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California's Water Woes Threaten the Entire Country's Food Supply
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What a difference an administration makes. Samuel Bodman, the previous secretary of energy under the Bush administration, spent his short term stumping for nuclear power plant construction, polluting the hell out of the Earth, profiting off global warming and trying to significantly downplay America's singular role in greenhouse-gas emissions.
The new one? Well, he's a doom prophet with a Ph.D.
"I don't think the American public has gripped in its gut what could happen. We're looking at a scenario where there's no more agriculture in California. I don't actually see how they can keep their cities going," Steven Chu told the Los Angeles Times in February, shortly after taking office in January. "I'm hoping that the American people will wake up," he added, just in case there was any confusion about the gravity of the situation.
That kind of apocalyptic foresight has made Chu a breath of fresh, dystopian air. For eight nearly insufferable years, the American public has had no shortage of political tools telling it everything is going to be all right, that the United States is the greatest country in the world, that reports of our impending environmental devastation have been greatly exaggerated, and so on. By contrast, Steven Chu is a Cassandra on a mission from reality. But few, especially in the state he singled out, feel like buying what he is selling.
"Dr. Chu is not a climate scientist," argued Jim Metropulos, senior advocate at Sierra Club's California chapter, echoing the same conditional given in the Los Angeles Times article in which Chu was quoted. "Obviously, he's versed on it, but he's taking an apocalyptic view. I think it's not sustainable in its current form. We rely on imported water to grow high-value crops, but maybe the agriculture we have today may not be the agriculture we have decades from now."
That's a big maybe.
Here are some not-so-fun facts: California's agricultural sector grows approximately one-third of the nation's food supply and is nourished by diverted rivers and streams filled yearly by runoff from its prodigious Sierra Nevada snowpack, as well as groundwater pumping and other less-reliable methods. That snowpack -- which once sparked the first, but not the last, water war that helped transform a semi-arid Los Angeles into an unsustainable oasis less populous than only New York City -- is disappearing fast. Hence Chu's worrisome prediction.
To make matters worse, a crushing drought, now well into its third year, has made simply everything problematic. In California's central valley, home to a majority of the state's agricultural output, farmers are leaving hundreds of thousands of acres fallow, and the resultant economic depression is having a domino effect that could cost California $1 billion to start and is causing residents of a one-time food powerhouse to go hungry.
In April, a series of spring showers and storms upped the snowpack to 80 percent of normal. At the beginning of May, it stumbled to 66 percent, compared to 72 percent the year before. Complicating that are recent federal directives mandating reductions of water deliveries to California farmers and urban users by 5 to 7 percent in hopes of preserving the Pacific Coast's salmon fishery, which is hovering, like the state's snowpack, on the brink of extinction.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 6, 2009 12:32 AM
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First we need to know what we can do to conserve water. Only if we are asked, for example, to stop drinking tap water, only then does the argument matter over how dire the predictions are.
So less about the futuristic predictions and more about alternative practical measures. I am less interested in quotes from Chu than I am in new policies he might propose. Those are worth fighting over.
Who is the best fortune teller is something only journalists who love drama pay attention to. So please give us something more than what's only good to wrap fish in.
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» That phrase was meant to be ironic; you know, like over the top.
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» Well, here come those predicted food riots, add that to the white supremecists.... and anti-choice..
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» RE: Well, here come those predicted food riots, add that to the white supremecists.... and anti-choice..
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» Water shortages are made to allow for privatizing water supplies.
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» While no expert on California water, I do read everything about it I see.
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» RE: While no expert on California water, I do read everything about it I see.
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» Your comments confirm my limited anecdotal experience.
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» Upstate New York
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Jun 6, 2009 1:40 AM
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Find a failed state of the past and you're likely to find the lethal combination of the overuse of resources and climate change. We're headed down the path of ruined civilizations of the past, and most of us are blissfully ignorant of the fact that we are destroying our nation by destroying our environment.
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» yup, a mainstream media presentation which fits with the agenda....
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Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Jun 6, 2009 3:09 AM
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Posted by: cdlepthien on Jun 6, 2009 4:36 AM
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I question whether California actually produces 1/3 of the nation's food supply. Vegetables, maybe. Also, the author's statement that people are already going hungry in California because of fallow fields in the Central Valley seems a little odd: people in California who have enough money to buy food are, I'm sure, well fed, and the skyrocketing price of produce is affecting poor people nationwide.
