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Ethanol Is a Disaster, But What About Other Biofuels?
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A recent television ad features an animated corn stalk saying in a nasally, child-like voice: "Ethanol decreases carbon emission by a lot -- that's good for the environment and the air we breathe. Hey, if those Indy race cars are usin' it, there must be somethin' to it! Ethanol: good for your car, the environment and America!" The ethanol industry seems to have a lot to brag about these days: Corn, one of the U.S.' largest commodities, is a staple food for many countries and has been a hope for many wishing to relieve America's dependence on foreign oil with "green" biofuel.
The National Corn Growers Association calls corn-based ethanol the "greatest success story in modern agriculture." And why would they not be likely to make such a claim? With all the hype that corn ethanol is receiving from the media and politicians, ethanol seems to promise a panacea for many of the important issues our nation (and world) is facing. Ethanol enthusiasts boast that farming corn will provide thousands of jobs, will allow America to gain energy independence and decrease carbon emissions.
But recently critics have argued that corn ethanol's "green" image is only a façade and the conviction that it can alleviate our energy problem is a false hope, blown out of proportion by the media and America's eager desire for a cure-all. The idea that a single resource -- and moreover, one we have a surplus of -- could single-handedly fix the economy, our dependence on foreign oil and global warming itself is an alluring, but elusive, promise.
The problem is finding a more accessible, economical and sustainable solution to corn. The potential for cellulosic biofuel has been acknowledged for years, but there hasn't been enough funding available to develop it because too much energy has been directed at promoting the corn craze. Cellulosic (nonfood) forms of ethanol such as perennial grasses and woodchips emit two to three times less carbon than corn ethanol. Now we just need to redirect or focus.
It might lessen our environmental guilt to say we're using "green" biofuel (life fuel!). But the reality is the end product of corn ethanol releases only slightly less carbon than gasoline (less than two percent) and consequences such as soil erosion and increased food price are drastic. But at least our intention is good: America has -- finally -- reached a consensus that we are in an energy and environmental crisis, which is undoubtedly a giant step in the right direction after years of denial.
Unfortunately, we're discovering that dramatic inflation of corn production is having numerous negative effects on the environment. The monoculture corn is cultivated in requires immense amounts of herbicides, fungicides, pesticides and petrochemicals. And the fertilizers used contain high levels of nitrogen, contributing to mass soil erosion and "dead zones," such as the one in the Gulf of Mexico. Here, the Mississippi River dumps so much agricultural waste into The Gulf that the concentration of nitrogen restricts oxygen levels in the water so nothing can live there. This particular dead zone is expanding beyond the size of New Jersey and more are popping up where there's excessive agricultural runoff.
Aside from the destruction nitrogen causes soil, many experts are concerned that using corn for ethanol instead of food will perpetuate our world's hunger problem. Using farmable land to feed our energy-hungry nation rather than hungry people is not in anyone's interest. Vic Smith, a biologist at the Naturalist Center of the California Academy of Sciences and environmental science instructor at College of Marin in Northern California, says, "It is a legitimate concern to worry about the possibility of increased food shortages, higher food prices and increased world hunger if the world's focus is to concentrate on creating energy from edible biomass [food]."
The U.S. supplies approximately 70 percent of the world's corn, so in 2005 when America began using most of its corn crops for ethanol production, other countries experienced dramatic price increases for an essential staple food. We saw a sobering example of this in Mexico in late 2006: Mexico receives 80 percent of its corn imports from the U.S., so when corn prices went from $2.80 to $4.20 a bushel because more U.S. corn was being used for ethanol, the price of the tortilla doubled. The increase drastically affected the 53 million people living in poverty in Mexico. In a dramatic response, riots broke out and President Felipe Calderon put a cap on corn prices. Though this is likely to be the most dramatic example we've seen of increased corn prices affecting the food market, it's probably not the last: The International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) has projected that global corn prices could rise 20 percent by 2010 and 41 percent by 2020.
Although the extent of corn ethanol's affect on the global food market is still being debated, one thing is known for sure: The price of fuel directly affects the cost of ethanol. Because producing corn ethanol requires fuel (mainly gas and coal), the costs are linked so when the price of gas increases, so does the cost of producing ethanol. This doesn't make for an economically sustainable fuel alternative.
