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War on Iraq

Misogyny Rampant in the Armed Forces: 1 in 3 Military Women Experience Sexual Abuse

By Nancy Van Ness, The Wip. Posted May 12, 2008.


Speaking out against the war, female veterans describe regular abuse at the hands of their peers -- and the military's failure to address it.
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I knew it was bad, but I didn't know just how bad. Colonel Ann Wright, retired U.S. Army, grabbed the audience's attention at a panel called Women in the Military, hosted last month by Women Center Stage in New York City, when she said that one in three women in the military is sexually abused by her male colleagues. Ann wants to see huge signs displaying this statistic in every recruiting office, to let young women know what to expect if they sign up.

After 26 years in the U.S. Army/Army Reserves, Ann went on to serve in the U.S. Diplomatic Corps for fifteen years, receiving the State Department's Award for Heroism in 1997. She helped open the U.S. embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, in January 2002 and then was Deputy Chief of Mission in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. But in 2003 she resigned from the Diplomatic Corps, saying, "I have served my country for almost thirty years in the some of the most isolated and dangerous parts of the world. However, I do not believe in the policies of this Administration," referring to the invasion of Iraq. Since then, she has advocated tirelessly for peace.

She described first hand accounts from witnesses and seeing photographs that document an atrocious rape that ended in the murder of a female US soldier in Iraq, which the military had reported as a suicide. She pointed out that even in the handful of cases resulting in court martial and conviction, few perpetrators have served any prison time.

Two other young veterans, Kelly Dougherty and Jen Hogg, described life in the military for women today.

Sgt. Kelly Dougherty, now Executive Director of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) and former chair of its Board of Directors, told of a veteran who calmly described killing an Iraqi while she breast-fed her baby. To Kelly, this was just one example of the incredible disconnect veterans live with and of the brutalization that everyone in the armed forces is subjected to. She noted, however, that this is new for women, since for the first time in US history so many women are participating in combat situations.

Sgt. Jennifer Hogg of IVAW and Service Women's Action Network (SWAN) explained that women are automatically excluded from the infantry because they are considered unfit to do on-the-ground fighting. Jennifer granted that while some but not all women aren't suitable for infantry service, some men aren't capable either. She declared that categorically excluding women from the infantry is not only arbitrary but another of the many visible ways that women in the military are regarded as second-class citizens, ripe for abuse.

It's not just a matter of promotions. Women are given only the basic training that everyone receives; they do not get advanced infantry training. However in the everyday reality of the Iraq occupation, women are routinely thrust into situations that require infantry skills. They then find themselves in combat situations for which they are not prepared.

However, the greatest danger that military women in Iraq and Afghanistan face is from their male peers and officers. More women there are the victims of sexual assault than of injuries from hazardous military duties. Reuters reported as far back as 1995, "Ninety percent of women under 50 who have served in the US military and who responded to a survey report being victims of sexual harassment, and nearly one-third of the respondents of all ages say they have been raped."

Blatant sexism and misogyny are at the root of this high rate of violence against these women who just want to defend their country.

Some military training actually encourages violence thus adding greatly to the inherent violence of war. Jennifer described training while "jodies" were ringing in her ears -- the cadences that sing about a soldier's trashy girlfriend having sex with a civilian who is not as good a man as he. She first heard these chants while serving as a mechanic in the New York Army National Guard from 2000-2005. The "jodies" were crafted to engender men's rage: at women, at non-military men and at "the other."

According to Jennifer, some men join the army for honor but also to belong to a group that permits them to express their aggression. She questions whether such motivations are any different than those of the young men who join gangs. So, she asked, why would we be surprised when these super-aggressive men behave brutally toward Iraqi civilians or towards women?

She says most of their male counterparts view women in the military as either "dykes," "whores," or "bitches." These women must cope with these grotesque distortions on a daily basis.

Kelly, who served as a medic and in a military police unit, says that misogyny is rampant and seldom countered from above. She described how bitter that is when a woman knows that the first duty of an officer is to care for those in her or his command. She is convinced that officers' failure to protect the women serving under them has contributed fundamentally to the serious breakdown of good military operations in Iraq. Betrayal by one's own chain of command is devastating to women, and ultimately, everyone suffers.


