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Those Who Control Oil and Water Will Control the World
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It was Rudyard Kipling who brought the idea of the Great Game into the public mind in Kim, his cloak-and-dagger novel of espionage and imperial geopolitics in the time of the Raj. Then, the main players were Britain and Russia and the object of the game was control of central Asia's oil. Now, Britain hardly matters and India and China, which were subjugated countries during the last round of the game, have emerged as key players. The struggle is no longer focused mainly on central Asian oil. It stretches from the Persian Gulf to Africa, Latin America, even the polar caps, and it is also a struggle for water and depleting supplies of vital minerals. Above all, global warming is increasing the scarcity of natural resources. The Great Game that is afoot today is more intractable and more dangerous than the last.
The biggest new player in the game is China and it is there that the emerging pattern is clearest. China's rulers have staked everything on economic growth. Without improving living standards, there would be large-scale unrest, which could pose a threat to their power. Moreover, China is in the middle of the largest and fastest move from the countryside to the city in history, a process that cannot be stopped.
There is no alternative to continuing growth, but it comes with deadly side-effects. Overused in industry and agriculture, and under threat from the retreat of the Himalayan glaciers, water is becoming a non-renewable resource. Two-thirds of China's cities face shortages, while deserts are eating up arable land. Breakneck industrialisation is worsening this environmental breakdown, as many more power plants are being built and run on high-polluting coal that accelerates global warming. There is a vicious circle at work here and not only in China. Because ongoing growth requires massive inputs of energy and minerals, Chinese companies are scouring the world for supplies. The result is unstoppable rising demand for resources that are unalterably finite.
Although oil reserves may not have peaked in any literal sense, the days when conventional oil was cheap have gone forever. Countries are reacting by trying to secure the remaining reserves, not least those that are being opened up by climate change. Canada is building bases to counter Russian claims on the melting Arctic icecap, parts of which are also claimed by Norway, Denmark and the US. Britain is staking out claims on areas around the South Pole.
The scramble for energy is shaping many of the conflicts we can expect in the present century. The danger is not just another oil shock that impacts on industrial production, but a threat of famine. Without a drip feed of petroleum to highly mechanised farms, many of the food shelves in the supermarkets would be empty. Far from the world weaning itself off oil, it is more addicted to the stuff than ever. It is hardly surprising that powerful states are gearing up to seize their share.
This new round of the Great Game did not start yesterday. It began with the last big conflict of the 20th century, which was an oil war and nothing else. No one pretended the first Gulf War was fought to combat terrorism or spread democracy. As George Bush Snr and John Major admitted at the time, it was aimed at securing global oil supplies, pure and simple. Despite the denials of a less honest generation of politicians, there can be no doubt that controlling the country's oil was one of the objectives of the later invasion of Iraq.
Oil remains at the heart of the game and, if anything, it is even more important than before. With their complex logistics and heavy reliance on air power, high-tech armies are extremely energy-intensive. According to a Pentagon report, the amount of petroleum needed for each soldier each day increased four times between the Second World War and the Gulf War and quadrupled again when the US invaded Iraq. Recent estimates suggest the amount used per soldier has jumped again in the five years since the invasion.
Whereas Western countries dominated the last round of the Great Game, this time they rely on increasingly self-assertive producer countries. Mr Putin's well-honed contempt for world opinion might grate on European ears, but Europe is heavily dependent on his energy. Hugo Chávez might be an object of hate for George W Bush, but Venezuela still supplies around 10 per cent of America's imported oil. President Ahmadinejad is seen by some as the devil incarnate, but with oil at more than a $100 a barrel, any Western attempt to topple him would be horrendously risky.
While Western power declines, the rising powers are at odds with each other. China and India are rivals for oil and natural gas in central Asia. Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia have clashed over underwater oil reserves in the South China Sea. Saudi Arabia and Iran are rivals in the Gulf, while Iran and Turkey are eyeing Iraq. Greater international co-operation seems the obvious solution, but the reality is that as the resources crunch bites more deeply, the world is becoming steadily more fragmented and divided.
