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Gunning for College
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With casualties in Iraq past the 1,500 mark, military recruiters make many parents uneasy. High schools in California, Wisconsin, Arizona  and elsewhere are placing restrictions on how military recruiters interact with students. “Due to the realities of war, there is less encouragement today from parents, teachers and other influencers to join the military,†admitted the Pentagon’s top recruitment officer, David S. C. Chu, in a classic understatement.
As the Army and Marines continue to fall short of their recruitment targets, military recruiters are ramping up their efforts to reach teenagers. And as the cost of attending college rises, the financial benefits of enlistment in the U.S. military may entice potential recruits.
Certainly, the numbers are clear about the value of college. Without a college education, it is hard to make a good living in America today. Yet the cost of college has priced many young men and women out of the market. It is no accident that military recruiters are out scouring America’s working-class suburbs, offering enlistment bonuses to high school graduates. A promise of college tuition is very enticing to teens whose parents just don’t have much money.
America needs to find ways to guarantee college for everyone—whether they become soldiers or not. College tuition is an expensive up-front investment, and it is getting costlier. Family income and financial aid have not kept pace. And Congress isn’t helping. Instead, it has cut funds for Pell Grants and other aid programs that help people most. The Pell award has dropped from covering 84 percent of the cost of four years of college in 1976 to covering only 39 percent in 2000. This makes a college degree harder for working-class and poor students to obtain and perpetuates an already-growing economic divide
Certainly, many young men and women enlist today out of a patriotic desire to serve their country. But for others, signing up for America’s armed forces may be the only way they see to get the money they need for a college education—and for the future good job it will make possible.
A college diploma offers graduates a distinct lifelong financial advantage. According to the Social Inequality Project of the Russell Sage Foundation, a New York-based philanthropic organization that supports social science research, the average salary for U.S. high school graduates is less than half that for people with bachelors’ degrees.
The gap has been widening. As UCLA economist Tom Kane points out in his essay “College-Going and Inequality†(Social Inequality, Russell Sage Foundation, 2004), the earnings differential between college and high-school graduates more than doubled over the past 20 years. The median income of someone with only a high school degree rose just 16 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars over the same period, compared with more than 45 percent for those with advanced degrees. Just as a high school diploma was what our parents needed to get a job that would pay enough to support a middle-class life for their families, today’s young men and women need a college degree.
Although the demand for a college education has increased as its potential returns have soared, Kane shows that the increase in U.S. college attendance was disproportionately among wealthier individuals. Over the past two decades, the richest quarter of Americans increased their college enrollment by 12 percent, while those at the bottom rose by only 5 percent, expanding an already large enrollment gap .
Meanwhile, most of the increase in post-secondary education among Americans with lower incomes was at two-year community colleges or technical schools. Enrollment rates at four-year colleges, which lead to much higher paying careers, increased by 20 percent for the rich, while for those near the bottom, the rate of four-year college enrollment actually fell from levels a decade earlier.
With these large payoffs from college, the military enlistment bonuses seem like a lifeline for high school graduates who otherwise couldn’t afford to go to college. Yet do we really want a society in which the only way for young men and women to afford the cost of a college education is to agree to risk their lives ?
If we believe in equal opportunity in America, we need to ensure other options. Harvard University and some other Ivy League schools have recently guaranteed tuition for any student they admit, but that won’t help most college hopefuls. We need to ensure that all high school students who qualify for college can go, regardless of their family financial status.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Aug 13, 2005 1:09 AM
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That would seem to mandate that those in power make sure that college is available and affordable for all and that resources were not expended on wars. Just to compete. If so then logic would say that corporations should want a competitive population.
That assumes, of course, that the corporations (which claim people-hood) are really part of the community or at least the nation, the way actual flesh and blood people are.
But corporations don't care. They are totally without souls, without conscience. Their managers and owners only look out for their bank accounts. They don't even look out for the very corporations they are running, prefering to sack and gut them, then divest.
The ceo's and stockholders - those solid citizens - are in good shape financially. They have been constructing a two-part security perimeter of more and more opportunity for themselves (their class) and less and less power/opportunity for everyone else. Making college un-affordable for anyone else is right at the top of the agenda. Remember Reagan and the California Schools in the 70's.
Somehow they convinced the public at large that college education only belonged to the so-called righteous (rich) and that low-cost education was granting un-earned priviledges to the great unwashed (us).
