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War on Iraq

Human Rights Crusader Michael Ratner: We'll Keep Going After Bush and Cheney When They Leave Office

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted December 3, 2007.


As the Supreme Court prepares to hear the next major challenge to Bush's imperial power grab, AlterNet talks with Michael Ratner, who has been at the center of the battle over the administration's human rights assault.
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This week, the next round in the Bush administration's epic struggle against 800 years of Anglo-American legal tradition will unfold as the Supreme Court hears the latest in the "Guantanamo cases." The case will hinge on the question of whether detainees being held at the Guantanamo Bay naval base have the right to a day in court to challenge the circumstances of their imprisonment. At issue is the more fundamental matter of whether the president of the United States has the power to detain people indefinitely and without due process under the rubric of a nebulous "war on terror."

Since the attacks of 9/11, the Center for Constitutional Rights and its president, Michael Ratner, have been at the center of the battle; CCR's played David to Bush's Goliath from the very beginning.

Ratner and his colleagues are not new to using the legal system to keep the government in check, nor are they unfamiliar with the controversy that inevitably surrounds that process. The Center, born of the civil rights movements of the 1960s, has been at the forefront of human rights litigation ever since. CCR pursued the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in courts around the world and sued both the first Bush administration in an attempt to stop the Gulf War and the Clinton administration for bombing Kosovo. Ratner served as a special adviser to Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the former president of Haiti who was deposed in a U.S.-supported coup, and won a key war crimes case against former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic.

But it's been the excesses of the Bush administration, especially at "Gitmo," that have thrust Ratner and what was once a radical legal shop into the international spotlight. "Here's Michael Ratner and CCR," Ratner said, "who were once considered to be firmly on the left but are now defending bread-and-butter constitutional issues that we never really thought would be in jeopardy, like habeas corpus." His involvement in what would become such a "mainstream" legal fight was "a transition for me personally as well as for the center politically," he added.

Ratner will be named the seventh winner of the Nation Institute/ Puffin Foundation award for "creative citizenship" this week. "I like the description," he said. "It's for taking on the status quo in a socially responsible way and in a way that required taking a risk. For me it's not the personal aspect, it's the acknowledgment that you have to take risks in this very difficult country if you want to make any real progress."

AlterNet interviewed Ratner at his New York home to discuss the case, Guantanamo and the ramifications of the so-called "war on terror."

Joshua Holland: Let's start with a little background on the case.

Michael Ratner: This all started shortly after the attacks of 9/11, in fact on Nov. 14, 2001, when the president issued what he called Military Order No. 1. Military Order No. 1 was what I call the "coup d'etat order," because it basically said the president could pick up any noncitizen -- at that point; it's now been extended to citizens -- anywhere in the world and hold them forever, and not allow them to go into a court to get what we call a writ of habeas corpus. That's the right to go to court and challenge your detention. So they could simply be held forever if they were a noncitizen and alleged terrorist -- not just Al Qaeda, but all "alleged terrorists." And the other part of the order said that if they were tried, they were to be tried by special military commissions.

So that's six weeks after 9/11, and we have what I called at the time the underpinnings of a police state. By that time, you already had the PATRIOT Act -- by Nov. 13 -- you had the roundups in New York City and around the country of noncitizen Muslims, with 5,000 of them taken to various jails, so you had a lot of bad stuff going on already. But that order of Nov. 13 was a power grab by the executive that I was just astounded by.

But, of course, that's not even close to what we have today. I mean when I look back at that time, what I thought was going on then was bad, but it's Mickey Mouse compared to what's happened since.

At the same time, you have to understand that people were still very nervous, the city was still mourning and it was a situation in which we were all still very frightened. There was that anthrax stuff and a lot of talk of sleeper cells everywhere. But when I read that order of Nov. 13, I said to myself: "We have to do something about this. We're going to represent the first people taken under this order." And even though there was talk at that time about how those being picked up were "the worst of the worst," I thought that this right, the right of habeas corpus, is so fundamental that it has to be defended. The difference between a police state and a nonpolice state is, fundamentally, whether the executive can pick you up and disappear you or whether you can go to a court and challenge the executive, whether you can say: "What's the legal reason you're holding me?"


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Keep Pursuing
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 3, 2007 12:31 AM   
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Both civil and criminal actions should be pursued against Bush et al. after they leave office.

