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When Will Los Angeles Run Out of Water? Sooner Than You Think
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A shape with lion body and the head of a man
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
-- William Butler Yeats, "The Second Coming""
Los Angeles has been sleeping far too long. But the question is not when will it wake, but rather what it will do once it does wake and realize the water is gone.
"We are way better than Third-World countries with no water supply," explains California Department of Water Resources drought coordinator Wendy Martin, "but it will take a significant change to keep ours."
Martin is speaking of California at large, but the science is in and the climate crisis isn't hard to figure out. Water isn't a renewable resource, so that makes Los Angeles the state's parched yet still bloated problem.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the state's water reserves are nearly finished, which leaves California with two options: Pray for rain, or suck off Northern California's supply. Guess which one it's going to try first?
If you guessed both, you're right. Indeed, California will revive a decades-old plan for a statewide water bank that will flow water to where it is needed most. Right now that means it flows from Northern California farmers and others to agencies in Southern California, whose citizens have lately been engaging in Option Two rather than studying up on reality -- specifically, the geographical and environmental kind.
"We as a state entity looking out for the broader good," Department of Water Resources Director Lester Snow told the Times, "are not going to allow somebody to have 100 percent supplies and be hosing off sidewalks while a community has no fire protection and poor-quality water to drink."
He may not have mentioned Los Angeles by name, but anyone who has ever read Day of the Locust or seen "Chinatown" could tell you that Los Angeles has always been a managed fantasy. Like its redheaded stepchild Las Vegas, it's a consumption and recreation oasis in the desert running on Hollywood simulations and immigrant labor, which is to say distractions from its more geographical reality.
It has water on its beaches, but rarely anywhere else. For that, it has drained someone else's supply for centuries. Which brings us back to the future of Los Angeles, whose Sierra snowpack will likely evaporate under the weight of global warming's changed game.
With declining snowfall and earlier snowmelts, there is nothing Los Angeles can do but borrow someone else's water and get its hyperreal and hyperconsumptive act together. "Los Angeles doesn't treat water like it lives in a desert," explains Martin. "Our director made it clear that we would not impact Northern California so Southern California could wash off their driveways. People who are participating in the bank will have to be forced to change their behavior."
Behavior modification is the only way Los Angeles can extend, but not prevent, what some scientists are saying will be a permanent drought for not just the sunshine-and-noir metropolis but also for most, if not all, of the American Southwest. Sustainability exercises and policies will go a long way to mitigating the desert's reclamation of its lands from Hollywood and Hummers, but the Dust Bowl had nothing on what's coming to California. And it's coming to stay.
"I don't know what permanent drought even means," admits Martin. "We have recorded the history of water in California for over 100 years, and that's nothing. We don't know where we are at. But what permanent drought means to me is that if we are getting drier, then we need to change the way we use our water."
Martin suggests the usual no-brainers: Short showers, low-flow everything, no lawns, total conservation, and so on. But these are all wonderful solutions in search of a population that cares. A recent sustainability forum attended by Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, L.A. Department of Water and Power, Heal the Bay, and more was a wonderful outreach opportunity, with one all-important caveat: Attendance wasn't mandatory.
And therein lies California's problem, especially if it wants to prevent a NorCal/SoCal showdown over blue gold that could rewrite the state's borders. The drought that California, and especially Los Angeles, faces is a life-threatening crisis that has been treated like a cold. There is no corner of the city or state that it will not touch. If not treated immediately, it will start out as a serious pain in the ass, forcing citizens to alter their behavior and consumption with restrictive codes and financial penalties.
Then it will worsen, as the division between who gets water (the rich, the north) and who doesn't (the poor, the south) causes rampant itching and, as author Nathanael West predicted, lots of burning of lots of things.
Once malignant, it will force evacuations and realignments. By 2100, you will not recognize it. But even at this late date, I am watching the citizenry piss its water away, unaware of how it appeared in the first place. I see hybrids for sure, but also vacant mothers in empty Hummers.
