who immigrated to the United States down through history came here to become American citizens, they were happy and proud to come here. They did not selfishly place their own desires, cultures, and nationalism before those of their newly adopted country. They did not claim what wasn't theirs, and they sure as hell wouldn't demand that the rest of us carry their burden along with our own.
No matter how prosperious the U.S. is, was, or will be, it cannot afford the additional burden of supporting people who believe sneaking across its borders should be some sort of entitlement program.
This is the United States of America, George W. Bush has divided us enough, we don't need any extra help.
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Posted by: electriclady281 on Apr 28, 2006 2:34 PM
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The US has never secured its borders, mainly because of the cheap labor that lose borders provide for which no one is responsible. That work force is unprotected and easily abused. We are encouraged to see it as the enemy to confuse and divide us and lessen our ability to see the reality of any situation. The fuits and vegetables you eat have cost people their lives. No Anglo-American picks them. Do you gag when you eat them?
Here's a clue to understanding the low quality of structures today: REAL Americans are the contractors responsible--that's the bottom line--not low-paid laborers of any nationality. This overwhelmingly benefits American contractors and buyers, neither of whom concern themselves with the living conditions or broken bodies of the virtual slaves who make life cheap for them, unless they have the audacity to go to a clinic for their wounds or enroll their American-born children in school.
If you and/or your family members emmigrated or are in process, you may congratulate yourselves for your long wait. Had you or they been desperate enough to come and remain illegally, probably no one would have noticed. The government has no clue who is in this country, what they are doing or why, or where they are, witness Mohammed Atta and others, none of whom crossed a border illegally.
From time to time Americans have cried out against open borders. This is the first serious governmental attempt. But it is still responsible for allowing the situation to exist and is now morally required to find a humane solution for the millions of people desperate to survive that were enticed here by insecure borders and the lure of back-breaking work to make our lives easier and gain for them a paltry sum (but no benefits) that should make one wonder how they survive and share their "wealth" with their less "fortunate" family members. As with Iraq, our government broke it, and now we must own the consequences responsibly.
Steps now being taken against illigal immigration, as with the entire 911/Iraq situation are draconian, inhumane, and immoral and betray no responsibility for the government's role in causing these situations to exist.
I hope that we all learn how to clear the bush and see through the smoke and mirrors tricks that lure us into denial of reality. It is our responsibility to determine what's going on. If you don't like what you find, you may be forced to examine your beliefs or you may find it easier to live in the filth of denial and allow others to define what it means to be an American in their own words and image. You may notice that their description does not fit you. Or you may allow them to distract you by pitting you against one or more of many groups that, with their help, you have been led to see as a threat to your personal life. Drawing a straight, informed line is a basic necessity for a healthy democracy and a healthy life. We currently have neither.
If we all did the work of clearing the bush for ourselves to see reality and responsibility, we'd all have better lives, a government reflective of us and supportive of the need for us all to participate in the benefits of our country's freedom, democracy, and abundance, and a moral right to show off our democracy and call upon other countries to follow our example.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Apr 28, 2006 3:13 PM
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The immigration issue only came about because the Bush regime has failed miserably in both foreign and domestic policy. We are engaged in a disasterous war abroad (and looking to begin a new one, which black American youth will ultimately pay a high price), our economy is in a shambles and has greatly impacted the black middle and lower classes, the misguided war against drugs criminalizes petty amounts while allowing bigger culprits to either attend rehab or receive a slap on the wrist. Prices at the gas pump are out of control and has the greatest negative effect upon the working poor - which is a lot of people of colour.
The Bush regime knows it has failed and therefore is using immigration, the same way they've already used 'family values' and abortion - as wedge issues. We should stand with all working class people and let our leaders know that we are still vigilant and still willing to take it to the streets.
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Posted by: benzene on Apr 28, 2006 4:31 PM
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On a side note, how many here actually think that all of their immigrant ancestors were all legal immigrants?
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» All you fake progressives, listen up!
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» RE: xcellent article! - This is progressive?
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» This is progressive? It is what it is.
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» and one more thing...
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» this is like a study in white arrogance, huh?
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» one white person to another: get your head out of the sand
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Posted by: dwaller on Apr 28, 2006 7:50 PM
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One of this dispicable resolution’s authors is Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles. She should be promptly removed from office for aligning herself with those who are undermining this country as should the others who voted for it. She and her colleagues has chosen to align themselves with those who are trying to undermine the economic stability in this country to force legalization of lawbreakers.
In addition, there is Mr. Cedillo who likes to compare the fight over slavery, womens rights, the Vietnam War and internment of the Japanese. I’d like Mr. Cedillo to explain how there is any valid comparison at all to these events.
I hope the people of California remove these unAmerican representatives immediately. They have no business holding any position of trust.
The people of America are a compassionate people but there is a limit to how much they will take. They expect our lawmakers to enforce our laws and protect our country not assist those who chose to ignore them. There are millions of legal immigrants who have sacrificed and followed the rules and this is an affront to all of them.
There is a great need to control who and how many people come to this country. Without necessary controls, many dangers exist. One very important danger of bypassing our immigration laws is an increase in many diseases, some of them drug resistant. Additional dangers exist in the strain on health care facilities, roads and highways, water & sewer issues, power, educational system and our law enforcement. These are facts quite apparent in the State of California and other border states and it is spreading. Without enforcement of our laws we have anarchy.
The people of California need to take note on Monday of the businesses that cannot provide services because the work crew is in the street protesting. Then continue the boycott of these businesses.
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Posted by: fairleft on Apr 29, 2006 7:43 AM
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What are they celebrating? The triumph of the big corporations, the victory for race-to-the-bottom competition among workers? A funeral march would make a lot more sense.
Solidarity with Cesar Chavez and the UFW, not the illegal scab replacement workers.
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Posted by: mite on Apr 29, 2006 9:10 AM
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Folks why is this issue being amplified by the powers to be? What are they up too? Ask ourselves ever since the Bush's and Mr. Cheny took office think of all the issues presented to us. Yet major issues that affect our RIGHTS and LIBERTY'S, Classifications on papers that hide the truth are being stolen from us. First there was the war against Gangs, then DRUGS, then terriorisum, and now immirgration.
Is it not part of the constitution that there is a freedom of press and speech? Well look at the Patriot Act, Council of Foreign Relations, U.N. Participation Act of 1945, and the Uniting For Peace Resolution of 1950.
