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War on Iraq

Echoes of Vietnam: VA Stalls, Dissembles While Vets Suffer and Die

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted July 4, 2008.


The latest episode of the Department of Veterans Affairs' callous denial of veterans' suffering is a continuation of a long tradition.
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On June 10, U.S. District Judge Samuel Conti ordered the Department of Veterans Affairs back into court. Conti is presiding over a lawsuit brought by veterans against the VA, charging the agency with systematically denying veterans the services and support they so desperately need. Conti demanded that the VA explain why it had failed to produce certain critical (and incriminating) documents.

Among those documents was an e-mail written by the now-infamous Norma Perez. It read: "Given that we have more and more compensation-seeking veterans, I'd like to suggest that you refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight out. Consider a diagnosis of adjustment disorder, R/O [ruling out] PTSD."

Bob Filner, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, said it was inconceivable that a low-level staffer like Perez could have written such an e-mail on her own authority. Barack Obama called it "unacceptable" and "tantamount to fraud." John McCain called it "not too important."

Lost somehow in the high-decibel rhetoric of the moment is a historical dimension of this story that I think deserves some attention. This is not the first time the VA has acted as adversary rather than advocate. Thirty years ago, almost to the day, Max Cleland, then head of the VA, circulated an equally directive memo to his staff that read:

In view of the remaining uncertainties on the long-term effects of the defoliants, all VA personnel should avoid premature commitment to any diagnosis of defoliant poisoning. Similarly, entries in medical records should not contain statements about the relationship between a veteran's illnesses and defoliant exposure unless unequivocal confirmation of such a connection has been established.

(The defoliants Cleland refers to were Agent Orange and other dioxin-based chemicals the United States sprayed over Vietnam.)

In the meantime, Cleland instructed VA staff to deny all Agent Orange claims. He also refused to undertake any kind of epidemiological study because, he claimed, the necessary outreach to veterans would only cause them "needless anxiety."

Then, as now, veterans' "anxiety" was a hot topic at the VA. In testimony before the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in February 1980, Cleland justified the agency's practice of first, and often exclusively, giving veterans with dioxin-related symptoms psychiatric exams. Obviously, he explained to the committee, if "in FY 1979, 46 percent (of veterans) had received care for psychiatric disorders," that proved, ipso facto, that psychiatric care was what they needed. They were suffering from "post-Vietnam syndrome." All their symptoms were in their heads. Veterans tried to sue the VA over its "no health effects" policy, but the agency took the rather astonishing position that veterans had "no standing" to challenge the policies. They were allowed to sue the chemical manufacturers, but not the U.S. government, the entity that bought the poison and ordered it spread -- in concentrations four times that recommended for civilian use and with total disregard for the health and safety of its own soldiers and Vietnamese citizens. Veterans' lawyers suggested that the VA's position would lead "to a government of men, not law."

A prescient observation.

In a manner usually associated with totalitarian regimes, veterans were called "crazy" and thus dismissed, stigmatized and silenced. Paul Reutershan, who courageously initiated the class-action lawsuit against the chemical companies in 1978, told a television audience at the time, "My government killed me in Vietnam, and I didn't even know it." Five months later, Reutershan was permanently silenced when he died of his illnesses. The longer the VA stalled, the more veterans died.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide, and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day 2006. Her website is Flashback.

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We need to realize a few truths
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 4, 2008 1:16 AM   
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The truth is we have people running the government that don't believe in government unless they are getting hand-outs (think nobid contracts, Haliburton overcharging for services not provided, etc).

We the people have bought the line "that government is the problem" this hook,line, and sinker. We have no even begun to reap the benefits from those lies. Therefore when you hear that the Dept. of Defense has this huge bloated budget just know that most of that money is going to that military-industrial-complex not to the troops.

The V.A. being a government office run by cronyism has been severely underfunded for many, many years. Did you know there is a body chart with percentages for each limb that can be affected (below the knee amputation=8% for example), no I'm not kidding.

The V.A. does need to be overhauled but this is what happens when we allow the fox to guard the henhouse. The children that we have allowed to go and fight this war are being damaged, and yet we know nothing and want to believe what the "politians" tell us.