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Posted by: shanbrom@aol.com on Jun 6, 2009 5:41 AM
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While residential uses should permanently ban lawns and car washing as well as make use of gray water, the main savings are to be had by banning wasteful ag uses. And there is nothing so water-wasteful as hay farming and beef. It was hay farmers diverting salmon stream water in the Klamath watershed in No. CA. who probably have put that population of salmon on the brink of collapse.
The simplest solutions are to vastly increase water rates to all users and to ban wasteful crops.
There are so-called tax-and-spend Democrats, and then there are borrow-and-spend Republicans. We need a new movement to the fore: tax-and-save environmentalists.
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Posted by: cdlepthien on Jun 6, 2009 6:41 AM
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I substantially agree with the previous poster that beef as currently grown is wasteful, and that irrigation should not be allowed to destroy ecosystems or species. But I think that there is a place for cattle ranching, especially in the west. It's the huge amount of corn fed to cows and the industrialization of the livestock industry that seems to be the real problem for our resource economy (and for our humanitarian values). I certainly preferred my local hayfields to the golf courses that replaced them.
Part of the reason that California has the economic incentive to irrigate such a huge amount of farmland is that we all want to eat tomatoes in February, when we should be eating cabbages and parsnips (and grass-raised beef).
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Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Jun 6, 2009 7:06 AM
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» Actually, we need to move the poor to "Pacific Palisades", "Morgan Hill, Rodando Beach,
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 6, 2009 7:47 AM
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Furthermore, there are simply too many people living in the state. Period! I was brought there as a child and eventually returned to the midwestern state of my birth. The problem is the sense of entitlement that makes everyone wish their neighbors leave so they can stay. I wish I never had grown up there. Lately I torture myself by walking around nice neighborhoods I can't afford to live in and wonder where I would be had I grown up here instead of there. I would probably be in a nice suburban home with kids in college now, worried about my tomato plants and lilac bushes, married to a nice but boring Cub fan, instead of surviving the aftermath of the bizarre twists and turns my life took out in the "Golden State." If I could turn back the clock and rewrite history, I would.
Sorry Cali, but when I read about all your woes, I can't cry for you.
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Posted by: lynned2002 on Jun 6, 2009 8:24 AM
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Posted by: sirios on Jun 6, 2009 9:11 AM
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1- environmental groups strongly resist this for various reasons
2- it is unclear that because of prolonged drought that it would be possible to fill new res.
3- when the oroville dam was built it caused an earthquake in the region which later became an issue for building new dams.
4- water flows out of dams is set by law and not easily changed
5- fruit and nut trees require more water than flooded rice fields because they must have water year round.
6-operating the massive distribution system is very costly.
7- increased population is always a factor, same amount of available water and more demand.
8- the state is almost bankrupt, so desalination is totally off the table.
9- need i continue?
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» Thank you for more information than can be found in the whole of this article.
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» RE: complex
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» Southern California now depends on an open aqueduct system from the north.
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 6, 2009 9:28 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 6, 2009 10:04 AM
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Everywhere.
Some places are worse than others. California is one of those worse places.
California produces so much of our food because it's profitable for agribusinesses to do so, not because California is so vitally necessary for the nation's well-being. If necessary, local agriculture can fill the "California" gap nicely, just as it has in the past. We just won't have things in the winter that we wouldn't ordinarily have, and would have to rely on SEASONAL produce. We've done this before, and can do it again.
All we have to do is stop destroying valuable cropland, stop building tacky "track shacks", strip malls, parking lots, and superhighways, and end our assualt on Nature. This includes reducing our population through family planning and education programs, aimed at eliminating unwanted pregnancies.
What are the chances of all this happening and a happy ending of our self-inflicted woes? ZERO, in my opinion.
