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War on Iraq

Even the FBI Is Outraged over U.S. Torture

By Robert Scheer, Truthdig. Posted May 29, 2008.


The Justice Department has issued a report on torture, citing testimony by scores of FBI officials outraged over our treatment of prisoners.
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Are we Americans truly savages or merely tone-deaf in matters of morality, and therefore more guilty of terminal indifference than venality? It's a question demanding an answer in response to the publication of the detailed 370-page report on U.S. complicity in torture, issued last week by the Justice Department's inspector general.

Because the report was widely cited in the media and easily accessed as a pdf file on the Internet, it is fair to assume that those of our citizens who remain ignorant of the extent of their government's commitment to torture as an official policy have made a choice not to be informed. A less appealing conclusion would be that they are aware of the heinous acts fully authorized by our president but conclude that such barbarism is not inconsistent with that American way of life that we celebrate.

But that troubling assessment of moral indifference is contradicted by the scores of law enforcement officers, mostly from the FBI, who were so appalled by what they observed as routine official practice in the treatment of prisoners by the United States in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo that they risked their careers to officially complain. A few brave souls from the FBI even compiled a "war crimes file," suggesting the unthinkable -- that we might come to be judged as guilty by the standard we have imposed on others. Superiors in the Justice Department soon put a stop to such FBI efforts to hold CIA agents and other U.S. officials accountable for the crimes they committed.

That this systematic torture was carried out not by a few conveniently described "bad apples" but rather represented official policy condoned at the highest level of government was captured in one of those rare media reports that remind us why the Founding Fathers signed off on the First Amendment.

"These were not random acts," The New York Times editorialized. "It is clear from the inspector general's report that this was organized behavior by both civilian and military interrogators following the specific orders of top officials. The report shows what happens when an American president, his secretary of defense, his Justice Department and other top officials corrupt American law to rationalize and authorize the abuse, humiliation and torture of prisoners."

One of those top officials, who stands revealed in the inspector general's report as approving the torture policy, is Condoleezza Rice, who in her capacity as White House national security adviser turned away the concerns of then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft as to the severe interrogation measures being employed. Rice, as ABC-TV reported in April, chaired the top-level meetings in 2002 in the White House Situation Room that signed off on the CIA treatment of prisoners -- "whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called water boarding. ..." According to the report, the former academic provost of Stanford University came down on the side of simulated drowning.

As further proof that women are not necessarily more squeamish than men in condoning such practices, the report offers examples of sexual and religious denigration of the mostly Muslim prisoners by female interrogators carrying out an official policy of "invasion of space by a female." In one recorded instance observed by startled FBI agents, a female interrogator was seen with a prisoner "bending his thumbs back and grabbing his genitals ... to cause him pain." One of the agents testified that this was not "a case of a rogue interrogator acting on her own." He said he witnessed a "pep rally" meeting conducted by a top Defense Department official "in which the interrogators were encouraged to get as close to the torture statute line as possible."

That was evidently the norm, according to FBI agents who witnessed the interrogations. As The New York Times reported, "One bureau memorandum spoke of 'torture techniques' used by military interrogators. Agents described seeing things like inmates handcuffed in a fetal position for up to 24 hours, left to defecate on themselves, intimidated by dogs, made to wear women's underwear and subjected to strobe lights and extreme heat and cold."

In the end, what seems to have most outraged the hundreds of FBI agents interviewed for the report is that the interrogation tactics were counterproductive. Evidently the FBI's long history in such matters had led to a protocol that stressed gaining the confidence of witnesses rather than terrorizing them into madness. But an insane prisoner is the one most likely to tell this president of the United States what he wants to hear: They hate us for our values.

Robert Scheer's new book, The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11 and Weakened America, will be released June 9 by Twelve.

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Robert Scheer is the co-author of The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About Iraq. See more of Robert Scheer at TruthDig.