Since corn ethanol cannot yet be transported via tubing systems like gasoline can (because it's less dense than gasoline), it requires trucks, railroads or barges for distribution -- using yet more fuel and emitting more greenhouse gases. All things considered, the net energy balance of harvesting, transporting and converting corn into ethanol is less than two percent -- barely making it more "environmentally friendly."
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Posted by: pelican beak on Jan 12, 2009 1:35 AM
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I've watched with horror as my generation used more each year, and the older I grow now, the more I wish our children and grandchildren good luck dealing with the as yet incompletely known consequences of our choices.
All of these various enviro-problems, in the ocean, the air, across the land and lakes, would be less severe if there were fewer of us. We can treat each problem separately, with all the various layers of extra technological requirements, and laws and regulations and monitoring and policing which that requires, or we could try something else that deals with all of them at once.
If there were few enough of us, we could live the same consumptive lifestyle as we do now, without screwing up the environment. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with how we live, it's doing it with so many people that makes it bad. I've got no proposal how to lower our numbers, but it could be one of those things where if we don't do it ourselves, it gets done to us.
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Posted by: indyskywolf on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 AM
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Don't come whining to me about biofuels until Hemp is being used. Then you'll have no reason to whine.
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Posted by: BrianJDonovan on Jan 12, 2009 3:33 AM
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Governor Bobby Jindal has signed into law the Advanced Biofuel Industry Development Initiative, the most comprehensive and far-reaching state legislation in the nation enacted to develop a statewide advanced biofuel industry. Louisiana is the first state to enact alternative transportation fuel legislation that includes a variable blending pump pilot program and a hydrous ethanol pilot program.
Field-to-Pump Strategy
The legislature found that the proper development of an advanced biofuel industry in Louisiana requires implementation of the following comprehensive “field-to-pump” strategy developed by Renergie, Inc.:
(1) Feedstock Other Than Corn
(a) derived solely from Louisiana harvested crops;
(b) capable of an annual yield of at least 600 gallons of ethanol per acre;
(c) requiring no more than one-half of the water required to grow corn;
(d) tolerant to high temperature and waterlogging;
(e) resistant to drought and saline-alkaline soils;
(f) capable of being grown in marginal soils, ranging from heavy clay to light sand;
(g) requiring no more than one-third of the nitrogen required to grow corn, thereby reducing the risk of contamination of the waters of the state; and
(h) requiring no more than one-half of the energy necessary to convert corn into ethanol.
(2) Decentralized Network of Small Advanced Biofuel Manufacturing Facilities
Smaller is better. The distributed nature of a small advanced biofuel manufacturing facility network reduces feedstock supply risk, does not burden local water supplies and provides for broader based economic development. Each advanced biofuel manufacturing facility operating in Louisiana will produce no less than 5 million gallons of advanced biofuel per year and no more than 15 million gallons of advanced biofuel per year.
(3) Market Expansion
Advanced biofuel supply and demand shall be expanded beyond the 10% blend market by blending fuel-grade anhydrous ethanol with gasoline at the gas station pump. Variable blending pumps, directly installed and operated at local gas stations by a qualified small advanced biofuel manufacturing facility, shall offer the consumer a less expensive substitute for unleaded gasoline in the form of E10, E20, E30 and E85.
Pilot Programs
(1) Advanced Biofuel Variable Blending Pumps - The blending of fuels with advanced biofuel percentages between 10 percent and 85 percent will be permitted on a trial basis until January 1, 2012. During this period the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry Division of Weights & Measures will monitor the equipment used to dispense the ethanol blends to ascertain that the equipment is suitable and capable of producing an accurate measurement.
(2) Hydrous Ethanol - The use of hydrous ethanol blends of E10, E20, E30 and E85 in motor vehicles specifically selected for test purposes will be permitted on a trial basis until January 1, 2012. During this period the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry Division of Weights & Measures will monitor the performance of the motor vehicles. The hydrous blends will be tested for blend optimization with respect to fuel consumption and engine emissions. Preliminary tests conducted in Europe have proven that the use of hydrous ethanol, which eliminates the need for the hydrous-to-anhydrous dehydration processing step, results in an energy savings of between ten percent and forty-five percent during processing, a four percent product volume increase, higher mileage per gallon, a cleaner engine interior, and a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.
Please feel free to visit Renergie’s weblog (www.renergie.wordpress.com) for more information.