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» Make it a suprise. Posted by: Rod
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» Acquiescent Americans Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Acquiescent Americans Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: Acquiescent Americans Posted by: Lauren
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» The ONLY WAY to Stop Terrorism Posted by: P.E.A.C.E.
US credibility at stake
Posted by: Nambas on Dec 3, 2007 12:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If American Foreign policy is to regain any sense of “honest broker”, (not that it ever had much credibility anyway) everyone responsible for initiating the Iraq war debacle must be made accountable for their actions. Failure to do so will indicate a clear signal to the rest of the world that heinous crimes against the innocent are acceptable providing you have the political and economic might to justify your actions! I hope that Ratner contemplates focusing his attention on John Howard in Australia, whose support of Bush and his Iraq misadventure was unconditional.

For issues downunder Nambassa

Kindest regards Peter Terry

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» RE: US credibility at stake Posted by: britknee
CheneyBu$hCo is absolutely diabolical
Posted by: vox persona on Dec 3, 2007 1:15 AM   
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Using a convenient attack that could have been prevented and was ignored while in progress, this mis-administration maneuvered a friendly one-party House/Senate and a cowed and pliant Democrat minority into granted every desired wish; hook, line and sinker. The strategy was an implied sledge hammer issue to bludgeon an invertebrate 'opposition' party into compliance. Just the thought of being labeled weak on defense and absent on the 'war on terror' was enough to send them scurrying. Beware declaring wars on a tactic, it was used to seize wartime powers and then launching a real war on a country unrelated to 9/11. Now, with executive orders and signing statements, we are just one large explosion away from finding out what Cheney is really up to.

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When he says 'real hearing', does he mean really real?
Posted by: HeroesAll on Dec 3, 2007 2:12 AM   
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But I think that every single time the government has been faced with a real hearing, where they have to come up with evidence, the person has been released or sent home.

Because if he means a real hearing with prosecution and defence evidence and witnesses, and all the usual paraphernalia of hearings, then they haven't had one yet.

But if he means "a hearing-ish kind of beast, where we let the supposed terrorist out of his cell for a few hours and parade him around with a ball gag and shackles, before declaring him guilty", then this statement is incorrect.

Because, well, David Hicks...unless by "sent home" he means "sent home to a prison cell". Which is not exactly ideal.

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When Holland Says "Sampson", Does He Actually Mean "David"?
Posted by: grumble-bum on Dec 3, 2007 3:32 AM   
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Yeah, the thrilling Biblical story of Sampson & Goliath. That was such a great one when I was a kid.

I should really read the rest of this article, because it's probably vitally important... But there's an awful lot of names in it, & now I'm going to have to double-check them all.

I know Holland is no particular fan of Religious Stuff, but for gawd's sake. It's a shame, really, cause I too want to see Bush & McCarthy punished to the fullest extent of the law. I'm gonna have a hard time wading through the remaining 4 pages, though...

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» maybe Michael Ratner has long hair Posted by: war_on_tara
» Bush as Delilah - it works! Posted by: defrag
» Stupid ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Very Well. Posted by: grumble-bum
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» RE: Very Well. Posted by: Lauren
what the Norman English couldn't do in the War of 1812, the Bush-Cheney
Posted by: Suzon on Dec 3, 2007 3:38 AM   
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administration has done: reimposed the divine right of kings.

The Norman English and their loyal remnant in the United States are ruthless. According to a report issued on February 22, 2007 by the (UK) Department for Constitutional Affairs, 95% of criminal trials in England and Wales are summary, i.e., heard without a jury.

In other words, you can be convicted and sentenced to six months in prison in a court of lay magistrates (two years if you are a juvenile). Magistrates (usually local establishment types) admit that they do whatever Her Majesty's clerks (lawyers) tell them to do.

Tom Paine in "Common Sense" counted up a few rebellions against the monarchy, including the Wars of the Roses and the 1776 revolt. With the help of the internet, a much more extensive list can be compiled, showing almost constant uprisings and repressions.

Losing was dire: beheadings, boiling in oil, being flayed alive, drawn and quartered, with many severe punishments only being outlawed in the 19th century. "Whatever you do, don't lose" is written into the DNA of the Norman English remnant from which George Bush (related to Elizabeth II, herself descended from William the Conquerer) has emerged. Forget Texas! Our "president" King George is undoubtedly a monarchist through and through.

