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War on Iraq

Don't Betray Us, General: Admit That Iraq Keeps Getting Worse and That the Surge Failed

By Tom Engelhardt, TheNation.com. Posted April 8, 2008.


Gen. David Petraeus ought to level with the American public about the dire state of affairs in Iraq in his testimony to Congress this week.
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They came, they saw, they deserted.

That, in short form, is the story of the recent Iraqi government "offensive" in Basra (and Baghdad). It took a few days, but the headlines on stories out of Iraq ("Can Iraq's Soldiers Fight?") now tell a grim tale and the information in them is worse yet. Stephen Farrell and James Glanz of the New York Times estimate that at least 1,000 Iraqi soldiers and policemen, or more than 4% of the force sent into Basra, "abandoned their posts" during the fighting, including "dozens of officers" and "at least two senior field commanders."

Other pieces offer even more devastating numbers. For instance, Sudarsan Raghavan and Ernesto Londoo of the Washington Post suggest that 30% of government troops had "abandoned the fight before a cease-fire was reached." Tina Susman of the Los Angeles Times offers 50% as an estimate for police desertions in the midst of battle in Baghdad's vast Sadr City slum, a stronghold of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia.

In other words, after years of intensive training by American advisors and an investment of $22 billion dollars, US military spokesmen are once again left trying to put the best face on a strategic disaster (from which they were rescued thanks to negotiations between Muqtada al-Sadr and advisors to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, brokered in Iran by General Qassem Suleimani, a man on the U.S. Treasury Department's terrorist watch list). Think irony. "From what we understand," goes the lame American explanation, "the bulk of these [deserters] were from fairly fresh troops who had only just gotten out of basic training and were probably pushed into the fight too soon."

This week, with surge commander General David Petraeus back from Baghdad's ever redder, ever more dangerous "Green Zone," here are a few realities to keep in mind as he testifies before Congress:

1. The situation in Iraq is getting worse: Don't believe anyone who says otherwise. The surge-ified, "less violent" Iraq the general has presided over so confidently is, in fact, a chaotic, violent tinderbox of city states, proliferating militias armed to the teeth, competing regions armed to the teeth, and competing religious factions armed to the teeth. Worse yet, under Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the U.S. has been the great proliferator. It has armed and funded close to 100,000 Sunnis organized into militias reportedly intent on someday destroying "the Iranians" (i.e. the Maliki government). It has also supported Shiite militias (aka the Iraqi army). In Basra, it took sides in a churning Shiite civil war. As Nir Rosen summed matters up in a typically brilliant piece in the Nation, Baghdad today is but a set of "fiefdoms run by warlords and militiamen," a pattern the rest of the country emulates. "The Bush administration," he adds, "and the U.S. military have stopped talking of Iraq as a grand project of nation-building, and the U.S. media have dutifully done the same." Meanwhile, in the little noticed north, an Arab/Kurdish civil war over the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, and possibly Mosul as well, is brewing. This, reports Pepe Escobar of Asia Times, could be explosive. Think nightmare.


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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Wishful thinking - Petraeus will be running the domestic propaganda operation.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 8, 2008 1:42 AM   
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In violation of the Smith-Mundt Act, no less:

Petraeus to claim Iran behind fight in Basra, Times UK: Iranian forces were involved in the recent battle for Basra, General David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq, is expected to tell Congress this week. Military and intelligence sources believe Iranians were operating at a tactical command level with the Shi’ite militias fighting Iraqi security forces; some were directing operations on the ground, they think. Petraeus intends to use the evidence of Iranian involvement to argue against any reductions in US forces.

Such propaganda is to be expected - the only real question is whether General Petraeus will be willing to take all the blame himself, or whether he will refer questions to Bush & Cheney or refuse to answer them due to being "outside his area of command."

What we'd really all like to hear about though, is this: Secret US plan for military future in Iraq: Document outlines powers but sets no time limit on troop presence. Guardian UK April 08

"A confidential draft agreement covering the future of US forces in Iraq, passed to the Guardian, shows that provision is being made for an open-ended military presence in the country.

The draft strategic framework agreement between the US and Iraqi governments, dated March 7 and marked "secret" and "sensitive", is intended to replace the existing UN mandate and authorises the US to "conduct military operations in Iraq and to detain individuals when necessary for imperative reasons of security" without time limit."