I see water gushing into the gutters, carrying grime, toxins and other destructive chemicals into the sea, whose desalination remains one of Los Angeles' only playable cards on the hustler's table. I see extravagant lawns that are like gorgeously tended middle fingers to reality, which, like death and taxes always, has a way of winning in the end.
Most importantly, I see a public unready to accept the inevitable: That it lives in a desert, and that the desert is going dry with accelerating lethality. "I put this down to the myth of abundance that we all grew up with, coupled with a false First-World belief that technology can fix whatever goes wrong," says Maude Barlow, a water commodification and policy expert and the author of Blue Gold and Blue Covenant.
"We all learned long ago that water circles through the hydrologic cycle and we cannot destroy it, but this is patently false. Yet it is still held dear to our hearts. Now that the evidence is before our eyes, rather than changing our behavior, we trust that some modern machine will take care of us. We simply cannot come to think of ourselves as just another species that must adapt or die."
The good news is that eventually the planet takes care of these decisions for us if we don't act on them. Sustainability options are available, from the no-brainers mentioned by Martin to more ambitious exercises in solar development, water conservation and onward.
As the planet changes, so may its people, who have survived droughts and ice ages with ingenuity and hardiness. Indeed, the science of conservation is on the cusp of a cultural breakthrough, and the only thing that can stop it is, say, America nuking Iran or electing someone who will only push it harder down its destructive path. Which is why it is imperative that the United States, and its slumbering cities, get on the same page.
"What we are starting to see, and the science is supporting it over time," adds Martin, "is that the weather patterns are shifting and the trajectory is upward on continued diminishment. What we do know is that, because of the depletion of the aquifers, it will take a gully-washer to just get us back to square one. But we still abuse the resource, and we can't afford to do that anymore. People need to understand the true value of water. What amazes me is that it doesn't take much effort to do the right thing."
And that doesn't just go for the people, but also the politicians they elect to represent their best interests. And right now, that means taking control of what's left of California's water. The state will have to sooner or later, unless it wants to leave life's necessities to the stock market.
"The situation is such that the state may have to take control eventually of its water resources as a public trust, and allocate on a priority basis," counsels Barlow. "Water for ecological health of the system first, for drinking water and restricted daily use for citizens, water for local food production, and water for commerce and export last. As for water trading, I warn people against allowing it to become controlled by private brokers."
But you can't commodify what you can't capture, and the public and the brokers that rip it off won't have gushing taps forever. Again, behavior modification will only postpone the inevitable. Eventually, Los Angeles will walk off into the sunset a desert reclaimed. Like other desert cities, it may survive the transformative upheaval, but it will have to suck water from sand to stay alive in its current state. Water wasters might want to get to work on finding a new state. Of mind, if possible.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 4, 2008 1:39 AM
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Rooftop capture and storage of every building, large and small, could greatly mitigate the problem. In order to get ready, Los Angeles and California must mandate that all new construction must incorporate rooftop runoff capture with significant storage. All permits for modification of existing structures should mandate that capture be incorporated as well.
Xeriscaping, drip irrigation, and recycling of gray-water for gardening and the yard need to also be mandatory. The days of the hissing of summer lawns should have stopped a long time ago.
There is more, but the space is limited.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 4, 2008 6:37 AM
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Why should we not apply this same kind of thinking to Los Angeles? When ocean levels rise they will be facing the same predicament. But even now, why should anyone bail out these people who foolishly built all of their swimming pools and fountains out in the desert? They made their choices so let them live with the results.
Let me say that I don't buy into this kind of thinking, and I do think that this country should return to concern for our interdependence. White and black people in Los Angeles really do warrant our concern but so do black and white people in New Orleans. Right now, the people in New Orleans are suffering much more than are the people in Los Angeles.
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» Since when is LA republican?