This struggle goes back nearly 1,000 years. We must expose its ancient roots!

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RonPaul 2008
Posted by: Allan Stevo on Dec 3, 2007 3:47 AM   
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I would have to say that my biggest reason for support of Ron Paul may be his principled stance on Human Rights and Civil Liberties. In my four years reading AlterNet, I've been looking for a candidate like him. It's exciting to hear about the grassroots movement that is building around him in the US, and to see that movement up front in Europe. I look forward to the possibility that our next president may actually take the presidential oath of office and mean what he is saying.

Allan Stevo
Bratislava, Slovakia

Americans In Europe for Ron Paul

The Strasbourg Tea Party - December 15-16

PS It wasn't possible to use hyperlinks. Please google these two groups if you're interested in knowing more. Thanks.

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» RonPaul: the *palatable* Republican... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
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Out on a limb
Posted by: slydad on Dec 3, 2007 4:34 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You people are really out on a limb on this one. But I guess that's nothing new.

Bush/Cheney and company have done what they need to, to combat the enemy. If you want to cry about human rights abuses or mistreatment or torture, why don't you rail against them. Do you not remember the beheading film?

Your only reason to pick on our own President is just purely political.

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» Dude, You Are So Not "Sly"... Posted by: grumble-bum
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» I dont remember! Posted by: rocketman
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» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: I dont remember! Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» Fair points, just to add Posted by: brunowe
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» Oh, Slydad!!! Posted by: Stoney 12+1
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Sampson vs Goliath?
Posted by: ankhet on Dec 3, 2007 5:18 AM   
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Isn't it David and Goliath? Or Sampson and Delilah?

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Alternet is the new TMZ
Posted by: loxias on Dec 3, 2007 6:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This site is turning into IMDB meets TMZ. Every third story is the news about the Spice Girls, or the hottest movies, or fashion, anything to distract morons away from their normal fare. You think those morons will dwell for long amidst the remaining progressive intellectual articles? Of course not. They will want more trash, and you'll give it to them, and pull more serious news. Shame on Alternet (not the only ones doing this). Every week I visit less often and for less time. Sad when AOL News is a better source for real news. Good luck on getting dibs on the next Britney crisis, but I'll be at an actual progressive news site.

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» RE: Alternet is the new TMZ Posted by: rinthy
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Never Corner a Rat... they fight a *lot* harder...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Dec 3, 2007 6:30 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
unless they think they're actually gonna make a clean getaway.

The point is, you gotta LET them think they're getting away & plan to make your move...

you don't *threaten them* or the fight gets nastier...

...you gotta wait & get your methodology together, until their backs are turned as they make a dash for the Border...
*taDAH*
then you have 'em where you want 'em & you're ready.

never corner a rat... of course, the reason they *are rats* is because they like scuttling in corners & gnawing at the woodwork... they're *expecting* to have people come after them, so they attack at first provocation...

"Never Corner a Rat!": Busheviks in Crisis

BlueBerry Pick'n
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Articles for Criminal Charges
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 3, 2007 8:13 AM   
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Criminal charges against GW Bush:

1. Authorizing detentions, in violation of international and US law and US treaty obligations, of US citizen and non-citizens. The establishment of prisons for the illegal detention of prisoners in non-US countries such as the CIA prisons in Eastern Europe and Guantanamo. Detentions and imprisonments carried out solely by executive branch fiat, without the benefit of due process or legal counsel. Prisoners also held often incomunicado, again, a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions.

2. Having the NSA and other US agencies carry out wiretaps not authorized by warrant and in violation of the USA Consitution. Later, trying to have the USA Congress retroactively authorize these wiretaps by legislation. However, the wiretaps were illegal under USA law to begin with.

3. Authorizing the use of torture in violation of US and international law. Clear violations also of the Geneva Conventions.

4. Extraordinary Rendition. Kidnapping, as in Italy, foreign nationals, without any court or due process procedures, for extradition to other countries. Countries where torture is known to be practiced.

5. Authorizing the leak of sensitive classified information, specifically the name of Valerie Plame as a CIA Operative, after her husband complained about the Bush administration covering up evidence to show Saddam Hussein did not posses weaspons of mass destruction.

Other charges and articles could be preferred. However, this is a good start.