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Posted by: stagebandman on Jan 12, 2009 5:16 AM
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Many of you are playing right into the hands of the oil companies un-logic. Right now, ethanol is the best alternative we have, and we should be exploiting it completely.
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Posted by: Skrunge Worzle on Jan 12, 2009 6:07 AM
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Currently vast quantities of agricultural and human waste and bi-products are being discarded, or worse destroyed, when they should be being utilised as fuel.
Human and animal fecal matter, when treated properly produces usable methane and results in quality, high nitrogen natural composted fertilizer. Crops like sugar, corn, rice, wheat and others leave behind leaves and stalks that could so easily be converted to fuel, rather than being burned in the fields to contribute to pollution levels and rising CO2. The planet requires us to take a fresh look at the treatment of all our waste material.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 12, 2009 6:37 AM
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I heat my home using a stove that will burn either corn or wood pellets. It will also burn bio-mass pellets (I suppose these could be made from hemp) but I've never seen any of these for sale. I find that corn burns cleaner and hotter than wood so I prefer to burn corn rather than wood though I've used both.
I suppose by burning corn I am helping to take some land out of production that could conceivably be used for feeding people or cattle, but I am also helping to support a local farmer who grows it and delivers it to my home. I like dealing with him.
On the other hand, if I use wood pellets my choice is to buy them from Walmart, Home Depot or Lowes. In each of these three cases the wood pellets are shipped hundreds of miles, either from Quebec, Pennsylvania or Arkansas (I live in Maine).
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Posted by: ksun77 on Jan 12, 2009 6:52 AM
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Increased efficiency is the most effective way to save 90% of the energy we use. In the process, we stimulate economy with jobs, decrease global warming gasses and environmental pollutants of all kinds. Maybe there would be some hope for our kids and grandkids if we weren't so downright ignorant and greedy.
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Posted by: Canute on Jan 12, 2009 7:00 AM
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1) Growing plants
2) Transforming plants into a flammable liquid
3) Pouring the liquid into a fleet of millions of 4,000 lb. vehicles
4) One person in each vehicle
5) Driving 50-65 mph, 13,000 miles per year
...it just won't work. There isn't enough land, enough fertilizer, enough water, enough anything do keep a couple hundred million cars tooling around. Even if we could get past the requirements of the natural world we'd have half of our economy dedicated to fueling the other half.
Having written that, I'm with the poster above - biogas has the best energy return on investment (30:1 compared to 5:1 for biodiesel or 4:1 for cell. ethanol) and it uses (borrows, really) waste as a feedstock. It's just that we shouldn't think of biofuels as the grand solution that will allow us all to speed around in two-ton steel boxes forever.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 12, 2009 7:10 AM
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Stop crying about the price of tortillias. The corn used for ethanol production is "field corn". This type of corn is NOT used for human consumption! It is livestock feed.
And don't worry about "monoculture". In Nebraska where I live and farm, almost every farmer rotates corn with soybeans or some other crop yearly. I think some of you West Coast types think if you drove around out here you would see nothing but continuous fields of corn. WRONG! Only about half the land is in corn production. "Corn on corn" production is not used by most farmers.
And while you cry about the poor peasants in Mexico, please spare a thought for the family farmers who have seen the price of crop go down by half in the last few months.
I'll bet you have never been within a 100 miles of a corn field in your life.
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» Doesn't overproduction of corn suck up more water and fossil fuels?
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» Thanks zooey. I'll admit that I'm scared to try out GMO food but
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» So--what's the difference?
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jan 12, 2009 9:00 AM
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» RE: With no mention of hemp, this is just another fault-finding article.
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» WhuThe?- Hemp for food and fiber too! Same acre.
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 12, 2009 9:19 AM
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What about the rest of the farm subsidies? Many are at least, if not more wasteful than the moonshiners lobby!
I love a little liquor now and then. I also pay at least $14.00 per liter-and-a-half, and that's the cheap stuff I mix with soda. I suspect, if we turned off the federal teat, corn liquor (oh, ok, "the ethanol industry's") products would cost at least as much as I'm paying for my hooch down the street.
P.S. If we're going to subsidize moonshiners, I say we subsidize wacky-tobacky growers also. I'm not really THAT much into drugs of any kind, but dammit, my 14th amendment tells me we ought not to be 'skriminatin' agin' the producers of goods that maked uses more stupider.
