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War on Iraq

Vets Break Silence on Iraq War Crimes

By Aaron Glantz, IPS News. Posted March 7, 2008.


"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
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Former U.S. Army Sgt Logan Laituri Photo by Nina Berman
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U.S. veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are planning to descend on Washington from Mar. 13-16 to testify about war crimes they committed or personally witnessed in those countries.

"The war in Iraq is not covered to its potential because of how dangerous it is for reporters to cover it," said Liam Madden, a former Marine and member of the group Iraq Veterans Against the War. "That's left a lot of misconceptions in the minds of the American public about what the true nature of military occupation looks like."

Iraq Veterans Against the War argues that well-publicized incidents of U.S. brutality like the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the massacre of an entire family of Iraqis in the town of Haditha are not the isolated incidents perpetrated by "a few bad apples," as many politicians and military leaders have claimed. They are part of a pattern, the group says, of "an increasingly bloody occupation."

"The problem that we face in Iraq is that policymakers in leadership have set a precedent of lawlessness where we don't abide by the rule of law, we don't respect international treaties, so when that atmosphere exists it lends itself to criminal activity," argues former U.S. Army Sergeant Logan Laituri, who served a tour in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 before being discharged as a conscientious objector.

Laituri told IPS that precedent of lawlessness makes itself felt in the rules of engagement handed down by commanders to soldiers on the front lines. When he was stationed in Samarra, for example, he said one of his fellow soldiers shot an unarmed man while he walked down the street.

"The problem is that that soldier was not committing a crime as you might call it because the rules of engagement were very clear that no one was supposed to be walking down the street," he said. "But I have a problem with that. You can't tell a family to leave everything they know so you can bomb the shit out of their house or their city. So while he definitely has protection under the law, I don't think that legitimates that type of violence."

Iraq Veterans Against the War is calling the gathering "Winter Soldier," after a quote from the U.S. revolutionary Thomas Paine, who wrote in 1776: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

Organizers say video and photographic evidence will also be presented, and the testimony and panels will be broadcast live on Satellite TV and streaming video on ivaw.org.

Winter Soldier is modeled on a similar event held by Vietnam Veterans 37 years ago.

In 1971, over 100 members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War gathered in Detroit to share their stories with fellow citizens. Atrocities like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war, but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were isolated exceptions.


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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 7, 2008 3:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There's no statute of limitations on genocide.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: ALANHESTER
Mistake?
Posted by: farhada on Mar 7, 2008 4:17 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
War against Iraq was not a mistake, it was a well planned scenario for "recreating a new Middle East" as Bush & Co. Admitted for a short period of time before they changed it back to anti-terrorism slogans.

War make animals out of humans, and monsters out of animals. There is no good in war, anyone who have been in one knows about it, specially when it is fought 1000s of kilometers away from home and the fight is mostly against civilians population or "insurgents".

When the policy of the US is "everything goes" and the soldiers are told that they can not be held accountable for what ever they do, many of them go over the limit, the push it more and more and abnormality becomes norm and absurd behavior becomes an acceptable procedure, the war in Vietnam showed that clearly and now we see this in Iraq again.

the problem is not the soldiers, but the war machine and the whole US society that does not question the leaders for the crime committed by sub-ordinance soldiers or officers. If people like Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney were to face war crime in their country for ordering these poor kids into situations where they become such monsters, then the next president, general or leader of the United States would think twice before approving or looking asside for such crimes.

/Farhad Abdolian

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» RE: Hardly "poor kids" Posted by: DesertStone
» RE: Hardly "poor kids" Posted by: farhada
» RE: Hardly "poor kids" Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Hardly "poor kids" Posted by: babs
» The media drives Red Herrings! Posted by: Verjenie
An excellent commentary on the inhumane behavior of military personnel,
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Mar 7, 2008 4:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
here is Alex Jones discussing the evils committed by U.S. troops, the absolute necessity of denouncing and punishing the perpetrators of these atrocities, the dehumanization of U.S. culture in such a way that millions of people - plenty of them in the military and police forces - get off sexually on internet clips of torture and killing, and the fact that defending such behavior under the aegis of patriotism will allow the evil to spread until it destroys this society.