We are a long way from the fantasy world of only a decade ago, when fashionable gurus were talking sagely of the knowledge economy. Then, we were told material resources did not matter any more -- it was ideas that drove economic development. The business cycle had been left behind and an era of endless growth had arrived. Actually, the knowledge economy was an illusion created by cheap oil and cheap money and everlasting booms always end in tears. This is not the end of the world or of global capitalism, just history as usual.
What is different this time is climate change. Rising sea levels reduce food and fresh-water supplies, which may trigger large-scale movements of refugees from Africa and Asia into Europe. Global warming threatens energy supplies. As the fossil fuels of the past become more expensive, others, such as tar sands, are becoming more economically viable, but these alternative fuels are also dirtier than conventional oil.
In this round of the Great Game, energy shortage and global warming are reinforcing each another. The result can only be a growing risk of conflict. There were around 1.65 billion people in the world when the last round was played out. At the start of the 21st century, there are four times as many, struggling to secure their future in a world being changed out of recognition by climate change. It would be wise to plan for some more of history's rhymes.
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Posted by: aouie01 on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 AM
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 7, 2008 2:23 AM
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The assaults on Latin America, once again beginning; the assault on Africa, never really ended. The US led IMF WTO assault on just about every majority-world country in raiding state assets and resources and privatizing them all (which include land, water, air-space, and mineral holdings) in this rapidly progressing Wasteland called Earth simply cannot either ecologically, economically or humanly continue under this thoroughly ideologized blob-word called 'growth'. Alternatives exist, just as several different meanings and senses are available when referring to 'growth'; and lest we forget: sometimes allowing the atrophy of certain things and ways of thinking can do marvels for saner 'games' as well as for sanity.
Let's not forget: The Club for Growth is a VERY exclusive one.
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Posted by: drfun on Apr 7, 2008 2:59 AM
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The U.S. has been boasting about free enterprise and free markets, but when no-one wants the $ anymore America cries foul.
It's a cruel world out there and the U.S. deserves what is about to have inflicted upon it, with all the mis-guided imperialistic cockamamie shenanigans past administrations have done throughout the world.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Apr 7, 2008 4:21 AM
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[www.liftport.com] and in Spacedev [www.spacedev.com], which was intended to
be an asteroid mining company.
Our solar system as a whole can support at least 10 times as many of us as the
earth alone can. It is just that at least 90% of them have to be someplace other
that Earth. As soon as we invent a way to make carbon nanotubes both long and
strong, we will be able to build the space elevator. A space elevator is like a
vertical railroad. Once we have space elevators, we can spread out into wide open
Space. The only sources of energy out there are solar and nuclear. Solar doesn't
work when you get as far from the sun as Jupiter is.
The Club of Romeand Thomas Malthus are "inside the 'box'", or
stuck on earth, thinkers. See http://www.liftport.com. The Space Elevator will
allow us to move into space in a big way. We might have to have a rule like: "If
you want to have more than one child, you have to move to Mars first". We need
colonies in space as a hedge against disasters on earth, such as giant asteroid
impacts, ecological collapse, super-wars, etc. anyway.
Space and the resources in space may as well be infinite. The sun always shines
on structures orbiting the sun. There are billions of other solar systems in this
galaxy alone that we could inhabit or infect. Let's have a positive attitude and
some creativity!
Space, the high and infinite frontier, is a new frontier and we HAVE to go there.
We can expand almost forever, or at least for millions of years, if we colonize our
whole galaxy. There is no moral dilemma and no environmental dilemma in
expanding into space. Take a look at the "Cosmological Forecast" at
jetpress.org/volume12/CosmologicalForecast.htm.
According to the Cosmological Forecast, for every century we delay the onset of
Galactic colonization, there will be 5 times 10 exponent 46 fewer human lifetimes
between now and the time the galaxy dies. That is 5 followed by 46 "0"s. Our
population explosion may be allowed to continue as long as it happens in space,
not on earth. [If we build a Dyson Sphere, the multiple for the solar system alone
is much larger.] Once we have filled the solar system, we can move on to the
Centauri Cluster. We should even take enough people off of the earth to reduce
the population of earth. Note that evolution will occur. Space is a harsh place
where stupidity will be rewarded with instant death.