And you can quote me on that. After a few shots...
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 12, 2009 9:22 AM
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No freaking way that I can fathom. Fructose, feed corn, tortilla's and taco bells, corn syrup, etc.
I am NOT calling the author a liar. As someone who grew up on a farm and then became a scientist, I'd just like to know where the author gets that data and I remain in my normal mode--skeptical until I get real information.
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Posted by: PabloKoh on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 AM
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Jerusalem Artichokes, Sugarcane, Sorghum Cane, Sugar beets and potatoes all yield considerably more ethanol per acre than corn. If you want to get really crazy look at cattails grown in sewage: 2500 gallons/acre and you use a source of waste to fertilize.
I disagree with what the author thinks the problem is. We have the solutions. We have the technology. We have the crops. We don't have the will to completely change our agricultural system in this country.
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Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Jan 12, 2009 10:28 AM
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We had one of the first operational aquaponics systems in Texas about twelve years ago. Aquaponics is a closed ecosystem wherein one can raise organic vegetables and farm raised fish in a mutually beneficial way. The fish effluent feeds the plants and the plants feed the fish while cleaning the water from the fish tanks and thus eliminating the need to discharge water downstream.
If one adds an algae gathering system to aquaponics, you then have a system that promotes organic food AND energy production with a minimum of energy cost.
Algae is already being tested as a source of bio. One of the problems with aquaponics was keeping the algae level down. If, instead, you promote algae growth with panels of fish effluent water exposed to sunlight then the algae would be easily harvestable.
It's a simple and elegant solution that is totally good for the environment and good for our food supply. It's a common sense solution so I doubt that it will be considered.
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» I've heard of algal oil aka renewable petroleum.
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Posted by: lewb on Jan 12, 2009 10:39 AM
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Posted by: harpy on Jan 12, 2009 10:41 AM
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 PM
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Battery technology isn't where we want it to be, either. The best (and most expensive) car-appropriate batteries on the market today - all based on one or another lithium-based chemistry - can hold only a small fraction of the energy contained in a tank of gasoline.
But while the energy density of a given fuel is fixed, the energy density of batteries is not fixed. Nobody actually knows how much energy will eventually be stuffed into affordable batteries. What we do know is that every year, improvements in battery technology occur, and it's a hot area of research and development.
The future I'm hoping for is one where batteries become capable of holding *more* than the energy in a tank of gas. Much more. Imagine driving from Boston to San Francisco on a single charge, in a full-sized, comfortable family car. Impossible? Actually, it isn't. We don't know how to do it yet, but we do know that there are no laws of physics which would prevent us from achieving such high energy densities.
I think we'll get there. But we won't get there fast, and that means we have to worry about CO2 emissions, oil price volatility and dependency on foreign oil in the short to mid term. We need a bridge solution.
Corn ethanol has been thoroughly discredited as a contender. Here's hoping cellulosic sources prove to be more useful.
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Posted by: Davian on Jan 13, 2009 1:17 AM
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Secondly, it is patently absurd to convert into fuel the forests we depend upon to absorb CO2 and bank carbon for centuries -- if allowed to --.
There's a lot of other good reasons to keep forests around too.
We have a time critical problem. Business as usual through compromises and half-measures is sure fire failure.
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Posted by: being734 on Jan 13, 2009 7:17 AM
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Also, virtually all of the land that can be cultivated is cultivated so I am not sure where the "marginal" land is that would grow all this hemp. Land that is not cultivated is in native or tame pastures and is in pasture because it is too dry or too sandy or rocky to grow anything but small amounts of grass. I know this because I live in the midst of it. All crops require fertilization now, except for grasslands where the harvest of material is very small and the animals return most of the nutrients back to the soil in the form of manure. Hemp is a cultivated crop, not a perennial. It requires planting and re-seeding yearly. Some grasses might be better alternatives as they are perennials. But when you remove nutrients you have to replace them. So some fertilizer, comparable to the amount of nutrients you remove, has to be used.