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I was a WAF... think for a second gotta picture there yet......
Posted by: Turiye on May 12, 2008 7:03 AM   
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USAF 75-77, now VFP, DVVA, supporters of IVAW, VVAW and I am Disabled American Veteran. WAF was Women in the Air Force then the males said we were 'WE ALL F$$KED', it was an absolute delight to hear that shit day in and out. They thought if they wanted you they could say no you are a 'Lesbian'. If it never changes, It Never Changes.
I love Col. Wright, her book Dissent is wonderful, I have yet to hear that women say No to anyone. I am from Philly so at events I cross paths with Kelly alot. Going to use your forum, indulge me.
Winter Soldier on the Hill
Who:Iraq Veterans Against the War & the CPC
What:Winter Soldier on the Hill-An Open Forum
When:15 May 2008 9:30 am - 12:30 pm
Where:2261 Rayburn House Office Building

If you'd care to attend email wintersoldierally@ivaw.org

Read This:
Suicides by Vets-avg 18/day
Suicides in 1 month avg 1000
Last count was over 300,000 Vets come home with PTSD of which 10% will NEVER recover
320,000 with TBI

So bug hell outta some Rep. or Senator and realize this is really TRUE.
Thanks for the forum.

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Maybe we need a ribbon too.
Posted by: Cecily on May 12, 2008 11:47 AM   
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I mocked one up: Support our Female Troops.

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RIGHT WING EXTREME JESUS MAKEOVER.
Posted by: bc430 on May 13, 2008 7:12 AM   
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While we were sleeping Evil Spirits came creeping all the way into the core of our national government.The treatment of women outlined in this article is more fully understood as part of the Conservative RIGHT'S perceived mandate from the Almighty, to become the same in nature only bigger badder and more American than Al Qaeda's Taliban....in the name of JESUS, and you and the rest of us who thought we were USA.

THE CRUSADERS
By Robert C. Koehler
Tribune Media Services
Sixteen words may be all that stand right now between the apparatus of government and the Founding Fathers’ worst nightmare. And those words are starting to give.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .”
When George Bush, in the wake of 9/11, puffed himself into Richard the Lionheart and declared he would lead the country in a “crusade” against terrorism — you know, crusade, as in slaughter of Muslim infidels — turns out . . . oh, how awkward (if you’re on White House spin duty) . . . he may have been speaking literally.
What’s certain, in any case, is that a lot of people in high and low places within the Bush administration — and in particular, the military — heard him literally, and regard the war on terror as a religious war:
“The enemy has got a face. He’s called Satan. He lives in Fallujah. And we’re going to destroy him,” a lieutenant colonel, according to a BBC reporter, said to his troops on the eve of the destruction of that undefended city in post-election 2004.
“I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol,” Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Jerry Boykin notoriously boasted a few years back, speaking of a Muslim warlord in Somalia. And by the way, George Bush is “in the White House because God put him there.”
And, of course, just the other day, Lt. Col. Ralph Kauzlarich, who conducted the first official investigation into Pat Tillman’s death, opined that Tillman’s family is only pestering the Army for the, ahem, truth about how he died because their loved one, a non-believer with no heavenly reward to reap, is now “worm dirt.”
Until I read the newly published “With God on Our Side: One Man’s War Against an Evangelical Coup in America’s Military” (St. Martin’s Press), Michael Weinstein’s disturbing account of anti-Semitism at the U.S. Air Force Academy, I shrugged off each of these remarks, and so much more, as isolated, almost comically intolerant noises out of True Believer Land. Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do . . .
Now my blood runs cold. Weinstein, a 1977 graduate of the Academy and former assistant general counsel in the Reagan administration, and a lifelong Republican, has devoted the last several years of his life to battling what he has come to regard as a fundamentalist takeover of the Academy, turning it, in effect, into a taxpayer-supported Evangelical institution. He charges that the separation of church and state is rapidly vanishing at the school, which routinely promotes sectarian religious events, tolerates the proselytizing of uniquely vulnerable new recruits and, basically, conflates evangelical interests and the national interest.
If you think this is just a fight over some abstract principle, with ramifications only for atheist, Jewish, Buddhist and other cadets who may be “offended” by fundamentalist God talk, I urge you to check out Weinstein’s book or website (militaryreligiousfreedom.org). He documents a chilling phenomenon: The whole U.S. military, up and down the chain of command, is coming to be dominated by members of a small, characteristically intolerant sliver of Christianity who truly regard themselves as Christian soldiers, on a God-appointed mission to harvest souls and battle evil. Continued below.