That looks like a plan for permanent occupation - and Petraeus and Crocker must know all about it. They're being cheered on, however - see, for example, the op-ed in the LA times by CFR member Max Boot:Resist the urge to leave Iraq. Prepare to be nauseated at the shit train of lies and deception, for example:

"Few who have spent any time in Iraq doubt that an American withdrawal would trigger chaos that would make the recent fighting in Basra look like a picnic. That would be not only a terrible stain on our honor (we might be indirectly responsible for genocide) but a significant strategic setback because it could destabilize the entire region."

This is Big Lie propaganda, aimed at convincing by repetition. In fact, the U.S. is the one destabilizing the entire region - as part of the strategy whose goal is still control of all Iraq oil production. Withdrawing troops, dropping the privatization plans, canceling all existing oil contracts, and having new elections overseen by the UN would result in stabilization of the country over time.

Don't expect any off-message behavior from Psyops Petraues, though - that's against the procedures outlined in the Counterinsurgeny Field Manual. This is the guy running Operation Phoenix in Iraq, remember?

Who wants to be that the secret plan to keep troops Iraq won't be addressed by any questions? Or will it? 50-50?

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Occupation Progaganda
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Apr 8, 2008 3:25 AM   
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The manipulation of public sentiment has always been a key part of the White House’s entire Iraq war and occupation enterprise, so we can expect it to play an important role in the Petraeus-Crocker testimony. For those interested in a psychological analysis of this warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration’s messaging targets five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. The video describes these warmongering appeals and offers suggestions for how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 8, 2008 4:27 AM   
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We don't have to accept war-for-profit or management-by-terror.

Direct Democracy

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This is going to be interesting
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 8, 2008 4:34 AM   
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General David Petraeus and I are both from Orange County, New York, two towns sixteen miles apart from each other. I come from Goshen and he's from Cornwall which is less than 10 miles down Route 9W from West Point on the other side of a mountain. The people I've met who went to High School with him tell me that he is a good guy: decent and as honest as they come.

Fine. Having said that, the question is just begging to be asked: If he is as honest as his friends say he is (and I have no reason to doubt that they are telling the truth) how is he going to look the Senate in the eye and tell them - face as straight as a board - that the "escalation" (let's call it buy its real name) is working?

It's also going to be interesting to watch Hillary Clinton and John McCain (who are partially responsible for this mess) posture and bloviate for the television cameras. That's going to be an absolute hoot!

I won't be able to watch this live because I have to go to work. But I'm going to be taping it, you can count on that!

By the way, did you see Hillary talking about Dr. King on April 4th? Does she have any idea how insincere she seems? The gal is a scream!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Martin Luther King 1929-1968

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Shock and awe me
Posted by: solrev on Apr 8, 2008 6:00 AM   
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After the initial shock and awe invasion, we were lost as to what we should do in Iraq. The war was based on a series of lies, WMD’s, regime change, democracy, and the truth has yet to come out. Therefore when the militias began to attack us, we immediately labeled them as terrorists. They were not terrorists they were patriots and the terrorists had yet to arrive. We ended up supporting a government that the al-Sadr Shia and Arab Sunni will not accept because, it is an Iranian backed Shia government. The Kurds are trying to carve themselves a chunk of heaven during the turmoil. The Iraq future looks like a civil war between a coalition of the al-Sadr Shia and Arab Sunni, both of whom are enemies of Iran, and the Iranian backed al-Badr Shia and the Kurdish Sunni. The main goal of Al-qaeda was to instigate an ethnic war to keep these Shia-Sunni alliances from arising, thus bogging our invasion down. The military is looking for an opportunity to say we won and go home, however that can not happen because we are on the wrong side of the Iraqi people. A change in policy is required that our present government can not support lest they admit the Iraq war deception, something the American people already recognize. Obama can go in and let the Iraqi people stand up and be counted, establish some truces and get us out. If the situation degenerates into a civil war, it is a war that must be fought. Obama can negotiate with Iran and keep their involvement in an Iraqi civil war at a minimum and make some great strides in solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Like Obama says all we can do is hope, and we can hope that he is not just another snake in the grass.

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» RE: Shock and awe me Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Shock and awe me Posted by: babs
JULIUS CAESER WAS A GENERAL,TOO
Posted by: ajmartin on Apr 8, 2008 6:08 AM   
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Petraeus is said to have political ambitions. Remember Julius and the resulting end of the Roman Republic.