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» Er, forgot something ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: Articles for Criminal Charges Posted by: bryanth798
They won't need to ship them to Gitmo
Posted by: donneek on Dec 3, 2007 8:56 AM   
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They can use one of the new detention centers being built along the southern border, ostensibly to house "illegal aliens"

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Bush & Cheney Prosecution
Posted by: Stryke on Dec 3, 2007 10:07 AM   
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These two sociopathic fascists definitely belong in a docket at the World Court in The Hague. It will likely never happen, but it's a nice fantasy.

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» RE: Bush & Cheney Prosecution Posted by: veenstra
What is it for?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 3, 2007 10:12 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Rich were running out of enemies.
Russia was gone.
Castro was getting old.

The American people were not afraid anymore. Talking about things like the Environment and Socialism.

All those Arab prisoners in the red suits...have young brothers and nephews. Who now hate the U.S. with all their hearts.

Mission Accomplished.

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Michael Ratner is very courageous
Posted by: Susan Kipping on Dec 3, 2007 10:20 AM   
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Thank you Mr. Ratner for pursuing justice in this area that is so important to all of our lives.

If 9/11 was fully investigated by a non partisan party immediately after it happened, this country would not be as divided as it is today. The official story for that days events are filled with lies to cover up the truth. There is no war on terrorism; there is only a domestic war on the American people by an elite group of people that control our country. Why didn't our congress, senate, media and justice system speak out and investigate that day.

Any citizen that has not questioned 9/11 is fooling themselves.

Bush and Cheney should be in prison.

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Who Will Remember Them?
Posted by: thehousedog on Dec 3, 2007 10:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
who will remember Bush & co., after they leave office? we'll all be watching the spice girls and the next pile of future american idols, or extreme makeovers of some house elsewhere. people will forget just as quickly as this democracy went down the toilet.

what needs to happen, needs to happen now! not later! everybody here is all so concerned about being "civil" when that time has long since passed. you think people in congress and the senate are being threatened by Bush&co. to do their bidding? when was the last time we heard about citizens sitting in at their representatives offices? think that would make people stand up and take notice?

yeah, probably not - heard the spice girls were pretty good!

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» RE: Who Will Remember Them? Posted by: Brnyboo
Why Nothing Will Happen
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 3, 2007 11:50 AM   
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This is the sad part, sorry to say. But, hear is why nothing will happen. At the U.S. level, President's always have a way of covering for the last guy, by not releasing documents and stonewalling. Even Bush has done this with not releasing documents of Clinton's that Clinton himself wanted to release. A big part of this is, I believe, a sort of quid pro quo at the Presidential level. It's a mutual protection racket. Next you have the International level. Already, the USA has not recognized the World Court, and in fact, was opposed to it. The USA will never turn former high level officials over to it or any international tribunal. The USA will always fall back on claiming their soverign rights supercede anything an international tribunal could come up with, including an indictment. As for the United Nations, the USA holds a potential veto of anything the security council can do, so that will go nowhere. What we are left with, unfortunately, is a very high probability that justice, at least in our world, will not or never be served, despite the atrocities and crimes committed.

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» Justice and THIS system... Posted by: Cathyc
So, I am guessing everyone will be in DC on 5 December 2007?
Posted by: Turiye on Dec 3, 2007 12:42 PM   
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In front of the Supreme Court.

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let's say Ratner loses in America
Posted by: Ripcord on Dec 3, 2007 1:31 PM   
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Ratner counts his chickens before they hatch by speculating on the outcome of the challenge to Congress' MCA of 2006
"let's say we win..."

Looks to me like a slam dunk for Bush.

The S.Ct. probably initially refused the case because it was "open and closed."

It probably changed its mind and agreed to review the DC Ct in order to give Bush the heads of Boumediene and Al Odah, et. al. on a silver platter.

Of course the right to habeas is important to Americans.

But in the MCA of 2006 Congress specifically denies our habeas right to aliens.

The DC Ct held that the MCA of 2006:
(1) applies to aliens -- they are denied habeas, and
(2) it is constitutional

Sad, but true...your representatives in Congress did this.

