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War on Iraq

Iraq's Real Death Toll "Above Highest Estimates"

By Dahr Jamail and Ahmed Ali, IPS News. Posted June 2, 2008.


Iraqis who say they have seen dead bodies floating in rivers have good reason not to believe official figures of the war's death toll.
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A study by doctors from the Johns Hopkins School of Health in conjunction with Iraqi doctors from al-Mustanceriya University in Baghdad, published in the British medical journal The Lancet in October 2006, estimated the number of excess deaths as a result of the occupation at above 655,000.

Just Foreign Policy, an independent organization "dedicated to reforming U.S. foreign policy" offered an updated total of 1,213,716 at the time of this writing.

On Sep. 14, 2007, Opinion Research Business (ORB), an independent polling agency located in London, produced a figure of 1,220,580 deaths as a result of the invasion.

These estimates are above any official figures from Iraq, but they do consider the reported official figures.

Iraqis believe that the authorities are hiding these figures. "The U.S. military benefits from hiding the real totals," said a political analyst who declined to give his name because of the atmosphere of fear within Iraq. "And the Iraqi government is a puppet of the Americans, so their figures are ridiculously low as well."

The report published in The Lancet did not take into account many circumstances of death, say residents in Baquba, capital of Diyala province 40km north of capital Baghdad.

"All people know that a large number of bodies are dropped into the Diyala river," said a local resident. "I was kidnapped and taken to a village called Huwaider, which is completely Shia and located on the Diyala River. Sunnis there are killed and dropped in the river by militiamen, but I was freed by the U.S Army.

"People in all the villages on the river have gotten used to seeing bodies floating in the river," he added.

"I lived in Gatoon district, the volatile stronghold of the militants in Baquba," Yasir al-Azawi, a 37-year-old truck driver told IPS. "Everyday I saw vehicles dropping bodies in the river. Everyone in my district knows this truth; that the river contained an extraordinary number of bodies to the extent that living in that place became impossible. We left our home and moved to live in the north of Iraq."

An officer at the directorate-general of police for Diyala province said the number of dead is impossible to calculate exactly.

"When the new security plan began in Diyala, some of the arrested militants confessed that they were burying bodies," the officer said. "Some of them led us to the places where they buried the bodies. We found hundreds by digging in the areas that are a stronghold of the militants, and sometimes in the gardens of the houses they were living in, or in a place nearby."

An eyewitness at the Baquba morgue spoke with IPS on condition of anonymity.

"I was looking for my relative who was kidnapped and then killed, and I saw an ambulance moving the dead who were killed by militants," he said, "I asked the driver about these bodies. He said that the Iraqi army found them in houses and in holes dug within the houses. I also saw a skeleton among the bodies."

Many believe that the number of the dead is higher than these studies reflect also because the lack of access to areas controlled by militias and other fighters prevents police and army personnel from finding and collecting bodies.

"These militia strongholds have prevented access to police for over two years now," Ali Hussein, a local vegetable seller told IPS. "Dozens, and sometimes hundreds were kidnapped everyday and taken to the militants strongholds. People heard nothing about thousands of them. Even today, thousands of families know nothing about their loved ones because they were not found in the morgue."

A policeman, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS that "we were moving the bodies from the main streets of the city through patrols. A body that may have been dropped in the street is a message for people. They dropped it purposely. But these are only a few; the bodies of most we believe were killed, were never found."

"The morgue continues to receive bodies brought by the police or the ambulance," said an employee at the Baquba morgue. "We used to receive many daily. The capacity of the morgue was not enough, so they were buried after certain procedures like taking photos or waiting for the families to ask about them and to take them. Sometimes, at times of bombing and disastrous accidents, we were receiving hundreds of bodies."

Other officials also offered bleak assessments.

"Hundreds of families come to the provincial office everyday to ask about their loved ones who were kidnapped; they do not know whether they are dead or alive," an employee at the governor's office told IPS. "Often the Iraqi army finds records of the dead from the militants through their confessions. Every week there are new lists of names of those who were killed by the militants. People come to find out whether their loved ones are dead, in order to stop searching."

New burial grounds are found often, and the dead are usually not recorded. Many residents told IPS that farmers commonly find bones in their fields.

