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War on Iraq

If Dems Talk About 'Winning' in Iraq, Everybody Loses

By Ira Chernus, AlterNet. Posted April 10, 2008.


The Petraeus hearings trapped Democrats into talking about whether the 'surge' is working, not that the U.S. has no right to be there.
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It was supposed to be a "cakewalk." Gen. Petraeus would come to Congress, armed with his favorite charts showing that the "surge" had dramatically reduced violence in Iraq. He would earn universal acclaim for his plan to "pause" troop reductions from July until after the election -- the same plan that John McCain counts on to help him win the election.

When it comes to Iraq, though, the Bush administration's cakewalks never seem to turn out as planned. The renewed violence of these last weeks, and the prospect of more to come, gave war critics ample ammunition for a powerful counterattack. Congressional Democrats did a fine job of pinning the general under their verbal fire, trapping him in his own rosy but increasingly unbelievable promises of "progress."

Yet who was the trapper, and who really got trapped? The political fallout from events like this week's Petraus-Crocker hearings can be a long time coming. It's far too soon to draw any conclusion.

Though Petraeus appeared to be trapped, the debate about military success or failure in Iraq, which the Dems engaged in with such relish, also caught them in a trap, with the general's testimony as the bait. Because the debate is not literally about the level of violence in Iraq. "Has the 'surge' worked?" is really a symbolic way of asking: "Would you rather believe that America is a winner or a loser?" And in any battle over patriotic symbolism, the Republicans always seem to have the bigger guns.

So the Democrats would have been smarter to refuse the bait, to insist that this is not an old-fashioned World War II-style conflict, where force can produce a clear-cut winner. There's still time to make that strategic switch. Then they could refocus the debate on the crucial truths: We have no right to be in Iraq. The sooner we get out, the sooner we can begin to heal the terrible damage the war has done to us here at home.

It should have been obvious all along that the Republicans do not mean it literally when they say reducing violence in Iraq is their highest priority. It's not likely that too many of them care a whole lot about the killing and maiming of Iraqis. So when they speak so urgently about lower levels of violence, it's a coded way of saying something else; in fact, a lot of things.

For starters, "reduced violence" is a way to conjure up an image of American "success" in a war in which no real success (forget about "victory") is possible. The level of violence is the only concrete yardstick the administration has to gauge the success of the "surge"-- no small matter when a successful "surge" has become the prime symbol of achievement for U.S. troops and thus for the president's (and McCain's) war policies. The Bush administration, of course, still hopes to sell its failing war to the public by turning it into a gripping story of winners and losers. "Violence" has been its currency, the coin of the realm.

Since that story took hold, supporters of the Bush policy have insisted that violence in Iraq really has been subsiding, thus the president's "surge" strategy has worked. When Democrats and other war critics rejected that claim (no matter how convincing their arguments), they sparked a battle over who has the right, and the proper criteria, to evaluate the "surge." So violence-lowering success in Iraq also became a symbolic measure of Bush's political success here at home.

In fact the home front is the key, as it has been for years. Bush came into office as the hero of the right, not because he had sworn to defeat terrorism (that didn't start until 9/11), but because he had sworn to defeat 1960s-style liberalism and "secular humanism." For conservatives the war in Iraq, the war on terrorism and the political wars at home have all been symbols of the same struggle against trends they see undermining the fabric of American society.

By choosing John McCain to lead their troops in presidential battle, Republicans have voted with their feet. In effect, they have decided to make all their cherished battles hinge on the battle over Iraq policy and the "surge."

When McCain talks about Iraq, his words always point up the symbolic nature of the battle there. He offers no reasonable idea of who we are fighting or why. In fact, on the occasions when he brings the matter up, he seems remarkably confused on the cast of characters. As a result, he can offer no sensible outline of what "victory" in Iraq might mean.

Since McCain's talk about the war is really a code, it makes perfect sense to feature that Bush-era bogeyman, al-Qaeda, as our main enemy in Iraq. Al-Qaeda, after all, is "the terrorists," and we are always fighting "the terrorists." It makes no less sense in his symbolic universe to insist that al-Qaeda terrorists are being trained in Iran, a country whose leadership is deeply hostile to the organization. All enemies are interchangeable because all are merely symbols of a vaguely defined sense of uncontrolled evil, which is said to threaten America's moral virtue at home and abroad. George W. Bush was supposed to defeat that evil. He has obviously failed. Now, conservatives pin their hopes on a new champion whose mantra is "No Surrender."