It saddens me that so many discussions around energy seem incapable of acknowledging that we need to reduce energy consumption dramatically. That is the way to begin solving our energy and environmental problems. Simply looking for a fix that lets us continue to use vast quantities of energy will inevitably create as many problems as it solves. Returning to the energy consumption rates of 50 years ago would be a start on this problem. I was a kid in the 1960s and we didn't live in caves, didn't freeze in the dark and did have cars. However, we didn't have leaf blowers, exotic vacations, and most people had never flown in an airplane. We didn't drive 2 blocks to the store, and we rode bikes and the bus when I went to university. Freshmen seldom owned cars and houses were small. And you know what? Life was pretty darn good.
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Posted by: C the B on Jan 13, 2009 9:07 AM
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Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp byproduct after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose – a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics and fibers. Depending on which U.S. agricultural report is correct, an acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from 4 to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane – the planet’s next highest annual cellulose plants.
In most places, hemp can be harvested twice a year and, in warmer areas such as Southern California, Texas, Florida and the like, it could be a year-round crop. Hemp has a short growing season and can be planted after food crops have been harvested.
An independent, semi-rural network of efficient and autonomous farmers should become the key economic player in the production of energy in this country.
The United States government pays (in cash or in “kind”) for farmers to refrain from growing on approximately 90 million acres of farmland each year, called the “soil bank.” And 10-90 million acres of hemp or other woody annual biomass planted on this restricted, unplanted fallow farm land would make energy a whole new ball game and be a real attempt at doing something to save the Earth. There are another 500 million marginal unplanted acres of farm land in America.
Each acre of hemp would yield 1,000 gallons of methanol, or 500 gallons of gasoline. Fuels from hemp, along with the recycling of paper, etc., would be enough to run America virtually without oil.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jan 13, 2009 3:15 PM
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What we are really looking at here in the bigger picture is making energy from the sun. Is there a better way to get to point a to point b than corn and ethanol>? Most certainly.
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Posted by: IndyElliott on Jan 14, 2009 12:23 AM
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"IUPUI Researcher closes in on..."
http://newscenter.iupui.edu/3654/_ Researcher-Closes-in-On-Ethanol-Breakthrough_ -that-Reduces-Need-to-Use-Corn-to-Make-Ethanol
(If you cut and paste the above take out the '_ 's)
This also may do the job:
http://newscenter.iupui.edu/3654
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Posted by: marsmath on Jan 15, 2009 5:28 PM
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Everthing should be on the table for discussion. All of the truths are there to be seen. They have been known for nearly a century, but have had the stench of propaganda obscurring them. Thank you H.J. Anslinger, Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, DuPont, Tricky Dick Nixon, I know I'm leaving out many more, but these guys really stand out.
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Posted by: pelican beak on Jan 12, 2009 1:35 AM
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I've watched with horror as my generation used more each year, and the older I grow now, the more I wish our children and grandchildren good luck dealing with the as yet incompletely known consequences of our choices.
All of these various enviro-problems, in the ocean, the air, across the land and lakes, would be less severe if there were fewer of us. We can treat each problem separately, with all the various layers of extra technological requirements, and laws and regulations and monitoring and policing which that requires, or we could try something else that deals with all of them at once.
If there were few enough of us, we could live the same consumptive lifestyle as we do now, without screwing up the environment. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with how we live, it's doing it with so many people that makes it bad. I've got no proposal how to lower our numbers, but it could be one of those things where if we don't do it ourselves, it gets done to us.
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Posted by: indyskywolf on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 AM
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Don't come whining to me about biofuels until Hemp is being used. Then you'll have no reason to whine.
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Posted by: BrianJDonovan on Jan 12, 2009 3:33 AM
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Governor Bobby Jindal has signed into law the Advanced Biofuel Industry Development Initiative, the most comprehensive and far-reaching state legislation in the nation enacted to develop a statewide advanced biofuel industry. Louisiana is the first state to enact alternative transportation fuel legislation that includes a variable blending pump pilot program and a hydrous ethanol pilot program.
Field-to-Pump Strategy
The legislature found that the proper development of an advanced biofuel industry in Louisiana requires implementation of the following comprehensive “field-to-pump” strategy developed by Renergie, Inc.:
(1) Feedstock Other Than Corn
(a) derived solely from Louisiana harvested crops;
(b) capable of an annual yield of at least 600 gallons of ethanol per acre;
(c) requiring no more than one-half of the water required to grow corn;
(d) tolerant to high temperature and waterlogging;
(e) resistant to drought and saline-alkaline soils;
(f) capable of being grown in marginal soils, ranging from heavy clay to light sand;
(g) requiring no more than one-third of the nitrogen required to grow corn, thereby reducing the risk of contamination of the waters of the state; and
(h) requiring no more than one-half of the energy necessary to convert corn into ethanol.