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» so what's your excuse Posted by: e rice
» Perception can be funny Posted by: robbie.seal
THIS IS NOT MISOGYNY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 13, 2008 7:48 AM   
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Misogyny is not a crime. It's insulting and degrading but not against the law. Rape, on the other hand is a crime. It's one thing to be offended quite another to be the victim of a physical assault or attack. There's a big difference and we have to make that clear. to muddy up the waters with hurt feelings while violent crimes go unpunished is wrong. Women have to be careful to make this distinction. Neither behavior is right but it's important to clear definitions. Thanks, ANNA

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» MISOGYNY is not against the law Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: MISOGYNY is not against the law Posted by: peacefullaim
How to get Knocked off Alternet
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 13, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Point out that our military an dour soldiers are not just intenetionally being physically Push their limits but also psychologically so as to ease the rise of the Corp Private Armies- who have No oversight, no accountablity and NO Allegience to US when it comes down to when another nation OUT BIDS US for their services because Our Nation Defense has been Gutted!
The Rape on the Female enlisted is not just a result of co workers sexual frustration, Rape is an act of violence, not Sex! Granted indidvulas should be prosecuted for their behaviors by -jst with Abu Ghraib- there is a underlying complicity which is being overlooked. The Neo Cons never wanted woman in the military (lack the Aggressive hormone Testosterone, which can be easily manipulated into Reactive violence) Nor did they want Gays in the Military- How many 'Don't Tell' soldiers have been Assaulted Or even Killed by friendly fire?? And WHO is Turning the Blind Eye to these Atrocities as they did at Abu Ghraib???Suicide rates are skyrocketing what else is working on these soldiers psyche to choose such an Option?
Underlying Doctrines and Military 'codes' must be considered to expalin the wide spread sociological manefestation of all these Non combats acts of violence- to self & others!
Was it my demand that the members of the Armed Services be held accountable for their Failure to Provide Oversight of ANYTHING regarding the Military that got me Booted?? You are willing to put th estamp on it - but not willing to push the envelope threw the obvious Slot?DC Politicans (ie Armed Services Com -CON)are enabling Blackwater et al to undermine our own National Defense- they must be called out for their intentional Derelcition of Duty and the resulting Crimes

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picking on little boys
Posted by: euphobot on May 13, 2008 9:19 AM   
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"One watched a peer shooting Iraqi children from their vehicle, much as some boys will shoot animals."

If a lesbian has to pick on little boys to make a point, she doesn't have a point.

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» RE: picking on little boys Posted by: peacefullaim
GREAT Topic... The Article itself is garbage
Posted by: robbie.seal on May 13, 2008 9:24 AM   
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I will knock out the negative points first.

1) A friend of a veteran was to told... Shooting children from trucks... Killing a woman as she breastfed... Give me a break. The anti-war crowd has been thrown these garbage stories around only to find that they are crap. WHO is your friend of a veteran that witnessed a crime and did not report it it higher? Heck, I got an email from a friend who had a friend who ran it through snopes and they said it was true that Microsoft would pay me... Sound familiar?

2) Women are not allowed to be infantry because of Federal Law. I have worked with plenty that could out ruck and kick the crap out of any guy, but the law says so. Write your congressman, not an innaccurate article.

3) Jodie calls have been "illegal" since the mid 90's. If your National Guard unit was still allowing them, then that speaks to the Equal Opportunity environment that your unit had, and that is a failure of the leadership for their soldiers. That is the only part of your article that you made sense on. The commanders who allow this type of behavior need to go elswhere for employment. The military does not need leaders who do not enforce standards and take care of their soldiers.

