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War on Iraq

Militarism Is Deeply Entrenched in the American Psyche

By William Astore, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 6, 2008.


The military is not from Mars. We must understand its endless appeal if we ever hope to change it.
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Hardly a week passes in which we don't hear about what the fallout from two disastrous wars is doing to the overextended, overstrained U.S. military, not to speak of the problems the armed forces are facing in retaining and recruiting members. Recently, there have been reports on a startling rise in war-related suicides, figures that "could push the Army's overall suicide rate to its highest level since [it] began keeping such records in 1980"; on a possible link between the concussions one in six American combat troops suffer from roadside bombs in Iraq and a heightened risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder or a variety of other ailments; on another lowering of recruitment standards ("the percentage of new recruits entering the Army with a high school diploma dropped to a new low in 2007 ..."); on increasingly over-deployed, ill-equipped, ill-prepared Reserve and National Guard units that may be incapable of coping with future domestic crises ("Guard readiness has continued to slide since last March, when the panel found that 88 percent of Army National Guard units were rated 'not ready ...'"); and on the ever more slippery slope downhill in the "forgotten war" in Afghanistan. This is certainly one aspect of the U.S. military equation -- the one readers at Tomdispatch are most likely to hear about.

But there is another aspect to this -- and it's important. Retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel William Astore last wrote for this site on military officials and right-wing politicians who were preparing their own exit strategies from Iraq in the form of stab-in-the-back theories. Now, he makes clear how striking it is that, under the most demanding of conditions, volunteers still arrive at military recruitment offices in surprising numbers; and, no less significantly, that Americans still trust their military above all other institutions in this society. Consider his canny analysis of what to make of this below. Introduction written by TomDispatch editor Tom Englehardt.

The Tenacity of American Militarism
What Progressives and Other Critics Don't Get about the U.S. Military

By William J. Astore

Recent polls suggest that Americans trust the military roughly three times as much as the president and five times as much as their elected representatives in Congress. The tenacity of this trust is both striking and disturbing. It's striking because it comes despite widespread media coverage of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, the friendly-fire cover-up in the case of Pat Tillman's death, and alleged retribution killings by Marines at Haditha. It's disturbing because our country is founded on civilian control of the military. It's debatable whether our less-than-resolute civilian leaders can now exercise the necessary level of oversight of the military and the Pentagon when they are distrusted by so many Americans.

What explains the military's enduring appeal in our society? Certainly, some of this appeal is obvious. Americans have generally been a patriotic bunch. "Supporting our troops" seems an obvious place to go. After all, many of them volunteered to put themselves in harm's way to protect our liberties and to avenge the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. For this, they receive pay and benefits that might best be described as modest. Trusting them -- granting them a measure of confidence -- seems the least that could be offered.

Before addressing two other sources of the military's appeal that are little understood, at least by left-leaning audiences, let's consider for a second the traditional liberal/progressive critique. It often begins by citing the insidious influence of Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex," throwing in for good measure terms like "atrocity," "imperialist," "reactionary," and similar pejoratives. But what's interesting here is that this is often where their critique also ends. The military and its influence are considered so tainted, so baneful that within progressive circles there's a collective wringing of hands, even a reflexive turning of backs, as if our military were truly from Mars or perhaps drawn from the nether regions where Moorlocks shamble and grunt in barbarian darkness.


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William J. Astore is a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF). He has taught cadets at the U.S. Air Force Academy, officers at the Naval Postgraduate School, and currently teaches at the Pennsylvania College of Technology. He is the author of Hindenburg: Icon of German Militarism(Potomac Press, 2005), among other books. He may be reached at wastore@pct.edu.

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Entrenched as religion
Posted by: Lector on Feb 6, 2008 12:39 AM   
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During the 90’s, and in my ignorance, my experience in the military was 100 per cent positive but circumstances have changed and people in today’s economy and those who sign up are mostly motivated by less by patriotism and more by the steady paycheck. My call to the colors was like a priest’s calling to the Church, there is little difference, both have hierarchies of strict authority, both require sacrifices and fighting an enemy, both of these “sacred” organizations take good care of you. But woe to you if you do not toe the line; they will squash you like a steamroller. All totalitarian systems do.