(2) Decentralized Network of Small Advanced Biofuel Manufacturing Facilities
Smaller is better. The distributed nature of a small advanced biofuel manufacturing facility network reduces feedstock supply risk, does not burden local water supplies and provides for broader based economic development. Each advanced biofuel manufacturing facility operating in Louisiana will produce no less than 5 million gallons of advanced biofuel per year and no more than 15 million gallons of advanced biofuel per year.
(3) Market Expansion
Advanced biofuel supply and demand shall be expanded beyond the 10% blend market by blending fuel-grade anhydrous ethanol with gasoline at the gas station pump. Variable blending pumps, directly installed and operated at local gas stations by a qualified small advanced biofuel manufacturing facility, shall offer the consumer a less expensive substitute for unleaded gasoline in the form of E10, E20, E30 and E85.
Pilot Programs
(1) Advanced Biofuel Variable Blending Pumps - The blending of fuels with advanced biofuel percentages between 10 percent and 85 percent will be permitted on a trial basis until January 1, 2012. During this period the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry Division of Weights & Measures will monitor the equipment used to dispense the ethanol blends to ascertain that the equipment is suitable and capable of producing an accurate measurement.
(2) Hydrous Ethanol - The use of hydrous ethanol blends of E10, E20, E30 and E85 in motor vehicles specifically selected for test purposes will be permitted on a trial basis until January 1, 2012. During this period the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry Division of Weights & Measures will monitor the performance of the motor vehicles. The hydrous blends will be tested for blend optimization with respect to fuel consumption and engine emissions. Preliminary tests conducted in Europe have proven that the use of hydrous ethanol, which eliminates the need for the hydrous-to-anhydrous dehydration processing step, results in an energy savings of between ten percent and forty-five percent during processing, a four percent product volume increase, higher mileage per gallon, a cleaner engine interior, and a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.
Please feel free to visit Renergie’s weblog (www.renergie.wordpress.com) for more information.
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Posted by: stagebandman on Jan 12, 2009 5:16 AM
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Many of you are playing right into the hands of the oil companies un-logic. Right now, ethanol is the best alternative we have, and we should be exploiting it completely.
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Posted by: Skrunge Worzle on Jan 12, 2009 6:07 AM
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Currently vast quantities of agricultural and human waste and bi-products are being discarded, or worse destroyed, when they should be being utilised as fuel.
Human and animal fecal matter, when treated properly produces usable methane and results in quality, high nitrogen natural composted fertilizer. Crops like sugar, corn, rice, wheat and others leave behind leaves and stalks that could so easily be converted to fuel, rather than being burned in the fields to contribute to pollution levels and rising CO2. The planet requires us to take a fresh look at the treatment of all our waste material.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 12, 2009 6:37 AM
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I heat my home using a stove that will burn either corn or wood pellets. It will also burn bio-mass pellets (I suppose these could be made from hemp) but I've never seen any of these for sale. I find that corn burns cleaner and hotter than wood so I prefer to burn corn rather than wood though I've used both.
I suppose by burning corn I am helping to take some land out of production that could conceivably be used for feeding people or cattle, but I am also helping to support a local farmer who grows it and delivers it to my home. I like dealing with him.
On the other hand, if I use wood pellets my choice is to buy them from Walmart, Home Depot or Lowes. In each of these three cases the wood pellets are shipped hundreds of miles, either from Quebec, Pennsylvania or Arkansas (I live in Maine).
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Posted by: ksun77 on Jan 12, 2009 6:52 AM
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Increased efficiency is the most effective way to save 90% of the energy we use. In the process, we stimulate economy with jobs, decrease global warming gasses and environmental pollutants of all kinds. Maybe there would be some hope for our kids and grandkids if we weren't so downright ignorant and greedy.
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Posted by: Canute on Jan 12, 2009 7:00 AM
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1) Growing plants
2) Transforming plants into a flammable liquid
3) Pouring the liquid into a fleet of millions of 4,000 lb. vehicles
4) One person in each vehicle
5) Driving 50-65 mph, 13,000 miles per year
...it just won't work. There isn't enough land, enough fertilizer, enough water, enough anything do keep a couple hundred million cars tooling around. Even if we could get past the requirements of the natural world we'd have half of our economy dedicated to fueling the other half.
