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Bottlemania: How Water Went on Sale and Why We Bought It
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The outrageous success of bottled water, in a country where more than 89 percent of tap water meets or exceeds federal health and safety regulations, regularly wins in blind taste tests against name-brand waters, and costs 240 to 10,000 times less than bottled water, is an unparalleled social phenomenon, one of the greatest marketing coups of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. But why did the marketing work? At least part of the answer, I'm beginning to understand, is that bottled water plays into our ever-growing laziness and impatience.
Americans eat and drink more on the run than ever before. The author Michael Pollan reports that one in three American children eat fast food every single day, and 19 percent of American meals and snacks are eaten in the car. Bottled water fills a perceived need for convenience (convenience without the calories of soda, that is): hydration on the go, with bottles that fit in the palm of the hand, in a briefcase or purse.
According to research conducted by the Container Recycling Institute (CRI), between 1960 and 1970 the average person bought 200 to 250 packaged drinks each year-mostly soda and beer-and many of those were in refillable bottles. When I was growing up, my family drank only from the faucet and from family-size containers. We quenched our thirst, when out and about, with water from public fountains. Either that, or we waited till we got where we were going. On picnics, we might have a big plastic jug of lemonade, homemade. Sure, the grown-ups occasionally bought beer, but the idea of single-serve beverages were considered, by and large, frivolous.
Today, the tap is just as alien to today's youth, who've grown up thinking water comes in bottles, taps aren't for drinking, and fountains equal filth. Kids like having their hands on a personal water bottle, but they have no interest in washing that bottle out, to be reused another day, or otherwise taking responsibility for their waste.
Stores selling water are on every corner, while drinking fountains or restaurants happy to fill a glass for free are increasingly rare. "As refillables were phased out, as technology developed to enable single-serving plastic bottles, and as industry marketing efforts were ramped up," CRI reports, "packaged beverage consumption grew and grew." The success of portable water in the nineties hinged on the mind-set, established in the seventies and eighties, that it was okay to buy-and then toss-single servings of soda while on the go. In 2006, Americans consumed an average of 686 single-serve beverages per person per year; in 2007 we collectively drank fifty billion single-serve bottles of water alone. An entire generation is growing up with the idea that drinking water comes in small plastic bottles. Indeed, committed tap-water drinkers are far more likely to be older than devoted bottled-water drinkers.
Like iPods and cell phones, bottled water is private, portable, and individual. It's factory- sealed and untouched by human hands-a far cry from the public water fountain. (Fiji exploits this subliminal germophobia with its slogan "Untouched by Man," as does a company called Ice Rocks that sells "hygienic ice cubes"-springwater hermetically packaged in disposable plastic.) Somehow, we've become a nation obsessed with hygiene and sterility. Never, outside of an epidemic, have we been more afraid of our own bodies. Supermarkets provide antibacterial wipes for shopping cart handles. Passengers bring their own linens to cover airline pillows. Supermarkets wrap ears of corn in plastic: corn still in its husk! (The downside, besides mountains of waste, is the development of super-resistant bacteria immune to most of the commonly used antibiotics.)
In Consumed: How Markets Corrupt Children, Infantilize Adults, and Swallow Citizens Whole, Benjamin Barber argues that consumer culture has turned adult citizens into children by catering to our narcissistic desires and conditioning us to passionately embrace certain brands and products as a necessary part of our lifestyles. Is it narcissism that pulls people into stores the second they feel thirsty? Or is it a need for emotional succor?
City dwellers walk down the street swigging; they stand in conversation and mark time with discreet sips. You see it in lines at the movies and in cars on the freeway. (But only in the United States, Michael Mascha, the bottled water expert I'd enticed to sample water with me, says. "In Europe, no one walks down the street sucking on a bottle of water. We wait and we have a nice meal.") Surely these people have access to water at the end of their journey and are in no danger of desiccating on the spot. No, this is water bottle as security blanket.
It doesn't take Mascha, author of Fine Waters: A Connoisseur's Guide to the World's Most Distinctive Bottled Waters, long to realize he is walking into the belly of the beast, drinking bottled water with me. On the phone before we met in person, I admitted I knew nothing about "fine waters," let alone the cheap stuff. I consumed none of the 27.6 gallons that the average American drinks annually, and I felt like an ostentatious jerk buying all that fancy stuff for my meeting with Mascha.
I'd never even tasted Poland Spring until my first visit with Tom Brennan [natural resources manager for Nestle Waters North America] in Hollis, Maine. We'd been talking in that company's conference room when plant manager Bill Maples swept in bearing swag for all: eight-ounce bottles of water. I had my own, I said to Maples in what I hoped was a jocular tone, and pulled out my Nalgene, a wide-mouthed bottle made of polycarbonate plastic. I'd filled it that morning from a sink in Yarmouth, Maine, which has excellent water.
Maples handed me a bottle anyway and snapped his open. I unscrewed the blue top of my Nalgene. In this light, and next to the sparklingly transparent Poland Spring bottle, my container looked dull and yellow, like old toenails. The threads in the screw top weren't so clean. Taken aback, I asked myself, "How old is this thing? And when was the last time I sterilized it?" The answers were "About a decade" and "Never."
Still, I wanted to make a point. I wasn't a bottled- water customer. While they drank their company's product, I took a sip of Yarmouth, and the water tasted fine. Or maybe it just tasted like what I was used to.