On every point Ratner makes in this editorial interview,, the DC Ct said,

(his) argument goes nowhere

This is nonsense

(his) arguments are creative not cogent

(his) arguments are also filled with holes

(his) strange idea is a mystery

which is why Ratner is smart to make such arguments in other countries

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» RE: let's say Ratner loses in America Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: au contrare: remember Gore v. Bush Posted by: Joshua Holland
A VERY ENCOURAGING INTERVIEW
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 3, 2007 2:03 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I continue to hope that selling our country down the tubes is not left to disappear into history. So much has already been buried or ignored. There's alot of work underway to bring people to justice. If only a fraction of it works out, I'll be happy. Here's hoping. Thanks, ANNA

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NPR quote Graham not Ratner, remeber next pledge drive
Posted by: whealeydj on Dec 3, 2007 3:30 PM   
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on NPR's day to day they covered this story by interviewing Lindsay Graham who defended the administration and the end of habeas corpus. I suggest those who listen to NPR is time to ask for an interview with Ratner. With the authoritarian 5 (he four right wing wackos and Kennedy) on the bench I am not holding my breath on Supreme court to stand up for rule of law and the Constitution.

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Democratic Party: Soft on the Criminals Bush and Cheney
Posted by: left_libertarian on Dec 3, 2007 6:27 PM   
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The only one worth anything is Kucinich and he's polling - what -1%?

That tells me a lot about the Democratic Party.

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» I'm With Doubttom On This One! Posted by: Stoney 12+1
Thank God...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Dec 3, 2007 7:42 PM   
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...for people like Michael Ratner, people who pursue the truth no matter how illusive and covered over it seems to be.

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As creative as your idea is, it lowers everyone
Posted by: crystaljim on Dec 4, 2007 6:58 AM   
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who is involved to the same level as the criminals running our country. Rather we should use our energies to talk to the ostriches (Read Contrary Brin for definition of ostriches, you will enjoy the site). If we could all convert ONE person to a progressive position, Cheney/Bush would be behind bars, maybe FOREVER.

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Gitmo saved lives
Posted by: Brnyboo on Dec 4, 2007 9:33 AM   
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Actually, Bush and company could well qualify
for the humanitarian medal by providing a safe haven at considerable American cost to approx 660 suspected terrorists. These suspected terrorists would probably all have been dead by now if left in their environments. Their treatment and living conditions are bar better than the conditions of our normal felons and convicted murderers housed in American Jails. I have read countless opinions re Bush's crimes and have to agree with some. It is doubtful that any prosecution will be succesful when the next Republican president takes the oath of office in 2009.

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A new progressive regime
Posted by: Earthian on Dec 4, 2007 7:15 PM   
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I'll know if the United States has created a progressive regime to replace the current corporate regime if Michael Ratner becomes attorney general. Or secretary of state. This interview is fantastic. Both Holland and Ratner covered the topics I wanted to know about. Wonderful.

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Homegrown Terrorism Act
Posted by: aroundhere on Dec 4, 2007 8:14 PM   
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Hey, there is an amazing article about the Homegrown Terrorism Act that the Center for Constitutional Rights is an outright critic of.

Read all about it on Indypendent, and spread the word. We cannot have our constitutional rights taken away from us like this!

NYC Indypendent

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Thanking My Parents For My Name
Posted by: tommy1957 on Dec 5, 2007 10:07 AM   
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Fist off I will tell you I was born an Irish/ Scottish Catholic and named after catholic saints. However, if my parents would have been followers of Malcolm X, or some other Muslim leader my name might have been named Mohamed. And thus subjected to discrimination under the laws of the Bush and Republican congress. The idea that someone can be arrested and given no reason or trial, whisked away and tortured and no government official held accountable for this illegal activity makes me think I am living in the Soviet Union. I feel sick! I really thought I was born in a democracy where the government exist for the purpose of serving the people, not imprisoning them.

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GO!!!!!!! Michael Ratner.
Posted by: kentigereyes@yahoo.com on Dec 5, 2007 1:27 PM   
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You've got my support. Somebody has to nail the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime. It is very obvious that the jerk politicians are not going to oppose this regime that is destroying the United States as it continues to stuff a few already over-stuffed pockets.

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CRIMINALS - EACH AND ALL
Posted by: outrider on Dec 5, 2007 4:02 PM   
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while Speaking of accountability, what about nongovernmental organizations like Blackwater and corporations like Halliburton which have conspired with and/or aided and abetted those guilty of war crimes? Are their any entities, corporeal or incor