Pointless

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» RE: ntrenched as religion Posted by: Dorothee
An Honorable Institution Used For Dishonorable Things
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 6, 2008 1:04 AM   
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I served 8 years in the United States Army. I didn't do it because I needed a job or had no other option- I enlisted because I had the desire to serve my country for a period of time, and one's youth is well suited to that end. I was not alone in the nature and purpose of my service and actually was more commonly the rule rather than an exception to it.

My work was rather unusual in that I worked with people in every layer and sector of our armed forces at different times and got a big picture view that few see, especially in their 20's.

The author's observations concerning the diversity and meritocracy were certainly accurate during my service during the 1980's- although things might have changed since then. During that time the average recruit coming in was as academically well prepared and educated as the average college undergrad. No GED's, jailbirds or gang bangers need apply.

One of the things most characteristic of the military is that it allows exceptional young people to assume great responsibility at a fairly young age- something rarely seen in the private sector. Great responsibility, a high standard of discipline and and expectation of excellence was the everyday expectation from the Corporals and Specialists serving as Team Leaders in field units through the Commanders up at HQ. It was a no-excuses environment- very binary with few, if any, shades of gray.

It also allows kids of all kinds of backgrounds a chance to define their lives by what they can do- not based upon who their mom or dad is or what their family standing is in the community. Race, ethnicity and sex were not as important as the ability of one to perform, achieve and excel. I didn't see the racial or sexual hostility that others have reported as the norm. What I saw was an institution committed to excellence, honor and duty that strived to be class and color blind. A meritocracy.

All was not perfect, as the institutional conservatism and tradition in some ways hinders forward thinking and proactive change. But at the same time I saw Officers and NCOs dedicated to lessons-learned and best practices to try to compensate for that institutional tendency.

The Army and other branches are composed of citizens of every race, class, gender and orientation our nation has. It is in many ways a reflection of our nation- good and bad. The overwhelming majority of those in it's ranks are some of our best and brightest people who love their country, love the people they serve with and love the challenges that come from the sometimes difficult demands of an unusual job.

They are willing to serve the nation if it means their very lives. That is an uncommon commitment in this age of vacillation and equivocation. They are a national treasure that our nation and it's civilian leadership should not misuse or take for granted.

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» excellence, honor and duty? Posted by: deborama
» Anecdotal Posted by: NoPCZone
Military equality
Posted by: Jbuuty on Feb 6, 2008 1:18 AM   
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I'll be honest. I'm not a patriot. I like my country, but I feel no compulsion to kill or die for it. I'd die for my family and friends, but not for such an abstract entity. That said, it is easy to guess that I've never been in the military. This is not my main point.

However, I have always admired the racial equality in the military. It is a sad statement on our society that it is only in an organization made for killing that we can find racial equality. Why can't our universities, churches, and so forth do this?

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As a Liberal I Reject These Characterizations ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 6, 2008 1:44 AM   
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I agree with much of the description of the enlisted military, it's apppeal for young men, the character it builds and the service these young soldiers give to their country.

I can only speak for myself , but yes, I detest the Military Industrial Congressional Complex and the useless expenditure of trillions of dollars for ever more militarism but this is not about the soldiers, and for me it never was.

I was outraged at the shortage of up armoured vehicles, the shortage of ammo and night vision battteries, the tainted water from Haliburton, the parents having to buy their children their own body armor, the neglect of the wounded at Walter Reed and all the other negligence that has been inflicted on our soldiers.

What I detest is the use of these young adults in preemptive, interventionist and imperialistic adventures supposedly on my behalf. What I detest is the suggestion that I do not care about our soldiers when this is all a ruse to defer the public's attention away from procedures, policies and procurements that are of, for and about public/private military careerism, profligate waste of tax payer money on ever more expensive and wasteful weapons systems, unneeded Congressional district earmarks, votes bought by military contractors political donations, ever more overseas military bases and the increasingly threatening posture of our rhetoric, deployment and indeed use of our miilitary.