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Ira Chernus is professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder and author of Monsters To Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 10, 2008 2:09 AM   
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We don't have to accept war-for-profit or management-by-terror.

Direct Democracy

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Realist
Posted by: talkville on Apr 10, 2008 3:03 AM   
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The Democrats will cave. It's far too deep and it's Empire. It's location between pro-American Saudi-Arabia and the UAE (non-democratic and despotic all of them) and the more independent and less predictable Iran, and the "Shiia Crescent" of Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and with Israel in the midst of it all to boot, the US is not going anywhere and will remain - owner, occupier and manager of Iraq. Oh! and Oil.

Democracy, Direct or Indirect? Like that Olympic Torch these days: in dire and imminent danger of extinction.

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It's odd that this article didn't mention Afghanistan
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 10, 2008 6:12 AM   
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Chernus is right on the money, but he fails to add that most Democratic leaders are scampering like eager puppies to expand the Iraq folly into Afghanistan and keep us in that quagmire indefinitely. (You folks don't REALLY think the Dems are any more immune to the military-industrial lobbyists than the Republicans, do you? The Dems will simply shift the imperial quest to a different arena.)

The Taliban and Al Queda are a sorry lot and deserve to be defeated, but the current NATO boondoggle in Central Asia certainly won't get the job done. And neither would increasing NATO forces by X thousands of troops, as current plans call for. But that doesn't faze our Congress a bit: After all, it's waging wars, not winning wars, that rings the cash registers and gets politicians re-elected.

All the current crop of candidates have to do is tap into the public's mixed emotions about the war(s), firmly but vaguely promise to make things better and then do what newly elected politicians always do -- nothing. Ain't democracy great?

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DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE CALL IT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 10, 2008 6:47 AM   
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We are adrift avoiding the problems we face because no one can decided what name to give them. Iraqis are miserable, Our soldiers and their families are being abused by their government and the best all these smart people can do is fight about what to call it. Clinton & Obama want to try to end it, that's what's important. It's reassuring to see that Petraeus joined the "sit there and look stupid club". No light at the end of the tunnel? No kidding General. Thanks, ANNA

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The Democrats will not help you
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Apr 10, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Look if you guys haven't figured it out yet the Democrats don't WANT to end the war. They just want you to think that they do to perepetuate the false left/right paradigm that we call politics. Go on believing that Obama isn't full of shit if it makes you feel better. The best he might do is keep American troops deployed in the Green Zone and at the multi-billion dollar bases we've built and let mercenaries take care of the security work in the field.

The Iraq war has been a smashing success for the elite. We have secured a massive amount of strategic resources, destabilized a troublesome region and gained a firm foothold in an area of immense geostrategic importance. This is not the end of the West's campaign for world economic and military dominance. I suspect Russia is the ultimate prize that we are working towards but that won't be realized anytime soon.

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The Bush/Cheney/Petraeus/Iraq War spin machine is throttled up at full RPM...
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 10, 2008 9:02 AM   
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and it might just make John McCain our 44th president.

That CANNOT happen! No matter how you feel about the Democratic Party, for the sake of our kids and their offspring, we must breach the Top Secret inner sanctum at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and uncover the biggest collection of traitors in U.S. history.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» One More Small Thing Posted by: blackie4aces
The Democrats, having enabled, make that SUPEREMPOWERED, the Bush gang DESERVE TO LOSE BIG BIG BIG !
Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 10, 2008 9:15 AM   
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Every time the Democrats cave in to Bush's requests, I get a stronger feeling that the Democrats deserve to lose for SHITTING on their base like that. I look forward to Democrats GOING DOWN IN FLAMES and LOSING ALL 50 STATES !

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The war and occupation is illegal and is a massive fraud.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 10, 2008 10:15 AM   
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Illegal under treaties signed by the U.S. banning aggressive warfare.
The claims about WMDs were deliberate lies, as were the claims about Saddam's links to Al Qaeda and 911. Illegal in that the main goal was military seizure of Iraq's natural resources. Yes, Saddam was a bad guy. So are our "friends" in Central Asia. So is Dick Cheney.