This issue is not about immirgration, but CONTROL through COVERT/PSYCHOLOICAL operations to keep us fighting BETWEEN ourselves so Corporations and NWO rulers can succeed in their war against the world populations. Oh! Lets not forget the main weapon they use, Religion, I learned along time ago if you seperate the enemy (Us) and attack seperately you have less problems. Check history folks. If I own a business and have a choice to pay minimum wage or fair wages, which gives me more profit? Two questions I must ask, (1) was the law broke, and (2) if the illegels come from another country, why do they not reform their own country, why do we have to let them change our laws?
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Posted by: drmiller_1999 on Apr 29, 2006 9:48 AM
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http://www.cis.org
has published a study that details the costs of illegal immigration. It may be read here:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html
The chief conclusion: illegal immigrants cost a lot, but legalizing them would cost even more. The reason: the poor education level of most immigrants results in lesser contributions in taxes.
If that is not a rational reason to begin enforcing the immigration laws that are on the books, both border control and employer sanctions, then what is?
I would be interested in other peoples opinions about this and other studies by CIS.
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Apr 29, 2006 10:48 AM
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In closing, I'll point out idealism. Yes ideally we should be a united planet of just people, Earthians, and be allowed to go and do wherever you want and live wherever you want. Ideally it would be nice if I didn't have to get up and go to work everyday at a job I hate. Ideally in a democratic society you should get a president that represents the people and their interests. Ideally you shouldn't have to drop bombs for peace and there is enough food and clothing for everyone. Idealism doesn't exist.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Apr 29, 2006 3:21 PM
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Regarding the NOT-YET immigrated -- that shouldn't be overlooked. Isn't the more important or fundamental priority to help improve Mexico's (or others') economy, so the flight won't be (so) necessary or even desireable? Get V. Fox out, Obrador in, and turn some things around. Repeal NAFTA for gods' sakes!! Think about it, if you were Mexican, and things by some great collective striving were hokey-dokey, would you come to the US? I think not, fellow radicals.
Much as I despise the "conservative" position of keeping folks out, and with a goddarn wall no less, and nasty policies, I have to be a thorn here and say that things will have to change with the flight to the US. The "DREAM" is over, I don't care what you say. The empire's falling, praise the spirits, and with it the dollar. Seems to me that clinging to the greatness of this charade, instead of focusing, NOW, on nurturing freedom everywhere, is a vast mistake.
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Posted by: bedrocklib on Apr 29, 2006 4:54 PM
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Peace.
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» bedrocklib sitting on $$$ in house equity and wants cheap lawnboys and more mass immigration
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Posted by: feller on Apr 29, 2006 6:12 PM
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Go back to Latin America and establish regimes that respect workers. Leave American workers, especially African Americans alone!
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I can barely afford to insure my family, why should I pay for illegal aliens' education and health care?
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Posted by: doremi on Apr 30, 2006 12:43 PM
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My point is if you're gonna bitch about the conditions at home then you have to stop contributing and supporting them. Illegal aliens, IMHO, can't complain and come here and expect us to take care of their freakin' problems when they're adding so much financial support to the regime that they're 'escaping'.
Mexico has great potential but you're just pissing it away and crying foul when there's nothing left. Put your energy and your dreams and your money into making your home country something to be proud of instead of something to escape. That's an effort I'll support, not amnesty nor privileges for law breakers.
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Posted by: SendInTheLawyers on Apr 30, 2006 1:22 PM
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Recently, French students reminded us that protest remains a critical tool in practicing democracy. When French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin stood before television cameras to reprimand students who protested, he did not realize that the students would not give up. And he surely did not realize that they would be joined by millions of workers across France.
That's an ironic choice of supporting example.
Those students were protesting a reform that was designed to improve job prospects for France's unemployed youth underclass. The reform would have made it easier to fire young workers, thereby making hiring them less risky for employers. The students feared the loss of job security, but did not realize that real long-term security comes from a healthy economy and low unemployment.
Similarly, the pro-migrant protestors are favoring a policy that many believe undermines job prospects for America's underclass.
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Posted by: akchang on Apr 30, 2006 5:09 PM
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But let me give you a new frame of reference. The US moved into what's now known as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas without paying for any of it. Just took it from Mexico. So according to them, we're illegally on their land. You may think that's an idiotic way of thinking about it, but the US has yet to acknowledge this historical injustice.
So maybe to them it's ironic that we want indigenous people to carry documents to prove they belong here.
Separately, the issue of worker's rights comes up. Under the Bush proposed guest worker program, people come to the US work for 3 years and then Businesses determine if their status is renewed. Sounds like a recipe for abuse. Punish workers for demanding clean and safe working conditions by rejecting their claim for renewal. A 3 year cycle creates an infinite supply of cheap labor which will work to suppress the salaries and working conditions of everyone in the US.
If the US wants to curb illegal immigration, then they should police corporations instead of the borders. Why put the onus on the people who are here and not the ones who benefit most from it? We always expect corporations to act according to the same moral imperatives we were instilled with as children. But look at how the last 5 years has gone with rampant corporate corruption. Ralph Nader created amovement to force car companies to add simple safety features to save lives.
We may think that seat belts are a no brainer, but there was a time not too long ago when no seat belts were normal and we just accepted the death rates due to car accidents. Today it may be the norm to view these people as illegal immigrants, but that's all under the reference of our current system.
Decide what you will do on May 1st. But remember, you enjoyed this nice weekend because of labor. This is an issue about workers as much as it is an issue about immigration status.
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AND HE WILL WIN, TOO!!!
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Posted by: millscomp81 on May 1, 2006 10:48 AM
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The fact that there is a comparison with the civil rights movement of the '60s is ludicrous. The individuals included in that movement were PROTECTED under the constitution and bill of rights. They were fighting to gain what they deserved. This is not the case for illegal immigrants. These immigrants, not citizens, are demanding that we revise our laws for them. I'm not against immigration....hell, my wife's an immigrant from Turkey. I'm against people breaking the law and then demanding that we give them rights that they don't deserve. What if all the prisoners in the country demanded their rights back?
I say kick the illegals out! Why are we even wasting our time? I believe once you choose to brake the law, you deserve punishment not reward.
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Posted by: SendInTheLawyers on May 1, 2006 1:30 PM
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You (and I) value their contribution, like the contributions of every worker.
But we don't owe them thanks or anything else. They receive pay for their contribution; that is what they came to America for anyway, in most cases. We aren't obligated to give them any rights or priveleges except those that we freely choose to give.