The truth is, I didn't want to drink Poland Spring because I didn't want to like it. I was almost certain it would taste better than Yarmouth water, which contains chlorine and comes through pipes never visited by a disinfecting pig. But so what? Foie gras tastes better than chopped liver. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy it. I don't need to spoil myself. I don't want to get used to expensive things, especially things that might, if the nuns and greenies are right, disrupt the social and environmental order.
I might have been over-intellectualizing this, but I worried that drinking bottled water would only contribute to an insidious trend. It was becoming normal to pay high prices for things that used to cost little, or nothing. Such as television reception (now we have expensive cable). Or basic telephone service (now we have cell phones). The shifting baseline means that instead of collectively fighting problems-such as bad service or bad quality-we accept them and move on: to the private sector. The city of Baltimore, after fifteen years of trying to remove lead from public schools' water fountains, in 2007 gave up and switched to coolers of bottled water.
The environmental writer Bill McKibben calls this movement away from a sense of common purpose and toward personal enhancement "hyperindividualism." It puts earbuds in our ears and divorces us from communal experience; it builds bigger houses and bigger cars, while it clogs the roads and warms the climate. Hyperindividualism is relatively new, McKibben writes, "but very powerful."
And while having more personal stuff signals strong economic growth, it ain't making us happy, according to some economists and sociologists. In fact, it's increasing social alienation. Hyperindividualism lets those who can afford to opt out-whether from public schools, mass transit, or tap water-to further isolate themselves, in style. A 1985 article in the Financial Times declared that buying bottled water "represents the exercise of private choice in preference to public provision, which can seriously be seen as a good in itself." Why? Because public provision can be inefficient, inadequate, or unhealthy.
I talked to Brennan and Maples for several hours with the Poland Spring bottle in front of me. The men sipped from their containers and I from my Nalgene. Finally, like a dieter sitting in front of a popcorn bowl, I'd had enough: I just had to sample their water. I cracked the top-pop! I liked that sound; everyone did-and took a careful sip. And you know, it really did taste good-round and smooth. But, as I said, it wasn't something I wanted to get used to. I closed the top and set the bottle aside.
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Posted by: roncypert on May 20, 2008 3:00 PM
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I found it somewhat bizarre, given the subject matter of the article, not to mention the stated philosophy of AlterNet, to find the following advertisements at the bottom of the article.
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Posted by: linguist1 on May 21, 2008 5:47 AM
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To be an individual these days is more like saying, 'I fit with this individual group', rather than, 'I am my own individual; no members allowed'. So to join a populous of bottled water drinkers is to abstain from individualism, not the other way around.
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Posted by: socialpsych on May 23, 2008 4:01 AM
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Not only does bottled water feed into consumerist "hyperindividualism;" it is among the most environmentally devastating capitalist projects imaginable. Exporting water out of watersheds so that lazy, identity-compromised people can mindlessly swig water of questionable chemistry from toxic plastic bottles that are themselves poisoning the planet is just plain dumb, if not criminal.
I highly recommend Bottlemania to AlterNet readers.
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Posted by: Ohjin on May 23, 2008 5:21 AM
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On every level the more toxic Global Corporations make the AIR, the WATER and the EARTH. The more profit they can make as they then SELL us what should be every humans birthright. A clean healthy environment to live in.
That any of us stands for it, is testimony to the greatest con ever pulled. And it continues.
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Posted by: xvictor on May 23, 2008 5:35 AM
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Btw, I had never bought bottled water and always felt others who bought them in restaurants or stores are DAMN FOOLS wasting their money!!!! What are they thinking???
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Posted by: lorik on May 23, 2008 5:40 AM
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Posted by: smadaj on May 23, 2008 6:05 AM
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I'm a barefoot in the dirt pro-exposure to germs person. This isn't a sanitary issue; the chemicals in public water are dangerous, in my view (chlorine and fluoride for starters). However, I completely agree that all of this plastic production (which equals resource depletion and pollution) and waste (unbelievable quantities of death-dealing garbage in our landfills and oceans) is totally insane. I have seen several articles attacking bottled water recently, and restaurants that have "gone green" and won't serve it anymore - but, I've not seen anyone hollering that soda and juice production should change. (What's in iced tea that causes the producers of individual iced tea to continue to market it in glass rather than plastic? It can't be concern for the environment, wonder what happens in an iced tea-plastic relationship...)
We used to find fountain sodas everywhere, large coolers with freshly brewed iced tea in restaurants, and juice came in family-sized containers or frozen. I'm not advocating soda, tea, or un-fresh juice, but since it's out there, being consumed, we ought to be considering alternatives for dispensing it in individual plastic bottles when we take on the whole bottled water issue.
(Forget getting into the toxins we are ingesting when we drink from plastic, and the fact that people used to be able to be away from home for three or four hours without having to shove something into their mouths - what's up with that?)
What we really ought to be doing is demanding that the government stop allowing our water to be polluted, with penalties to polluters that are so heavy that it's cheaper not to pollute. And we should stop lowering the bar on what is considered dangerous in our environment, including in our drinking water.
As things stand now, the growing population of poor Americans will receive sub-standard goods, while the dwindling wealthy will get the healthiest of what's left.