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» RE: ally? California was generally against annexing Iraq
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» RE: ally? California was generally against annexing Iraq
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Posted by: dayahka on Jun 6, 2009 10:11 AM
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» Gorging ourselves on Stereotypes
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 6, 2009 10:56 AM
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Look at every god damned men's room that has waterhoggish urinals. Switch them to waterless and you get a statewide net savings of 13 billion gallons of water a month. But why don't we have that? Because the owning-classers who build projects with men's rooms don't want to spent $10,000 extra per building (on projects that make then several hundred million in profit!). Awww pooor babies, rich boyz will only make tens of millions in profit instead of hundreds of millions... sob, weep, snort!
But for the god damned owning class in our state we could have: water and energy efficient buildings, schools, teachers, healthcare for all, affordable housing, sustainable Ag, green-transit and so many other wonderful things.
If you know a rich person, it's time to get up in their grille's people! This is a problem of THEIR making!
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and even a
pleasure declares
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 6, 2009 12:56 PM
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I'm guessing the smallish desert community with its wealthy pensioners must have at least a dozen golf courses, grassy and green, gulping the water--even as Borregans lament the inaccessible aquifers and dearth of water all around.
Here's an idea: Let's dismantle the golf courses and construct a library with books (not just technology). It is a smallish step but it can't hurt.
Older folks tend to have eye problems, but most can still read. And if you choose to have a drink while reading, make it straight, no chaser.
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» As Many As People Will Use If the Course Does Not Preempt Water
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» Bring it on, including the scorpions!
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Posted by: Hans B on Jun 6, 2009 4:23 PM
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As regards adaptation to global warming, it's also so that farmers' lobbies consider boundless quantities of water to be a basic right, and block even such sensible rules as a ban on day-time spraying (when 70% of the consumed water evaporates) or a contour plowing obligation (to prevent 70% of rainwater from being lost to runoff). At least it's so in France, and I suppose things aren't much different elsewhere.
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» If banks own the dollar, the US farm lobby owns the Senate.
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Posted by: L5 on Jun 6, 2009 11:31 PM
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None of the dire predictions that are be made here every eventually occurred during that episode.
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» Deserts grew, marginal farmers and workers suffered, and Mexico's Colorado became a garbage dump.
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» And irrigation builds up salinity in the soil making it nearly useless.
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Posted by: tom1946 on Jun 14, 2009 4:05 PM
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The simple solution is to quit growing water-intensive crops like cotton and rice that can be grown elsewhere. This alone would solve the CA water shortage.
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Jun 19, 2009 7:01 PM
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Tigers don't change their stripes, a messiah is not on the way to save the day, and Americans don't "wake up." Can't happen. Over three hundred million people would have to have their brains re-programmed, and even that is a metaphor from fantasy-land. You don't re-program brains by talking. The big-wigs that engineered the "new pearl harbor" of 9/11 knew that only by stressing people emotionally with great fear could render their brains vulnerable to re-calibration; and it worked, of course. People will not "wake up" until they feel real pain and real fear, and they haven't, yet. When they do feel some real pain, something will happen, but whether that will justify the metaphor of "waking," or another less pleasant metaphor along the lines of Night of the Living Dead, or Lord of the Flies, is a wide open question.
Beware of euphemisms is disguise...it is the stuff of Disneyland.
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Point of Sale.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 6, 2009 12:32 AM
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First we need to know what we can do to conserve water. Only if we are asked, for example, to stop drinking tap water, only then does the argument matter over how dire the predictions are.
So less about the futuristic predictions and more about alternative practical measures. I am less interested in quotes from Chu than I am in new policies he might propose. Those are worth fighting over.
Who is the best fortune teller is something only journalists who love drama pay attention to. So please give us something more than what's only good to wrap fish in.
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» That phrase was meant to be ironic; you know, like over the top.
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» Well, here come those predicted food riots, add that to the white supremecists.... and anti-choice..
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» Water shortages are made to allow for privatizing water supplies.
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» RE: Water shortages are made to allow for privatizing water supplies.
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» While no expert on California water, I do read everything about it I see.
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» RE: While no expert on California water, I do read everything about it I see.
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» Your comments confirm my limited anecdotal experience.
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» Upstate New York
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Jun 6, 2009 1:40 AM
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Find a failed state of the past and you're likely to find the lethal combination of the overuse of resources and climate change. We're headed down the path of ruined civilizations of the past, and most of us are blissfully ignorant of the fact that we are destroying our nation by destroying our environment.