The military actually leads all other professional fields in Equal Opportunity enforcment. Because of the problems mentioned in this article there are even ways to report abuse/harassment outside of the chain of command. Though I believe your numbers are exagerated a bit, even one soldier harassed or raped is 100% too many. The military doesn't just slap people on the wrist... They put people in jail for it. Sleep with a subordinate in the military and you go to jail.

It is the obligation of every military person to come to the aid of any other that is being subjected to this type of behavior. It is the obligation of every leader at every level to protect their subordinates from this behavior or violence, and when it does happen, to seek assistance for the soldier, and swift justice of the perpetrator.

If you had not flavored your article with so much disdain for the military, and so much anti-war rhetoric, and handled your topic (with a bit more research), it would have had much better imapct. If I was your evaluator, you would have gotten a "Redo".

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» Thank you Posted by: Ayla87
Not everybody had a terrible experience
Posted by: whitechocolate on May 13, 2008 9:46 AM   
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I was in the Green Machine for 10 years & my daughter was for 8 yrs. My husband did 12 yrs active duty. My son-in-law (married to another daughter) is currently active duty. While people being people mean "some men hit on women" & "some women hit on men" ( human nature), on the other hand, if you don't act the victim & you "step to" when that person tries to get in your face, you don't have those issues (go ghetto on'em).

Abusers perceive a "victim" mentality a lot & that is who they look to for a victim to abuse. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all people who have been abused in a physical way were victims waiting for an abuser to appear. I don't believe that.

That said, I knew of many females, especially young privates & specialists who deliberately, & with malice and forethought, made sexual harrassment & rape accusations against different male NCOs & male officers who had disciplined them or mandated that these females do their military jobs. There were several cases in which the females also made these accusations with the complicity of other lower-enlisted males (their buddies in "not soldiering") who were also disgruntled with their superiors.

True abuse must be addressed but, on the other hand, cases of false accusation should be met with some form of punishment as the males who are eventually convicted of these crimes usually lose their career, their retirement, (and their families in most cases). I guess in some people's minds this is alright & an acceptable loss to weed out the bad guys.

Abuse works both ways because I have seen female NCOs & female officers force themselves into some type of relationship with lower-enlisted males or female with the threat of the lower ranking person being written up & given an Article 15. One of my co-workers (another sergeant) had to deal with a female SFC who forced him to "ride" with her while she was doing her chores running around during the day while he had a wife at home who was dying from advanced diabetes complications (she died later). The female SFC knew this but was trying to get in his pants anyway she could even if it meant she had to order him to spend time with her. Is this alright since it is a female who is the perpetrator?

Females have a heck of a lot more chances & choices to progress & advance in the military than in the civilian sector on any given day. I live in a military base/large border city & this is very evident. Females get jobs on post or are in the military in many job positions & this is on an ongoing basis.

This issue of rape & abuse works both ways and it is not just the poor pitiful female G.I. who is always the victim. If anybody is raped or killed for any reason, whether for being a minority or being gay or being whatever is "different", slam the culprit & throw away the key.

But don't cry just because the brotha asked you out a couple of times on a date! That same female SFC I referred to above also would tell female privates & specialists that if any "man" tried to "hit on them" or ask them out for a date to let her know & they (she and the young female) would press charges of "sexual harrassment & abuse" against the young men. What kind of crap is that? The guys in our section lived in fear of this female SFC, thinking that she had a personal agenda to get them in trouble if they even spoke to or looked at the females in our section. How can this be acceptable? Rationalize that & maybe I might accept that there is validity to the male bashing points made here!

I am sure that my response will probably P.O. more than a few correspondents here but so be it. I call it like I see it, the same way I did everyday on active duty & every day since with all of the years that I have been involved with the military (30 yrs)

An Old Sergeant (Who hasn't hung up her boots yet!)
HooAaah!!

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» That's what I'm talking about Posted by: robbie.seal
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on May 13, 2008 10:28 AM   
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What do we expect when our government is now trolling the prisons for recruits? These are folks who the government has already decided couldn't live among the population because of their criminality but who they decided could be trusted to actually uphold the oath that soldiers are supposed to take. What in the hell is the government thinking putting our female soldiers in with criminals that needed a special waiver to join. This behavior on the part of our government is so disgusting. All the people who are putting our female soldiers at risk never once spent a day in the trenches so they have no idea what they are doing. They should all be put on trial for conspiracy to commit rape.