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» Ok, Orange County
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» Desalination would be great. Too bad neither party tries.
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» De-salination -- a technological fix?
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Posted by: jimidee on Oct 4, 2008 9:15 AM
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There are limits to growth...a fact that seems to escape most city engineers and planners. Water is a huge one. It will not be long before there will be huge ghost towns in the southwest.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Oct 4, 2008 1:21 PM
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All climate studies point to most of California, not just the L.A. area, resembling something more like Baja California in less than one hundred years. We will lose the slow melting snow caps from the mountains that have historically fed rivers in all of California, not just those in L.A. People will clamor for water that simply won't BE there. (remember how crazy people get when they can't get gasoline? Imagine when they can't get water) This will give rise to huge migrations of people and displacement of those into whose lands they all move to where the pressure of their numbers will likely lead to the L.A.-ification of wherever they go.
We need to realize that we've fucked things up pretty badly and a lot of people, like MOST of the current human population of the planet, good and bad, are going to die early as we deal with it. If we're lucky it will only be from lack of water. If the research on catastrophic quantities of methane gas now held in check by permafrost is correct and it gets released into the atmosphere because we just gotta keep using those fossil fuels and the permafrost melts, we'll be gassed by the billions along with every other living thing we recognize. Events like this have happened in geological history where entire geological eras filled with the life forms unique to them were killed off almost entirely... and we are rapidly bringing about a repeat as we go about warming the planet because we just gotta run that ATV, that dirt bike, that water skii, that groovy SUV, that speed boat or luxury power yaght, that chain saw, that weed whacker, lawn mower. As long as we see driving millions of individual cars and trucks as somehow symbolic of our "freedom" and resist attempts to build bullet trains, light rail and other mass transit that would result in using a fraction of the energy consumption to move the same amout of people, we hasten the day where all of this "civilization", this thing we depend upon and are so proud of will be sun bleached ruins like so many before.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Oct 4, 2008 1:59 PM
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cotton (not grown so much in l.a. but in arizona - also desert area with too many people and facing mounting water issues) is also a colossal waste of water - better to replace cotton fields with hemp fields.
and while were at it - maybe FARMS need to be the ones installing rainwater and gray water capture systems.
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Posted by: WaterSource on Oct 4, 2008 3:11 PM
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"Wreckthenation" ... failure to cooperate when the offer is made to lease the unused space in Lake Mead to store a million acre feet of non-tributary water a year to maintain the generation of 2000 megawatts of renewable energy for those already suffering from Californication.
Necessity is the Mother of Invention...provided you can overcome Californication.
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Posted by: EJW on Oct 4, 2008 3:30 PM
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The greatest help to us would be greywater systems and porus asphalt so that what little rain we get doesn't just run into the ocean. There are many ways that LA could be made more self-sufficient but they will all require considerable government help to implement. Solar on every roof would be a good start, I'd love it but can't afford it yet. I don't water my yard, only my garden and fruit trees and would love a greywater system to do so but it is illegal and expensive.
I don't understand this attitude towards Los Angeles, why not New York, or Chicago?
While not a forrest or plain or swamp, LA is no desert.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 4, 2008 11:25 PM
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Hell, the Governator wants to borrow $5 Billion from the Feds just to keep our schools open and our prisons operating. California is now in deep doo-doo compared with the wanton spending of previous administrations. And with all that spending, little was done about the borderline conditions in back bay Frisco. One decent-sized earthquake there, or anywhere down the central canal, would kick the living sh*t out of SoCal’s water situation.
bUT look at what the US is doing about global warming! Not didly squat. More CO2 this year than was expected. Maybe the British physicist who says 2/3 of our current world population will be gone by the end of this century will prove to be right. No one's listening.
Seems we’d be happy to drink their blood, if there ain’t enough water.