Regarding the individualism - it's the same "individualism" as when I was in high school in the 70's, where our school had about a 70% population of "hippies." I was one of them. We talked all the time about the need for self-expression and an environment that accepted individuality. But, boy, if you showed up at school in anything other than the small number of allowable "hippie" outfits, you were a nerd, or a jock, or collegiate. We could only wear Army jackets, blue jeans (faded and preferably torn), tee-shirts with anti-something messages, and gauzy cotton blouses from India. Not a whole lot of individualism going on there - but we didn't quite see that at the time...
I remember in the 80's and early 90's when people - generally snobby women - carried their own bottles of water, and thought they were so smart.
We should have been fighting then to get the government to stop allowing us to be poisoned.
But we never do. We never, ever effectively defend ourselves from corporate America's strangle-hold on our health and well-being, nor the health and well-being of the environment which sustains us. Why, that'd be downright un-Amer'can.
And now, although we are individually still meaningful - to ourselves and those who know us - we are collectively a wide-spreading cancer on the only home we have.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 23, 2008 6:19 AM
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You can have your cachet and drink it too. And no one need know your Dasani water is straight from the municipal tap.
Of course, the irony is their full-price Dasani water may also be from the city tap! So have the last laugh on them
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Posted by: sausage on May 23, 2008 6:46 AM
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This country is just one big Skinner-box and we're all pigeons controlled by the advertising/marketing-industrial complex!
We're conditioned from birth to buy this kind of crap!
"Drink bottled water! It'll make you look sexy and important so you'll get laid a lot more!"
The same idiots who were sold on living in a McMansion fifty miles outside the city where their job is are the same idiots guzzling this shit while they complain about the high price of gasoline! "I can't afford...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle...the price of gas! We'll just have to...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle...cut back on something...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle..."
Well, screw you!
It's like Jimmy Carter said, America deserves government as good as its people. Well, we got what we deserve! Because this nation's citizens are nothing but a bunch of crybaby, cases of arrested adolescence, perpetually trapped in a 16-year-old's fantasy world of status, drugs, sex and superstition (only we call it religion!)
C'mon, jackasses, elect McCain and get it over with! Drive this bus into the ditch!!
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Posted by: ohb0b on May 23, 2008 7:08 AM
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Occasionally (well, frequently, because of the influence of advertising aimed at children) we "had" to have the latest sugar-frosted breakfast cereal.
My mother owuld buy the national brand once, then when the box was empty, she would re-fill it with the store brand. She never told us she was re-filling the box with the cheaper product, and we hardly ever noticed. She did the same thing when my father decided he wanted a more expensive brand of coffee.
My point is, I occasionally buy a small bottle of water; usually wise-cracking to the 7-Eleven clerk that I'm glad cars don't run on water as I fork over a couple bucks for a pint of the most plentiful liquid on earth. The author is right, it is convenience, the container fits into the palm of my hand, stows in a back-pack or brief case, and most importantly, can be re-filled from the tap in my kitchen. That's what my mother would have done.
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Posted by: lil ole me on May 23, 2008 7:16 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 23, 2008 7:40 AM
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No, I don't harbor any notion that it's purer, more sanitary, or more beautiful than what comes out of the tap, post filter.
I don't, however, need to be a "duped" citizen to buy a case of H2O at wholesale and put it in the trunk of my car. There's a market for bottled water: my market, and you are just as welcome to not inhale if that's your choice. It's cheap, and it's extremely convenient to have compared to what I'd find at any so-called "convenience" store.
I do get a kick out of the fact that bottle water is often as expensive as cola/coffee/tea at such roadside pit-stops, but that's not my problem, because I have at least three functioning neurons and an appreciation of what I'm spending money on.
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» It tastes wet when I'm thirsty.
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Posted by: solangel on May 23, 2008 8:38 AM
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As a health care practitioner, I'm grateful to see that my clients are actually drinking water! And the fact that children can have bottled water at schools is a huge gift when it off sets contual doses of lead every time they used to take a drink from a fountain.
I've had to treat many cases of giardia for people who reused the same plastic bottle over and over without cleaning it in between (as the author brings up.)
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Posted by: Badger1492 on May 23, 2008 11:40 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on May 23, 2008 12:17 PM
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Somehow, we've become a nation obsessed with hygiene and sterility. Never, outside of an epidemic, have we been more afraid of our own bodies. Supermarkets provide antibacterial wipes for shopping cart handles. Passengers bring their own linens to cover airline pillows.
Look I hear ya kinda, but....sterility obsession indeed! Reality check for those who don't go to grocery stores (lucky dogs), those cart handles are covered with shite half the time, a microfiber cloth'll usually do fine (we keep on in our pockets because with attention-different kids, there's ALWAYS some kinda mess-makin' goin' on and as a parent I'm ready to bitch-slap senseless the next childless yuppie who moans 'bout my kids and their messes... I'm carrying a frackin' cloth, moron! Just STFU.). Still, a wipe when one forgets the microfiber cloth is a handy thing. Airlines have pillows? Damn, that's what I been missin?! Jeezis, I ride public transit and sit on plastic seats a billion other humans have sat their fat asses on before me... I just hope every time I don't fart too damned much for the next poor sod to use the one I'm parked in. But rich people get pillows for their rides? Shit, that's cool! And I'd probably bring my own fleecy cover for my pillow too. Come to think of it, mebbe I should bring a stadium cushion for the bus.... with my own fleecy cover for it.