Having written that, I'm with the poster above - biogas has the best energy return on investment (30:1 compared to 5:1 for biodiesel or 4:1 for cell. ethanol) and it uses (borrows, really) waste as a feedstock. It's just that we shouldn't think of biofuels as the grand solution that will allow us all to speed around in two-ton steel boxes forever.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 12, 2009 7:10 AM
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Stop crying about the price of tortillias. The corn used for ethanol production is "field corn". This type of corn is NOT used for human consumption! It is livestock feed.
And don't worry about "monoculture". In Nebraska where I live and farm, almost every farmer rotates corn with soybeans or some other crop yearly. I think some of you West Coast types think if you drove around out here you would see nothing but continuous fields of corn. WRONG! Only about half the land is in corn production. "Corn on corn" production is not used by most farmers.
And while you cry about the poor peasants in Mexico, please spare a thought for the family farmers who have seen the price of crop go down by half in the last few months.
I'll bet you have never been within a 100 miles of a corn field in your life.
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» RE: With no mention of hemp, this is just another fault-finding article.
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» WhuThe?- Hemp for food and fiber too! Same acre.
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 12, 2009 9:19 AM
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What about the rest of the farm subsidies? Many are at least, if not more wasteful than the moonshiners lobby!
I love a little liquor now and then. I also pay at least $14.00 per liter-and-a-half, and that's the cheap stuff I mix with soda. I suspect, if we turned off the federal teat, corn liquor (oh, ok, "the ethanol industry's") products would cost at least as much as I'm paying for my hooch down the street.
P.S. If we're going to subsidize moonshiners, I say we subsidize wacky-tobacky growers also. I'm not really THAT much into drugs of any kind, but dammit, my 14th amendment tells me we ought not to be 'skriminatin' agin' the producers of goods that maked uses more stupider.
And you can quote me on that. After a few shots...
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 12, 2009 9:22 AM
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No freaking way that I can fathom. Fructose, feed corn, tortilla's and taco bells, corn syrup, etc.
I am NOT calling the author a liar. As someone who grew up on a farm and then became a scientist, I'd just like to know where the author gets that data and I remain in my normal mode--skeptical until I get real information.
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Posted by: PabloKoh on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 AM
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Jerusalem Artichokes, Sugarcane, Sorghum Cane, Sugar beets and potatoes all yield considerably more ethanol per acre than corn. If you want to get really crazy look at cattails grown in sewage: 2500 gallons/acre and you use a source of waste to fertilize.
I disagree with what the author thinks the problem is. We have the solutions. We have the technology. We have the crops. We don't have the will to completely change our agricultural system in this country.
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Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Jan 12, 2009 10:28 AM
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We had one of the first operational aquaponics systems in Texas about twelve years ago. Aquaponics is a closed ecosystem wherein one can raise organic vegetables and farm raised fish in a mutually beneficial way. The fish effluent feeds the plants and the plants feed the fish while cleaning the water from the fish tanks and thus eliminating the need to discharge water downstream.
If one adds an algae gathering system to aquaponics, you then have a system that promotes organic food AND energy production with a minimum of energy cost.
Algae is already being tested as a source of bio. One of the problems with aquaponics was keeping the algae level down. If, instead, you promote algae growth with panels of fish effluent water exposed to sunlight then the algae would be easily harvestable.
It's a simple and elegant solution that is totally good for the environment and good for our food supply. It's a common sense solution so I doubt that it will be considered.
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Posted by: lewb on Jan 12, 2009 10:39 AM
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 PM
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Battery technology isn't where we want it to be, either. The best (and most expensive) car-appropriate batteries on the market today - all based on one or another lithium-based chemistry - can hold only a small fraction of the energy contained in a tank of gasoline.
But while the energy density of a given fuel is fixed, the energy density of batteries is not fixed. Nobody actually knows how much energy will eventually be stuffed into affordable batteries. What we do know is that every year, improvements in battery technology occur, and it's a hot area of research and development.