Know this in order to enter the military all recruits are subjected to a battery of tests both before they enter and while in boot camp. This is where those with "issues" are weeded out. To say that these young men and women are coming back and they are being summarily ousted and then told that they had these problems before they went in is really a travesty.

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Business as usual
Posted by: nonaste on Jul 4, 2008 3:48 AM   
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The creatures that control the government of this country have a long standing tradition of screwing over veterans.

McCain is a piece of right-wing s**t, plain and simple.

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» RE: Business as usual Posted by: cherylholmes
Take a Stroll Through Walter Reed....
Posted by: Turiye on Jul 4, 2008 4:28 AM   
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When our sons and daughters come home as we did from Vietnam, they are met with indifference, diagnosed by those that have absolutely no degrees in specializing in the Diagnoses, purposely underscored so they receive a low amount of disability, zero long term care and usually have the wrong meds. Ergo they run out of money and meds, wind up on the streets, self medicate and normally commit suicide.
There is a bill in the house which was passed on to the Senate so now it's in the Military Committee, subcommittee Military Personnel, I do not have the bill number and I have thousands of bill Text in my computer room, so I think it is H.R.2187, go to thomas.gov and search using bill text, use the words "Temporary Moratorium on Active Duty returning for 45 days until complete disgnosis by trained Personnel" and that should get you there, I will go through my documents and find it, I will also give you 2 Toll frees so you can call your Reps. and Senators, see if they are on Committee of Miltary, subcommittee Military Personnel, thanks.

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Giving Up On America!
Posted by: wgriff3245 on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 AM   
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When I took my discharge physical in August 1975, from the USAF, I was told that I was I perfect health. As I later found out, nothing could have been further from the truth, and the doctors knew it. Although, I had served one tour in Southeast Asia (NKP, Thailand) fron 1973 -74, I remember asking the question on several occasions "why nothing ever grew on the perimeter, even though we where in the middle of the jungle." In the past ten years, I now know why. The use of a highly toxic form of "Agent Orange" was use "Extensively throughout Thailand" by the military (Army and Air Force) in order to establish air bases in a rapid manner. This callous use of this poison is now taking a heavy toll on all of the so called "Vietnam Era Vets" and the children of those that served throughout the entire Southeast Asian front. We are now suffering and dying from some of the most heirendous illnesses, including diabetes, neurological ailment, and a whole list of cancers.

What is our nation, our government, or the military doing? Absolutely nothing. I have come to the conclusion that the US Government and the US military has turned it's collective backs on us so-called REMF's with their "Boots On The Ground" policy and the "Feres Doctrine", therefore I have turned my back on it. I have requested that the flag of the murders, not cover my coffin. Until, that final day, I will talk to any young person who is considering a stint in the military and informed them about the real reason why the US want them to serve in the military. To let them know that those who serve and give the most, will in the end get noththing. Let those that benefit the most serve and die for this country. We all died in Southeast Asia, and this nation did have the balls to tell us. I no longer refer to myself as a Veteran but as a "Murder Victim". Call it what you will, this nation is a disgrace.

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» RE: Giving Up On America! Posted by: revdr72741
Terrytom
Posted by: terryton on Jul 4, 2008 7:31 AM   
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I am not a veteran. I was thankfully unfit other wise I would have fled somewhere because I wouldn’t have any part of the Vietnam lie or any war since. The current criminal action is the worst ever. Yet I care deeply for those who serve. I have failed to make them understand how they have been deceived. As I read the comments here it is clear how prophetic knowledge I gained in 1970 truly was. I never had any doubt. I was proudly involved in the first Earth Day April 22nd 1970. One of the issues I learned about was that of Agent Orange and other similar chemicals. Some scientists warned of how dreadful would be the effects of that shit. I recall well and often restate what one scientist said about it. To paraphrase; he said that humankind might be altered for all time by such insane widespread use of that stuff. He said it might take one hundred years or more but the birth defects and genetic diseases would spread worldwide. God forgive America, it shall come to pass. We must stop this nonsense and take care of our veterans and their families.

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Bob Handy
Posted by: bobhandy on Jul 4, 2008 8:22 AM   
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Recently Federal District Judge Samuel Conti decided in the class action lawsuit in which we (Veterans United For Truth and Veterans for Common Sense) were plaintiffs, that the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) was failing in many cases in providing mental health services to returning veterans. Unfortunately he also decided that he did not have jurisdiction at his level to compel changes in the DVA’s procedures.