When I was growing up, my family drank only from the faucet and from family-size containers. We quenched our thirst, when out and about, with water from public fountains. Either that, or we waited till we got where we were going.
Oh puhleeze, Liz, that's crap. My family picnicked everywhere because we were too poor to eat in restaurants, we had canteens for water. You mean to tell me y'all didn't have canteens? Come on!
The reason there're no fountains and people don't drink from the tap? Ferengi Capitalism-on-crack (biz owning classers don't wanna pay for your thirst because they're greedy, dammit, just want yer money) and perchlorate thanks to Rocketdyne, et al. (hmmm more owning classers making "choices" for the rest of us, init?)
Surely these people have access to water at the end of their journey and are in no danger of desiccating on the spot. No, this is water bottle as security blanket. People in Europe don't have the climate we have in the southwest. If indigenous people carry water and swig on the move, I am gonna too, dammit. Furthermore, if you have ever been to the Meditteranean [sic] parts of Europe, they have always carried water with them and swigged on the go... Misha Mocha or whomever is probably from Sweden or someplace wet.
And, of course it is a "security blanket", Liz, we don't smoke or swig martinis or shots of vodka these days, we sip water, you want us to go back to smokes and booze, fine, I'm all for it since I'm gonna die anyway. Besides when you're well hydrated, poopin's much easier. Years of climbing mountains and a fragged bowel teach that.
Oh if you're Nalgene wide mouth is yellow, listen up chikita, you need to clean it or replace it...now you're drinking some pretty nasty petrochem shit. And if it's those lexan ones, that means you been dishwasherin' it and you're drinking more nasty shit. Time to switch to a Sigg bottle.
That said, if I could be sure a public water fountain had water filtered as much as my Katadyn Mini can provide, I'd use it. But I'd still carry a water bottle and swig in public, especially in front of folk like Liz... she never had a canteen?! I just can't believe that. I think someone's very full of it...
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Posted by: diodd2 on May 23, 2008 12:55 PM
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Sure, they use selfishness to market crap and make us more individualistic, and over the history of America we've evolved from people who sleep in the same beds with their brothers when they're kids, into modern children who all want their own entire bedrooms and separate DVD players for each row of the minivan. Right now, marketers in Minnesota have an ad where two fishing buddies get in a minor tiff and the tagline is "get your own boat."
But the interesting part is that every step of the way to modern social alienation has been paved with market-manipulated POLITENESS TO OTHERS. The examples are many:
WATER: If you don't bring a bottle of water on an outing, and you have to look for a fountain, you will soon be seen as "the unprepared one."
EXERCISE: People don't bike-commute because it's impolite to show up to work sweaty-- meanwhile, "smelly" Europeans bike and walk and are skinnier and use less gas.
HOUSING: Selfish single people live in small apartments in cool urban neighborhoods near parks. It's only when you become older and "responsible" that you buy your own house with a yard, so your kids won't get run over/abducted on the way to the park. You get a bigger house with separate bedrooms so their friends won't tease them, and a big kitchen and Great Room so you can entertain (face it, any kitchen will do when cooking for 4).
Like tribespeople who establish status by giving away big presents, you become a "better host" by cooking everything yourself in a big kitchen and having space for your guests to spread out, rather than having pizza or potluck on the floor like when you were 19. Also, in this system, it is much better not to invite people over at all than to invite them to an inadequate or slightly dirty place.
THE LAWN: You spend more time maintaining the lawn and garden than enjoying it, so you won't bring down the neighborhood.
THE CAR: If you don't have a car, your boss will be mad because how will you get to off-site meetings? If you get a small cheap car, your friends will be cramped and/or have no A/C when you drive them places, and you will have to "impose on" them if you need to move furniture.
THE JOB: Whereas friends sharing is called "imposing" (sharing is only normal between family members), employers demanding stuff is expected. Besides expecting car ownership, they demand more hours. The polite thing is not to rabble-rouse with your coworkers (which puts them at risk and shows a Bad Attitude), but instead to quietly look for another job. Of course, with no collective opposition, eventually the employers can impose even more.
Humans are intrinsically social animals. It's un-American to admit that you care what other people think, but of course, you do. And while you may laugh off the latest ad for some crazy thing you don't need, if everybody starts thinking of you as an unprepared/smelly/cheap person because you didn't buy it, the marketer wins! Convincing us to dislike each other for minor stuff that we didn't use to care about is key.
Americans don't even want half this stuff and all the maintenance that goes with it. They just think if they don't have it nobody will like them! So calling them selfish will just make them feel worse, and if it's a contest between being liked by a few greens and being liked by everybody else, everybody else is gonna win. We have to convince regular Americans to like each other, warts and sweat and all; to not think of sharing as "imposing on," and to not get ruffled over minor quirks.
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Posted by: SOWILO on May 23, 2008 2:24 PM
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in a country where more than 89 percent of tap water meets or exceeds federal health and safety regulations
Does anyone trust the federal health and safety regulations?
I mean seriously.
I live in LA and the tap water is unsafe. On the municipality's webpage, it says that people with low immune systems should not drink the tap water.