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Heroes? You've Got to Be Kidding!
Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 29, 2008 12:37 AM   
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Brave souls? Let's not make heroes of these FBI agents. They failed to do their job, which was to investigate and arrest the perpetrators of torture. By their complicity in the longstanding coverup, they are guilty of misprison of felony, an offense in itself. Had they arrested some torturers, the secret would have become public record and the government would have been forced to either drop the charges and admit that it tortured, or allow a public trial.

These agents were cowards who failed the American people and the people they had a duty to protect. They documented the crimes to dissociate themselves from them and avoid future prosecution, but they did not enforce the law as they should have.

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» Wasn't their choice Posted by: jnelson4765
» RE: Wasn't their choice Posted by: EJLima
Recruitment into AQ et al is Skyrocketing!
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 29, 2008 4:01 AM   
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Again High Crimes being ACTIVELY ignored by Congress and Condoned by SCOTUS (Scalia must be prosecuted - his confess is on tape, 'Torture vs Punishment' MY ASS!)
We know MOST of the Crimes this Admin has committed, we have proof of complicity with in SCOTUS and Congress. NOW we Just Need a Bit of 'Law enforcement ' to Arrest Them.
Come On Home our Brave Warriors =bring all the 'Toys' too- YOU ARE NEEDED HERE! we have DOMESTIC ENEMIES in our midst!
Considering the number of Defendants we will need to Try- I suggest an 'american Idol' style Jury- call ins, texts and E-mail judgements by all of US. Considering we also have PLENTY of WELL Documented Evidence- we could get through about 4 criminals a week. OHHH and we Will have some real 'PARTING" gifts! Pull Out the Recycled Paper Plates- the silver is Too Good!

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The FBI was busy with the Chandra Levy / Gary Condit case instead of Al Queda in summer of 2001 when
Posted by: maxpayne on May 29, 2008 4:14 AM   
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it mattered the most. Of course, for not doing its job of actually protecting the homeland, just like the CIA both parties reward them. It's pathetically amazing that neither the so-called "libertarians" or "conservatives" who hate Big Government are calling for an abolition or at least a major reform of the FBI or CIA despite giving Al Queda backdoor assistance all the while knowing torturing those who likely had nothing to do with this mess in the first place.

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When We We Hear Enough
Posted by: bryangalt on May 29, 2008 5:28 AM   
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A question that begs an answer for, and that this article touches on, is where are the American people? What will it take to finally outrage the general public enough to get them off the couch and into the streets?

Frankly, I'm disappointed in everyone, including myself, for not taking on a more active approach to bring this nonsense to an end.

The Congress of the United States has a duty to perform in this matter and if they are unable or unwilling to do this, then NOT ONE OF THEM should be re-elected in November.

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» Project Northwoods Posted by: EinMD
» Cold War Posted by: Ipsi Dixit
» Beer prices Posted by: EinMD
gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on May 29, 2008 6:58 AM   
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Outraged?? Fat chance. Their report could simply be for public consumption to take some of the tarnish off their image and to getready for the next administration. They are still hell-bent upon continuing the victimization of Leonard Peltier. And what we don't know about our government would scare us s___less if it came to light.

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» /agree Posted by: EinMD
stand up
Posted by: jstepp590 on May 29, 2008 7:20 AM   
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Wow, it's nice to see FBI agents stand up for our countries beliefs instead of just burying their heads. I'm so proud of them! These are the agents that need to get promoted because obviously they love our country more than their careers.

Hopefully a few of them still have those files and kept them current, we may need them. I say we grab some of these torturers and put them through their own ringer, using their own methods to go after the officials who authorized and organized this outrage. We can then have fair and impartial trials followed by some first class hangings.

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FIB. . .oh, sorry, freudian slip.
Posted by: callejero on May 29, 2008 8:03 AM   
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"in the end," they saw how counterproductive it was. Yea, like, if we can't kill them (Ruby Ridge) or burn them (Waco) why waste our time?