While we are disappointed with Judge Conti's decision that he lacked jurisdiction, and do not agree that we did not prove the “systemic” nature of these problems, this outcome is far from being all bad. We knew that it was a crap shoot going in, but we were sure that he had the necessary jurisdiction. We also knew that no matter how he decided, the case would most likely end up before the Supreme Court. Of course we had hoped to be defending Judge Conti's decision against an appeal by the DVA; now we will be appealing his decision in the Ninth Circuit.

When we started out, we knew that we were in it for the long haul. We won round one, just by getting the case heard in federal court, since the DVA and the Department of Justice both attempted multiple times to have us disqualified as plaintiffs, and denied that the federal court had any right even to examine DVA procedures and policies..

We lost part of round two. It may be a setback, but it succeeded in large part since Judge Conti’s ruling expressed agreement with much of our complaint. Additionally The DVA has been exposed not only to the Congress, but also to the national and international media, who have stepped up their reporting on the shoddy treatment that the VA has been providing to returning veterans, and to the repeated delay and denial of service by the DVA..

Americas veterans will be forever in the debt of Morrison & Foerster, LLP and Disability Rights Advocates, the two law firms that took on the DVA pro bono.


Bob Handy, HMC USN (Ret)
Chair, Veterans United For Truth. Inc
www.vuft.org
PO Box 4476
Santa Barbara Ca 93140
805 962 9082
805 455 5259 cell

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Deja Vue All Over Again...
Posted by: michaelo on Jul 4, 2008 1:07 PM   
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This is getting really - really old: In 1982 the conditions at the VA hospital reached a peak of intolerance and Vietnam Vet Jim Hopkins drove his jeep thru the overlyexpensive windowed entrance to Wadsworth VA hospital, shot up the lobby, and was drug out of the lobby screaming "Agent Orange has destroyed my mind." What followed is the ONLY thing that POWER understands: Direct action and community uproar and organization.

As deep as the empathy we have for the Vets of then and now, only the Vets can vanguard the action necessary to put an end to the cruel, callous negligence of Congress, the Senate and thus, the VA and military hospital system that treats them as "spent cartridges."

Until the day that the Vets say "basta," "enough" and march on Congress (forget the dictator in the White House - he is a coward and a traitor,)and the Senate, participating in non-violent direct action, organizing the support that is waiting for them in EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS NATION...nothing ---- nothing will change -- Obama included.

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» RE: Deja Vue All Over Again... Posted by: douglashoyt
None of you people saw this coming . . .?
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:18 AM   
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No one here saw this coming with the "all-volunteer" army? You really don't see the difference between the veteran returning from Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom and other wars? Do you really think we'd be in Iraq yet, had the Pentagon to get bodies to ship to Iraq by way of a draft?

Our men and women in uniform get the treatment they get both over there and once they come home all f----- up for the same reason we're still over there - because only their families and other vets (like me) really give a damn.

People like the author of this article will pay lip service, while everything stays the same. As I remarked concerning another essay here, capitalism is about profit and minimizing expense. Medical expenses are costly in a nation where a doctor gets more for an hour of his time than a soldier gets in a week (or a social security recipient gets in a month); where do you think the govbernment run like a corporation will cut expenses?

And lip service is cheap by comparison, too.

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P.S. my last:
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Stick another yellow ribbon decal on your car.