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» Your comment makes no sense Posted by: andabottleof_rum
Get the ones at the top
Posted by: Democritus on Mar 7, 2008 6:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is instructive that the human rights violations that occurred at Abu Ghraib resulted in punishments being meted out only to enlisted personnel. The ones at the top got off with only a slap on the wrist (Karpinski) or nothing at all. We now know that worse crimes were committed, yet the top brass continues to deny that this is any more than isolated incidents. But officers are supposed to control the behavior of enlisted personnel. If they don't or can't do it, they should be replaced.

Because the military refuses to purge its ranks of the officers responsible for allowing war crimes to occur, and because Defense Department refuses to take further action, Congress must act to remove the stain of dishonor that has been placed on the United States. A good place to start would be right at the top: impeachment proceedings against Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

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» RE: Get the ones at the top Posted by: drsivana99
America land of the lost
Posted by: solrev on Mar 7, 2008 6:19 AM   
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I remember watching the news and seeing a couple of buildings disappear and the commentator said, “bad intell Saddam was not there”. Those smart bombs probably just killed more Iraqi than were killed at My Lai. One floor of one building was a restaurant, Iraqi families eating supper, and all we could say was bad intell. I was in shock and awe. When it is man to man and hand to hand we call it a massacre or illegal killing, but if it is long range it is nothing personal just business. Iraqi believe in the law of retaliation so some body has to pay for that, yet we are insulted when they bushwhack us. We need a better definition of war to replace “in our best interest”. War is an act of genocide, if you are not willing to kill every man, woman and child that you find in the land of your enemy, you do not belong in that war and they are not your enemy. The best offense is a good defense, so turn the other cheek and improve your defense.

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This shows how one war is just like every other war. Iraq=Vietnam=every other war.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 7, 2008 7:46 AM   
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At issue is the idea that war can be sanitized. We have rules for war as we do for games. So it's OK if we play by the rules? That's insanity.

Expecting that war will be like it was in a horse opera, where the good guy has a duel with the bad guy, is foolish.

There have been too many "wars to end all wars." Wars will only end when we stop preparing for them. Disarm, disarm, disarm.

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» No, Lauren.. Posted by: henderson
» RE: No, Henderson... Posted by: Crazy H
» aggressive war Posted by: leafsong1
bush tap dancing
Posted by: thealltheone on Mar 7, 2008 8:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F5hedJe1pYA

this just says it all....

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» RE: bush tap dancing Posted by: Quannah
» RE: bush tap dancing Posted by: braxxian1
Ultimate Crimes
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 7, 2008 9:14 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
War is the ultimate evil, especially when it is bound up with "legalized" torture, with genocide, with rape; especially when it is a hideously callous mass-slaughter of innocents such as the Iraq war (and Afghanistan war too).

What do we expect when the military at first promises, for show, to hold investigations into war-crimes that have occurred; but soon all charges are dropped against the defendants, as happens time and time again?
And don't forget the probably even worse war-crimes committed by private security contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Life, especially foreign brown life, is worthless to those who have committed these ultimate crimes. Someday our soldiers and the American private security contractors may, just may (unless the war goes on indefinitely), return back to the US. I fear the results of their return much more than I fear any "Islamofascist" terrorists.

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pdennany
Posted by: Pop on Mar 7, 2008 10:57 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The only really bad "Mistake" was the failure to do a real and independant investigation into what really demolished the WTC. Had it been done, there would not have been an invasion into Afghanistan and Iraq, and our Constitution would still be working, rogue Bush regime would be in prison, the approximately l million innocent Middle
Eastern victims of bush tyranny would still be living and tending to their domestic needs.

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» RE: pdennany Posted by: Lauren
Current Plague of Aggression and War
Posted by: marizara on Mar 7, 2008 11:54 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When you see even profoundly retarded people getting angry, you will know that it is a viral infection that is the cause. It is creeping its way across the entire planet.

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American for liberty, truth, and justice
Posted by: Michael_D on Mar 7, 2008 1:29 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our military is nothing less or more than a reflection of society with which it is made up. Sad.