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» RE: JULIUS CAESER WAS A GENERAL,TOO Posted by: Ellen Remore
A national hero???
Posted by: the man with a dog on Apr 8, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Having watched several speeches of General Betrayus on tv I believe he is so convincing that he deserves an Oscar.He is an insult to human intelligence

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» RE: A national hero??? Posted by: Sparks56
I vote for #2
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 8, 2008 7:01 AM   
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The Bush Administration has no learning curve! Brilliant. It doesn't even have the desire to learn from it's mistakes. Mistakes? It was all in the character of GWB before he ascended into the presidency. He messes up and moves on.

I don't have much hope that Petreus will resist. He has the negative example of every high ranking military realist from Shinseki to Fallon being forced out. You've got to go along or get going.

But what about us? I hope everyone who reads this will call Rep. John Conyers and press him to move up impeachment of Cheney/Bush. Otherwise, we're going to have another huge catastrophe in Iran. And then we have to insist that both Hillary and Barack get the message that the only good withdrawal is a full withdrawal. No army, no reserves, no mercenaries.

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» RE: I vote for #2 Posted by: Lauren
A dilemma
Posted by: sawdust on Apr 8, 2008 7:42 AM   
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I don't know which is going to be worse: BEING sick to my stomach after reading this assessment (all true, I fear), or GETTING sick after listening to Petraeus, Crocker, Hill, Barack and McSame for two days. Every time I think the propoganda and BS can't get any more ridiculous, they do. We simply have to get out and let the cards fall where they may.

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The spin continues!
Posted by: carbon-based on Apr 8, 2008 7:47 AM   
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One would have thought that after the embarassment of the moveon.org mess last year no one would be assuming Petraeus would be lying BEFORE his update.

Far left keeps digging a hole for itself - that is if anyone is listening!

Gen Petraeus is known as one of the most honest and capable military officers we have. He has proven that!

The left continues to position itself as anti military no matter what the situation!

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» carbon-based is always good for a laugh... Posted by: tornadorider2002
Iraq will be the demise of America as a leading world power..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 8, 2008 8:59 AM   
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It is clearly America's destiny to be destroyed as the leading world power in and due to Iraq..!

Just learn to accept it..get used to it..!

We are going down the drain our once bright light is waining it is a classic case of a culture creating the circumstances of it's own demise..

Poor leadership and loss of faith by a corrupt government in the greatness of it's people and failure to strengthen it's and support it's own people and industries and comparative advantage..

Iraq will be America demise as the leading or a great world power..

General Petraeus is just doing his part in America's Geo political destruction..as a world power..!

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Failure or something else?
Posted by: willymack on Apr 8, 2008 9:02 AM   
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How stupid, inept, and clueless can the bush crime family be? I think it depends on what the REAL goals of the Iraq tragedy are. If one accepts the idea that we can bludgeon the Iraqis into abandoning centuries of tribal rivalries, religious fanaticism, and other behaviors, deeply ingrained in the people there, and convert them to another way of thinking, leading to a golden age of democracy, peace, and cooperation with the West (mostly US) wherein they gladly let us use as much of their oil as we want because of the precious gifts we've so magnanimously bestowed upon them, then the effort is a dismal failure. If, on the other hand, the REAL aim of the crooks in Washington and London is to steal Iraq's oil and create an unending and profitable conflict in order to extract every dime from those unfortunate people possible and set up the area for even more aggression, theft, and war profits, the effort has been a resounding success. Take a look at the FACTS of the situation; the rich war mongers are getting RICHER, and the rest of us are getting the SHAFT, so don't look for anything resembling a "solution" to a situation tailor-made for theft and profit.The criminals at the top will have to be forced to quit their illegal, brutal, and uncaring activities. Their pathological greed has taken over their lives, much the same way a drug addiction does for an addict.

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Petraeus is a politician, not a patriot.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 9:03 AM   
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As a former Regular Air Force officer with the greatest respect for American military leaders unless proven wrong, I have defended General Petraeus in the past as a trustworthy and principled soldier. But after watching him tap dance before Congress today instead of speaking the truth about Iraq, I am convinced he's a Bush-league politician, not a true patriot.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the author of George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT, published in 2004.

Attention NEW Alternet visitors interested in the TRUTH about Bush: To read a sample chapter of PFP and learn about the only smoking-gun proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet, visit www.PhonyFighterPilot.com.

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A matter of viewpoint
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 9:36 AM   
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Today in the Los Angeles Times, rightwing columnist Max Boot (also a PNAC signatory) defined victory in Iraq as the establishment of "a democratic state that does not oppress its own people, provide a haven for terrorists, proliferate weapons of mass destruction or threaten its neighbors."