Check out http://lifeboat.com. Some of us are working on surviving in space
while the rest of you undergo your ecological disaster. We can repopulate earth
much later.
We have to colonize space for another reason. In only 33,000 years, Proxima
Centauri, a red dwarf star, will enter our Oort Cloud, causing a period of "Heavy
Bombardment." Earth will be struck by giant impactors like the one that killed the
dinosaurs unless we humans are out there preventing it. We are the only possible
defenders Mother Earth can hope for. We have to do it.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Apr 7, 2008 4:50 AM
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environmentalists. Alternet has accomplished nothing
because the merchants have such huge influence.
Just try to make a speech on global warming or limiting
growth to the "Chamber of Commerce."
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Posted by: kazz on Apr 7, 2008 5:02 AM
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What a deeply entrenched and thoroughly bogus paradigm our current economic structures have become. It is a fact that only a very few truly benefit (materially) from these systems, while the rest of us spend our lives propping them up.
It is also a fact that continued growth, far from being our only means of survival, will actually be the death of us if left unchecked!
All humans need to survive is food, shelter, water, clothing and love/company/community. These we can provide for ourselves easily enough, as individuals and in small groups, whilst maintaining the soils capacity to grow food and other materials to provide our energy needs.
The problem is that we have bee herded into cities where we are force to participate in the current economic structures, mostly without even giving it a second, or even first, thought. Our agriculture has been intensified and mechanised, resulting in soil depletion, (not to mention the unimaginable cruelty inflicted on live-stock in factory farms) in order to keep the cities fed, in order to keep the waged in place ripe to be exploited for the benefit of those few who actually gain from this system!
Unsurprisingly, the alternative to this planet killing, dehumanising madness, is simple, yet seemingly impossible.
Stop.
Apply the breaks, and rethink your needs and how you can meet them without destroying the resources that our survival ultimately depends on.
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Our world is becoming increasingly over populated and the resources we need as humans to survive are depleting ever so rapidly.
If you put too many rats in a cage without enough food and water for all, the rats will eventually start killing each other off in order to get the food and water. It is simply "survival" As sophisticated compassionate and educated as we humans think we are when it comes down to living or dying we will do whatever we have to in order to survive. It is simply one of the laws of nature.
The world is rapidly changing around us and we are in panick mode. The sad thing is that we cannot as human beings seem to get together and work on ways to keep this planet working for all of us. We are not driven by a compassion to make it good for all. Instead we are driven by power and greed. That has been the downfall of humans time and time again over the course of our existence.
The last 8 years we have been ruled in this country by an administration hell bent on grabbing as much power and control as possible at ANY expense which could be seen again as simply a law of nature (survival) The problem is that the driving force behind this administration is not simply one of survival for itself or it's peoples it is driven by greed. We are not in Iraq fighting just to get our share of thier oil so that our people can survive. We are there fighting to make money and that money is being made by the people driving the bus in this country so that they can have more/ ultimate power and control over everything and everybody. They are using our tax dollars and our childrens tax dollars to fund thier ambitions for ultimate power and control.
The obscene amounts of money they are making is not being used in this country to make life as good as possible for it's people, rather it is being hoarded and used to make themselves even more powerful so that they have the ultimate control over all that they so desperately want.
We are on a path to self destruction and sadly it is too late to do anything about it in my opinion. Thunder Dome here we come!!!
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That we are even thinking in terms of conflict for the last of our resources displays limited thinking on the part of our "leadership". The truth is that we, this planet, is surrounded by massive amounts of all the resources we could ever use. Space and the asteroids around us will turn us from resource poor to resource unlimited if we can solve the problem of cheaper access to space. This is why, even though I am a space enthusiast, I believe our presidents plan to take us to Mars is ridiculous and ignorant. NASA needs to have it's entire budget dedicated to building cheaper access to space and the infrastructure our companies will need to make space profitable.
There are so many economic reasons for us to be in space that I cannot do a good job in this post. However, the best website I have ever seen that deals with the economics of space explains it better. That site is www.permanent.com and is well worth the time spent reading every page of it. I spent weeks studying it when I found it and I wholeheartedly agree with the website author.