I don't know what liberal the lieutenant colonel was speaking of in this piece, but it sure the hell wasn't me. The lieutenant colonel had better take a good look at the institution of our war machine , public and private, and ask himself whether these soldiers patriotism isn't being abused to enable the careers, the profit and the belligerence of those in power.

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Militarism is "Deeply Entrenched" by Design
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 6, 2008 2:20 AM   
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It was not always so as the founders constantly warned of pointless militarism. But militarism by military complex design was built by a parasite criminal elite that “entrenched” its vision of military might and history as indispensable to American virtue, valor and moral "spirit". And all of it based on history taught by and for those who use the military machine for their own purpose.

In other words, all global wars have ultimately been fought over wealth for private power. But that wouldn’t read very well for patriotism and “God on our side” morality.

So in the modern age we have the usual war propaganda as history…

WW I was necessary to stop German aggression, etc. This is a complete lie especially for American involvement that was brokered purely for blood money by JP Morgan, Rockefeller and Rothschild dynasties.

WW 2 was “the good war” that had to be fought against unexpected tyranny. Another lie as anyone can discover in finding out what American and British robber barons funded and enabled Hitler’s Germany from the ashes of WW I straight through WW 2.

Of course Vietnam was a complete fraud begun at the Gulf of Tonkin betrayal.

Then we have Gulf War I where CIA asset Saddam was officially baited to take Kuwait and betrayed days after for American invasion.

And we come to an utterly phony 9/11 “war on terror” that our presidential candidates promise to keep going indefinitely.

In sum, this is about constant and relentless brainwash escalated to the drumbeat of a gimcrack and lethal religion. It is only blind faith wrapped in the flag or religion itself that can be counted on to kill and kill again, no questions asked.

This is less about psyche than about murder and deception for the usual motive.



“Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
Voltaire

“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
Orwell

“If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
James Madison (father of the U.S. Constitution)

“A state of War only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.”
Alexander Solzhenitzyn

“It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.”
Doctor Albert Einstein


"Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China..."
Antony Sutton

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love the military, hate militarism
Posted by: sliver on Feb 6, 2008 4:28 AM   
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This writer seems to assume a lot about liberals. He is clearly not a liberal, because of his repetition of the right-wing lie about John Kerry insulting the soldiers stuck in Iraq. Kerry was clearly talking about George Bush, not about common soldiers.

The writer also does not seem to differentiate between the military and militarism, using the words interchangeably. Forming a military is essential to our country, and we all agree that our soldiers and officers should be commended for their service. Militarism, on the other hand, is the bloodlust to use those soldiers to kill, kill, kill our enemies. Sometimes those enemies are real, but militarism creates imagined enemies (Iran) and use of unnecessary force creates more real enemies than we started with (Iraq).

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 6, 2008 4:30 AM   
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We're fighting in Columbia, too.

Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Direct Democracy

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OK, how come....
Posted by: Marlena on Feb 6, 2008 4:39 AM   
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the US is spending hundreds of billions on the military, but...our soldiers are so broke(n)?
Seems to me that the military industrial complex "needs" more and more expensive toys, while those who use those toys are getting less and less? I know that at the bases near me, Tidewater Virginia, new assigns are given information on how to apply for welfare, while down the road in NC, Blackwater is paying mercenarys over $100,000 a year plus benefits?? Or across the water at the ship yard there is the next class of super carrier getting ready?? So..follow the $$$$ the soldiers sure aren't getting it,,,it's going to expensive deadly toys, and then into the pockets of the corps that run our nation. And that IS fascism

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» RE: OK, how come.... Posted by: VZEQICVA
otto
Posted by: otto on Feb 6, 2008 5:50 AM   
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In the 60's I taught high school in Texas. A nice young man came back from Vietnam to finish his high school. I had him describe 'real life" in the marines to other students. He described, with enthusiasm even though he said it was like brain-washing, the boot camp experience. They were beaten down and humiliated until they were nothing; then built up to find their pride and identity as a marine. I see this "brain-washing as another factor. While I see an educational value in looking out for the common good rather than just one's individual wants or goods, this sounds like an extreme mentality that supports the militaristic outlook.