(*Ahmed, IPS's correspondent in Iraq's Diyala province, works in close collaboration with Dahr Jamail, our U.S.-based specialist writer on Iraq who has reported extensively from Iraq and the Middle East)

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It's time
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 2, 2008 9:42 AM   
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We need to extract ourselves from this mess ASAP.. regardless of the impact of our withdrawal ( I suspect deasth tolls will double once we leave as we are the only barrier to a total collapse there!

While these numbers just seem way over the top, even if off by 50% are still a disaster..

It's time to realize we need to withdraw from a major role in world affairs and start giving aid to our own people first.

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» Hey, K Posted by: oceanwaves99999
» RE: It's time Posted by: harryf200
» RE: It's time to wise up Posted by: shinseiji
» RE: It's time to wise up Posted by: greenPuker
Wow
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on Jun 2, 2008 9:46 AM   
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Wow, that's a lot of dead people.

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Good quote to consider
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 2, 2008 10:23 AM   
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The old AA standby, "One is too many, a million is not enough"

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Figuring death
Posted by: hquain on Jun 3, 2008 3:57 AM   
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It's undoubtedly true that the death toll from war-related causes is gigantic, and equally true that US and Iraqi authorities have done everything they can to hide it. But attaching exact figures to the disaster can only be done by pursuing careful statistical methodology; local eyewitness accounts simply cannot be probative.

A big question to answer is that of rate: divide the total by the numbers of days. If, say, 50-100 people are dying per day, day in and day out, concentrated in regions of conflict, how can that be hidden? Failure to address such questions has undermined acceptance of the larger estimates, even though they appear to have been responsibly derived.

Proxies for death-rate include amount of number of patrols per day, and amount of munitions expended in theatre, including bombs and missiles. Does anyone have figures on that?

Another surprising omission is disease-related mortality. With the widely-reported collapse of public infrastructure and sanitation, it can only be that the death rate from illness has skyrocketed, especially at the two ends of the age spectrum.

It should be possible to put together a comprehensive picture using all sources of information.

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» RE: Figuring death Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Figuring death Posted by: shannonwhite
» RE: Figuring death Posted by: hquain
» RE: Figuring death Posted by: oceanwaves99999
» RE: Figuring death?? Posted by: greenPuker
IRAQI PEOPLE
Posted by: billgee on Jun 3, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Lets not forget the poor Iraqi People
Not that theyre important. Theyve lived in this Veil of Death for nearly a decade. A DECADE!

Bodies everywhere. Electricity occasionally. Water when it runs. Garbage and sewage as available. Life when it happens.

Im so glad we are protecting our WAY OF LIFE. We wouldnt stand for it.

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» RE: IRAQI PEOPLE Posted by: John Annis
» RE: IRAQI PEOPLE Posted by: oceanwaves99999
War Crimes, Crimes Against Humantiy and Treason
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 3, 2008 5:27 AM   
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Scotty McClellan may be trying to save his beloved Georgie, But it is far too late for that. This land Grab, blood for Oil Agenda is Obvious- No more BS 'reasons' like misguided or mis informed 'spread of Democracy' Crap.
The Oil Industry was TOLD to get out of the M.E. 3 decades ago and Refused because of their arrangement with these oppressive 'royal 'regimes . they have committed atrocities in the name of their Profit margins, encouraged Hatred towards the US becasue of their Immoral and Unethical Business Practices.they have Used US as Camoflague and Human shields (9/11)and allowed these Foreign regimes to place blame for all THEIR peoples suffering On US. They rolled out the Red carpet for these Profiteers, right over the top of their own people. then both pointed their bloody hands at US as a diversion.These "Oil men' Who Seized Power in '00 have intentionally laid Waste to Our country- Inside & Out, to further this 'New World Order' of Corporatism.They have been the Traitors and Terrorists to the very founding Principles of Our nation. No More excuses, No more complacency , NO Mercy!!

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To Paraphrase
Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 3, 2008 9:37 AM   
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They say it's not the votes that count, but who counts the votes.

Now apparently, it's not the casualties that count, but who counts the casualties.

And Bush & Co. would prefer they not be counted at all. Deaths or votes.

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killing more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein
Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 3, 2008 1:25 PM   
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http://wais.stanford.edu/
Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html

"between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

The current conflict is killing over 500 Iraqis daily, according to the numbers in this article.