Please wake up people! Obama is a cousin of Cheney and is a CFR mouthpiece just like the other and you people want to still deny how these criminals roll? Caught up in the crossfire of power/corruption like so many! He says only "change" allot thus proving his inexperience or will to tackle our REAL problems!!!! He is no different at ALL than the others.

The Clinton's ? watch this and WAKE UP TO THE TRUE POWER OF MEDIA MANIPULATION!

The revolution is on. Wake up to what we all have let the media do to America. They have now consolidated into only 5 corporations for everything on AMERICAN TV!!!! Half the commentators on TV

are even fooled!!!

oh yea, realize this fact too pretty damn quick:

Coke Bush


If you want to see some REAL patriots look here
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and watch this TRUTH too
REAL American Hero

They do this by contolling information and by GREATLY influencing our elections with the BUSH-CHENEY connected DIEBOLD MACHINES (now PRIMIER) and all kinds of other strong arm tactics

around the nation whereby they influence or STEAL the elections!.

Wake up if you love American freedom and hate needless war for profit and/or overthrowing of governments and confusion of the masses by corrupt CIA and all the neocons!

This is what the media/government has done to us for too long. The internet and people rising up with the TRUTH after all these years of media lies is the only thin that can help America now. There is no

left or right in America at this moment. Only corruptness and media lies so big that most can't see though it.

McCain is one of the WORST puppets out there!!! His top four contributors, (like most candidates, are... BANKS!

R E S E A R C H

Ron Paul’s military contributions are greater than those of all other current candidates – John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama –combined.

The “Top Contributors” figures can be found at www.opensecrets.org.

JOIN the rEVOLution people. IT IS DUTY.

When big media blocks Ron Paul out, it blocks YOU (and all your kids and family) out.

Why do you think they spew so much about "terrorists"?

Starting to get the picture now?

No more lies. They must go. The time is now.

STAND UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Join the revolution. Take back America. Shun the non-believers.

TaxDay08

and sure don't miss the rally on DC on June 21st.

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No joke
Posted by: luckypuck on Mar 7, 2008 2:56 PM   
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Even though this may sound like pie-in-the-sky whacky, I think there's a way to GUARANTEE that no US soldier will be the last to die for the tsunami of mistakes made by president Cheneybush.

While the troops are withdrawing and their materiel is being airlifted out of Iraq, deploy Blackwater and the other mercenaries to protect the troops during the evacuation. To make sure they do their jobs, dock their salaries a certain amount for every soldier killed on the mercenaries' watch or for every HumVee or tank lost during the evacuation process.

The mercenaries are being paid big bucks to fight in Iraq, let them really earn their keep. Oh, and make them use their own resources to get out of Iraq when all our troops are home safe.

I suppose Cheneybush wouldn't allow any of this to happen . . . unless, of course, he wasn't president any longer.

Impeach Cheneybush NOW.

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» RE: No joke Posted by: peacefullaim
America Should Have Learned from Vietnam
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 7, 2008 3:06 PM   
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From the beginning, this war has been about fighting an insurgency, an uprising and a popular rebellion, much more then it ever was about terrorism or Al-Qaeda. But, the media has been throwing the bogeyman (Al-Qaeda/terrorism) at us for so long now, that few Americans really still know the truth. Now, in fighting an insurgency, unless you can win "hearts and minds," you end up fighting the common, regular people. Why?, because you never know who the enemy is, or who sympathizes with the enemy. It's the same thing that happened in Vietnam. The end result is an increasing level of atrocities, of mayhem, made all the worse as a stalemate develops. You think America would have learned from Vietnam, but she never has.

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Anyone interested in the film of the Winter Soldier action can get it here
Posted by: mclemens on Mar 7, 2008 3:56 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
http://www.wintersoldierfilm.com/

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Impeach The Criminals Bush and Cheney
Posted by: left_libertarian on Mar 8, 2008 3:40 AM   
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Try them
and then
hang them high

have a national day of celebration
and liberation

watch it on CNN

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RAF ban on wearing uniforms, UCL block British military from student union
Posted by: Woodpecker on Mar 8, 2008 4:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Personally I think the whole business of alleged abuse of RAF personnel wearing their uniforms and UCL banning the British military from its premises is proof of the stupid "gesture politics" mentality so beloved of Far Left groupuscules!

Terry

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