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Posted by: savvysearch on Oct 5, 2008 5:11 AM
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Most of the world's largest cities import their water from great distances those we assume have an abundant supply of water like San Francisco and NYC, so it's a problem not exclusive to LA and is something the whole world will have to adapt to in the coming decades.
One solution is desalination which may be expensive but water is already undervalued as it is. A more practical solution is water conservation which the city has to implement forcefully on it's citizens to be effective. That means raising the price of water and restricting allocation. It's impossible to get people to conserve on their own no matter how much is preached about the value of water.
But there are things happening in southern California that were wholly ignored by this article, but are real significant strides in addressing the water issue. Orange County went live with the world's largest sewage water reclamation project in the country which was greeted with universal praise and has recently won the Stockholm water award. The project is expected to serve 20% of the county's residents. LA plans to revive their own ambitious recycled water project based on the success of Orange County. San Diego recently approved a large scale desalination project with another to follow in Orange County. This is evidence that California is just beginning to "wake up" to the issues it faces in the future.
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CLICK HERE: Another suspected homicide cover-up? Is this linked to terrorism?
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Posted by: Greg2008 on Oct 5, 2008 5:39 PM
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What she CAN say accurately is that we can and do make water unreclaimable, for all practical purposes; we take water out of the natural cycle, make it unavailable for our use or that of natural systems. One example: we draw down aquifers much faster than they can be replenished. Communities dependent on the Ogallala aquifer (high plains of the U.S.) may be in serious trouble because the aquifer is dropping as water is drawn out much faster than it is replaced.
But we do not destroy water per se.
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 5, 2008 6:28 PM
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Until the owning class changes, no one else is allowed to.
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Posted by: davidzet on Oct 5, 2008 7:20 PM
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Read about it at my blog, aguanomics.com.
As for Barlow, the more I hear her say, the less I think she understands about capitalism and competition. Government is a much scarier beast (and monopolist) to me!
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Posted by: jakewegmann on Oct 7, 2008 5:42 PM
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I suspect that a lot of other places in America could not make the same claim.
Is it true that LA, California and the American Southwest face huge water supply problems in the coming decades? Absolutely. But is LA a particularly egregious offender that is far worse than SF, Denver, Tucson, Miami or any number of other places? No way.
I'm not saying that there aren't undeniable problems; but I do object to the unmistakeable tone of glee in the predictions that LA, which somehow isn't a "real" city, that somehow "shouldn't be there," will dry up and go away. Maybe, but then so will SF, New York, Madrid, and any number of other places that pull water from dozens of miles away.
(I live in San Francisco, by the way, home of the Northern California moral superiority complex.)
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 4, 2008 1:39 AM
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Rooftop capture and storage of every building, large and small, could greatly mitigate the problem. In order to get ready, Los Angeles and California must mandate that all new construction must incorporate rooftop runoff capture with significant storage. All permits for modification of existing structures should mandate that capture be incorporated as well.
Xeriscaping, drip irrigation, and recycling of gray-water for gardening and the yard need to also be mandatory. The days of the hissing of summer lawns should have stopped a long time ago.
There is more, but the space is limited.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 4, 2008 6:37 AM
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Why should we not apply this same kind of thinking to Los Angeles? When ocean levels rise they will be facing the same predicament. But even now, why should anyone bail out these people who foolishly built all of their swimming pools and fountains out in the desert? They made their choices so let them live with the results.
Let me say that I don't buy into this kind of thinking, and I do think that this country should return to concern for our interdependence. White and black people in Los Angeles really do warrant our concern but so do black and white people in New Orleans. Right now, the people in New Orleans are suffering much more than are the people in Los Angeles.
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» Since when is LA republican?
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» Desalination would be great. Too bad neither party tries.
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» De-salination -- a technological fix?
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» Reduce population? Start with yourself then.