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Priorities ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Jun 3, 2008 1:49 PM   
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I notice this issue, pertaining to US policy on the population of foreign country and the lives, or deaths, of thousands of people attracts many fewer comments than the legality of Pot! It's illuminating, don't y'all think?

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» RE: Priorities ... Posted by: greenPuker
Soros funded lancet study is bogus...the following is more recent,objective, and accurate:
Posted by: EagleX on Jun 3, 2008 1:52 PM   
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world health organization research is more accurate and scientific

this post is only for objective and independent thinking folk

if your fringe left you will never accept legitimate objective research if it disproves your bias interpretation of reality based on selective fringe "studies".

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Bogus research = 500 violent Iraqi deaths per day!!! I challenge a fringe leftist on this blog to...
Posted by: EagleX on Jun 3, 2008 1:58 PM   
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cite a dozen days when over 500 Iraqis died violently.

remember based on the soros lancet study this would have occurred regularly for hundreds of days.

In addition, 500 killed a day would equate to 2000 to 3000 wounded!!!!

there are not enough medical facilities in the whole of the Middle East to accomodate those numbers

In summary, the soros funded study is fantasy by unabashed Leftists from Johns Hopkins

the fringe left are easily misled by this nonsense, but not independent and rational thinking mainstream America.

Try again boys.

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Still more than Saddam Hussein
Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 3, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Quote from the "conservative" WHO study linked above:

The study found that violence became a leading cause of death for Iraqi adults after March 2003 and the main cause for men aged 15-59 years. It indicated that on average 128 Iraqis per day died of violent causes in the first year following the invasion and that the average daily violent death toll was 115 in the second year and 126 in the third year. More than half of the violent deaths occurred in Baghdad.

Still more than Saddam Hussein's 70-125 per day. Keep up the good work, thanks for making my argument for me.

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» your data is obsolete Posted by: EagleX
» you are funny Posted by: frantaylor
» still laughing fran? Posted by: EagleX
Khudayr Taher: An Apology to the Valiant American Soldier
Posted by: EagleX on Jun 3, 2008 5:56 PM   
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In an April 8, 2008 article titled "Apology to the Valiant American Soldier," Iraqi liberal Khudayr Taher bemoaned the ill treatment the U.S. army received from those it liberated:

"We forsook you and betrayed you - we, whose history is an expression of massacres, conflagrations, and ruin. We killed you, and we killed our dream and aspiration of reaching the sun, the moon, and the stars - [we killed our dream] of availing ourselves of the opportunity to live as true humans, thanks to your presence.

"My dear, brave American soldier, you noble individual who traversed land and sea in order to write the story of Iraqi freedom for the first time in its modern history - you believed, in accordance with logic, self-evident truths, and rational thought, that a people who had been subjected to repression, starvation, and killing would dance for joy, and would thank Allah who sent you to them as a liberating angel. [You believed that] they would strew flowers and break out in songs of joy that would smash the chains of slavery, ignominy, and humiliation.

"Not even a writer of surrealistic [literature] or [theater of] the absurd would have imagined that the Iraqi people would revolt against their liberator and would rush ardently back to a new bondage of a different kind - that of the religious cleric, the tribal sheikh, and the gang leader. It was unthinkable that the people would go against logic, rational thought, and self-evident truths, in a mad rush towards the abyss and total ruin.

"My beloved, brave American soldier, we apologize to you, and we are saddened at our wretched and miserable selves. Since we are a people that slaughters itself, and kills one another, cutting off heads, what can you expect from us other than ingratitude, perfidy, and stabbing you in the back for the benefit of Iranian and Syrian intelligence and Al-Qaeda?..."

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Mass Murderer
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Jun 3, 2008 6:28 PM   
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George W. Bush, started this whole mess and his day before the World Court will come in due time. Perhaps he should experience rendition first hand!

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But how many injured, maimed, disfigured, crippled, or suicidal casualties...
Posted by: common intelligence on Jun 3, 2008 6:35 PM   
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And let us not forget those that have been the casualties of depleted Uranium, and

the new borns whom are disfigured because of the genetic affects of poisons used and those whose flesh ahs been burnt off because of Naphalm, a supposedly illegal weapon declared after Vietnam.

And the inevitable future causualties of landmines forgotten.

Leave us not forget how many have died from mirely falling debris.
Those with aquired respiratory ailments because of toxic fumes and even poison gases I am sure have been used.

The pschological damage present and future that children will have their whole lives.