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» The military cannot turn out minds ready to accept the rigors of college
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» The GI Bill DOES NOT provide sufficient funds to attend college.
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» I have noticed you rarely let evidence get in the way of your opinions.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 13, 2005 9:56 AM
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I also see the stories in the paper about how many college grads are unemployed or underemployed. That does not support the previous argument.
Educational institutions have benefitted from the belief that more education means more income. "The Other America" (1960s, yeah, way back then) disagreed with that.
I believe the more education, the better, but for the US. It's still never been an automatic thing. I have found as many a-holes with PhDs as among those lacking GEDs.
The leadership we need is "enough good men/women," and those cannot be cranked out by any kind of system. Our schools train us to be obedient more often than to think for ourselves.
"No simple answers; only simple minds."
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 14, 2005 10:23 AM
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I do not dispute that the US should reward those willing to serve with an adequate package of benefits, but buying a force by dangling goodies in front of 18-year olds is not the answer. The reason the recruiting commands of the services can do this is because our nation has no fair and equitable way to allow people to advance their education without taking on extraordinary debt or hardship during their college years. That is an issue for the society at large, not the DoD.
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Posted by: JesseBC on Aug 14, 2005 5:02 PM
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McDonald's used to be a good first job for high-schoolers who didn't mind working to exhaustion for little pay and who didn't need the benefits. Now the McDonalds I worked at when I first turned 16 and was sooooo proud to have my very first paying job, is staffed by single moms turned off the welfare rolls and, more recently, disgruntled college grads. I guess corporate America decided it not only didn't want to give "hand outs" to welfare moms, it now can't even be bothered to employ them if it can avoid it.
This article implies that a college degree will still guarantee a middle-class lifestyle and the problem is that it's more and more difficult to afford college. That's only half the story and, as a result, I disagree. Not only is college becoming more unaffordable, it WON'T necessarily guarantee you anything more than a job that involves wearing a funny hat and asking, "Would you like fries with that?"
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 16, 2005 4:23 PM
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Our society has it backward: It shouldn't cost a royal fortune to go to school, yet it does: Our universities are ran like businesses, pricing people out of the educational market. And now some families wrest with the cost. They know deep inside the military is not a way to finance a college education.
Before enlisting, people, you better read the fine print. At least in college you know what's going without someone telling you what to do daily. You have little controll over your life while in the service. You're like a cow in a stockyard, herded around from pen to pen.
The best solution is for colleges to change its admissions and let people attend at a lower cost. But that's impossible because colleges are driven by the profit motive and it's also NOT the "American Way".
Until America can make obtaining a college education more affordable AND accessible, the class divide will never close the gaping economic and academic chasm in society.
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Posted by: mymarkx on Aug 16, 2005 9:00 PM
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The children of the rich will continue to prosper as their parents continue to outsource everyone else's jobs.
Nowadays a college diploma isn't always worth the paper it's printed on--nobody should risk their life for one.
Our education industry is a lot like our health care industry. Many people can't afford it at all, and those who can usually find that they're paying a whole lot more for a whole lot less.
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http://www.leavemychildalone.org/
"LEAVE MY CHILD ALONE" — is a short, powerful film revealing the impact of military recruitment in American high schools. Interviewees whose lives have been devastated by aggressive, sophisticated recruiting tactics include Cindy Sheehan (mother of Casey Sheehan, slain in Iraq), Jim Massey (former Army recruiter and Gulf War veteran) and Terra Price (a young recruit).
The film underscores the crucial importance of taking action against aggressive recruiting in our schools, and offers simple steps for those who wish to help their local school districts protect students from unwanted military recruitment.
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Posted by: tryton on Sep 11, 2005 10:52 PM
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Michael J. Mandel in New York. Business Week. New York: Sep 12, 2005., Iss. 3950; pg. 48.
For those of you not resoursefu enough to find it on your own, it says, : The Americans who should be prospering in a knowledge economy -- the college-educated -- are instead taking it on the chin. Real earnings for workers with only a bachelor's degree have fallen for four straight years, for the first time since the 1970s. And the decline -- about 5% since 2000 -- shows no signs of abating.