Their contributions are not special or unique, because there are millions of (perhaps over a billion) people around the world who would come here and do the same job, if there were no obstacles.
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Posted by: squattyroo on May 1, 2006 3:10 PM
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I am over 50 years old and have NEVER had a venereal disease. I always watch whom I get in bed with.
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Posted by: fifthworld on May 1, 2006 5:21 PM
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You're blaming "illegals" for not adequately enabling your stinking, pig-headed, unsustainable consumerist American lifestyle.
I turn the finger on YOU.
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Posted by: GITANAJAVA on May 1, 2006 8:12 PM
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Thank you for the eloquent expression of your thoughts and the thoughts so many of us share with you. I agree and I too will stand and I will march and I will boycott. Si, se puede!
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on May 1, 2006 8:28 PM
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I too believe in the cause; yet not in the validity of any of the proposed solutions. I appreciate your stance and statements. However, for me, these are all shortsighted and do no address the authentic issue.
We are a nation, not separate and very unequal. We refuse to see what makes us similar to other nations and instead, focus on our differences.
We want to preserve the dissimilar and discrepancies, while not allowing for full assimilation. For me, this is the crisis.
Americans do not wish to acknowledge or accept the opportunity that the immigration issue offers.
I invite you to read my thoughts and respond to these. I share two recent missives.
IMMIGRATION. WHY WAIL FOR A WALL OR AGITATE ABOUT AMNESTY? ©
IMMIGRATION. INTERTWINING SELF-INTERESTS AND IGNORING INTERDEPENDENCE ©
I look forward to reading your comments on these.
It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
Betsy L. Angert Be-Think
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:18 AM
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In addition to this, these Mexicans and people from other central American countries send their children to our public schools, use our hospitals (using healthcare assistance programs that many people born here cannot obtain) and use our public transit systems and a whole host of other public services they pay nothing into, and that those of us who do have taxes taken out our paychecks pay to finance. In addition to being leeches, these people also do not wish to speak English and even more, they throw Spanish in your face, give unfair preference to their own kind in their business establishments (in cities that all too often look the other way when it comes to small businesses owned, operated and staffed by illegal immigrants) thereby making one feel like a foreigner in his/her own country. (Example, how many have had to repeat themselves when calling in a takeout order, speaking to a delivery-person, gas station attendant, etc. etc.)
Now taking all this into consideration, these people have the audacity to demonstrate in cities all around this country when there is even the suggestion that they gain some legal residential status (green card, or even God-forbid, citizenship). These people want representation without taxation. They want a free ride in this country, and it is their own leaders both here in this country, as well as in their native countries that have emboldened them into the mistaken belief that being an “American” is as easy as simply saying the words “I’m an American” (that’s considering they even want to say that in English).
On the day this was written, May 1, 2006, May Day as it is widely known (a day that is widely celebrated as a day of the worker and worker-rights) these illegal immigrants have hijacked May Day and turned it into a day where they not merely ask to maintain the status quo (a porous border, a joke of an immigration policy and a village-idiot corporate-whore president who’d grant them all amnesty so he can please his corporate friends), they DEMAND that they be allowed to leech off the public tit; and threaten us by supposedly demonstrating how much America needs them. They tie up traffic, close down streets, some businesses close (but not all – they overestimate their economic clout in my opinion because the stock market and America didn’t exactly go *poof* because some Mexicans, Guatemalans, Salvadorians and the like didn’t show up to pick the lettuce, clean the tables and deliver the pizza). They get out into the streets, their children enrolled in public schools that they DO NOT FINANCE AT ALL cut classes (and some teachers go with them) to chant, yell, march, form human chains, sing, give speeches, and wave flags.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:20 AM
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What if anything these demonstrators have shown is just how much of a cash cow they see the US to be, and nothing more than that. They’re not interested in being part of this country, never have and never will. They are brazenly open and downright proud that they are illegal immigrants and openly spit in the face of the law that in damned-near any other country would be far more aggressively enforced than here. It’s as if these people are collectively saying “go ahead, yeah we’re illegal and what are you going to do about it!?”
Then to have people the likes of Jessie Jackson here in New York City speaking, and Senator Hillary Clinton speaking, lending these people support, it’s as if they’re saying “sure you’re illegal, but we don’t care we want that Latino support. Jessie Jackson is misguided, and Hillary is looking for Hispanic support in her all but outright declared run for the 2008 White House. Keep in mind that the majority of the people they were speaking to cannot vote because – hell0 – they’re not citizens in any capacity. Now as for Jessie Jackson: for him or any negro (and yes I’m a VERY PROUD AMERICAN BLACK MAN MYSELF) to let these illegal immigrants believe their misguided and disingenuous cause is the civil rights movement of the 2000’s is an insult to the true Black Civil Rights Movement. African-Americans have been citizens since 1865, contributed to this country not only as cheap labor but FREE labor, fought and died for this country. The key word is that we are LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States. These illegal immigrants are not. They have no status at all, and for them to demand that they continue to milk this country to send our money off to their own little dusty sewer of villages is wrong, against the law and should be stopped.
The left is as well misguided. Though I do agree with some of their positions, it is clear to me that they do not really have a solution or stance on how to deal with illegal immigration. The left goes on and on about how the Bush Administration is breaking the law here and there and they get no argument from me at all. By the same token the left should be as vocal about laws that are being broken on the regular by people illegally crossing the US/Mexican border. They are not because they wish to cast this as a class battle – in keeping with their “Workers of the World Unite” philosophy they want to shape this as a fight where Mexicans, Afro-Americans, poor Whites, etc. can all unite against “the man”.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:22 AM
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Now that I’ve vented my opinion about illegal immigrants, I now propose this solution to the immigration problem and the 12-15 million “problems” in this country. It’s easy to rant and rave about what’s wrong, but it’s another thing to come up with solutions.
As for the 12-15 million current illegal immigrants in this country: track them all down as best as possible by the people they work for. Empower police forces to document their presence as day-laborers waiting for employment and document them (name, age, origin, and photograph – digital photography is a wonderful thing). Empower the IRS to demand that businesses list any and all undocumented workers in their employ, on pain of audit and financial penalty. Have the Census Bureau hire more field workers to document the “invisible” population – those who live below the radar. Build a database of illegal immigrants, and demand they attain some manner or legal citizenship within 5 years or face detainment and/or deportation.