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True Enlightment
Posted by: curiousdwk on Feb 6, 2008 6:08 AM   
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When two viewpoints are pitted against one another, in the final analysis, the thing that will strike you the most is not who was right or wrong, strong or weak, wise or foolish, etc... but who would go to the greatest lengths in considering the other's perspective.

This article does a great job of presenting "the other's perspective". It isn't enough to rail, but we must understand. To empathize is to understand what and why a person thinks and feels the way(s) that they do. This article helps us to understand these people.

Thank you for sharing these thoughts.

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» Understanding The Other Posted by: Cathyc
Trash culture
Posted by: ssegallmd on Feb 6, 2008 6:15 AM   
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Now that we know how the military might be used, I can’t see why anybody would want to subject himself or herself to being abused and put in harm’s way for nothing, short of needing something from the military, like training or a better job than minimum wave serving burgers. But they will. Even here in this thread, there’s still so much positivity for the military and what it does. I guess that’s the point of the article.

The indoctrination of the American people is very thorough in this area, just as it is with voting and a dozen other issues. You’ll never get people to understand how little their military service serves the rest of us any more than you’ll get them to admit the obvious about their vote not mattering even when America was a democracy. Americans are told otherwise, emphatically and frequently, and that’s all there is to it. Most people are putty, passively and uncritically being embossed with bad and erroneous ideas: America good. Voting good. Military good. Drugs bad. Socialism bad. Taxes bad. Government bad. Terrorists evil. It’s pretty discouraging.

A few of you will know what I’m talking about, but most of you will just consider these words offensive nonsense. That’s fine. I already know that. That’s why I have no energy to try to buck it any more. America and Americans are hell-bent on waging stupid, horribly expensive, wasteful, useless and cruel wars. It’s what we do. Iraq and Drugs for two. Those two have no end. They can’t be won. That’s the beauty in the eyes of those prosecuting them. If I hated America, I would wish those two things on it, irreversibly, inextricably. Consider it done anyway.

But not all wars are unwinnable. You’ve got the war on the Constitution and civil and human rights. That’s a one-sided rout. You’ve got the war on the middle and lower classes. That one’s over. We lost. Those two go right to the heart of what America used to be, just like the wars democracy. Diebold and the Republicans won that one too. This is now a banana republic without the bananas. I love how everyone is glued to his or her news sources to see how Stupor-Tuesday turned out. Even Fox News is reporting on hacking elections, yet people go on rooting like it’s not the political equivalent of “pro” wrestling.

The war on the dollar and the economy is going swimmingly if you’re rooting for economic disaster. Bread and circuses. Trash for culture. Most good things under assault.

What I’ve learned is that none of that matters much after all, and that I can live without freedom, democracy, public prosperity, national optimism, pot or patriotism. Losing those things doesn’t really affect me nearly as much as I thought that it would. I like my job, love my wife and dogs, I’m happy to stay in with my books and computer. I’m not bored or sick or financially strapped. So, I’m OK with it all. Plus, I’m only here for a few more years to trade my skills for retirement buckos, and then I’m gone to a better place.

Carry on.

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» RE: Trash culture Posted by: mrcentrist
» RE: Trash culture Posted by: dcguide
I am a military veteran, too.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 6, 2008 6:23 AM   
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This author does a very good job explaining the social aspect of the military. However, the military is the force, the physical power, supporting a corrupt ruling elite.

He does the work of the ruling elite by promotion of the "opportunities" within the military for the "under classes" that makes it a respectable organization.

But the facts draw a stark picture: the military industrial complex exploits the "under classes," the young and naive.