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» Great Idea Zoza
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Posted by: jimidee on Oct 4, 2008 9:15 AM
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There are limits to growth...a fact that seems to escape most city engineers and planners. Water is a huge one. It will not be long before there will be huge ghost towns in the southwest.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Oct 4, 2008 1:21 PM
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All climate studies point to most of California, not just the L.A. area, resembling something more like Baja California in less than one hundred years. We will lose the slow melting snow caps from the mountains that have historically fed rivers in all of California, not just those in L.A. People will clamor for water that simply won't BE there. (remember how crazy people get when they can't get gasoline? Imagine when they can't get water) This will give rise to huge migrations of people and displacement of those into whose lands they all move to where the pressure of their numbers will likely lead to the L.A.-ification of wherever they go.
We need to realize that we've fucked things up pretty badly and a lot of people, like MOST of the current human population of the planet, good and bad, are going to die early as we deal with it. If we're lucky it will only be from lack of water. If the research on catastrophic quantities of methane gas now held in check by permafrost is correct and it gets released into the atmosphere because we just gotta keep using those fossil fuels and the permafrost melts, we'll be gassed by the billions along with every other living thing we recognize. Events like this have happened in geological history where entire geological eras filled with the life forms unique to them were killed off almost entirely... and we are rapidly bringing about a repeat as we go about warming the planet because we just gotta run that ATV, that dirt bike, that water skii, that groovy SUV, that speed boat or luxury power yaght, that chain saw, that weed whacker, lawn mower. As long as we see driving millions of individual cars and trucks as somehow symbolic of our "freedom" and resist attempts to build bullet trains, light rail and other mass transit that would result in using a fraction of the energy consumption to move the same amout of people, we hasten the day where all of this "civilization", this thing we depend upon and are so proud of will be sun bleached ruins like so many before.
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» Again with the Desert thing....
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» Koppen Climate Map
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Oct 4, 2008 1:59 PM
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cotton (not grown so much in l.a. but in arizona - also desert area with too many people and facing mounting water issues) is also a colossal waste of water - better to replace cotton fields with hemp fields.
and while were at it - maybe FARMS need to be the ones installing rainwater and gray water capture systems.
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Posted by: WaterSource on Oct 4, 2008 3:11 PM
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"Wreckthenation" ... failure to cooperate when the offer is made to lease the unused space in Lake Mead to store a million acre feet of non-tributary water a year to maintain the generation of 2000 megawatts of renewable energy for those already suffering from Californication.
Necessity is the Mother of Invention...provided you can overcome Californication.
Ray Walker (Retired Water Rights Analyst) waterrdw@yahoo.com
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Posted by: EJW on Oct 4, 2008 3:30 PM
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The greatest help to us would be greywater systems and porus asphalt so that what little rain we get doesn't just run into the ocean. There are many ways that LA could be made more self-sufficient but they will all require considerable government help to implement. Solar on every roof would be a good start, I'd love it but can't afford it yet. I don't water my yard, only my garden and fruit trees and would love a greywater system to do so but it is illegal and expensive.
I don't understand this attitude towards Los Angeles, why not New York, or Chicago?
While not a forrest or plain or swamp, LA is no desert.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 4, 2008 11:25 PM
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Hell, the Governator wants to borrow $5 Billion from the Feds just to keep our schools open and our prisons operating. California is now in deep doo-doo compared with the wanton spending of previous administrations. And with all that spending, little was done about the borderline conditions in back bay Frisco. One decent-sized earthquake there, or anywhere down the central canal, would kick the living sh*t out of SoCal’s water situation.
bUT look at what the US is doing about global warming! Not didly squat. More CO2 this year than was expected. Maybe the British physicist who says 2/3 of our current world population will be gone by the end of this century will prove to be right. No one's listening.
Seems we’d be happy to drink their blood, if there ain’t enough water.
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Posted by: savvysearch on Oct 5, 2008 5:11 AM
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Most of the world's largest cities import their water from great distances those we assume have an abundant supply of water like San Francisco and NYC, so it's a problem not exclusive to LA and is something the whole world will have to adapt to in the coming decades.