As for the children of immigrants, this is admittedly a harder problem to deal with because current law says that anyone born in the US is a naturalized US citizen, even if their parents are not. The problem is that if you talk about deporting illegal immigrants, families can be split up. The only solution would be to do as I said above and to provide illegal immigrants already here a 5 year window to obtain their citizenship. If for no other reason, providing they have children, they would want to become US citizens for their kid’s sake. I think this is very generous.
Build a wall along the US/Mexican border from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific coast. The wall should be 30 feet tall and 10 feet thick; ringed with barbed wire at the top with watchtowers (with gun mounts) every 2 miles staffed by armed border patrol agents with the latest reliable surveillance and night vision technology and given the permission to use lethal force against anyone who decides they want to rush the border wall. Every 75 miles there would be access gates where anyone who wishes to can enter the US, but only after being processed at the border gate (photographed, fingerprinted and issued a biometric ID card). Their identifications would be placed in a national immigrant database accessible to every law enforcement agency in the country. If any of these immigrants commit any kind of crime no matter how menial within the first 2 years, they will be deported and forbidden to enter the US forever.
Make English the one and only official language of the United States. That means all signage both public and privately owned would have to be in English only; the only exceptions being international airports for the convenience of foreign travelers. Make ESL (English-as-Second-Language) classes mandatory in all public schools and make English instruction mandatory for all who are in the process of attaining US citizenship in addition to US history and government classes. The level of English language proficiency should be no less than that of Grade 7.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:24 AM
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Force American companies and any company or corporation that operates here in the US to hire legal citizens ONLY.
I’m sure that if I really did research this topic I could probably come up with a few other points, but this is written extemporaneously because I had to write out my sentiments after seeing these “Day without Immigrant” demonstrations all day. I am fully confident that I am not by any means the only one who feels this way. I think even some members of the pro-immigration wing themselves realize that 1) their demonstrations didn’t exactly have the desired effect; 2) that the demonstrators and speakers were mainly preaching to the choir (meaning not to those whose minds they’re trying to change) 3) the economic impact of immigrants walking off their jobs was not was powerful as they thought (mainly because many if not all these immigrant workers are expendable and easily replaced) and 5) most importantly – pictures speak volumes – in that the waving of foreign flags (in addition to the bright idea of not only a Spanish-sung US national anthem, but a re-written one too) is BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS and most certainly has backfired on them; to the point that even some within the pro-immigrant community are uneasy about that. In one word: backlash.
If African-Americans experienced a backlash after the Civil Rights Movement of the 50’s and 60’s (and that was for right’s we already had AS LEGAL CITIZENS) you can imagine what the reaction may be to non-citizens who want to milk this country at the detriment of millions of angry and resentful native-born people who cannot find decent or any employment. I can only imagine that all the rabid racists, nationalists, xenophobes, hate groups and the like are sharpening their proverbial swords with these non-citizens squarely in their targeting sights – against people out here flaunting an identity anything other than their idea of “Americana”
In other words, if I feel this way about illegal immigration, imagine what others are thinking. I’m not looking to be on the side of any racist, but the line clearly needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to who can come into this country; and there needs to be a real effort to invest in people born here, and in the services we finance. This would not be a discussion in most other countries because their border controls are FAR stricter than ours – and even the proposals I’ve laid out here.
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 28, 2006 12:37 AM
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NO citizenship for illegals is my view, what's yours?
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» Nobody is talking about amnesty.
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» Ah, the fact-based immigration debate ...
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Posted by: Just Some Dude on Apr 28, 2006 3:41 AM
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My wife and I just spent the last 2 years working on her immigration....you know...the legal way to immigrate...so I have no sympathy for these people. Go home if you don't like how we treat people who break the law. We don't need any more burger flippers.
Actually we should afford these people the same rights Mexico gives to people entering their country.
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Posted by: AlanSmithee on Apr 28, 2006 4:46 AM
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Even if I weren't going to be in the street on May 1st, I would be now just to piss of the portfat-chewing over-priviledged democrats whining about their substandard McMansions and e-coli ridden fast food burgers.
You want quality? Fucking pay for it. You want it cheap? Then you're going to need immigrants. 'Cause your zit faced kids sure as hell aren't going to work for wages that low.
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Posted by: anothername on Apr 28, 2006 5:35 AM
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The problem with illegal immigrants working in construction, aside from the wage undercutting problem, is that they are not going to be bonded or otherwise able to guarantee their work. However, on this matter the old caveat of buyer beware should apply. Property owners should check out references and accountability of any contractor, or recognize the risk of going after a lower bid.
The guest worker program, if implemented, like most of the Bush administrations proposals, would disrupt this country immensely. The evidence overwhelmingly points to the failure of the "just guests" approach in other countries.
The writer of this essay demonstrates the personal pride and intensified passion on the topic that is common of strongly-held beliefs. However, this also is what causes problems with the general public. For example, I find the following comment very arrogant and insulting:
Instead, I will cease my economic activity on May 1 to remind our legislators that this economy functions only because immigrants carry it on their shoulders as workers and consumers.
In cities where housing is over priced and jobs are scarce, many people argue that immigrants are creating an unsustainable demand upon resources that increases taxes and reduces economic activity. Both sides would be correct in stating that immigrants, legal and illegal, both benefit and hurt the economy, but that is still just a part of the overall economy.
Other comments the writer makes in this essay are applicable to most Americans, regardless of how long ago their family members immigrated to this country and land.
In addition, I will join the boycott to remind our legislators that they serve me. Their distant debates are my concerns, the concerns of my family, friends, and neighbors.
Thousands of workers across the country have been fired for their participation in the recent demonstrations.
Thousands of workers across the country have been fired for trying to start unions, for whistleblowing about working conditions or economic improprieties, and for other instances. Just as more people are killed in car crashes than in airplane crashes, the result is the same, it's just the news coverage and attention that changes.
These comments remind me of a woman from Puerto Rico who spoke in a commentary about the Latino community in a particular U.S. city in the 1990s. The woman said she was looking forward to the day when the city belonged to her people. Then, when someone wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper pointing out this little point of contention, the woman, who was prominent in the city, ran around claiming racism and claiming she never said what was stated in a very direct statement.
Finally, there are unspoken words in every discussion about this topic: "illegal" and "Mexican." There is no real clear definition of purpose of the demonstrations in these regards. Are the demonstrations to show how important "illegal Mexican" immigrants are to America? What about all immigrants, regardless of country? Illegal immigration, including the smugglers and kidnappers that reap large financial rewards from promoting it, is not just relevant to Mexicans; it even goes beyond Central and South America.