More than likely, seen from a Middle East Muslim perspective, that definition does NOT apply to the United States.

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» RE: A matter of viewpoint Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: A matter of viewpoint Posted by: babka
» RE: A matter of viewpoint Posted by: nochicagoboys
For the Dems....It will always be 1972....
Posted by: CatDad on Apr 8, 2008 9:53 AM   
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The 1972 McGovern defeat will always haunt the Democrats...Bush knows this and will continually use it whip Democrats in line....

The Dems will take our antiwar votes to get elected...They'll talk a good talk in Congressional testimonies and on C-Span.....Yet when push comes to shove...they'll cave in every time and give Bush whatever he wants on the war...That's why Bush still has that smug look about him in spite of loosing both houses of Congress in 06...He knows he can easily manipulate Democrats to do his will on foreign policy.

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As I watch the testimony today...
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 8, 2008 10:12 AM   
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I am thoroughly disgusted with the questions being asked of Petraeus and Crocker. And that's coming from the Democrats! (I expect ridiculous questions from Republic senators - no surprise there!)

Their utter lack of knowledge of the situation there, the difference between Sunni and Shia, the difference between Shia factions, the sheer ignorance of those charged with "finding facts" is astonishing. I see softballs being lobbed to Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker, and they are giving back the lies they've been told to give.

I would urge everyone to print out the Joshua Holland articles on Iraq, the Nir Rosen Nation article, the Gareth Porter article, and send (fax) them to our Senators TODAY! These people seriously need some help with information, and need an immediate introduction to the facts on the ground in Iraq. If they can't be bothered to find out what is going on there, maybe it's our job to inform them.

I can't stomach watching this "testimony" for too long without a break. It's nauseating.

Am I the only one that is so angry I could spit?

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Shochinawe, Wisconsin
Posted by: hadashito on Apr 8, 2008 10:46 AM   
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While we thank Tom Englehardt for his brave pleadings that a Cheney/Bush military cronie, inveterate word twister, and "wait another several months until after the election" logic, should set the record straight and for once tell the truth about the disaster the Cheney team has created in Iraq, repeated exhortations, while warranted, will hardly make a dent in the desperate course of this bloody neocon fraud. In the meantime, the moron in the Oval Office, who is incapable of understanding these events, speechifying about victory and the evil doers from a Karl Rove or Dick Cheney script, still thinks that Shock-and-awe is a town Wisconsin that was named after some American Indian or other.

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New definition of "infinity"
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 11:03 AM   
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Forget Einstein. In General Petraeus' testimony before Congress today, he gave a new definition of INFINITY: Applied to Iraq. our troops will be there as long as conditions (?) require their presence.

Welcome to Alice in Wonderland.

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defshepard
Posted by: aurora545 on Apr 8, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Don't hold your freaking breath. Gen Petraeus needs to keep his job and please his masters. Then he can retire off into the golden sunset just like the rest of those rats. Leaving behind a sinking ship that is going down faster and faster. I never thought I would see in my lifetime a quagmire worse and more destructive than Vietnam, but here it is. God help us all in the coming years.

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» RE: defshepard Posted by: badkitty
Nothing New Here!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Apr 8, 2008 11:50 AM   
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The General is saying the same old thing! Until we put "new" and effective leadership in place this "police" action will go on forever! If you want more wars vote John McWar! Stop the Insanity!

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A venture capitalist Disneyland
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Apr 8, 2008 12:09 PM   
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There's really only one reason for Bush's invasion of Iraq (or Afghanistan): Profits. Which is actually the only reason for any war ever fought--regardless of whatever Sacred Cause was the bullshit of its day. . . how else would you possibly dupe anybody into fighting?

This particular genocide is proving a big disappointment for people like the Carlyle Group, who in 2003 all heard a resounding "Ca-Ching" whenever Iraq was mentioned, while haboring nary a care for "collateral damage."

I recommend Barbara Tuchman's "The Guns of August" or, more recently, Naomi Klein's analysis of this phenomenon, "The Shock Doctrine." The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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I also wanna know how the fuck
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 8, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Petraeus can sit there before a Senate committee (with a straight face) and actually say that he won't engage in a discussion on the policies of Iraq.

Isn't that the whole point of his testimony? To answer questions concerning the policies in Iraq??? WTF??? What planet are we on?