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» yup, a mainstream media presentation which fits with the agenda....
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Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Jun 6, 2009 3:09 AM
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» desalination will be used more
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» RE: what about
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» energy return on investment
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» Just found this little ditty about desalination.... and reverse osmosis...
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Posted by: cdlepthien on Jun 6, 2009 4:36 AM
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I question whether California actually produces 1/3 of the nation's food supply. Vegetables, maybe. Also, the author's statement that people are already going hungry in California because of fallow fields in the Central Valley seems a little odd: people in California who have enough money to buy food are, I'm sure, well fed, and the skyrocketing price of produce is affecting poor people nationwide.
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Posted by: shanbrom@aol.com on Jun 6, 2009 5:41 AM
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While residential uses should permanently ban lawns and car washing as well as make use of gray water, the main savings are to be had by banning wasteful ag uses. And there is nothing so water-wasteful as hay farming and beef. It was hay farmers diverting salmon stream water in the Klamath watershed in No. CA. who probably have put that population of salmon on the brink of collapse.
The simplest solutions are to vastly increase water rates to all users and to ban wasteful crops.
There are so-called tax-and-spend Democrats, and then there are borrow-and-spend Republicans. We need a new movement to the fore: tax-and-save environmentalists.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jun 6, 2009 5:59 AM
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» NO-SierraClub NEUTRAL on immigration: CAPS takes a position
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» Poor and Immigrants Didn't Cause This Mess And Shouldn't Pay to Fix It
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Posted by: cdlepthien on Jun 6, 2009 6:41 AM
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I substantially agree with the previous poster that beef as currently grown is wasteful, and that irrigation should not be allowed to destroy ecosystems or species. But I think that there is a place for cattle ranching, especially in the west. It's the huge amount of corn fed to cows and the industrialization of the livestock industry that seems to be the real problem for our resource economy (and for our humanitarian values). I certainly preferred my local hayfields to the golf courses that replaced them.
Part of the reason that California has the economic incentive to irrigate such a huge amount of farmland is that we all want to eat tomatoes in February, when we should be eating cabbages and parsnips (and grass-raised beef).
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» I agree, do away with the elites landscaping and swimming pools....
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Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Jun 6, 2009 7:06 AM
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» RE: The population needs to spread out already.
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» RE: Over population is the problem
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» RE: Over population is the problem
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» RE: Over population is the problem
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» Actually, we need to move the poor to "Pacific Palisades", "Morgan Hill, Rodando Beach,
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» Redondo Beach
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» RE: The population needs to spread out already.
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» Ohio, INdiana, Michigan- rainfall, houses- need stimulus jobs
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» Syracuse, Buffalo, Detroit...
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» The Poor Ain't Goin Nowhere, Literally or Metaphorically
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 6, 2009 7:47 AM
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Furthermore, there are simply too many people living in the state. Period! I was brought there as a child and eventually returned to the midwestern state of my birth. The problem is the sense of entitlement that makes everyone wish their neighbors leave so they can stay. I wish I never had grown up there. Lately I torture myself by walking around nice neighborhoods I can't afford to live in and wonder where I would be had I grown up here instead of there. I would probably be in a nice suburban home with kids in college now, worried about my tomato plants and lilac bushes, married to a nice but boring Cub fan, instead of surviving the aftermath of the bizarre twists and turns my life took out in the "Golden State." If I could turn back the clock and rewrite history, I would.
Sorry Cali, but when I read about all your woes, I can't cry for you.
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Posted by: sirios on Jun 6, 2009 9:11 AM
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1- environmental groups strongly resist this for various reasons
2- it is unclear that because of prolonged drought that it would be possible to fill new res.
3- when the oroville dam was built it caused an earthquake in the region which later became an issue for building new dams.
4- water flows out of dams is set by law and not easily changed
5- fruit and nut trees require more water than flooded rice fields because they must have water year round.
6-operating the massive distribution system is very costly.
7- increased population is always a factor, same amount of available water and more demand.
8- the state is almost bankrupt, so desalination is totally off the table.
9- need i continue?
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» Southern California now depends on an open aqueduct system from the north.
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 6, 2009 9:28 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 6, 2009 10:04 AM
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Everywhere.