We see that once the usefulness of the soldier ends the ruling elite/plutocracy cheat on the obligations owned. This is just the new "industrialization of war."

Mr. Astore has the details right, but his perspective is too small, narrow and wrong.

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a military draft is the answer
Posted by: zooeyhall on Feb 6, 2008 6:30 AM   
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The rah-rah "Go Army" types have watched Rambo too many times. The answer is to institute a military draft. Once the idea sinks into the minds of some of these kids (and their parents) that they have a REAL chance of getting into a situation where their asses can get shot off--their attitude would change in a BIG hurry.

When the letter arrives in their mailboxes:

"Greetings. You have been selected for induction into the Armed Services of the United States. Please report at ______ on the following date _____. Failure to comply can result in prosecution under Federal Law ....."

Then these kids and their parents will realize that war isn't like watching a Superbowl game.

More impassioned pleading, more carefully reasoned arguments by the anti-war people aren't going to change things.

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» RE: a military draft is the answer Posted by: wonkywriter
» RE: military draft is not the answer Posted by: left_libertarian
Golly Gee
Posted by: GollyGee on Feb 6, 2008 6:33 AM   
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Wow Colonel, are you out of it! This is the same old senile, retired-military crap I hear at every VFW bar.

Sorry, but our military does not represent diversity. That ended with the draft. Today it is heavy with the young, the poor, the ignorant, the rural, the problematic.

So yes, the boonies of PA would be a good place for you to meet folks who know someone in the service. So would small-town MI, WV, AL. (Yet even with a collapsing economy the military has to keep lowering standards to attract recruits.)

Sorry to tell you Colonel, but you're living in the past and our all-volunteer army ain't nothing like your imaginary one.

At one time there would have been riots and lynchings at home had the government treated combat troops the way it treats them now: defective body armor, defective vehicles, extended tours and stop-loss, shoddy treatment of the wounded and disabled, reneging on benefits — and yet all the while lavishing riches on private armies like Blackwater and Custer Battles.

Colonel, the corporate crowd, Bush, Cheney, Rummy and their bosses have consistently shown what they really think of military service — yet blockheads like you seem to fear progressives (thanks for not using "Libral.")

Other than putting those now-long-gone yellow ribbons on the truck, few Americans, progressive or conservative seem anxious to have any personal contact with the military — except when the nation is really under threat.

This how it should be: the history of standing Armies, Athens vs Sparta, etc.

Even on Mars it should be clear by now the troops in Iraq or at the other 800 bases scattered around the globe are not there to defend American liberties.

Fortunately the military people I know are much better informed than you, and they realize the corporate plan is to replace any pretense of a real citizen militia with a private police force.

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You left out the most important reason
Posted by: daw13 on Feb 6, 2008 6:38 AM   
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The main reason people still love the military is because they believe that in a world of clashing civilization the toughest gang wins, and we are potentially still the toughest. Just unleash the military and let them do their thing.

This is the biggest lie the Neocons have successfully sold the public. In fact, our foreign policy is a shambles, our ability to control the world is a myth.

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» RE: Oh say can you seeee! Posted by: Sushi
Another point of view...
Posted by: allUneedislove on Feb 6, 2008 6:46 AM   
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Some of us don't support the military in any way, shape or form. It's called pacifism.

It's nice for me to "understand" America's embrace of the military, but we should be constantly working towards a world in which it isn't necessary. Remember the Department of Peace? Actively seeking diplomatic solutions long before they become impossible? Or -- heaven forbid -- acting towards others in the world with support and helpfulness instead of imperialism and greed? Anyone hearing me?

I am dismayed that "progressive" these days seems to equal sympathy for, acceptance of, and ultimately support of militarism.

Too few seem to get what Kucinich was saying. But then again, Alternet has dropped the ball big-time when it comes to exploring what Kucinich and his fans hold dearly. I'm looking for an alternative to Alternet. I'm tired of this.