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Disability is presumed to exist.
Posted by: 8 nontheist on Jul 5, 2008 4:07 PM   
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If the US Congress passed legislation that PTSD, or other disabilities, must be presumed to exist, rated as 100% service connected, the VA wouldn't have an wiggle room. The VA would have to treat the veteran & pay the veteran compensation at once. It was done after WW II. VA officals who rate disabilities or are Rehab Counsellors still grouse about that unless the veteran tells the VA employee to shut up & get back to work on his case. Note to vets: make sure you have a copy of the VA's letter rating you as 100% sc when you do it.
Congress will also have to fully fund the VA. Directing the VA to pay for care in a community facility when the VA doesn't have a bed for the veteran, staff to treat the veteran properly, or a VA facility is more than 30 miles from the veterans home will prevent the VA from using any pretext for not providing a veteran all benefits due to the veteran at once. The VA has earned a reputation for not hiring adequate staff promptly & unreasonable delays in building or remodeling VA facilities.
Allowing & encouraging the veteran to get care in the veterans community prevents undue absences from family & the VA warehousing veterans as the VA had done in the past.
The Congress should consider allowing liberal benefits to VA employees to separate burnt out &/or time servers. Then the VA could hire employees who make serving veterans their mission. The Congress will have to closely monitor the VA to prevent the VA from backsliding into old anti-veteran attitudes & practices such as cronyism & time serving. When the VA hires contractors to examine &/or rate a veterans disability claims, special care must be taken so the VA doesn't practice cronyism by hiring former associates or friends.
This isn't the time to portion blame to the executive or legislative branches for allowing the VA to become unresponsive to a veteran's needs & welfare. To put it very mildly, the VA hasn't been user or consumer friendly for many years. The VA must be reformed & rebuilt to serve veterans promptly & properly.

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TEST THE REST !!
Posted by: bobjbax on Jul 5, 2008 10:51 PM   
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1950-1997. MilJetGun (air vaccination guns)were used on tens of millions of our kids serving. Often with liquid blood from those ahead in the cattle chute, dripping off those guns onto the floor. In my experience of it, 1969, I was not the only one who strongly protested, and in my case demanded they clean and sterilize it. I was 20 years old and not a medical student, neither was the Philly Ghetto fellow two ahead of me, he was on the floor with two diGaurds on top of him. I was cornered against those up against me from behind, and the MedCo MilGoon manhandled my face and it dripping a bloody froth, shot me with it. Even if no blood is visible, the principle of their air/ablation operation aerosolizes the victims tissues and bodily fluids back onto the contact disc, joining the bloody potpourri for those following in the chute. That, as in those ahead of you, will be in sufficient part to infect you with whatever anyone ahead has, as the vaccine jet carries it into your arm with what, often ironically, is MedCo vaccine (read venom) experiments that in themselves were extremely dangerous to US. Lightning could strike twice in the same place, infectious blood injected into you, and perhaps a severe adverse reaction to the venom itself. And did. Eventually, many of US were ill, my self quite quickly. They cannot say, any one of the likely many hundreds of thousands of its medical actors over the decades of that forced practice, assault, that they were not fully aware of the grotesque, ordered, lack of cleanliness and with the worst possible thing that uncleanliness might be, the blood of many others. The Nam "police action" in the books anyway was 1963-1975. During this stretch, several times the length of what we believe was WWII, probably 7 million kids were shot with those bloody things at least once, the 'guv' refusing to acknowledge its consequences and statistics because of their criminalities in it. They knew, most certainly so, we kids knew it in a flash when we rounded the corner and surprise, no time to much assess anything about it, shot and shoved outside. 7 Million. No 'guv' statistics. Privates like HCV.com worked hard, with many others and have those statistics and as more numbers come in, they worsen. Currently it is known that 67% of 'in country' Nam kids serving, have HCV. Of those many, the great majority who were not Nam 'in country', the figures presently are about 1 in 5. Overall, 50-97, it is not as well counted and known as yet, about 1 in ten. For 7 million kids though, meat on the hook, CorpseCo killer bait, their odds were not as good in those lines should it have been instead a six shooter with one bullet in the cylinder spun, then snapped at their head. 1 out of 6. Before the dragon is done with its viral work, far more of the kids who served, most unconstitutionally conscripted, but serving honorably under foul conditions, will be dead and badly so from being shot with those MilJetGuns, than the bullets from Uncle Ho's freedom fighters with their AK47s. Illusion ~ Delusion. Since the Nam era, if you raise your head and speak out, you immediately get PsychoWhacked and PsychoDrugged. Too many of US, shamed by them in our hour of need back then, let their spin stand and submitted to a Psycho 'diagnosing' them as Insane & Incompetent. Sign here. You'll get a little check in the mail. Take your free taxpayer drugs, they are for your own good. Very smoothly done but.. Shut up! Or else. No one would 'hear' you then, you were some 'effected' NamNut and must be socially avoided, or in court impugned by LegalSmeagles over that 'diagnosis'. Testimony disallowed, one way or the other. All that failing them, and not often so, they pull the Feres Doctrine bunny out of their judges robes. (continued next)