Some places are worse than others. California is one of those worse places.
California produces so much of our food because it's profitable for agribusinesses to do so, not because California is so vitally necessary for the nation's well-being. If necessary, local agriculture can fill the "California" gap nicely, just as it has in the past. We just won't have things in the winter that we wouldn't ordinarily have, and would have to rely on SEASONAL produce. We've done this before, and can do it again.
All we have to do is stop destroying valuable cropland, stop building tacky "track shacks", strip malls, parking lots, and superhighways, and end our assualt on Nature. This includes reducing our population through family planning and education programs, aimed at eliminating unwanted pregnancies.
What are the chances of all this happening and a happy ending of our self-inflicted woes? ZERO, in my opinion.
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Posted by: dayahka on Jun 6, 2009 10:11 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 6, 2009 10:56 AM
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Look at every god damned men's room that has waterhoggish urinals. Switch them to waterless and you get a statewide net savings of 13 billion gallons of water a month. But why don't we have that? Because the owning-classers who build projects with men's rooms don't want to spent $10,000 extra per building (on projects that make then several hundred million in profit!). Awww pooor babies, rich boyz will only make tens of millions in profit instead of hundreds of millions... sob, weep, snort!
But for the god damned owning class in our state we could have: water and energy efficient buildings, schools, teachers, healthcare for all, affordable housing, sustainable Ag, green-transit and so many other wonderful things.
If you know a rich person, it's time to get up in their grille's people! This is a problem of THEIR making!
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Posted by: vertical on Jun 6, 2009 11:29 AM
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Posted by: Sinibaldi on Jun 6, 2009 11:55 AM
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lives in a
country like
a rose in the
dreamland,
and even a
pleasure declares
in a moment
that intention
of love.
Francesco Sinibaldi
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 6, 2009 12:56 PM
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I'm guessing the smallish desert community with its wealthy pensioners must have at least a dozen golf courses, grassy and green, gulping the water--even as Borregans lament the inaccessible aquifers and dearth of water all around.
Here's an idea: Let's dismantle the golf courses and construct a library with books (not just technology). It is a smallish step but it can't hurt.
Older folks tend to have eye problems, but most can still read. And if you choose to have a drink while reading, make it straight, no chaser.
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Posted by: Hans B on Jun 6, 2009 4:23 PM
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As regards adaptation to global warming, it's also so that farmers' lobbies consider boundless quantities of water to be a basic right, and block even such sensible rules as a ban on day-time spraying (when 70% of the consumed water evaporates) or a contour plowing obligation (to prevent 70% of rainwater from being lost to runoff). At least it's so in France, and I suppose things aren't much different elsewhere.
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» If banks own the dollar, the US farm lobby owns the Senate.
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Posted by: L5 on Jun 6, 2009 11:31 PM
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None of the dire predictions that are be made here every eventually occurred during that episode.
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» Deserts grew, marginal farmers and workers suffered, and Mexico's Colorado became a garbage dump.
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» And irrigation builds up salinity in the soil making it nearly useless.
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Posted by: AdamDunny on Jun 7, 2009 6:11 PM
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RT
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Posted by: tom1946 on Jun 14, 2009 4:05 PM
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The simple solution is to quit growing water-intensive crops like cotton and rice that can be grown elsewhere. This alone would solve the CA water shortage.
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Jun 19, 2009 7:01 PM
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Tigers don't change their stripes, a messiah is not on the way to save the day, and Americans don't "wake up." Can't happen. Over three hundred million people would have to have their brains re-programmed, and even that is a metaphor from fantasy-land. You don't re-program brains by talking. The big-wigs that engineered the "new pearl harbor" of 9/11 knew that only by stressing people emotionally with great fear could render their brains vulnerable to re-calibration; and it worked, of course. People will not "wake up" until they feel real pain and real fear, and they haven't, yet. When they do feel some real pain, something will happen, but whether that will justify the metaphor of "waking," or another less pleasant metaphor along the lines of Night of the Living Dead, or Lord of the Flies, is a wide open question.
Beware of euphemisms is disguise...it is the stuff of Disneyland.
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Posted by: tagshow on Jul 2, 2009 8:22 PM
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Point of Sale.
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