The future I'm hoping for is one where batteries become capable of holding *more* than the energy in a tank of gas. Much more. Imagine driving from Boston to San Francisco on a single charge, in a full-sized, comfortable family car. Impossible? Actually, it isn't. We don't know how to do it yet, but we do know that there are no laws of physics which would prevent us from achieving such high energy densities.
I think we'll get there. But we won't get there fast, and that means we have to worry about CO2 emissions, oil price volatility and dependency on foreign oil in the short to mid term. We need a bridge solution.
Corn ethanol has been thoroughly discredited as a contender. Here's hoping cellulosic sources prove to be more useful.
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jan 12, 2009 7:50 PM
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Posted by: Davian on Jan 13, 2009 1:17 AM
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Secondly, it is patently absurd to convert into fuel the forests we depend upon to absorb CO2 and bank carbon for centuries -- if allowed to --.
There's a lot of other good reasons to keep forests around too.
We have a time critical problem. Business as usual through compromises and half-measures is sure fire failure.
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Posted by: being734 on Jan 13, 2009 7:17 AM
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Also, virtually all of the land that can be cultivated is cultivated so I am not sure where the "marginal" land is that would grow all this hemp. Land that is not cultivated is in native or tame pastures and is in pasture because it is too dry or too sandy or rocky to grow anything but small amounts of grass. I know this because I live in the midst of it. All crops require fertilization now, except for grasslands where the harvest of material is very small and the animals return most of the nutrients back to the soil in the form of manure. Hemp is a cultivated crop, not a perennial. It requires planting and re-seeding yearly. Some grasses might be better alternatives as they are perennials. But when you remove nutrients you have to replace them. So some fertilizer, comparable to the amount of nutrients you remove, has to be used.
It saddens me that so many discussions around energy seem incapable of acknowledging that we need to reduce energy consumption dramatically. That is the way to begin solving our energy and environmental problems. Simply looking for a fix that lets us continue to use vast quantities of energy will inevitably create as many problems as it solves. Returning to the energy consumption rates of 50 years ago would be a start on this problem. I was a kid in the 1960s and we didn't live in caves, didn't freeze in the dark and did have cars. However, we didn't have leaf blowers, exotic vacations, and most people had never flown in an airplane. We didn't drive 2 blocks to the store, and we rode bikes and the bus when I went to university. Freshmen seldom owned cars and houses were small. And you know what? Life was pretty darn good.
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Posted by: C the B on Jan 13, 2009 9:07 AM
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Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp byproduct after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose – a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics and fibers. Depending on which U.S. agricultural report is correct, an acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from 4 to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane – the planet’s next highest annual cellulose plants.
In most places, hemp can be harvested twice a year and, in warmer areas such as Southern California, Texas, Florida and the like, it could be a year-round crop. Hemp has a short growing season and can be planted after food crops have been harvested.
An independent, semi-rural network of efficient and autonomous farmers should become the key economic player in the production of energy in this country.
The United States government pays (in cash or in “kind”) for farmers to refrain from growing on approximately 90 million acres of farmland each year, called the “soil bank.” And 10-90 million acres of hemp or other woody annual biomass planted on this restricted, unplanted fallow farm land would make energy a whole new ball game and be a real attempt at doing something to save the Earth. There are another 500 million marginal unplanted acres of farm land in America.
Each acre of hemp would yield 1,000 gallons of methanol, or 500 gallons of gasoline. Fuels from hemp, along with the recycling of paper, etc., would be enough to run America virtually without oil.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jan 13, 2009 3:15 PM
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What we are really looking at here in the bigger picture is making energy from the sun. Is there a better way to get to point a to point b than corn and ethanol>? Most certainly.
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Posted by: IndyElliott on Jan 14, 2009 12:23 AM
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"IUPUI Researcher closes in on..."
http://newscenter.iupui.edu/3654/_ Researcher-Closes-in-On-Ethanol-Breakthrough_ -that-Reduces-Need-to-Use-Corn-to-Make-Ethanol
(If you cut and paste the above take out the '_ 's)
This also may do the job:
http://newscenter.iupui.edu/3654
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Posted by: marsmath on Jan 15, 2009 5:28 PM
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Everthing should be on the table for discussion. All of the truths are there to be seen. They have been known for nearly a century, but have had the stench of propaganda obscurring them. Thank you H.J. Anslinger, Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, DuPont, Tricky Dick Nixon, I know I'm leaving out many more, but these guys really stand out.
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