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Sunlight falling on the Earth is an incredibly abundant energy source - it just has to be tapped. The equatorial regions have the highest inputs of solar - 1000 watts/ square meter. These regions are now called "The Third World" but they will be the energy powerhouse regions of the future.
Solar photovoltaics, storage batteries and solar hot water heaters can provide all the energy needed for individual homes. A lot of people live off-the-grid already, and as solar gets more efficient, you can expect a doubling of the electrical output from a set of solar panels.
More northerly regions will rely heavily on wind power, which is also an abundant and largely untapped energy source. Already, old oil drilling rigs are being converted to gigantic floating offshore wind power generators.
So, If you add on wind power and a better electricity grid, you can move beyond renewable powered homes to renewable powered communities and cities. They're already building them in Germany. You can then use electric cars with clean power generation sources for transportation.
Still, cities and communities rely on agriculture to survive - and industrial agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels, but fossil fuel free, organic, solar-wind powered agriculture works just as well. That's right - we can make agricultural production completely fossil free - and then we can start talking about sustainable biofuel development.
It’s basically rebuilding civilization with renewable energy technology. Get agriculture off fossil fuels and develop robust clean energy technology and you can start doing things like making steel and cement with renewable energy as well.
With this kind of strategy, there is no need for coal, no need for imported oil, no need for imported natural gas, and no need for nuclear power expansion (a real disaster in waiting). The truth is that we could already be running everything on energy-efficient renewables, but for the deliberate interventions of the fossil fuel and electric utility cartels and their networked monopolistic shareholder institutions, aka “banks” and "funds".
If we could just get all the U.S. pension funds to drop all their fossil fuel investments and put that money into renewables instead. . .
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Think of us as an auto-immune disease, more than a cancer.
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space station we have now does not count because it relies on
supplies from earth. We really need self-sustaining colonies for
the LifeBoat plan to work. That could be a city-size space station
in its own orbit. A colony could be an airtight space station-like
structure on or underground in Mars or the moon or an asteroid.
A colony could mean Mars modified to be like Earth. See "New
Earths" by Jim Oberg. Terraforming modifies the climate and
atmosphere of another planet to allow earth-life to live there in the
open. Anything in between also counts. The self-sustaining
colony has to be just big enough to survive without contact with
earth and has to have enough people to breed more people. In
other words, it has to have at least 1 woman and stored sperms.
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Global Water Crisis
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Dr. Brad Edwards.
LiftPort is looking for scientists who have a process
for making carbon nanotubes or diamond nanowires
that are both long and strong. Weakening as length
[of carbon nanotubes] increases is holding up the
space elevator. The strength and weight of the
elevator cable are crucial.
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The assaults on Latin America, once again beginning; the assault on Africa, never really ended. The US led IMF WTO assault on just about every majority-world country in raiding state assets and resources and privatizing them all (which include land, water, air-space, and mineral holdings) in this rapidly progressing Wasteland called Earth simply cannot either ecologically, economically or humanly continue under this thoroughly ideologized blob-word called 'growth'. Alternatives exist, just as several different meanings and senses are available when referring to 'growth'; and lest we forget: sometimes allowing the atrophy of certain things and ways of thinking can do marvels for saner 'games' as well as for sanity.
Let's not forget: The Club for Growth is a VERY exclusive one.
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The U.S. has been boasting about free enterprise and free markets, but when no-one wants the $ anymore America cries foul.
It's a cruel world out there and the U.S. deserves what is about to have inflicted upon it, with all the mis-guided imperialistic cockamamie shenanigans past administrations have done throughout the world.
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[www.liftport.com] and in Spacedev [www.spacedev.com], which was intended to
be an asteroid mining company.
Our solar system as a whole can support at least 10 times as many of us as the
earth alone can. It is just that at least 90% of them have to be someplace other
that Earth. As soon as we invent a way to make carbon nanotubes both long and
strong, we will be able to build the space elevator. A space elevator is like a
vertical railroad. Once we have space elevators, we can spread out into wide open
Space. The only sources of energy out there are solar and nuclear. Solar doesn't
work when you get as far from the sun as Jupiter is.