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Posted by: artifax on May 23, 2008 2:52 PM
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Parasitic infections are a lot more common in the US than most Americans (including most doctors) realize – thanks to antibiotics and other common meds that destroy our inborne protections to them. Those with immune problems, allergies, asthma, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, colon and digestive problems may all have parasites as a factor. So avoiding potential sources of such organisms is good practice.
So I'd like to see proper regulation of the tap AND the bottle to give us safe water choices. But meanwhile, I'll take my chances with bottled water, since I already know tap water is problematic. I don't know if bottle water has been sterilized, purified or filtered, but that's my hope. The tap sure hasn't been.
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Posted by: fifthworld on May 23, 2008 4:17 PM
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Indeed!
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Posted by: lindamat2001 on May 23, 2008 8:24 PM
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- didn't drink enough water for our health (help to our kidneys)
- drank only sugary sodas since there was nothing else that was portable
- drank water from pipes that contributed lead to the water
and so on.
It was a public health movement that contributed to the popularity of bottled water. This was a good thing!
A few years ago the results of a study indicated that those with new faucets had to RUN the water for 30 seconds to eliminate the lead from water before drinking the tap water. I don't know if more recent studies have been done, but this is one reason a lot of us drink bottled water. Plus - we are eliminating the waste of water from running the tap.
On top of that, there is now possible health problems with drinking from Nalgene bottles!
Get a clue! Why don't you people go after those who drink sugary drinks (sodas, juice, Gatorade), instead of those of us who drink wholesome water? Please note: I have no financial interest in any companies that sell this stuff!
LM
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Posted by: the man with a dog on May 24, 2008 1:45 AM
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Furthermore there is the posing concept. People who are a little unsure of their standing in society tend to grasp a bottle of water to help rid their fears of inferiority.Somewhere along the line they believe it helps their fears. I suppose if it helps them thats OK.If the companies sold bottled fresh air I wonder if the public would fall for that too?I suppose if it were marketed strongly enough it would be another great money spinner for them. All hail to the advertising media.
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Posted by: fizzbincat on May 24, 2008 5:27 AM
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I do buy plain, whatever is cheapest, bottled water from time to time when I'm traveling, why? Simply because I'm thirsty, our water thermos may have run out and I'm sorry, I'm not going to refill it in a dirty bathroom in a rest area or quick shop and I DON'T want a sugar laden or fizzy diet drink, I just want a drink of plain water please!! So I was glad when it first came out but yes people now buy it for the wrong reasons and far too much.
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Posted by: Bucharesti on May 24, 2008 7:03 AM
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Indeed there is a paradigm, or once was an yway, that a bottle of water in hand while standing beside a pristine stream was somehow a complete picture of environmental sensitivity.
Thats whats even more perverse, that packaging of bottled water and imaging is expressly to appeal to the environmentalist types....and frankly until recently with Bis-A and recent scares it DID appeal to them. The shapes of the bottles and the backdrops fro the ads are easy to see and appealing to libs. The comment about McMansions may be true they drink it, but those "enlightened" ones in the urban squaller are sucking it down in FAR greater volumes.
Look to the crusaders of Hollywood, who some actually used to bath in the stuff.
Bottled water like so many other REAL environmental problems coming just magnifies the hypocrisy of the left.
The article is fantastic in my opinion.
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 24, 2008 8:18 AM
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We have no time to eat or drink except on the run?
If our pace does not moderate we will soon be urinating and defecating into devices on our body. (with due respect to patients who medically need these devices)
Dr. Rick Lippin
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http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
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Posted by: blinky7 on May 24, 2008 4:47 PM
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As I recall, we,me, & the rest got enough water to get us thru a hot day of Hang Gliding, plus enough for a spot clean-up, & cooking. We didn't pay a dime.
I have spoken, & so retire from these realms, just wanted to tell my story.
It has been told.
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Posted by: eebanks on May 25, 2008 7:33 AM
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I was happy to find spring water in glass bottles only to find Nestle owned them (Acqua Panna as well as San Pellegrino).
It's all over, Folks. Multinationals 10, Commonpeople 0
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I found it somewhat bizarre, given the subject matter of the article, not to mention the stated philosophy of AlterNet, to find the following advertisements at the bottom of the article.
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Posted by: linguist1 on May 21, 2008 5:47 AM
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To be an individual these days is more like saying, 'I fit with this individual group', rather than, 'I am my own individual; no members allowed'. So to join a populous of bottled water drinkers is to abstain from individualism, not the other way around.
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Posted by: socialpsych on May 23, 2008 4:01 AM
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Not only does bottled water feed into consumerist "hyperindividualism;" it is among the most environmentally devastating capitalist projects imaginable. Exporting water out of watersheds so that lazy, identity-compromised people can mindlessly swig water of questionable chemistry from toxic plastic bottles that are themselves poisoning the planet is just plain dumb, if not criminal.
I highly recommend Bottlemania to AlterNet readers.
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On every level the more toxic Global Corporations make the AIR, the WATER and the EARTH. The more profit they can make as they then SELL us what should be every humans birthright. A clean healthy environment to live in.
That any of us stands for it, is testimony to the greatest con ever pulled. And it continues.
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Posted by: xvictor on May 23, 2008 5:35 AM
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Btw, I had never bought bottled water and always felt others who bought them in restaurants or stores are DAMN FOOLS wasting their money!!!! What are they thinking???