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» Balance ... Posted by: harryf200
HalaAloha
Posted by: HaleAloha on May 29, 2008 8:05 AM   
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In the second paragraph Scheer's "Even the FBI is Outraged...." he suggests two possibilities for any American who is unaware of U.S. torture policy and the ensuing controversy: 1. that they "have made a choice not to be informed" or that they "conclude that such barbarism is not inconsistent with that American way of life that we celebrate."
I suggest another possibility for what seems like apathy or a lack of outrage by the Average Joe/Jane and our Congressional leaders; that a successful campaign has been carried out over the last 40- 50 years that has created an American citizenry that is not "fat, dumb and happy" but is fat, dumb and afraid. We are suffering a nationwide epidemic of the "Stockholm Syndrome." Our terrifying captors control many who hold office and now control the media and the information we receive. Unless our fellow citizens can be "cured" by those who are immune or have overcome the "illness" there is little hope of stopping the evil purposes of our "captors".

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» RE: HalaAloha Posted by: Lauren
John McCain's sadistic stance on torture.
Posted by: HughScott on May 29, 2008 8:40 AM   
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Bitter Hillary supporters who are threatening to vote for Insane McCain in November should remind themselves about his flip-flop on torture.

Despite previous altruistic arguments he made against torture, including waterboarding, McCain now believes the CIA should be able to use cruel and inhumane interrogation methods on suspected terrorists. The sick bastard.

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Vile Sadistic Sick Evil
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 29, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Members of the American public who, by their apathy or downright approval, have allowed torture to be done in all our names, are vile sadistic sick and EVIL monsters.

This fact USED to be obvious.

But now maybe a majority of Americans actually SUPPORT torture against "terror" suspects. (And the vast majority of those suspects are actually innocent and are not really involved in terrorism. But never mind.)
I fear my fellow Americans. What else are we capable of condoning if we can condone as a group this most evil of human practices, torture?

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» RE: Vile Sadistic Sick Evil Posted by: Lauren
Like the FBI really gives a damn.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 29, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Come on,we're talking about an outfit that was used and has been used to stomp all over the Bill of Rights for generations. This group of Gov't Thugs will contrive evidence,enter false testimony,harrass wittnesses and kill people's families to get what they want.
Think I'm lying? Then read 'In the Spirit of Crazy Horse' or better yet go to Rosebud Reservation and ask about the Feds. Ask Arlo Guthrie. Talk to the Black Panther Party for Self Preservation, Deadheads or kids in the Hip-Hop community.
This outfit is more dangerous than the SS,more underhanded than Organized Crime and as needed as tits on a bull. They are the enforcement group of Nazi-America. They, as well as the rest of Congress and the Executive Branch need to have their marching orders changed, be disbanded or ridden out on a rail. They are the enemy of Peace and the anathma of Freedom and Liberty. Torture...yes they do!! They tortured Annie Aquash. Burned her up and chopped off her hands and feet. They burned up John Trudel's entire family from Grand Parents to the small children. FBI soft on torture? Not in any of our lifetimes,unless we act to shut them down, by revoking their right to operate.
Jeffrey7 for Prez in '08

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Begin with Amendment VIII of THE BILL OF RIGHTS and next...
Posted by: Turiye on May 29, 2008 9:38 AM   
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...we go to the Geneva Convention. Geneva III Articles 13, 17, 87
Geneva IV Articles 27, 31, 32
Of the above according to the Geneva Convention III Art. 87 and IV Art. 32 are considered WAR CRIMES.
Then we do have a Federal Anti-Torture Statute:
18 USC 240(A) which is 20 years or DEATH.
So argue about who, what, where, when, why TORTURE IS AGAINST THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD!!!!!
Now consider what they are doing to our troops when they are POW's knowing what we've done to their countrymen. A large portion may never have abused or murdered anyone.
This country is indeed as someone had mentioned in a mass induced state of Stockholm Syndrome. As well as creating a mass induced state of depression studied but as yet unamed.
We have become the monsters we feared under our beds and in our closets at night.
Thank All that is that CCRJUSTICE has on appeal in France a Torture charge and in Germany a War Crimes Charge against Donny "I don't do quagmires" Rummy.
The entire Executive Branch, many Feebs, the Congress are Complicit and I am damn tired of feeling sick and shamed after all the work I have done to stop this S$$T!!!
We need an outside Prosecuter NOW!!!!