The Club of Romeand Thomas Malthus are "inside the 'box'", or
stuck on earth, thinkers. See http://www.liftport.com. The Space Elevator will
allow us to move into space in a big way. We might have to have a rule like: "If
you want to have more than one child, you have to move to Mars first". We need
colonies in space as a hedge against disasters on earth, such as giant asteroid
impacts, ecological collapse, super-wars, etc. anyway.
Space and the resources in space may as well be infinite. The sun always shines
on structures orbiting the sun. There are billions of other solar systems in this
galaxy alone that we could inhabit or infect. Let's have a positive attitude and
some creativity!
Space, the high and infinite frontier, is a new frontier and we HAVE to go there.
We can expand almost forever, or at least for millions of years, if we colonize our
whole galaxy. There is no moral dilemma and no environmental dilemma in
expanding into space. Take a look at the "Cosmological Forecast" at
jetpress.org/volume12/CosmologicalForecast.htm.
According to the Cosmological Forecast, for every century we delay the onset of
Galactic colonization, there will be 5 times 10 exponent 46 fewer human lifetimes
between now and the time the galaxy dies. That is 5 followed by 46 "0"s. Our
population explosion may be allowed to continue as long as it happens in space,
not on earth. [If we build a Dyson Sphere, the multiple for the solar system alone
is much larger.] Once we have filled the solar system, we can move on to the
Centauri Cluster. We should even take enough people off of the earth to reduce
the population of earth. Note that evolution will occur. Space is a harsh place
where stupidity will be rewarded with instant death.
Check out http://lifeboat.com. Some of us are working on surviving in space
while the rest of you undergo your ecological disaster. We can repopulate earth
much later.
We have to colonize space for another reason. In only 33,000 years, Proxima
Centauri, a red dwarf star, will enter our Oort Cloud, causing a period of "Heavy
Bombardment." Earth will be struck by giant impactors like the one that killed the
dinosaurs unless we humans are out there preventing it. We are the only possible
defenders Mother Earth can hope for. We have to do it.
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environmentalists. Alternet has accomplished nothing
because the merchants have such huge influence.
Just try to make a speech on global warming or limiting
growth to the "Chamber of Commerce."
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Posted by: kazz on Apr 7, 2008 5:02 AM
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What a deeply entrenched and thoroughly bogus paradigm our current economic structures have become. It is a fact that only a very few truly benefit (materially) from these systems, while the rest of us spend our lives propping them up.
It is also a fact that continued growth, far from being our only means of survival, will actually be the death of us if left unchecked!
All humans need to survive is food, shelter, water, clothing and love/company/community. These we can provide for ourselves easily enough, as individuals and in small groups, whilst maintaining the soils capacity to grow food and other materials to provide our energy needs.
The problem is that we have bee herded into cities where we are force to participate in the current economic structures, mostly without even giving it a second, or even first, thought. Our agriculture has been intensified and mechanised, resulting in soil depletion, (not to mention the unimaginable cruelty inflicted on live-stock in factory farms) in order to keep the cities fed, in order to keep the waged in place ripe to be exploited for the benefit of those few who actually gain from this system!
Unsurprisingly, the alternative to this planet killing, dehumanising madness, is simple, yet seemingly impossible.
Stop.
Apply the breaks, and rethink your needs and how you can meet them without destroying the resources that our survival ultimately depends on.
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» food, shelter, water, clothing and medical care...
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» RE: Of course the are alternatives to growth!
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Our world is becoming increasingly over populated and the resources we need as humans to survive are depleting ever so rapidly.
If you put too many rats in a cage without enough food and water for all, the rats will eventually start killing each other off in order to get the food and water. It is simply "survival" As sophisticated compassionate and educated as we humans think we are when it comes down to living or dying we will do whatever we have to in order to survive. It is simply one of the laws of nature.
The world is rapidly changing around us and we are in panick mode. The sad thing is that we cannot as human beings seem to get together and work on ways to keep this planet working for all of us. We are not driven by a compassion to make it good for all. Instead we are driven by power and greed. That has been the downfall of humans time and time again over the course of our existence.