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TEST THE REST !!
Posted by: bobjbax on Jul 5, 2008 11:00 PM   
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(continuance) You can't fight city hall, they'll kill you. Chimaerous Dragon. Slow, of 'that diagnosis' being cruelly rejected by your social fabric is a terrible betrayal for a young person just coming out of those war infernos, illness and weakness deepening, finally onto the inside track to the boneman's door, homeless. And no longer a problem, for these many criminals, or most tragically your betrayals as a society, looking away from them, not wanting to know the truth, just what the toob cadence flickered with its forked tongue of light into your minds. Where does collaboration begin.. where does it end? Yes. You. I know. I've been around all these years too. About time you woke up, if you are not already dead. Never mind your sorry asses though, what about our kids serving right now. Somewhere this minute, they are lined up in a chute literally or some other covert circumstance, being converted into 'long term MedCo experiment profit packages'. Slow profit bullets tearing through their flesh for years or decades ahead now too, darkening their lives and prospects, if they even survive the military. Most scabrous of all, PsychoWhacking and PsychoDrugging them into submission with social stigma attached. The VA is nothing more than the lab monkey cage experimenter's end who continue these scabrous and very 'profitable' 'long term studies', to their terminal ends. $$$ The things they assault our kids with are incredible, and not made known to them, that being just as important to these criminals, the further perfecting of their poisonous 'stealths'. Nothing more than poisoners. You don't see it coming, you don't know what it is except that it is very unusual in the sense of what you know and read of human ailments, the doctors smile but they won't effectively help you, won't 'hear' you, and will enforce it on you if they have to. They do. The criminal 'art', not be known to you. They can see you.. but you can't see them. Or prove anything. Slowly plunging, some even literally rotting, ticking ticking ticking into 'green about the gills' illness. That won't end. Your kids serving, right now. D U feel a bit weak in the knees? STOP ALL THIS RIGHT NOW!! TEST THE REST!! FULLY PROSECUTE ALL WHO ARE GUILTY OF IT!! ALL OF THEM!! They are poisoners, of you and your kids, they have so spun US all, it leaves me incredulous. Perhaps it seems now, you are beginning to think for yourselves, beginning to 'hear'. TEST THE REST!! SAVE THEM ALL!! NOW!! Let's see what comes crawling out from under $inator $muck's rock. Death's face. Don't be late. Someone's life is in danger, right now. Might be yours. BobbyBaxter ~ $Calculated$ MilJetGun HCV CrossInfection Veteran(howIhatethatterm) & Marijuana 'thought crime' Felon

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Experiencing PTSD
Posted by: Roman General on Jul 11, 2008 3:59 AM   
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PTSD is a life-long endeavor, there is no cure for it. The triggering traumatic event changes the landscape of the mind, it no longer works in the same fashion that it did before. The mind has been rewired, the neuropathways have been altered into a continuous loop. The PTSD triggering incident converts the fight or flight response in the primitive portion of our brain. Imagine having that scared feeling you get without the fear while keeping the bodily reactions; the tenseness, the adrenalin rush, the mind racing, heightened senses, and the hyper response reflex to react without thinking.

That is the mode of survival, now take out the danger part, you are safe. YOU KNOW you are safe, but that nagging sense that tells you "YOU ARE IN DANGER" for your life remains. You FEEL it in your bones, your rational mind says otherwise, but that doesn't take away the feeling that something is going to go wrong, terribly wrong. Imagine wanting to jump out of your skin, literally thats how it feels.

This can drive a person crazy, it does on a daily basis. Ok, now imagine that YOU DO NOT KNOW that you have this condition. Ok, now throw in the fear! Go out into the world and see how long it takes for you to find some trouble. See if you can properly discern an appropriate response in everyday situations, as regular social interactions have become a threat to you. You don't know why, but you just know it. Ok, throw in some denial. Alright a bunch of denial. See if you don't end up divorced, incarcerated, homeless, unemployable, homicidal, suicidal or dead.

PTSD, A soldier's Perspective

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