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So, why aren't the bushies getting theirs?
Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2008 10:37 AM   
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Several reasons come to mind. First, as long as dumbya is in power, he can, and would, pardon anybody he wants, including himself. I don't know of any way this power can be removed from a sitting president. Second, the "Continuance of Government" (COG) provision, which effectively puts us in an emergency status, and gives the president virtually unlimited powers, may still be in effect. Third, the rot is so pervasive, and includes so many government officials and elected positions, that prosecuting them all would paralyze our government and gut it to a point where replacing them would impose severe hardships on our citizens, and confusion in the government itself. Know what? Let's do it ANYWAY, because it's the rght thing to do, a moral imperative, and probably our only hope of restoring our democracy.

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Even _our_ previous government tried to stop them...
Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 29, 2008 2:12 PM   
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...which is amazing considering that our leader was sleeping with yours...

tortured Aussie

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John Thomas
Posted by: RedFoxOne on May 29, 2008 2:35 PM   
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Does anyone actually believe this? I mean come on folks, the American Sheeple are not THAT naive are they.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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The FBI and the CIA
Posted by: aonghus36 on May 29, 2008 4:44 PM   
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Aren't they traditional rivals? Could that have something to do with the FBI's sudden case of outrage?

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If You Can't Lick Them, Join Them
Posted by: Gretchen360 on May 30, 2008 3:46 AM   
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The author interprets the widespread US torture system according to his light. His moral stance is expressed by such documents as the US Constitution and the UN 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Obviously, he is out of step with the thinking of the US public.
If the victims fit the race, color or creed profile of the enemy, the Americans have little problem with torturing or assassinating them.
By the same token, a number of Americans voice little objection to murdering Barack Hussein Obama.
I submit that torture, lynching and murder are as American as apple pie. Slavery, torture and murder are not going to vanish from the scene.
The prescient Mr Bush has provided Directives to deal with corrupt officials at every government level.
Declared enemy combatants, they can be detained until they outline the wrong doing of their cohorts. The mere prospect of torture should set tongues wagging.

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FBI, MOSAD, CIA, dod were in Afghanistan, Guantanamo, etc.
Posted by: warble on May 30, 2008 7:50 AM   
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The people in the FBI are no different than any other lackluster cockaroach in government. These people are gutless worms that would look the other way when J. Edgar dressed up as a fashion queen or spanked and sodomized little boys. They would look the other way as they murdered Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. When they are given orders, they have to carry them out even if it is to do something illegal. The only question now is whether or not anyone can trust them. Most people believe the fairy tales that they spread throughout the years that they are the good guys and they uphold the law. They try to foster the myth they are some sort of Superman working for justice and the people. But, the idea that a government employee can have a backbone is a joke. Even funnier is the idea that some agents have a conscience when it comes to their job? You should all realize that these people are soldiers, illegal instruments of dictatorship, and that they are your enemy.

Official US policy ,as stated by Gonzalez and Bush, which is in violation of International Law, has been the rule of law, not the exception. Those soldiers were doing their job and if they did not do it, they would have been fired. Why is it that people refer to that rag, the NEW York Times as the Gospel. This paper and its owners are as guilty of war crimes as American officials. If I lied to you day in and day out, would you consider anything I said when I next told you that the FBI had a conscience? It is just the FBI’s way of covering up their misdeeds and trying to sanitize the ruined image that was tarnished by this war and this president. They will never again be viewed in any other light.They are the Gestapo of the US government or the Okhrana of tsarist Russia. My droppings in the toilet smell better than the stench they leave. They are a standing enemy that needs to be eliminated.

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CIA 'professional' insurance...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 30, 2008 9:14 AM   
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the CIA was going apeshit buying up professional/personal insurance to cover their butts a few years ago...
2006: Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance

ABC News: Report: U.S. Soldiers Did 'Dirty Work' for Chinese Interrogators

"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights


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Torture is a crime anywhere.
Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 31, 2008 6:51 PM   
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Torture by a US citizen anywhere is a crime, not just on US territory.

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