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"Demasculinized"?? Militarist Mythologies
Posted by: RegK on Feb 6, 2008 6:49 AM   
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An interesting coinage; I believe the existing word for this projection is 'emasculated'--or did the author not want to use that word because of its misogynist history and overtones? So, is masculinity really all about violence and killing after all? Shouldn't we be teaching a new way to these disadvantaged kids who are being seduced and recruited? Poor rural and inner city kids do not, by the way, have a natural attraction to the military. Kerry may have said it the wrong way, but he was right: low-performing students opt for the military because their other choices are limited. I know. I'm a teacher. I see it all the time: the recruiting vultures 'target' low GPA and even special ed kids and lie to them. It's a horrific situation and a disgrace to the US.

How about reminding people that the military is not one of the branches if the US government instead of complaining that progressives don't understand the phenomenon of militarism or its attraction in this heavily propagandized nation? Every kid in the military is not a hero and the brainwashing needs to stop. Now.

One can only hope that the US will be 'feminized' ASAP. How about spending some of that obscene amount of Iraq money here at home so our kids don't think they have to head there to get ahead in life?

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"Demasculinized"?? Militarist Mythologies
Posted by: RegK on Feb 6, 2008 6:52 AM   
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An interesting coinage; I believe the existing word for this projection is 'emasculated'--or did the author not want to use that word because of its misogynist history and overtones? So, is masculinity really all about violence and killing after all? Shouldn't we be teaching a new way to these disadvantaged kids who are being seduced and recruited? Poor rural and inner city kids do not, by the way, have a natural attraction to the military. Kerry may have said it the wrong way, but he was right: low-performing students opt for the military because their other choices are limited. I know. I'm a teacher. I see it all the time: the recruiting vultures 'target' low GPA and even special ed kids and lie to them. It's a horrific situation and a disgrace to the US.

How about reminding people that the military is not one of the branches if the US government instead of complaining that progressives don't understand the phenomenon of militarism or its attraction in this heavily propagandized nation? Every kid in the military is not a hero and the brainwashing needs to stop. Now.

One can only hope that the US will be 'feminized' ASAP. How about spending some of that obscene amount of Iraq money here at home so our kids don't think they have to head there to get ahead in life?

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What its gotten to be
Posted by: GPFrank on Feb 6, 2008 7:07 AM   
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The more drinks an addict in a barroom has, the
more great ideas he or she has for changing the world.

But when some politician, pundit or professor expels the phrase, "national interest" also out comes some military solution. In that respect the reflex is like someone reaching for a drink whenever called upon to think.

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an interesting take on the history and psych of warfare
Posted by: chalquist on Feb 6, 2008 7:07 AM   
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It is the 60/70 somethings
Posted by: steven w on Feb 6, 2008 7:25 AM   
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who are feer-driven and still fanticises over John Wayne and the glorious WWII when we were REALLY suppose to be fighting. I'm 52 and I wish these kids in their 30's will step up and grab the reigns of leadership- if they can concentrate on anything longer than a puppy dog.

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Questions for the Candidates
Posted by: Southern Gal on Feb 6, 2008 7:46 AM   
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Do either of our Democratic candidates Clinton or Obama have the balls to confront or attempt to control the Pentagon? Do any of our Congressional leaders have the balls for confrontation and control? How challenging would it be to confront the Pentagon and the military industrial complex to redirect our pre-emptive war policies? I think that all of our leaders are scared.

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CIVILIANS GAVE OUR MILITARY A BAD NAME
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 6, 2008 8:01 AM   
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Viet Nam and Iraq were both acts of aggression against countries that were no threat to us. Both tarnished the American image. Prior to that we were the ones who would save the planet. Europe is still grateful to the U.S. Now we are led by some loser who thinks he owns a football team. It should not have been allowed to happen. Americans still sleep better and feel safer because we have our military. That has to change. Thanks, ANNA

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Nice Bootlicking
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 6, 2008 8:02 AM   
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The military is in disastrous shape. Bases in just about every country. Trillions of dollars wasted. Hotbed of socialism. No bid contracts, no competition, extremely high prices. It's a cancer on the face of america. And its growing faster than we can even support it. Do you know how many illegals are in the military? Go find out.