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» RE: Deb Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» RE: Deb Posted by: countingdaisies
chain of command
Posted by: e rice on May 13, 2008 11:04 AM   
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anyone who has been aware of the abuses against women and homosexuals in the services, from the coast guard to the air force, for the last thirty-odd years has to come to the conclusion that the chain of command is complicit in the abuse.

women and gays who can soldier as well as, if not better than, straight men are threats--to the egos, identities and world views of the kind of straight men who join the military.

a good officer protects his soldiers, all of them, even from their comrades in arms--but a good officer who does so in the current climate is not going to be promoted.

the american military is just the most visible arena for the reactionaries of the last generation and this one who want to 'return' this country to their fantasy of white male supremacy--or at least, male supremacy, if they can't manage to keep it white.

all the laws in the world are worthless is no one enforces them. in the military or in civilian life.

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» Some good points... Posted by: robbie.seal
Federal Judge Rules KBR 'Rape Victim' Can Seek Trial In US
Posted by: fanny666 on May 13, 2008 12:18 PM   
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Federal Judge Rules KBR 'Rape Victim' Can Seek Trial In US

Apparently there was an issue where KBR was trying to say this was "work related" because it happened in KBR-provided dorms. Therefore, according to KBR, she is not allowed to pursue anything in US courts, she must take it to private arbitration.

The judge has ruled that “This court does not believe that plaintiff’s bedroom should be considered the workplace, even though her housing was provided by her employer.” So now she is "allowed" to pursue it in court.

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Assholes who do this or allow it to happen are one of the reasons bullets were invented.
Posted by: thekidde on May 13, 2008 5:04 PM   
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Shoot 'em.

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1 in 3 isnt that bad when you consider the source
Posted by: leta on May 13, 2008 6:25 PM   
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Since feminists believe 1 in 4 women are raped... 1 in 3 isn't that bad its just a difference of 8.3 percent between the army and civilian life.

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Perceptions?
Posted by: raywigton on May 13, 2008 10:45 PM   
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Perceptions really are kind of funny. These are my perceptions. The vast majority of the American people have little understanding of the military. Most who think that they understand, base that on their own military service experience. However, serving in the military isn't understanding it. Understanding the military means understanding the demographics of the people, the education and motivation of the members, the cultural and ethnic and religious variations, the systems in place to deal with every imaginable situation and of course knowing how people behave under long durations of isolation, fear and extraordinary stress. Just because you served a tour or two on active duty doesn't mean that you have an in depth understanding of how it works or that you were ever in a place where your life was at risk each and every moment of the day. I don't think that I will ever be an expert on the military but I know that I know more than the people who have written this article and those who tend to comment on these stories.

Sexual misconduct toward women is endemic in the military. If I wrote a book on the subject and only examined cases from my own personal experience I'm sure it would be the longest book that you ever read. If I could only explain the different ways that women react to the new found pressure from their male peers on isolated tours you would see that they are unique individuals but they don‘t bond to one another under pressure and stress, they bond to males when they are scared. Don’t think that military women come from the same or similar mold. That they share certain traits in common - for example to say- "they come from working class families" is to wrongly stereotype them. Military women are a melting pot from all walks of life and all levels of income from all over America. Some recruits are from overseas too. To assume that a women is free to file a complaint because there are institutions in place to do so and regulations that prohibit retaliation, is to show your own ignorance. More complaints come from good working conditions such as a military hospital unit in the USA than what come from deployed combat units anywhere in the world. People go public with complaints of unfair treatment when they are feeling safe to do so and they feel safe in better work conditions.