One solution is desalination which may be expensive but water is already undervalued as it is. A more practical solution is water conservation which the city has to implement forcefully on it's citizens to be effective. That means raising the price of water and restricting allocation. It's impossible to get people to conserve on their own no matter how much is preached about the value of water.
But there are things happening in southern California that were wholly ignored by this article, but are real significant strides in addressing the water issue. Orange County went live with the world's largest sewage water reclamation project in the country which was greeted with universal praise and has recently won the Stockholm water award. The project is expected to serve 20% of the county's residents. LA plans to revive their own ambitious recycled water project based on the success of Orange County. San Diego recently approved a large scale desalination project with another to follow in Orange County. This is evidence that California is just beginning to "wake up" to the issues it faces in the future.
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Posted by: themarla on Oct 5, 2008 3:48 PM
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CLICK HERE: Another suspected homicide cover-up? Is this linked to terrorism?
CLICK HERE: Shhhh... its a secret!
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Posted by: Greg2008 on Oct 5, 2008 5:39 PM
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What she CAN say accurately is that we can and do make water unreclaimable, for all practical purposes; we take water out of the natural cycle, make it unavailable for our use or that of natural systems. One example: we draw down aquifers much faster than they can be replenished. Communities dependent on the Ogallala aquifer (high plains of the U.S.) may be in serious trouble because the aquifer is dropping as water is drawn out much faster than it is replaced.
But we do not destroy water per se.
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 5, 2008 6:28 PM
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Until the owning class changes, no one else is allowed to.
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Posted by: davidzet on Oct 5, 2008 7:20 PM
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Read about it at my blog, aguanomics.com.
As for Barlow, the more I hear her say, the less I think she understands about capitalism and competition. Government is a much scarier beast (and monopolist) to me!
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Posted by: magicmarker44 on Oct 6, 2008 5:36 PM
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http://treepeople.org/vfp.dll?OakTree~getPage~&PNPK=207
Are our cities beyond repair? TreePeople doesn’t think so. As part of its Natural Urban Systems Group, TreePeople has been involved in the implementation of several retrofits designed to restore the natural functions of urban sites. From single-family homes to large public sites such as schools and parks, we’ve helped show that integrating nature’s cycles into the urban landscape is not only technically and financially feasible but also highly desirable for individuals and cities alike.
By incorporating stormwater best management practices (BMPs) such as swales, retention grading, cisterns, infiltrators and strategically-planted trees in building and landscaping designs, a multitude of benefits can be realized, including: improved water quality; a decreased risk of flooding; a reduced need for water importation; heat-island effect mitigation; a reduction in contributions to global climate change; and an augmented supply of local groundwater. These are just some of the benefits that are possible when urban sites are allowed to work in concert with nature’s cycles of flood, drought and waste – and together, they create a sharp improvement in the quality of life in the neighborhoods in which we live, learn, work and play.
The newly published report Rainwater as a Resource shares the details of utilizing these concepts and sheds light on the many opportunities to implement the wide array of available technologies. We encourage you to peruse this report to learn more about using these principles as a means of moving cities closer to sustainability.
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Posted by: jakewegmann on Oct 7, 2008 5:42 PM
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I suspect that a lot of other places in America could not make the same claim.
Is it true that LA, California and the American Southwest face huge water supply problems in the coming decades? Absolutely. But is LA a particularly egregious offender that is far worse than SF, Denver, Tucson, Miami or any number of other places? No way.
I'm not saying that there aren't undeniable problems; but I do object to the unmistakeable tone of glee in the predictions that LA, which somehow isn't a "real" city, that somehow "shouldn't be there," will dry up and go away. Maybe, but then so will SF, New York, Madrid, and any number of other places that pull water from dozens of miles away.
(I live in San Francisco, by the way, home of the Northern California moral superiority complex.)
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