But that's only one "fact" to dispute. You are whining that one of the only good ways for people to get college money (aside for scholarships for those who actually work hard for something, such as sports, the arts, and academics) is for them to join the military. It is true that an incentive for military service is help paying for college. However there's more to it. Let's educate
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Posted by: tryton on Sep 11, 2005 10:53 PM
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Oh by the way, the military training they did for their jobs? A lot of it is transferable for college credits - this varies based on college. Hell, even boot camp is good for a couple of PE and a history credit.
So it's the government's responsibility to give away money to those who didn't work for it? We already have something like that - it's called WELFARE. We can see how well that works. You despise all the rich kids who didn't have to work for their college money, but you want to make everyone else like them? There goes the character and work ethic of the country, right down the tube. Think about it for once. And a lot of you can't go five minutes without bitching about the stuff the government is messing up. And you want it to take on a NEW role? Because it wasn't spending and trying to manage enough already? Are you nuts?
And by the way, to close this out, I came across the article while doing research for a paper for my college class. This class is for a Bachelor's degree that is being financed by the GI BILL from my six years of service in the Navy operating high tech electrical and power systems. Which also got me the skills for my $47K a year job - not a fortune, but it pays the bills. And military credit transfers shortened a four years degree to two for me.
No I am not a recruiter. Some aspects of military life suck. It is not a free ride. But it is like any other job, you get out what you put in. Bottom line - You want to prove you can handle a college education. Do it the right way - earn it.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Aug 13, 2005 1:09 AM
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That would seem to mandate that those in power make sure that college is available and affordable for all and that resources were not expended on wars. Just to compete. If so then logic would say that corporations should want a competitive population.
That assumes, of course, that the corporations (which claim people-hood) are really part of the community or at least the nation, the way actual flesh and blood people are.
But corporations don't care. They are totally without souls, without conscience. Their managers and owners only look out for their bank accounts. They don't even look out for the very corporations they are running, prefering to sack and gut them, then divest.
The ceo's and stockholders - those solid citizens - are in good shape financially. They have been constructing a two-part security perimeter of more and more opportunity for themselves (their class) and less and less power/opportunity for everyone else. Making college un-affordable for anyone else is right at the top of the agenda. Remember Reagan and the California Schools in the 70's.
Somehow they convinced the public at large that college education only belonged to the so-called righteous (rich) and that low-cost education was granting un-earned priviledges to the great unwashed (us).
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» RE: Class War
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» The government, amazingly, isn't interested in equipping its 'troubled youth'
Posted by: Olympiada
» crackhead economics
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» the far-right always makes demons out of educated leftists
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» RE: College gives you a more liberal mind
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» No.
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» Liberal GEDs
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» Do it on your own. It's difficult, but it can be done.
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» RE: The Public School System Is Turning Out People Too Stupid For College
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» RE: The Public School System Is Turning Out People Too Stupid For College
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» The military cannot turn out minds ready to accept the rigors of college
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» RE: The military cannot turn out minds ready to accept the rigors of college
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» The GI Bill DOES NOT provide sufficient funds to attend college.
Posted by: Siciliana
» I have noticed you rarely let evidence get in the way of your opinions.
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» RE: The Public School System Is Turning Out People Too Stupid For College
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» RE: The Public School System Is Turning Out People Too Stupid For College
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» Lazy because college is a lot of work,
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 13, 2005 9:56 AM
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I also see the stories in the paper about how many college grads are unemployed or underemployed. That does not support the previous argument.
Educational institutions have benefitted from the belief that more education means more income. "The Other America" (1960s, yeah, way back then) disagreed with that.
I believe the more education, the better, but for the US. It's still never been an automatic thing. I have found as many a-holes with PhDs as among those lacking GEDs.
The leadership we need is "enough good men/women," and those cannot be cranked out by any kind of system. Our schools train us to be obedient more often than to think for ourselves.
"No simple answers; only simple minds."
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» Take some time to smell the roses
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» RE: Double messages
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» RE: Double messages
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» The Other America
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Posted by: middlepoint on Aug 13, 2005 10:32 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 14, 2005 10:23 AM
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I do not dispute that the US should reward those willing to serve with an adequate package of benefits, but buying a force by dangling goodies in front of 18-year olds is not the answer. The reason the recruiting commands of the services can do this is because our nation has no fair and equitable way to allow people to advance their education without taking on extraordinary debt or hardship during their college years. That is an issue for the society at large, not the DoD.