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Posted by: smadaj on May 23, 2008 6:05 AM
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I'm a barefoot in the dirt pro-exposure to germs person. This isn't a sanitary issue; the chemicals in public water are dangerous, in my view (chlorine and fluoride for starters). However, I completely agree that all of this plastic production (which equals resource depletion and pollution) and waste (unbelievable quantities of death-dealing garbage in our landfills and oceans) is totally insane. I have seen several articles attacking bottled water recently, and restaurants that have "gone green" and won't serve it anymore - but, I've not seen anyone hollering that soda and juice production should change. (What's in iced tea that causes the producers of individual iced tea to continue to market it in glass rather than plastic? It can't be concern for the environment, wonder what happens in an iced tea-plastic relationship...)
We used to find fountain sodas everywhere, large coolers with freshly brewed iced tea in restaurants, and juice came in family-sized containers or frozen. I'm not advocating soda, tea, or un-fresh juice, but since it's out there, being consumed, we ought to be considering alternatives for dispensing it in individual plastic bottles when we take on the whole bottled water issue.
(Forget getting into the toxins we are ingesting when we drink from plastic, and the fact that people used to be able to be away from home for three or four hours without having to shove something into their mouths - what's up with that?)
What we really ought to be doing is demanding that the government stop allowing our water to be polluted, with penalties to polluters that are so heavy that it's cheaper not to pollute. And we should stop lowering the bar on what is considered dangerous in our environment, including in our drinking water.
As things stand now, the growing population of poor Americans will receive sub-standard goods, while the dwindling wealthy will get the healthiest of what's left.
Regarding the individualism - it's the same "individualism" as when I was in high school in the 70's, where our school had about a 70% population of "hippies." I was one of them. We talked all the time about the need for self-expression and an environment that accepted individuality. But, boy, if you showed up at school in anything other than the small number of allowable "hippie" outfits, you were a nerd, or a jock, or collegiate. We could only wear Army jackets, blue jeans (faded and preferably torn), tee-shirts with anti-something messages, and gauzy cotton blouses from India. Not a whole lot of individualism going on there - but we didn't quite see that at the time...
I remember in the 80's and early 90's when people - generally snobby women - carried their own bottles of water, and thought they were so smart.
We should have been fighting then to get the government to stop allowing us to be poisoned.
But we never do. We never, ever effectively defend ourselves from corporate America's strangle-hold on our health and well-being, nor the health and well-being of the environment which sustains us. Why, that'd be downright un-Amer'can.
And now, although we are individually still meaningful - to ourselves and those who know us - we are collectively a wide-spreading cancer on the only home we have.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 23, 2008 6:19 AM
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You can have your cachet and drink it too. And no one need know your Dasani water is straight from the municipal tap.
Of course, the irony is their full-price Dasani water may also be from the city tap! So have the last laugh on them
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Posted by: sausage on May 23, 2008 6:46 AM
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This country is just one big Skinner-box and we're all pigeons controlled by the advertising/marketing-industrial complex!
We're conditioned from birth to buy this kind of crap!
"Drink bottled water! It'll make you look sexy and important so you'll get laid a lot more!"
The same idiots who were sold on living in a McMansion fifty miles outside the city where their job is are the same idiots guzzling this shit while they complain about the high price of gasoline! "I can't afford...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle...the price of gas! We'll just have to...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle...cut back on something...gurgle-gurgle-gurgle..."
Well, screw you!
It's like Jimmy Carter said, America deserves government as good as its people. Well, we got what we deserve! Because this nation's citizens are nothing but a bunch of crybaby, cases of arrested adolescence, perpetually trapped in a 16-year-old's fantasy world of status, drugs, sex and superstition (only we call it religion!)
C'mon, jackasses, elect McCain and get it over with! Drive this bus into the ditch!!
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Posted by: ohb0b on May 23, 2008 7:08 AM
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Occasionally (well, frequently, because of the influence of advertising aimed at children) we "had" to have the latest sugar-frosted breakfast cereal.
My mother owuld buy the national brand once, then when the box was empty, she would re-fill it with the store brand. She never told us she was re-filling the box with the cheaper product, and we hardly ever noticed. She did the same thing when my father decided he wanted a more expensive brand of coffee.
My point is, I occasionally buy a small bottle of water; usually wise-cracking to the 7-Eleven clerk that I'm glad cars don't run on water as I fork over a couple bucks for a pint of the most plentiful liquid on earth. The author is right, it is convenience, the container fits into the palm of my hand, stows in a back-pack or brief case, and most importantly, can be re-filled from the tap in my kitchen. That's what my mother would have done.
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No, I don't harbor any notion that it's purer, more sanitary, or more beautiful than what comes out of the tap, post filter.
I don't, however, need to be a "duped" citizen to buy a case of H2O at wholesale and put it in the trunk of my car. There's a market for bottled water: my market, and you are just as welcome to not inhale if that's your choice. It's cheap, and it's extremely convenient to have compared to what I'd find at any so-called "convenience" store.
I do get a kick out of the fact that bottle water is often as expensive as cola/coffee/tea at such roadside pit-stops, but that's not my problem, because I have at least three functioning neurons and an appreciation of what I'm spending money on.
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As a health care practitioner, I'm grateful to see that my clients are actually drinking water! And the fact that children can have bottled water at schools is a huge gift when it off sets contual doses of lead every time they used to take a drink from a fountain.