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Posted by: AmeriPole on Apr 28, 2006 5:40 AM
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Posted by: thebigchuckster on Apr 28, 2006 6:19 AM
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Is a crying shame as the issues you're raising (economic benefit, reduction of discriminationm, cultural diversity, multiculturalism) are just the sorts of things that proponents of a white-australia wish to avoid in any debate.
News Ltd = Fox = no debate?
cheers,
Charles from Oz
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Apr 28, 2006 6:33 AM
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Unsurprisingly, in the US this was replaced by Labor Day on the second of September. For a while we had Loyalty Day on May 1 but it never really caught on.
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Posted by: fafnir on Apr 28, 2006 7:10 AM
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America opens her arms to welcome immigrants who arrive here fairly. There is no need to protest for rights and privileges for legal immigrants, because they already have them.
Illegals and their "allies", on the other hand, are not entitled to demand anything of Americans.
This is not a Civil Rights issue. Civil Rights are for legal citizens, not illegals. Furthermore, I resent you leveraging the blood and pain of the black Civil Rights movement to sanctify the illegal alien movement.
Dishonestly framing the illegal alien movement as "immigrants rights" doesn't make your cause just nor your struggle righteous.
Instead, obfuscation of the movement's real intent further divides America further by race and class.
America would be better served if the "illegals" movement helped discourage illegal migration and the corporate exploitation of illegal cheap labor.
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Posted by: krose on Apr 28, 2006 8:41 AM
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» look at those veins on your forehead...
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Posted by: cry0fan on Apr 28, 2006 10:10 AM
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mass immigration, legal and illegal is NOT WANTED by Americans--as the polls show, Americans want LESS immgiration, not more.
Every time an immigrant from a low wage country shows up here in America and competes for a job, that pumps up the supply of labor more than the demand for labor.
And the effects of this ruinous mass immigration can be seen in the want ads. A cashier job pays 4-6 $/hr here in Houston. That is what it paid 10 YEARS AGO!
Why so little? Supply and demand! The mass immigration of third worlders have a ruinous effect -- the supply of unskilled labor is kept higher than the demand.
These pseudoLiberals like the ones that write and report for Alternet and DU and KOS and Mother Jones and The Nation and PBS and NPR hardly EVER mention this aspect of mass immigration. Why? Because the reporters and writers and editors and managers at these media outlets are greedy, ambitious, treasonous wannabe overclassers themselves.
I say jail the illegal immigration and the employers that hire them, and do the same for the treasonous media trash that pump out pro-immigration propaganda.
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Posted by: AmeriPole on Apr 28, 2006 10:10 AM
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Posted by: progressiveguy on Apr 28, 2006 11:26 AM
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And save the Mexican flags, thats turn off as well.
And yes, I am liberal.
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Posted by: ande3 on Apr 28, 2006 11:56 AM
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Posted by: doremi on Apr 28, 2006 12:35 PM
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The demand to act as you will and disregard the laws and borders of a sovereign nation and to set yourself up with a life there and avail yourself of the social, educational & job opportunities without following the rules or conventions that everyone else does is just the ultimate act of hubris, it is mind boggling and beyond comprehension.
So to that I would say "No, usted no puede" and I will be spending my ten dollars to the one you hold out and I will have an American flag on my vehicle with the words 'no, usted no puede'.
No one stands above the law for very long and for you this day is over.
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Apr 28, 2006 1:04 PM
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The people who immigrated to the United States down through history came here to become American citizens, they were happy and proud to come here. They did not selfishly place their own desires, cultures, and nationalism before those of their newly adopted country. They did not claim what wasn't theirs, and they sure as hell wouldn't demand that the rest of us carry their burden along with our own.
No matter how prosperious the U.S. is, was, or will be, it cannot afford the additional burden of supporting people who believe sneaking across its borders should be some sort of entitlement program.
This is the United States of America, George W. Bush has divided us enough, we don't need any extra help.
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Posted by: electriclady281 on Apr 28, 2006 2:34 PM
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The US has never secured its borders, mainly because of the cheap labor that lose borders provide for which no one is responsible. That work force is unprotected and easily abused. We are encouraged to see it as the enemy to confuse and divide us and lessen our ability to see the reality of any situation. The fuits and vegetables you eat have cost people their lives. No Anglo-American picks them. Do you gag when you eat them?
Here's a clue to understanding the low quality of structures today: REAL Americans are the contractors responsible--that's the bottom line--not low-paid laborers of any nationality. This overwhelmingly benefits American contractors and buyers, neither of whom concern themselves with the living conditions or broken bodies of the virtual slaves who make life cheap for them, unless they have the audacity to go to a clinic for their wounds or enroll their American-born children in school.
If you and/or your family members emmigrated or are in process, you may congratulate yourselves for your long wait. Had you or they been desperate enough to come and remain illegally, probably no one would have noticed. The government has no clue who is in this country, what they are doing or why, or where they are, witness Mohammed Atta and others, none of whom crossed a border illegally.
From time to time Americans have cried out against open borders. This is the first serious governmental attempt. But it is still responsible for allowing the situation to exist and is now morally required to find a humane solution for the millions of people desperate to survive that were enticed here by insecure borders and the lure of back-breaking work to make our lives easier and gain for them a paltry sum (but no benefits) that should make one wonder how they survive and share their "wealth" with their less "fortunate" family members. As with Iraq, our government broke it, and now we must own the consequences responsibly.
Steps now being taken against illigal immigration, as with the entire 911/Iraq situation are draconian, inhumane, and immoral and betray no responsibility for the government's role in causing these situations to exist.
I hope that we all learn how to clear the bush and see through the smoke and mirrors tricks that lure us into denial of reality. It is our responsibility to determine what's going on. If you don't like what you find, you may be forced to examine your beliefs or you may find it easier to live in the filth of denial and allow others to define what it means to be an American in their own words and image. You may notice that their description does not fit you. Or you may allow them to distract you by pitting you against one or more of many groups that, with their help, you have been led to see as a threat to your personal life. Drawing a straight, informed line is a basic necessity for a healthy democracy and a healthy life. We currently have neither.