But last and NOT least the animals livestock and all wildlife that has been desimated without the slightest concern.

Om Mani Padme Hung

May all sentient beings have peace and happiness and may they aquire the causes for happiness and be freed from the hell unleashed by all that have caused it.

Om Mani Padme Hung

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Tip of the Iceberg
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 4, 2008 1:11 AM   
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Common Intelligence, you are right. The deaths are just the tip of the iceberg; there are far more who have been injured, maimed or disabled. There are an immense number of widowed women in a country where their employment prospects are bleak, making widowhood doubly cruel. There are hundreds of thousands of orphaned children. There are millions who have been displaced and lost everything. There are deep psychological scars, defunct businesses, interrupted educations, divided communities, destroyed infrastructure and rampant poverty.

By any measure this is a humanitarian catastrophe which dwarfs 9/11 by several orders of magnitude. We have waged aggressive war, as defined at Nuremburg, and inflicted immense harm. We have perplexed and disgusted our friends and multiplied and emboldened our enemies. We have relinquished any claim to the moral high ground, made a mockery of our laws and Constitution, and abandoned the principles we profess.

I cannot imagine how anyone could support McCain and the continuation of these morally, intellectually and economically bankrupt policies.

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EagleX, You have quoted the truly weird Khudayr Taher an anti-Iraqi 'liberal'
Posted by: Squarehead on Jun 4, 2008 5:33 AM   
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EagleX, You have quoted the truly weird Khudayr Taher an anti-Iraqi 'liberal'

So for these 'Brave American Soldiers' and their apologists, let me offer why the Iraqi person or even any Muslim person might be offended.

I remember from early in this event, a story which only aired once in USA, but was covered extensively in Europe. It was of a Marines checkpoint, where the captain asked for a warning shot from his men at an approaching civilian car. He was eventually screaming at them 'to fire a fucking warning!' But they did not, because those shits had decided that they were going to take a little revenge, for a comrade who had died the previous day. So they opened up on this car with a 20mm cannon; then when they went to the scene found a family.

Father, mother and 3 children, ripped to pieces by the cannon rounds. The father was I think, the only eventual survivor. Now speaking personally, if I were that father, I would seek and get REVENGE. And while I would prefer that US soldiers be the recipient, I suppose that hatred might drive me to several very suspect actions.

So tell me, what does 'EagleX' mean? Is it to imply a careful watch? Or a period of service in the Air armed forces?

Or is it 'I've got you liberals in my cross-hairs' ('& I'm just such a smart guy')
Or is it just a load of dung, pretense, posturing to suit the 'statistics' you provide?

The 'surge', asshole, is about as honest as any of the rest of your data. And if you think I'm being a bit personal, the insult is intended. You speak from the air-conditioned safety of middle America (wherever you are); normally I don't like to engage in this level of vituperation. For you, and considering the story you are commenting on, I gladly make exception.

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Arguing over numbers if offensive given Iraqis are undoubtedly dying in droves
Posted by: DesertStone on Jun 6, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Why is there argument over weather 10,000 or 600,000 Iraqis have been killed? Given the us invaded Iraq based on 3000 dead Americans it is beyond offensive to continue such an irrelevant discussion. The undisputed fact is Iraqis are dying daily. How is it justifiable that 3000 dead Americans warrants the invasion of two nations and campaigns of “shock and awe” yet a debate over how many hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis is relevant in an argument over how brutal this occupation really is?

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I'D BET GOOD MONEY ON THE REAL DEATH TOLL...
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on Jun 9, 2008 8:07 AM   
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being at least one-and-half to two million, and not less than double the official rate.

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Eyes from another country
Posted by: roop on Jun 12, 2008 11:16 PM   
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When I was in school learning about WWII and Hilter. I thought no person would ever be worse than him. I wish that were true.

I will teach my son that this genocide was an injustice on the human race and that america is a corrupt, septic nation lead by individuals who are truly evil. Evil beyond Hitler, an evil that you can smell and taste. At least Hitler told people what his motives were. This genocide has the public face of george bush, masked and confused by a fictitious war on terror and outright lies of spreading the sham that is called democracy. It's only motive is greed but that motive is only known to those who seek it. american propaganda has that detail and the benefactors of that greed well, well shadowed.

Now this is just from an impartial observer. Imagine what those suffering in Iraq will teach their children about america.

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