I've had to treat many cases of giardia for people who reused the same plastic bottle over and over without cleaning it in between (as the author brings up.)
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Somehow, we've become a nation obsessed with hygiene and sterility. Never, outside of an epidemic, have we been more afraid of our own bodies. Supermarkets provide antibacterial wipes for shopping cart handles. Passengers bring their own linens to cover airline pillows.
Look I hear ya kinda, but....sterility obsession indeed! Reality check for those who don't go to grocery stores (lucky dogs), those cart handles are covered with shite half the time, a microfiber cloth'll usually do fine (we keep on in our pockets because with attention-different kids, there's ALWAYS some kinda mess-makin' goin' on and as a parent I'm ready to bitch-slap senseless the next childless yuppie who moans 'bout my kids and their messes... I'm carrying a frackin' cloth, moron! Just STFU.). Still, a wipe when one forgets the microfiber cloth is a handy thing. Airlines have pillows? Damn, that's what I been missin?! Jeezis, I ride public transit and sit on plastic seats a billion other humans have sat their fat asses on before me... I just hope every time I don't fart too damned much for the next poor sod to use the one I'm parked in. But rich people get pillows for their rides? Shit, that's cool! And I'd probably bring my own fleecy cover for my pillow too. Come to think of it, mebbe I should bring a stadium cushion for the bus.... with my own fleecy cover for it.
When I was growing up, my family drank only from the faucet and from family-size containers. We quenched our thirst, when out and about, with water from public fountains. Either that, or we waited till we got where we were going.
Oh puhleeze, Liz, that's crap. My family picnicked everywhere because we were too poor to eat in restaurants, we had canteens for water. You mean to tell me y'all didn't have canteens? Come on!
The reason there're no fountains and people don't drink from the tap? Ferengi Capitalism-on-crack (biz owning classers don't wanna pay for your thirst because they're greedy, dammit, just want yer money) and perchlorate thanks to Rocketdyne, et al. (hmmm more owning classers making "choices" for the rest of us, init?)
Surely these people have access to water at the end of their journey and are in no danger of desiccating on the spot. No, this is water bottle as security blanket. People in Europe don't have the climate we have in the southwest. If indigenous people carry water and swig on the move, I am gonna too, dammit. Furthermore, if you have ever been to the Meditteranean [sic] parts of Europe, they have always carried water with them and swigged on the go... Misha Mocha or whomever is probably from Sweden or someplace wet.
And, of course it is a "security blanket", Liz, we don't smoke or swig martinis or shots of vodka these days, we sip water, you want us to go back to smokes and booze, fine, I'm all for it since I'm gonna die anyway. Besides when you're well hydrated, poopin's much easier. Years of climbing mountains and a fragged bowel teach that.
Oh if you're Nalgene wide mouth is yellow, listen up chikita, you need to clean it or replace it...now you're drinking some pretty nasty petrochem shit. And if it's those lexan ones, that means you been dishwasherin' it and you're drinking more nasty shit. Time to switch to a Sigg bottle.
That said, if I could be sure a public water fountain had water filtered as much as my Katadyn Mini can provide, I'd use it. But I'd still carry a water bottle and swig in public, especially in front of folk like Liz... she never had a canteen?! I just can't believe that. I think someone's very full of it...
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Posted by: diodd2 on May 23, 2008 12:55 PM
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Sure, they use selfishness to market crap and make us more individualistic, and over the history of America we've evolved from people who sleep in the same beds with their brothers when they're kids, into modern children who all want their own entire bedrooms and separate DVD players for each row of the minivan. Right now, marketers in Minnesota have an ad where two fishing buddies get in a minor tiff and the tagline is "get your own boat."
But the interesting part is that every step of the way to modern social alienation has been paved with market-manipulated POLITENESS TO OTHERS. The examples are many:
WATER: If you don't bring a bottle of water on an outing, and you have to look for a fountain, you will soon be seen as "the unprepared one."
EXERCISE: People don't bike-commute because it's impolite to show up to work sweaty-- meanwhile, "smelly" Europeans bike and walk and are skinnier and use less gas.
HOUSING: Selfish single people live in small apartments in cool urban neighborhoods near parks. It's only when you become older and "responsible" that you buy your own house with a yard, so your kids won't get run over/abducted on the way to the park. You get a bigger house with separate bedrooms so their friends won't tease them, and a big kitchen and Great Room so you can entertain (face it, any kitchen will do when cooking for 4).
Like tribespeople who establish status by giving away big presents, you become a "better host" by cooking everything yourself in a big kitchen and having space for your guests to spread out, rather than having pizza or potluck on the floor like when you were 19. Also, in this system, it is much better not to invite people over at all than to invite them to an inadequate or slightly dirty place.
THE LAWN: You spend more time maintaining the lawn and garden than enjoying it, so you won't bring down the neighborhood.
THE CAR: If you don't have a car, your boss will be mad because how will you get to off-site meetings? If you get a small cheap car, your friends will be cramped and/or have no A/C when you drive them places, and you will have to "impose on" them if you need to move furniture.
THE JOB: Whereas friends sharing is called "imposing" (sharing is only normal between family members), employers demanding stuff is expected. Besides expecting car ownership, they demand more hours. The polite thing is not to rabble-rouse with your coworkers (which puts them at risk and shows a Bad Attitude), but instead to quietly look for another job. Of course, with no collective opposition, eventually the employers can impose even more.