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More explanatory value needs
Posted by: SlyGuy on Apr 8, 2008 12:42 PM   
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What this article doesn't say is much about why desertions occur and the Iraqi government forces won't "stand up." It's not, as well explained on other postings, because they lack training or gumption. Rather, their political sympathies do not lie with the poorly-respected Maliki regime. Instead, they believe as many in opposition do, that Maliki stands for "puppet" and oil scams, intended to stay on just long enough to try to sell out Iraqi national interests. Lacking a real and viable civil mechanism by which to oppose and reconcile national interests,the many armed factions fight to stay in the game, wage guerilla war to fight another day, and maintain or build popular support against U.S. puppets. It's really true very large majorities want the U.S. out, and our puppets. No, it won't be pretty. Never is when your POTUS declares he opposes "nation building," but acts in ways more aptly described as "nation destroying." By the way, "surge" is merely "delay" and "success" in Iraq has nothing to do with any characteristic of the state of the country, only oil rights, security agreements constitutional or not to protect access to oil, and maintaining a threatening military presence to others in the region, even if that projection of power is false and self-defeating.

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» RE: More explanatory value needs Posted by: Joshua Holland
Petreaus, Why are You Becoming a Traitor?
Posted by: sofla100 on Apr 8, 2008 1:34 PM   
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Petreaus has been given access directly to Bush and talks with him regularly. Petreaus knows the war is on a steady decline. But, he cannot tell the truth to Congress. The 4000 dead US soldiers, the estimated 100,000 Iraqi's dead, the tens of thousands of USA soldiers wounded, many for the rest of their lives with disabilities. $3 trillion USA dollars and the American economy down the tubes. The cost has been horrendous. The only thing left, feign progress, make Iran into a bogeyman. But Petreaus, if you would tell the truth, then at least you could avoid the judgment of history. A judgment that now would label you as just another war criminal!

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War Criminal
Posted by: Litt_Wmn on Apr 8, 2008 2:18 PM   
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Waiting for the day this man and his masters will be brought to justice for what they really are. For now, can only watch them and and their murderous deeds in silence.

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How many of us can see?
Posted by: tornadorider2002 on Apr 8, 2008 4:01 PM   
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I wonder how many Americans have sat there thinking, there's no way our military advisors and leaders are that f-ing stupid. There was never an exit plan because the US wants a permanent occuptation of this area, and is currently feeding us crap via the network news about Iran so that nobody is surprised when we try to invade them too. There are enough fearful, uneducated bibleheads out there who are preoccupied with gays and other women's wombs, so this might work.

They didn't want enough troops over there to actually do more than take over the country and keep the population under some semblance of control. I remember reading something years ago, before this war started, in which government experts were saying that the new wars will be fought in the streets, house to house, and person to person....and that our old-fashioned military is not ready for this sort of no-rules combat. This was expected from the onset of our invasion.

So I cannot believe that the US went over there thinking that they were going to do anything more than what they currently are doing. The trick was to get us to think that there was a threatening boogeyman over there that HAD to be removed for the safety of our "homeland" (uh, oh...mushroom clouds on the horizon!)....then, once enough American GIs have died, it becomes an issue of "honor" and "don't let them die for nothing".

There are only three reasons that I can see that we went over there:

1. To occupy the land next to the largest light crude oil reserve left in the world. Watch how Iran is "annexed" over because they are a "nuclear threat", or maybe the story will be that Iranians are killing GIs in Iraq. (Hey, North Korea is a "threat" too, but since they really DO have atomic weapons, we won't do squat to them).

2. To enrich the pockets of the companies who do well when people fight and die, or when oil fields are taken over: Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater Security, etc. Cheney gets monthly payments from his Halliburton stock, and we allow this no-souled cyborg to continue unabated in his war crimes and conflicts of interest.

3. To position ourselves closer to our masters in Israel. They need more oil too, and ain't nobody gonna get it for them except Uncle Sam. It also helps to have Sam around in case Israel bombs somebody who starts bombing them back. I hate to write this last one, because I love my Jewish friends, but I gotta say it, because it's true.

I watch the national network news to get the latest lies. Only, I know they're lies. We're spoon-fed the garbage we're supposed to believe so that those who truly are the puppetmasters of this horror can continue unmolested.

If you want to know the direction of BushCo's latest imperialistic aims, you'll be told a lot of lies about how whatever place it is, is a huge threat and has done terrible things to Americans. if we don't believe the lies, they might get more creative and throw in atrocities done to women and children.

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what is wrong with this picture?
Posted by: babka on Apr 8, 2008 5:42 PM   
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April 27th, the Nazi title for the obliteration of Guernica was "Shock and Awe".