The last 8 years we have been ruled in this country by an administration hell bent on grabbing as much power and control as possible at ANY expense which could be seen again as simply a law of nature (survival) The problem is that the driving force behind this administration is not simply one of survival for itself or it's peoples it is driven by greed. We are not in Iraq fighting just to get our share of thier oil so that our people can survive. We are there fighting to make money and that money is being made by the people driving the bus in this country so that they can have more/ ultimate power and control over everything and everybody. They are using our tax dollars and our childrens tax dollars to fund thier ambitions for ultimate power and control.
The obscene amounts of money they are making is not being used in this country to make life as good as possible for it's people, rather it is being hoarded and used to make themselves even more powerful so that they have the ultimate control over all that they so desperately want.
We are on a path to self destruction and sadly it is too late to do anything about it in my opinion. Thunder Dome here we come!!!
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That we are even thinking in terms of conflict for the last of our resources displays limited thinking on the part of our "leadership". The truth is that we, this planet, is surrounded by massive amounts of all the resources we could ever use. Space and the asteroids around us will turn us from resource poor to resource unlimited if we can solve the problem of cheaper access to space. This is why, even though I am a space enthusiast, I believe our presidents plan to take us to Mars is ridiculous and ignorant. NASA needs to have it's entire budget dedicated to building cheaper access to space and the infrastructure our companies will need to make space profitable.
There are so many economic reasons for us to be in space that I cannot do a good job in this post. However, the best website I have ever seen that deals with the economics of space explains it better. That site is www.permanent.com and is well worth the time spent reading every page of it. I spent weeks studying it when I found it and I wholeheartedly agree with the website author.
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» You are the one with the coal burning power plant.
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Sunlight falling on the Earth is an incredibly abundant energy source - it just has to be tapped. The equatorial regions have the highest inputs of solar - 1000 watts/ square meter. These regions are now called "The Third World" but they will be the energy powerhouse regions of the future.
Solar photovoltaics, storage batteries and solar hot water heaters can provide all the energy needed for individual homes. A lot of people live off-the-grid already, and as solar gets more efficient, you can expect a doubling of the electrical output from a set of solar panels.
More northerly regions will rely heavily on wind power, which is also an abundant and largely untapped energy source. Already, old oil drilling rigs are being converted to gigantic floating offshore wind power generators.
So, If you add on wind power and a better electricity grid, you can move beyond renewable powered homes to renewable powered communities and cities. They're already building them in Germany. You can then use electric cars with clean power generation sources for transportation.
Still, cities and communities rely on agriculture to survive - and industrial agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels, but fossil fuel free, organic, solar-wind powered agriculture works just as well. That's right - we can make agricultural production completely fossil free - and then we can start talking about sustainable biofuel development.
It’s basically rebuilding civilization with renewable energy technology. Get agriculture off fossil fuels and develop robust clean energy technology and you can start doing things like making steel and cement with renewable energy as well.
With this kind of strategy, there is no need for coal, no need for imported oil, no need for imported natural gas, and no need for nuclear power expansion (a real disaster in waiting). The truth is that we could already be running everything on energy-efficient renewables, but for the deliberate interventions of the fossil fuel and electric utility cartels and their networked monopolistic shareholder institutions, aka “banks” and "funds".
If we could just get all the U.S. pension funds to drop all their fossil fuel investments and put that money into renewables instead. . .
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Think of us as an auto-immune disease, more than a cancer.
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space station we have now does not count because it relies on
supplies from earth. We really need self-sustaining colonies for
the LifeBoat plan to work. That could be a city-size space station
in its own orbit. A colony could be an airtight space station-like
structure on or underground in Mars or the moon or an asteroid.
A colony could mean Mars modified to be like Earth. See "New
Earths" by Jim Oberg. Terraforming modifies the climate and
atmosphere of another planet to allow earth-life to live there in the
open. Anything in between also counts. The self-sustaining
colony has to be just big enough to survive without contact with
earth and has to have enough people to breed more people. In
other words, it has to have at least 1 woman and stored sperms.
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Global Water Crisis
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Dr. Brad Edwards.
LiftPort is looking for scientists who have a process
for making carbon nanotubes or diamond nanowires
that are both long and strong. Weakening as length
[of carbon nanotubes] increases is holding up the
space elevator. The strength and weight of the
elevator cable are crucial.
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