If we all did the work of clearing the bush for ourselves to see reality and responsibility, we'd all have better lives, a government reflective of us and supportive of the need for us all to participate in the benefits of our country's freedom, democracy, and abundance, and a moral right to show off our democracy and call upon other countries to follow our example.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Apr 28, 2006 3:13 PM
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The immigration issue only came about because the Bush regime has failed miserably in both foreign and domestic policy. We are engaged in a disasterous war abroad (and looking to begin a new one, which black American youth will ultimately pay a high price), our economy is in a shambles and has greatly impacted the black middle and lower classes, the misguided war against drugs criminalizes petty amounts while allowing bigger culprits to either attend rehab or receive a slap on the wrist. Prices at the gas pump are out of control and has the greatest negative effect upon the working poor - which is a lot of people of colour.
The Bush regime knows it has failed and therefore is using immigration, the same way they've already used 'family values' and abortion - as wedge issues. We should stand with all working class people and let our leaders know that we are still vigilant and still willing to take it to the streets.
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On a side note, how many here actually think that all of their immigrant ancestors were all legal immigrants?
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» and one more thing...
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» this is like a study in white arrogance, huh?
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Posted by: dwaller on Apr 28, 2006 7:50 PM
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One of this dispicable resolution’s authors is Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles. She should be promptly removed from office for aligning herself with those who are undermining this country as should the others who voted for it. She and her colleagues has chosen to align themselves with those who are trying to undermine the economic stability in this country to force legalization of lawbreakers.
In addition, there is Mr. Cedillo who likes to compare the fight over slavery, womens rights, the Vietnam War and internment of the Japanese. I’d like Mr. Cedillo to explain how there is any valid comparison at all to these events.
I hope the people of California remove these unAmerican representatives immediately. They have no business holding any position of trust.
The people of America are a compassionate people but there is a limit to how much they will take. They expect our lawmakers to enforce our laws and protect our country not assist those who chose to ignore them. There are millions of legal immigrants who have sacrificed and followed the rules and this is an affront to all of them.
There is a great need to control who and how many people come to this country. Without necessary controls, many dangers exist. One very important danger of bypassing our immigration laws is an increase in many diseases, some of them drug resistant. Additional dangers exist in the strain on health care facilities, roads and highways, water & sewer issues, power, educational system and our law enforcement. These are facts quite apparent in the State of California and other border states and it is spreading. Without enforcement of our laws we have anarchy.
The people of California need to take note on Monday of the businesses that cannot provide services because the work crew is in the street protesting. Then continue the boycott of these businesses.
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Posted by: fairleft on Apr 29, 2006 7:43 AM
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What are they celebrating? The triumph of the big corporations, the victory for race-to-the-bottom competition among workers? A funeral march would make a lot more sense.
Solidarity with Cesar Chavez and the UFW, not the illegal scab replacement workers.
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Posted by: mite on Apr 29, 2006 9:10 AM
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Folks why is this issue being amplified by the powers to be? What are they up too? Ask ourselves ever since the Bush's and Mr. Cheny took office think of all the issues presented to us. Yet major issues that affect our RIGHTS and LIBERTY'S, Classifications on papers that hide the truth are being stolen from us. First there was the war against Gangs, then DRUGS, then terriorisum, and now immirgration.
Is it not part of the constitution that there is a freedom of press and speech? Well look at the Patriot Act, Council of Foreign Relations, U.N. Participation Act of 1945, and the Uniting For Peace Resolution of 1950.
This issue is not about immirgration, but CONTROL through COVERT/PSYCHOLOICAL operations to keep us fighting BETWEEN ourselves so Corporations and NWO rulers can succeed in their war against the world populations. Oh! Lets not forget the main weapon they use, Religion, I learned along time ago if you seperate the enemy (Us) and attack seperately you have less problems. Check history folks. If I own a business and have a choice to pay minimum wage or fair wages, which gives me more profit? Two questions I must ask, (1) was the law broke, and (2) if the illegels come from another country, why do they not reform their own country, why do we have to let them change our laws?
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Posted by: drmiller_1999 on Apr 29, 2006 9:48 AM
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http://www.cis.org
has published a study that details the costs of illegal immigration. It may be read here:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html
The chief conclusion: illegal immigrants cost a lot, but legalizing them would cost even more. The reason: the poor education level of most immigrants results in lesser contributions in taxes.
If that is not a rational reason to begin enforcing the immigration laws that are on the books, both border control and employer sanctions, then what is?
I would be interested in other peoples opinions about this and other studies by CIS.
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Apr 29, 2006 10:48 AM
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In closing, I'll point out idealism. Yes ideally we should be a united planet of just people, Earthians, and be allowed to go and do wherever you want and live wherever you want. Ideally it would be nice if I didn't have to get up and go to work everyday at a job I hate. Ideally in a democratic society you should get a president that represents the people and their interests. Ideally you shouldn't have to drop bombs for peace and there is enough food and clothing for everyone. Idealism doesn't exist.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Apr 29, 2006 3:21 PM
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Regarding the NOT-YET immigrated -- that shouldn't be overlooked. Isn't the more important or fundamental priority to help improve Mexico's (or others') economy, so the flight won't be (so) necessary or even desireable? Get V. Fox out, Obrador in, and turn some things around. Repeal NAFTA for gods' sakes!! Think about it, if you were Mexican, and things by some great collective striving were hokey-dokey, would you come to the US? I think not, fellow radicals.
Much as I despise the "conservative" position of keeping folks out, and with a goddarn wall no less, and nasty policies, I have to be a thorn here and say that things will have to change with the flight to the US. The "DREAM" is over, I don't care what you say. The empire's falling, praise the spirits, and with it the dollar. Seems to me that clinging to the greatness of this charade, instead of focusing, NOW, on nurturing freedom everywhere, is a vast mistake.
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Posted by: bedrocklib on Apr 29, 2006 4:54 PM
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Peace.
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» bedrocklib sitting on $$$ in house equity and wants cheap lawnboys and more mass immigration
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Posted by: feller on Apr 29, 2006 6:12 PM
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Go back to Latin America and establish regimes that respect workers. Leave American workers, especially African Americans alone!
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Posted by: feller on Apr 29, 2006 6:22 PM
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I can barely afford to insure my family, why should I pay for illegal aliens' education and health care?
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Posted by: dlf on Apr 30, 2006 10:34 AM
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Posted by: doremi on Apr 30, 2006 12:43 PM
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My point is if you're gonna bitch about the conditions at home then you have to stop contributing and supporting them. Illegal aliens, IMHO, can't complain and come here and expect us to take care of their freakin' problems when they're adding so much financial support to the regime that they're 'escaping'.
Mexico has great potential but you're just pissing it away and crying foul when there's nothing left. Put your energy and your dreams and your money into making your home country something to be proud of instead of something to escape. That's an effort I'll support, not amnesty nor privileges for law breakers.