When listeners complained about the deliberate and widespread use by media of Bushspeak language finesse - the continual deliberate mis-use use of the word "troops" to replace "soldiers" (ie. five troops died rather than five men) - we were told (by NPR) that the Marines had insisted upon it.

Today Petraus (who tends to step up his use of "um" the faster he tapdances, defined in his exaltation of the lure of re-enlistment, the joy of fellowship with other "troopers".

Max Factor just killed an ad campaign for mascara and lip-gloss that was praising these make-up products as fab, waterproof "Storm Troopers" - turned out the young ad kids had never heard of the Nazis or the S.S. - they associated the term simply with Star Wars.

The fifth reich: today Iraq, tomorrow the world.

While discussing race vs. gender, Oprah's guru 'spirituality" vs. Rev. Wright's radical Christianity, have we had a look at the generation gap?

A man you wouldn't buy a used car from has used the Presidency as a long, criminal dry-drunk's genocide.....10 years of "sanctions" previous, and then: the kill. Even in today's congressional session, they linked 9/11 with the "War on Terrorism".......good God,, who is writing these scripts?

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Tell it like it is, General....
Posted by: eosrk on Apr 8, 2008 6:32 PM   
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...we....fucked....up.....real.....bad.....!!!

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SEE VIDEO and Help the antiwar efforts of Tomas Young and others
Posted by: representativepress on Apr 8, 2008 9:59 PM   
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SEE VIDEO and Help the antiwar efforts of Tomas Young and others

Promoting this film helps the antiwar movement. I interviewed Phil Donahue in this Representative Press Video, please help amplify his efforts and my efforts, get this video to others. It is important that good crowds show up at the theaters. WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9 the movie is showing in NY and Donahue and the co-director will be there. Spread the word.
See VIDEO: See Body of War, Hear Body of War * Part 2

I want Phil Donahue's appearance in my video to have been productive so I am really trying to get this video maximum exposure.

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The candidate missing from the hearing
Posted by: amacd on Apr 9, 2008 1:10 PM   
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The 'other' presidential candidate, 'democracy advocate', Ralph Nader, would never have accepted the lies and dissembling that all the 'leading' candidates cowered before.

The only presidential candidate who won't drag his feet, delay, and 'slow walk' the Iraq war is Nader.

The only presidential candidate who recognizes, confronts, and will fight the 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind this 'Vichy' two-party sham of a government is Nader.

The only presidential candidate who will stop the corporatist Empire’s looting of the FED and US citizens is Nader.

Stop the 'Shock Doctrine(s)' of the corporatist Empire in Iraq oil-wars and economic oppression and tyranny at home --- vote Nader.

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The Narrow Way
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Apr 10, 2008 2:46 PM   
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America has reached a fork in the road: It is plain to see our tragic masadventure in the Middle East has failed. Our experiment to bring
"democracy" (with a lower case "d") cannot be forced upon a nation that didn't ask for it from us, especially the American kind.
In our manner to do so we have abandoned dialogue and used brute force of the American military to reinforce our standing in the world.
Opposing views about America's use of force have been quashed. The Left and others who have expressed reservations about our governemnt's drive for power are labeled as traitors or considered acts of treason. We cannot simply go along with the current tide of lies and explanations on a "surge" (the only thing that's surging is the level of violence and despair)in which Gen. Petraeus and the Bush minions try to do.
Dissenting voices aren't found in our government. No one it seems wants to get off this narrow path we've taken. The road we've chosen is so narrow we can't stop and ask directions for the next exit.
The events of Sept. 11 were now a ruse to launch an ill-fated crusade into the Middle East once again and the subsequent "war" on "terror" has the same ingredients in Manifest Destiny as the near extenction of Native Americans and the theft of their lands.
Democracy bought to Iraq and Afghanistan by Halliburton, Rayhteon, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, Apple Computers, and Chevron.

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And then?
Posted by: Kevin Straw on Apr 13, 2008 4:11 AM   
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Try this on for size: Iran has been reported building sites for long-range rockets. Does the West act now, or wait till Iran has a nuclear weapon (perhaps several) pointed at the heart of New York or London or Paris? Will withdrawal from Iraq encourage or discourage Iran. Anyone who has a pat answer to this is not thinking. A stand-off was thinkable against the USSR because the West and the USSR were thinking strategically along the same lines. But the current leaders in Iran are suicide bombers in democratic clothing - there is a millenarial element to their thinking which makes their reactions very hard to judge.

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