Humans are intrinsically social animals. It's un-American to admit that you care what other people think, but of course, you do. And while you may laugh off the latest ad for some crazy thing you don't need, if everybody starts thinking of you as an unprepared/smelly/cheap person because you didn't buy it, the marketer wins! Convincing us to dislike each other for minor stuff that we didn't use to care about is key.
Americans don't even want half this stuff and all the maintenance that goes with it. They just think if they don't have it nobody will like them! So calling them selfish will just make them feel worse, and if it's a contest between being liked by a few greens and being liked by everybody else, everybody else is gonna win. We have to convince regular Americans to like each other, warts and sweat and all; to not think of sharing as "imposing on," and to not get ruffled over minor quirks.
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Posted by: SOWILO on May 23, 2008 2:24 PM
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in a country where more than 89 percent of tap water meets or exceeds federal health and safety regulations
Does anyone trust the federal health and safety regulations?
I mean seriously.
I live in LA and the tap water is unsafe. On the municipality's webpage, it says that people with low immune systems should not drink the tap water.
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Posted by: artifax on May 23, 2008 2:52 PM
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Parasitic infections are a lot more common in the US than most Americans (including most doctors) realize – thanks to antibiotics and other common meds that destroy our inborne protections to them. Those with immune problems, allergies, asthma, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, colon and digestive problems may all have parasites as a factor. So avoiding potential sources of such organisms is good practice.
So I'd like to see proper regulation of the tap AND the bottle to give us safe water choices. But meanwhile, I'll take my chances with bottled water, since I already know tap water is problematic. I don't know if bottle water has been sterilized, purified or filtered, but that's my hope. The tap sure hasn't been.
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Posted by: fifthworld on May 23, 2008 4:17 PM
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Indeed!
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Posted by: sofla100 on May 23, 2008 4:36 PM
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Posted by: lindamat2001 on May 23, 2008 8:24 PM
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- didn't drink enough water for our health (help to our kidneys)
- drank only sugary sodas since there was nothing else that was portable
- drank water from pipes that contributed lead to the water
and so on.
It was a public health movement that contributed to the popularity of bottled water. This was a good thing!
A few years ago the results of a study indicated that those with new faucets had to RUN the water for 30 seconds to eliminate the lead from water before drinking the tap water. I don't know if more recent studies have been done, but this is one reason a lot of us drink bottled water. Plus - we are eliminating the waste of water from running the tap.
On top of that, there is now possible health problems with drinking from Nalgene bottles!
Get a clue! Why don't you people go after those who drink sugary drinks (sodas, juice, Gatorade), instead of those of us who drink wholesome water? Please note: I have no financial interest in any companies that sell this stuff!
LM
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Posted by: sbmckean on May 23, 2008 11:38 PM
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Posted by: the man with a dog on May 24, 2008 1:45 AM
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Furthermore there is the posing concept. People who are a little unsure of their standing in society tend to grasp a bottle of water to help rid their fears of inferiority.Somewhere along the line they believe it helps their fears. I suppose if it helps them thats OK.If the companies sold bottled fresh air I wonder if the public would fall for that too?I suppose if it were marketed strongly enough it would be another great money spinner for them. All hail to the advertising media.
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Posted by: fizzbincat on May 24, 2008 5:27 AM
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I do buy plain, whatever is cheapest, bottled water from time to time when I'm traveling, why? Simply because I'm thirsty, our water thermos may have run out and I'm sorry, I'm not going to refill it in a dirty bathroom in a rest area or quick shop and I DON'T want a sugar laden or fizzy diet drink, I just want a drink of plain water please!! So I was glad when it first came out but yes people now buy it for the wrong reasons and far too much.
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Posted by: Bucharesti on May 24, 2008 7:03 AM
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Indeed there is a paradigm, or once was an yway, that a bottle of water in hand while standing beside a pristine stream was somehow a complete picture of environmental sensitivity.
Thats whats even more perverse, that packaging of bottled water and imaging is expressly to appeal to the environmentalist types....and frankly until recently with Bis-A and recent scares it DID appeal to them. The shapes of the bottles and the backdrops fro the ads are easy to see and appealing to libs. The comment about McMansions may be true they drink it, but those "enlightened" ones in the urban squaller are sucking it down in FAR greater volumes.
Look to the crusaders of Hollywood, who some actually used to bath in the stuff.
Bottled water like so many other REAL environmental problems coming just magnifies the hypocrisy of the left.
The article is fantastic in my opinion.
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 24, 2008 8:18 AM
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We have no time to eat or drink except on the run?
If our pace does not moderate we will soon be urinating and defecating into devices on our body. (with due respect to patients who medically need these devices)
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
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Posted by: blinky7 on May 24, 2008 4:47 PM
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As I recall, we,me, & the rest got enough water to get us thru a hot day of Hang Gliding, plus enough for a spot clean-up, & cooking. We didn't pay a dime.
I have spoken, & so retire from these realms, just wanted to tell my story.
It has been told.
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Posted by: eebanks on May 25, 2008 7:33 AM
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I was happy to find spring water in glass bottles only to find Nestle owned them (Acqua Panna as well as San Pellegrino).
It's all over, Folks. Multinationals 10, Commonpeople 0
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