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Posted by: SendInTheLawyers on Apr 30, 2006 1:22 PM
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Recently, French students reminded us that protest remains a critical tool in practicing democracy. When French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin stood before television cameras to reprimand students who protested, he did not realize that the students would not give up. And he surely did not realize that they would be joined by millions of workers across France.
That's an ironic choice of supporting example.
Those students were protesting a reform that was designed to improve job prospects for France's unemployed youth underclass. The reform would have made it easier to fire young workers, thereby making hiring them less risky for employers. The students feared the loss of job security, but did not realize that real long-term security comes from a healthy economy and low unemployment.
Similarly, the pro-migrant protestors are favoring a policy that many believe undermines job prospects for America's underclass.
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Posted by: akchang on Apr 30, 2006 5:09 PM
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But let me give you a new frame of reference. The US moved into what's now known as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas without paying for any of it. Just took it from Mexico. So according to them, we're illegally on their land. You may think that's an idiotic way of thinking about it, but the US has yet to acknowledge this historical injustice.
So maybe to them it's ironic that we want indigenous people to carry documents to prove they belong here.
Separately, the issue of worker's rights comes up. Under the Bush proposed guest worker program, people come to the US work for 3 years and then Businesses determine if their status is renewed. Sounds like a recipe for abuse. Punish workers for demanding clean and safe working conditions by rejecting their claim for renewal. A 3 year cycle creates an infinite supply of cheap labor which will work to suppress the salaries and working conditions of everyone in the US.
If the US wants to curb illegal immigration, then they should police corporations instead of the borders. Why put the onus on the people who are here and not the ones who benefit most from it? We always expect corporations to act according to the same moral imperatives we were instilled with as children. But look at how the last 5 years has gone with rampant corporate corruption. Ralph Nader created amovement to force car companies to add simple safety features to save lives.
We may think that seat belts are a no brainer, but there was a time not too long ago when no seat belts were normal and we just accepted the death rates due to car accidents. Today it may be the norm to view these people as illegal immigrants, but that's all under the reference of our current system.
Decide what you will do on May 1st. But remember, you enjoyed this nice weekend because of labor. This is an issue about workers as much as it is an issue about immigration status.
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Posted by: krose on Apr 30, 2006 5:16 PM
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AND HE WILL WIN, TOO!!!
» Try John McCain
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Posted by: millscomp81 on May 1, 2006 10:48 AM
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The fact that there is a comparison with the civil rights movement of the '60s is ludicrous. The individuals included in that movement were PROTECTED under the constitution and bill of rights. They were fighting to gain what they deserved. This is not the case for illegal immigrants. These immigrants, not citizens, are demanding that we revise our laws for them. I'm not against immigration....hell, my wife's an immigrant from Turkey. I'm against people breaking the law and then demanding that we give them rights that they don't deserve. What if all the prisoners in the country demanded their rights back?
I say kick the illegals out! Why are we even wasting our time? I believe once you choose to brake the law, you deserve punishment not reward.
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Posted by: SendInTheLawyers on May 1, 2006 1:30 PM
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You (and I) value their contribution, like the contributions of every worker.
But we don't owe them thanks or anything else. They receive pay for their contribution; that is what they came to America for anyway, in most cases. We aren't obligated to give them any rights or priveleges except those that we freely choose to give.
Their contributions are not special or unique, because there are millions of (perhaps over a billion) people around the world who would come here and do the same job, if there were no obstacles.
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Posted by: squattyroo on May 1, 2006 3:10 PM
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I am over 50 years old and have NEVER had a venereal disease. I always watch whom I get in bed with.
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Posted by: fifthworld on May 1, 2006 5:21 PM
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You're blaming "illegals" for not adequately enabling your stinking, pig-headed, unsustainable consumerist American lifestyle.
I turn the finger on YOU.
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Posted by: GITANAJAVA on May 1, 2006 8:12 PM
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Thank you for the eloquent expression of your thoughts and the thoughts so many of us share with you. I agree and I too will stand and I will march and I will boycott. Si, se puede!
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on May 1, 2006 8:28 PM
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I too believe in the cause; yet not in the validity of any of the proposed solutions. I appreciate your stance and statements. However, for me, these are all shortsighted and do no address the authentic issue.
We are a nation, not separate and very unequal. We refuse to see what makes us similar to other nations and instead, focus on our differences.
We want to preserve the dissimilar and discrepancies, while not allowing for full assimilation. For me, this is the crisis.
Americans do not wish to acknowledge or accept the opportunity that the immigration issue offers.
I invite you to read my thoughts and respond to these. I share two recent missives.
IMMIGRATION. WHY WAIL FOR A WALL OR AGITATE ABOUT AMNESTY? ©
IMMIGRATION. INTERTWINING SELF-INTERESTS AND IGNORING INTERDEPENDENCE ©
I look forward to reading your comments on these.
It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:18 AM
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In addition to this, these Mexicans and people from other central American countries send their children to our public schools, use our hospitals (using healthcare assistance programs that many people born here cannot obtain) and use our public transit systems and a whole host of other public services they pay nothing into, and that those of us who do have taxes taken out our paychecks pay to finance. In addition to being leeches, these people also do not wish to speak English and even more, they throw Spanish in your face, give unfair preference to their own kind in their business establishments (in cities that all too often look the other way when it comes to small businesses owned, operated and staffed by illegal immigrants) thereby making one feel like a foreigner in his/her own country. (Example, how many have had to repeat themselves when calling in a takeout order, speaking to a delivery-person, gas station attendant, etc. etc.)
Now taking all this into consideration, these people have the audacity to demonstrate in cities all around this country when there is even the suggestion that they gain some legal residential status (green card, or even God-forbid, citizenship). These people want representation without taxation. They want a free ride in this country, and it is their own leaders both here in this country, as well as in their native countries that have emboldened them into the mistaken belief that being an “American” is as easy as simply saying the words “I’m an American” (that’s considering they even want to say that in English).