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Perceptions?
Posted by: raywigton on May 13, 2008 10:47 PM   
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The term “misogyny” is almost meaningless to me, perhaps I'm just an ignorant man, but I've never used it in a sentence. It would best describe some religious cult where the God, Jesus, the 12 disciples etc. are all men and men run everything in the patriarchal church. Women exist to pleasure man and give birth to our children. The military culture is NOT EVEN one of misogyny. The sexual abuse is NOT brought on by hatred of women and the power trip to dominate them like might occur in a twisted male mind in the civilian world. It is more related to the loneliness, isolation, non availability of women in normal numbers or of equal social status, an erosion of the social norms that we experienced in civilian life and many other factors. The worst of which are stress, fear and uncertainty. It is normal for men to join the military and even though there are women of upper class in the service, if you average them you will find that the women are normally a little lower on the “social scale” than the men. I know that I’ll catch hell for this but the men are pretty much average and the women are pretty much below average on “social ranking.”- If you will just accept the premise for a moment without intent to harm or stereotype and continue with me-. Girls who had koodies and couldn’t get a date to the prom in high school suddenly feel very popular in the military where women are in short supply. One of the reasons that these women don’t get the respect from men is because they are the same today as they were in high school. They are still looked down upon by the average guy who may have partly grown out of teasing them but even in his desire for sex, still looks negatively upon these women. Some are wonderful women but on average, they just aren’t the gals that you take home to introduce to your mother.

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» RE: Perceptions? Posted by: fork
Perceptions?
Posted by: raywigton on May 13, 2008 10:54 PM   
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I’ve noticed that even in places where long established military bases exist but are what we call remote tours, the social norms of society are absent. Remote tours are the ones where we can’t take our wives and children with us because there aren’t schools or sufficient other facilities for them. Age, rank and education do not separate the behavior of men, only the discretion changes as they mature and have more to lose. I honestly can’t think of any man who served with me on any of my seven remote tours who didn’t cheat on their wives with local prostitutes and bar flies or with military women. Not any officers or senior enlisted; I swear, not a one was ever faithful, not the Pat Boone preacher type or the Donnie Osmond Mormon type either. For the record, my wife traveled with me and lived with me on the local economy all at our expense. Now mix this with the stress of combat, the fear that death has your number just around the river bend, the blood and guts that made most of you unwilling to go to med school even if you could, and the pain and suffering that you witness in the local population that you must make yourself insensitive to in order to carry on and not go crazy. You create a formula for rape and sexual assault and abusive behavior. Most women either submit voluntarily to sexual advances because they’re scared and lonely, horny as hell, or figure they sort of like the guy; or they get badgered into submission through their desire to be accepted among their peers. The only road to acceptance is through sexual submission because that is the one thing that the military woman can contribute to the unit. We don’t need a weaker soldier, we need someone to cuddle up with even when we think that she doesn’t measure up to our standards, that she’s no better than a whore or whatever. The military doesn’t turn men into monsters or teach them to kill civilians or commit any sort of crimes against humanity. The constant assault from the unknowing is offensive. Our military are pretty normal guys who may do wrong but they are no different than the average guy in your graduating class. It is true that we are creating another generation who will bring the nightmares of combat home with them. Twenty years ago I woke up with my wife’s throat in my hand while she was fighting for her life. I was calmly replaying the nightmare again in my dream where there was no sensitivity to the life I was exterminating once again. This explanation is from my heart and I hope that it gives you some sort of a feeling for what happens to ordinary people in extremely stressful situations.

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» RE: Perceptions? Posted by: peacefullaim
It's common knowledge . . .
Posted by: countingdaisies on May 13, 2008 11:38 PM   
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We have known about this since the first females were allowed in the military. I've never understood why a female would even want to join.

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» RE: It's common knowledge . . . Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» RE: It's common knowledge . . . Posted by: countingdaisies
Hillary Clinton, War Goddess
Posted by: angelofdeath on May 14, 2008 12:21 PM   
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this is her def of women's rights

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Now THERE's a soldier for you . . .!
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 15, 2008 8:30 AM   
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This is a lot like the essay concerning women in Africa. The woman who "needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" seem, indeed, to need a man. Obviously - they say so - they're not doing very well by their female selves. Are these women listening to what they're saying? “However, the greatest danger that military women in Iraq and Afghanistan face is from their male peers and officers.” Now THERE's a soldier for you! A soldier who is in more danger from her peers and officers is a soldier who pull his weight (maybe that's the trouble?) against the enemy? Thanks to the author here, though - perhaps no one has better explained, ever, why women have no place in any kind of combat.

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