A massive fraud in that the Iraqi people and the U.S. taxpayers are being ripped off: The Iraqis get unmetered oil exports, puppet governors who rely on the U.S. military to stay in power, theft of Iraqi public assets by Paul Bremer and the CPA. U.S. citizens see massive government contracts being supplied to firms that donated millions to Republican coffers, i.e. KBR, Halliburton, Exxon and Bechtel, as well as to Democrat-linked firms like Feinstein's Perini.

There are no justifications for this. And yet, in all that star chamber testimony by Petraeus and Crocker, no one thought to ask the simplest question:

"General, how long would it take you to remove all U.S. troops and all private military contractors operating under US government contract from Iraq? If you were given a two-month timeline, could you do this?"

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The emperor's tailors remain hard at work
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 10, 2008 10:35 AM   
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Yes, if we argue over the beauty and the fit of the non-existent clothes being made for our empire, we are trapped. Claiming the surge is working is like praising the prettiness of a non-existent bustle.

The empire in Iraq has no clothes. We have no legitimate justification for being there. Sure, the promise is that we can continue to live exhorbitantly a little while longer if we plant ourselves permanently in the middle of the oil fields. That passes under the name "real-politik" but it is nothing other than lying and bullying.

The quickest way to get rich is to steal from others. That's what tyranny has always known. That's the unspoken excuse for pre-emptive war.

Where do we find our little child who will dare to tell us that the emperor has no clothes, the tailors are liars, the cost is the lives of our youth and our future? Just look at the children of Iraq.

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The United States should stay in Iraq.
Posted by: Pennyhead on Apr 10, 2008 10:51 AM   
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The United States should stay in Iraq.
April 9, 2008, 8:00 pm
Posted on YourThreeCents.com by Kozlo in Election2008

The United States should stay in Iraq and accomplish our mission. I support General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker. They are doing a fine job in bringing home to America the realities of what's going on in Iraq and what's at stake in any future decisions we make as a country in regards to Iraq.

We can't and must not leave Iraq for several reasons.


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Missing From The Discussion
Posted by: aamer923 on Apr 10, 2008 1:44 PM   
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Does any body care that we arrest, handcuff , blindfold civilian Iraqis and degrade them in front of their wives, kids or 5 years now in their own country. Is that ok because they are just Arabs? Just Muslims? Because they are not Americans? Does that help peace in the world??? How would people feel about Iraqis coming here and blindfolding and degrading us here in cedar rapids? Why do people go about their lives as if the only life that matters is American ???

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Barbara Boxer's Intelligent Questions
Posted by: aamer923 on Apr 10, 2008 1:58 PM   
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She asked why the Iranian president was welcome in Iraq? How come he was hugged and kissed on the cheeks while Bush and the VP sneak in the middle of the night.
Would somebody please tell her that Iranians and Iraqis have been neighbors for a while and they are also Muslims and Shia like Maliki and most of Iraq.. And that Iran did not occupy Iraq for 5 years and that Iran was not the one who initiated Abu Ghraib torture. And Majority of Iraqi see us as occupiers and see Iran as brothers of faith. And Iran does not have a plan to divide Iraq into three regions.

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You Can't 'Win' A War Based On Lies
Posted by: left_libertarian on Apr 10, 2008 4:38 PM   
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Obviously, if the spineless Democrats have not impeached the criminals Bush and Cheney by now, they never will.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 10, 2008 5:58 PM   
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If America doesn't move beyond representative democracy, everybody loses.


Direct Democracy

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One More Little Thing
Posted by: blackie4aces on Apr 11, 2008 8:04 PM   
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Really pisses you off, doesn't it?

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» RE: One More Little Thing Posted by: blackie4aces
the only way
Posted by: oxheadone on Apr 14, 2008 10:29 AM   
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of winning the war in Iraq is to impeach Bush and Cheney and expose the whole mess on TV. If the democrats do not impeach Bush and Cheney, the republicans will pin losing the war on them. (By the way, we won the war and could have left the day after Bush announced victory and everyone would now be lots better off - except for pieces of our military-industrial complex.) Our budget deficits are getting worse; our military is being shredded; our economy is faultering; we have lost most of the respect we had in the world -- and the Bush administration is hanging on so that the democrats get the blame for whatever cleaning up is still possible. And Mrs Clinton wants to be president no matter what it costs. We are up a big creek with a teaspoon for a paddle.

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