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Posted by: JesseBC on Aug 14, 2005 5:02 PM
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McDonald's used to be a good first job for high-schoolers who didn't mind working to exhaustion for little pay and who didn't need the benefits. Now the McDonalds I worked at when I first turned 16 and was sooooo proud to have my very first paying job, is staffed by single moms turned off the welfare rolls and, more recently, disgruntled college grads. I guess corporate America decided it not only didn't want to give "hand outs" to welfare moms, it now can't even be bothered to employ them if it can avoid it.
This article implies that a college degree will still guarantee a middle-class lifestyle and the problem is that it's more and more difficult to afford college. That's only half the story and, as a result, I disagree. Not only is college becoming more unaffordable, it WON'T necessarily guarantee you anything more than a job that involves wearing a funny hat and asking, "Would you like fries with that?"
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Aug 16, 2005 4:23 PM
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Our society has it backward: It shouldn't cost a royal fortune to go to school, yet it does: Our universities are ran like businesses, pricing people out of the educational market. And now some families wrest with the cost. They know deep inside the military is not a way to finance a college education.
Before enlisting, people, you better read the fine print. At least in college you know what's going without someone telling you what to do daily. You have little controll over your life while in the service. You're like a cow in a stockyard, herded around from pen to pen.
The best solution is for colleges to change its admissions and let people attend at a lower cost. But that's impossible because colleges are driven by the profit motive and it's also NOT the "American Way".
Until America can make obtaining a college education more affordable AND accessible, the class divide will never close the gaping economic and academic chasm in society.
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Posted by: mymarkx on Aug 16, 2005 9:00 PM
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The children of the rich will continue to prosper as their parents continue to outsource everyone else's jobs.
Nowadays a college diploma isn't always worth the paper it's printed on--nobody should risk their life for one.
Our education industry is a lot like our health care industry. Many people can't afford it at all, and those who can usually find that they're paying a whole lot more for a whole lot less.
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Posted by: emopaul on Aug 26, 2005 3:59 PM
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http://www.leavemychildalone.org/
"LEAVE MY CHILD ALONE" — is a short, powerful film revealing the impact of military recruitment in American high schools. Interviewees whose lives have been devastated by aggressive, sophisticated recruiting tactics include Cindy Sheehan (mother of Casey Sheehan, slain in Iraq), Jim Massey (former Army recruiter and Gulf War veteran) and Terra Price (a young recruit).
The film underscores the crucial importance of taking action against aggressive recruiting in our schools, and offers simple steps for those who wish to help their local school districts protect students from unwanted military recruitment.
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Posted by: tryton on Sep 11, 2005 10:52 PM
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Michael J. Mandel in New York. Business Week. New York: Sep 12, 2005., Iss. 3950; pg. 48.
For those of you not resoursefu enough to find it on your own, it says, : The Americans who should be prospering in a knowledge economy -- the college-educated -- are instead taking it on the chin. Real earnings for workers with only a bachelor's degree have fallen for four straight years, for the first time since the 1970s. And the decline -- about 5% since 2000 -- shows no signs of abating.
But that's only one "fact" to dispute. You are whining that one of the only good ways for people to get college money (aside for scholarships for those who actually work hard for something, such as sports, the arts, and academics) is for them to join the military. It is true that an incentive for military service is help paying for college. However there's more to it. Let's educate
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Posted by: tryton on Sep 11, 2005 10:53 PM
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Oh by the way, the military training they did for their jobs? A lot of it is transferable for college credits - this varies based on college. Hell, even boot camp is good for a couple of PE and a history credit.
So it's the government's responsibility to give away money to those who didn't work for it? We already have something like that - it's called WELFARE. We can see how well that works. You despise all the rich kids who didn't have to work for their college money, but you want to make everyone else like them? There goes the character and work ethic of the country, right down the tube. Think about it for once. And a lot of you can't go five minutes without bitching about the stuff the government is messing up. And you want it to take on a NEW role? Because it wasn't spending and trying to manage enough already? Are you nuts?
And by the way, to close this out, I came across the article while doing research for a paper for my college class. This class is for a Bachelor's degree that is being financed by the GI BILL from my six years of service in the Navy operating high tech electrical and power systems. Which also got me the skills for my $47K a year job - not a fortune, but it pays the bills. And military credit transfers shortened a four years degree to two for me.
No I am not a recruiter. Some aspects of military life suck. It is not a free ride. But it is like any other job, you get out what you put in. Bottom line - You want to prove you can handle a college education. Do it the right way - earn it.
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