It's great to sound patriotic and to be politically correct. But this cannot continue. We cant afford to drop trillions into this machine as if we were dropping quarters in a car wash. Nor can we afford to be continually propagandized and dumbed down by the media wings of this military industrial complex. Dont you understand that its going to rip this country to shreds? And all the people in the military are going to have NOTHING once it rips itself apart. Why couldnt people LISTEN to Eisenhower?

"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex..."

"...Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry..."

We are neither alert nor knowledgeable, thanks in no small part to the media and propaganda arms of the military-industrial complex. God damn... they actually did it. They took over this country and brainwashed everyone. Witness the result.

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» RE: Nice Bootlicking Posted by: grn1
A liberal AND a military guy
Posted by: praedor on Feb 6, 2008 8:48 AM   
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I am a liberal and I am military. They are not (necessarily) mutually opposed or exclusive. One can be in favor of actually fighting (legitimately) to uphold and protect the Constitution and valid national security or humanitarian ends. That said, there is a very good benefit to come to people, all people, who serve: military training and discipline. The discipline transposes to virtually any other area of life. The training and discipline are also specifically useful for fighting, if necessary, against one's government should it become oppressive or divert away from the Constitution and proper representation of the People. There is a reason that Jefferson stated that it is the inherent right of people to rise up and overthrow their government should it ever fail to represent them under the Constitution...and simply voting isn't ALWAYS the best or even slightly functional way to do it.

You are better served to be trained in the ways of the military if/when that military is turned against you than to be a mere lay-down-and-expose-one's-belly pacifist to the boot coming down on you. To borrow a 100% legitimate quote from "V for Vendetta": People should not be afraid of their government. Government should be afraid of its people.

THAT is what ultimately protects liberty and true representative governance.

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» Not to mention Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: A liberal AND a military guy Posted by: Jeff Hoffman
HOYA!
Posted by: PJAW on Feb 6, 2008 9:52 AM   
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Hold Onto Your Ass! Things don't look like they're getting any better any time soon.

One of the myths perpetuated in this article is the "all volunteer army". When you're coerced, lied to, bribed and bamboozled, you ain't no "volunteer". You're a victim, a fool, a mercernary or a chump.

Having said that, I firmly believe that there is nothing more noble that one can do than to stand in harm's way in the protection of one's family, home and country. But, when men and women give themselves to such service, it is incumbent upon those who are charged with leadership, to use and deploy them in a way that is consistent with the honor and integrity with which they serve. Historically, the military of the United States has seldom been used in that way, and the current deployment in Iraq may be the most egregious abuse of them in our nation's history. Well, maybe it's a tie, with the Indian Wars, the Spanish American War, The War With Mexico..., and several others.

I agree with the author that there need to be alternatives to military service for affirming your masculinity, shaping your personality or participating in some grand life adventure while contributing to the public good. Unfortunately, the elected officials we have in place for making such policy decisions remain infatuated with military force. Perhaps that will change somewhat with a new administration, but I suspect it will take a long time the national psyche to evolve out of this present destructive behavior.

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If we are serious
Posted by: vand on Feb 6, 2008 11:13 AM   
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about waging peace, we MUST address the psychobiological nature of human aggression, prevent "testosterone poisoning" and transform the corporate-military-good-old-boys-complex into an ecological- social healing movement. And what on earth are we going to do with all the weapons and spy satellites???

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America is a religion and every belief system will attract its priests
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 6, 2008 11:44 AM   
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I was surprized that the author failed to point out the part that fathers play in young men being attracted to the military.

If Dad was a soldier, his son may want to emulate him and validate his father's experience.

If Dad was brutal, his son may be looking for a way to channel his own aggression or legitimize it.

If Dad was missing, his son may be looking for the male bonding he missed out on.