On the day this was written, May 1, 2006, May Day as it is widely known (a day that is widely celebrated as a day of the worker and worker-rights) these illegal immigrants have hijacked May Day and turned it into a day where they not merely ask to maintain the status quo (a porous border, a joke of an immigration policy and a village-idiot corporate-whore president who’d grant them all amnesty so he can please his corporate friends), they DEMAND that they be allowed to leech off the public tit; and threaten us by supposedly demonstrating how much America needs them. They tie up traffic, close down streets, some businesses close (but not all – they overestimate their economic clout in my opinion because the stock market and America didn’t exactly go *poof* because some Mexicans, Guatemalans, Salvadorians and the like didn’t show up to pick the lettuce, clean the tables and deliver the pizza). They get out into the streets, their children enrolled in public schools that they DO NOT FINANCE AT ALL cut classes (and some teachers go with them) to chant, yell, march, form human chains, sing, give speeches, and wave flags.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:20 AM
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What if anything these demonstrators have shown is just how much of a cash cow they see the US to be, and nothing more than that. They’re not interested in being part of this country, never have and never will. They are brazenly open and downright proud that they are illegal immigrants and openly spit in the face of the law that in damned-near any other country would be far more aggressively enforced than here. It’s as if these people are collectively saying “go ahead, yeah we’re illegal and what are you going to do about it!?”
Then to have people the likes of Jessie Jackson here in New York City speaking, and Senator Hillary Clinton speaking, lending these people support, it’s as if they’re saying “sure you’re illegal, but we don’t care we want that Latino support. Jessie Jackson is misguided, and Hillary is looking for Hispanic support in her all but outright declared run for the 2008 White House. Keep in mind that the majority of the people they were speaking to cannot vote because – hell0 – they’re not citizens in any capacity. Now as for Jessie Jackson: for him or any negro (and yes I’m a VERY PROUD AMERICAN BLACK MAN MYSELF) to let these illegal immigrants believe their misguided and disingenuous cause is the civil rights movement of the 2000’s is an insult to the true Black Civil Rights Movement. African-Americans have been citizens since 1865, contributed to this country not only as cheap labor but FREE labor, fought and died for this country. The key word is that we are LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States. These illegal immigrants are not. They have no status at all, and for them to demand that they continue to milk this country to send our money off to their own little dusty sewer of villages is wrong, against the law and should be stopped.
The left is as well misguided. Though I do agree with some of their positions, it is clear to me that they do not really have a solution or stance on how to deal with illegal immigration. The left goes on and on about how the Bush Administration is breaking the law here and there and they get no argument from me at all. By the same token the left should be as vocal about laws that are being broken on the regular by people illegally crossing the US/Mexican border. They are not because they wish to cast this as a class battle – in keeping with their “Workers of the World Unite” philosophy they want to shape this as a fight where Mexicans, Afro-Americans, poor Whites, etc. can all unite against “the man”.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:22 AM
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Now that I’ve vented my opinion about illegal immigrants, I now propose this solution to the immigration problem and the 12-15 million “problems” in this country. It’s easy to rant and rave about what’s wrong, but it’s another thing to come up with solutions.
As for the 12-15 million current illegal immigrants in this country: track them all down as best as possible by the people they work for. Empower police forces to document their presence as day-laborers waiting for employment and document them (name, age, origin, and photograph – digital photography is a wonderful thing). Empower the IRS to demand that businesses list any and all undocumented workers in their employ, on pain of audit and financial penalty. Have the Census Bureau hire more field workers to document the “invisible” population – those who live below the radar. Build a database of illegal immigrants, and demand they attain some manner or legal citizenship within 5 years or face detainment and/or deportation.
As for the children of immigrants, this is admittedly a harder problem to deal with because current law says that anyone born in the US is a naturalized US citizen, even if their parents are not. The problem is that if you talk about deporting illegal immigrants, families can be split up. The only solution would be to do as I said above and to provide illegal immigrants already here a 5 year window to obtain their citizenship. If for no other reason, providing they have children, they would want to become US citizens for their kid’s sake. I think this is very generous.
Build a wall along the US/Mexican border from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific coast. The wall should be 30 feet tall and 10 feet thick; ringed with barbed wire at the top with watchtowers (with gun mounts) every 2 miles staffed by armed border patrol agents with the latest reliable surveillance and night vision technology and given the permission to use lethal force against anyone who decides they want to rush the border wall. Every 75 miles there would be access gates where anyone who wishes to can enter the US, but only after being processed at the border gate (photographed, fingerprinted and issued a biometric ID card). Their identifications would be placed in a national immigrant database accessible to every law enforcement agency in the country. If any of these immigrants commit any kind of crime no matter how menial within the first 2 years, they will be deported and forbidden to enter the US forever.
Make English the one and only official language of the United States. That means all signage both public and privately owned would have to be in English only; the only exceptions being international airports for the convenience of foreign travelers. Make ESL (English-as-Second-Language) classes mandatory in all public schools and make English instruction mandatory for all who are in the process of attaining US citizenship in addition to US history and government classes. The level of English language proficiency should be no less than that of Grade 7.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 3, 2006 10:24 AM
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Force American companies and any company or corporation that operates here in the US to hire legal citizens ONLY.
I’m sure that if I really did research this topic I could probably come up with a few other points, but this is written extemporaneously because I had to write out my sentiments after seeing these “Day without Immigrant” demonstrations all day. I am fully confident that I am not by any means the only one who feels this way. I think even some members of the pro-immigration wing themselves realize that 1) their demonstrations didn’t exactly have the desired effect; 2) that the demonstrators and speakers were mainly preaching to the choir (meaning not to those whose minds they’re trying to change) 3) the economic impact of immigrants walking off their jobs was not was powerful as they thought (mainly because many if not all these immigrant workers are expendable and easily replaced) and 5) most importantly – pictures speak volumes – in that the waving of foreign flags (in addition to the bright idea of not only a Spanish-sung US national anthem, but a re-written one too) is BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS and most certainly has backfired on them; to the point that even some within the pro-immigrant community are uneasy about that. In one word: backlash.
If African-Americans experienced a backlash after the Civil Rights Movement of the 50’s and 60’s (and that was for right’s we already had AS LEGAL CITIZENS) you can imagine what the reaction may be to non-citizens who want to milk this country at the detriment of millions of angry and resentful native-born people who cannot find decent or any employment. I can only imagine that all the rabid racists, nationalists, xenophobes, hate groups and the like are sharpening their proverbial swords with these non-citizens squarely in their targeting sights – against people out here flaunting an identity anything other than their idea of “Americana”
In other words, if I feel this way about illegal immigration, imagine what others are thinking. I’m not looking to be on the side of any racist, but the line clearly needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to who can come into this country; and there needs to be a real effort to invest in people born here, and in the services we finance. This would not be a discussion in most other countries because their border controls are FAR stricter than ours – and even the proposals I’ve laid out here.
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