If Dad was an occasional presence due to his finding a new wife, his son may want to please him to in order to feel like he matters.

There is also evidence that the teenage brain doesn't recognize danger.

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» Fathers Posted by: openhouse
Some Buddhism for the warriors
Posted by: Ardie on Feb 6, 2008 11:45 AM   
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"When a professional warrior exerts himself in battle, if others then slay him, after death he will be reborn in the company of gods slain in battle." Buddha tried three times to discourage this question, but Yodhajiva persisted. At last Buddha said, "Apparently, Yodhajiva, I haven't been able to get past you by saying, 'Enough, don't ask me that.' So I will simply answer you. When a professional warrior exerts himself in battle, his mind is already debased and misdirected by the thought: 'May these men be slaughtered, annihilated, destroyed.' If others slay him while he is exerting himself in battle, after death, he will be reborn in the hell called the realm of those slain in battle. But if he holds the view you mentioned, that is his wrong view. Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view. Either hell or the animal womb." Hearing Buddha's answer, Yodhajiva wept because he had been deceived by that ancient creed” (Samyutta Nikaya XLII, 3).

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Question
Posted by: applepie on Feb 6, 2008 12:04 PM   
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Why is the military telling me what I 'have' to do and how I 'have' to think?

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The Beetle Bailey Outfit
Posted by: JayHaden on Feb 6, 2008 12:43 PM   
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Beetle Bailey was the image of the military when I was of draft age. Sheer boredom and ignominious potato peeling. No masculine glamour there, except for Killer who was named for his Valentino looks, not the number of enemy he dispatched. Small wonder that my crowd opted for graduate school, which our country honored with a deferment during the Vietnam war.

At one point I marvelled at our system of co-opting the two ornery ends of the bell curve: the high end was welcomed into the university environment, dissuaded from revolutionary thought by government funded research contracts handed out like candy (no Latin American student revolts here); the low end was kept from total economic and social despair by "joining up" (no peasant revolt here).

As with everything else in our society, success graduates to excess. Neither institution, military or academic, is supported any more by a national policy that pays attention to where or society is headed. Both are simply tools for special interests.

One thing I've learned, however, is that any marketing whiz can change what we collectively believe to be prized character traits. If cleaning up slums and storm debris were given sexually attractive images, our young men would be volunteering for Americorps and the Peace Corps instead of the military.

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» RE: The Beetle Bailey Outfit Posted by: sofla100
Militarism = USA
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 6, 2008 1:42 PM   
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Before WWI, Woodrow Wilson and some European counterparts believed there would never be war again! We (human beings) had evolved past that! We were able to use diplomacy and intelligence and reason to avoid war.

He believed that until Germany marched in and took over Belgium.

Oops! Oh well, it sounded good!

But WWI was advertised as the "War to end all War." Come to think of it, so was WWII sold that way.

War will end when people stop fighting wars.
Period.

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» RE: Militarism = profits Posted by: Sushi
The Military IS AMERICA'S SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAM
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 6, 2008 2:28 PM   
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The US military in the USA serves as a make works program for young people and as a source of benefits to pay for future education. It is acceptable to be in the military for employment, since America no longer believes in, nor sponsors, the programs of the past, such as the Peace Corps, Vista, and the like. Those programs, after Republican dominance of the USA, are seen as akin to welfare programs and that is why they have been largely dismantled. At any rate, the primary belief now in America is that to be poor is a matter of choice or moral failure. Therefore, to join the military is considered at least to be engaging in successful employment. Beyond that, many young people have no choice. It's either Wal-Mart's, a fast food gas station store, or the military. Also, many young people do not have money for college nor do their parents. And again, since America no longer believes in financial aid for education, or it is so severely limited as to be unavailable to millions, the military is seen as the only option. Finally, the military is the only option really open to millions of young people nowadays in America. We need to see this for what it is, and strip the thin veneer of so-called patriotism and valor. If a young person must join, the best they can do is to at least avoid getting killed and get out fast with some money and benefits.

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