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War on Iraq

Military Recruitment Lie: Pentagon's Education Pitch is a Scam

By Aaron Glantz, The Nation. Posted November 29, 2007.


Today's GI Bill is a hollow recruiting tool, not a ticket to college.
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"Join the military and go to college." That's what the recruiters say.

But the deal that today's servicemen and servicewomen get is a far cry from what their fathers and grandfathers got. When President Franklin Roosevelt signed the GI Bill into law in the waning days of World War II, he saw it as part of his New Deal program. The law, officially called the Servicemen's Readjustment Act, promised returning veterans that the government would pay the full cost of tuition and books at any public or private college or job-training program. It also provided unemployment insurance and loans to buy homes and start businesses.

By contrast, the current Montgomery GI Bill, passed in 1984, asks active duty members to accept a pay reduction of $100 per month through twelve months of military service. When they return to school, they receive $1,100 monthly for a maximum of three years of education benefits. It's an amount that doesn't come close to covering the cost of a modern college education, but it does help some veterans--if they can get through the red tape.

In July 2005, 23-year-old Paris Lee was honorably discharged after serving almost three years in the Army. A native of California's rural, picturesque North Coast where the old-growth redwoods grow, he returned home and enrolled in a free ten-week college prep program called Veterans Upward Bound at Humboldt State University. Lee was preparing to attend Humboldt State in the fall, but this past May he received a letter from the Department of Veterans Affairs denying his application for the GI Bill. "They said I'm not eligible because I served thirty-five months and two days in the Army," he told me. "Normally you have to serve thirty-six months to get education benefits, so they're trying to deny me based on twenty-eight days." After the VA rejected Lee's application for GI benefits, he sent an appeal letter to the VA regional office in Muskogee, Oklahoma. While he waits for the response, the Army veteran works dealing cards for blackjack, Pai Gow and Texas hold 'em games at Blue Lake Indian Casino east of Arcata.

According to the VA, those seeking to activate their GI Bill benefits must fill out a twelve-page form, which is eventually submitted to the college or university of choice. It's not uncommon for a veteran to receive letters requesting more information, and VA questions must be answered to the department's satisfaction. A notice of eligibility usually takes four to eight weeks.

With an application process like that, it's little wonder that, according to the Department of Education, veterans are much less likely to graduate from college than students who have never served in the military. The department's most recent data show just 3 percent of veterans who entered a four-year college program in 1995 graduated by 2001, compared with a 30 percent overall graduation rate.

Another reason for that gap is the military experience itself. The Pentagon sells an educational dream to recruits. In addition to promising tens of thousands of dollars for a service member's college education, recruiters promise future soldiers that they'll be able to "attend college anywhere they are based and even in the combat zone through Internet classes offered from the college they are enrolled in."

But most Iraq War veterans say that's a promise that exists only on paper. They say it's difficult to study in the military--especially in combat zones. Take 23-year-old Alejandro Rocha. The Los Angeles native joined the military in 2002. After graduating from high school, he had started to drift, and when his father's hours got cut from his job in a pen factory, Rocha dropped out of community college and took a minimum-wage job loading and unloading merchandise at Macy's. "I wanted to escape," he told me. "The money wasn't good, and I said to myself, I can't just be doing this my whole life. So I joined the Marine Corps. They sent me on three tours in Iraq." Rocha was assigned to an infantry unit and spent most of his five-year commitment either in Iraq or in training. After taking part in the initial invasion in 2003, he was called back for the brutal siege of Falluja in November 2004 (more than 100 Americans and 4,000 Iraqis died in that battle). In 2005, he was back in Falluja.

"I don't know how they expect us to take classes in Iraq," he said. "Maybe some people can. Maybe some people have desk jobs, but I was a machine-gunner. I manned Humvees and rolled around in Humvees, patrolling. Sometimes we went house to house…door by door and knocking down doors. When we were back in the US, we were just training and training. It wasn't really part of my job to study."


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The army will screw you
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Nov 30, 2007 5:28 AM   
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In 1970 I was lost in Arlington Cemetery during a class trip to Washington DC. I ran into a group of WW I vets. Rather than give directions back to the Lee/Custis House, they told me about thier lives in the war. When they finished they told me this "the army will always screw you, it's what those assholes do". May be they read my mind , i was considering joining the army to fight in Vietnam. The next year I went to college instead. I think they accomplished thier mission.37 years later I remember and recall that nothing much has changed.

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Recruiters LIE
Posted by: JSquercia on Dec 6, 2007 4:48 AM   
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The sad truth is that recruiters lie amd those they lie TO are usually young and inexperienced kids . I remember my own experience the recruiters told me that for every day in the service I would receive a day and a half of college . Since I was enlisting for four years I assumed this meant enough to go on for a Masters should I so desire it .
Imagine my surprise to learn that thewas capped at 36 months . they omitted that detail.
I was fortunate enogh to use the GI bill to get my degree and subsequently qualified for a GI mortgage .
I am NOT surprised that the Republicans would hold up Senator Webb's bill . They are obsessed with the idea that spending money on people is an extragence but peoviding subsidies to fat cat corporations is necessary
I am curious how they can hold up the bill . I thought WE had a majority . If this another deal where they threaten to fillabuster the nill yhen MAKE them GO IT / Let the country see how the Party that loves the troops really supports them

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» RE: ecruiters LIE Posted by: xconservative
Liberal Veteran's Response
Posted by: thm107 on Dec 6, 2007 5:32 AM   
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As a liberal I take great pride in pointing out anything that can be shown to prove this Administration's ineptitude and outright evilness, but the GI Bill/College Fund/Educational Benefits that are touted for veterans are not something I can readily hold up as the lies this article purports. I am a veteran who used his GI Bill and College Fund to HELP put himself through college.

The key word is HELP. No one in their right mind believes one can pay for a four-year education with the GI Bill and College Fund, but it went a long way towards making my education affordable. I took one semester of college (basically free) while in the service as well, but one cannot expect to be able to earn a degree while enlisted - it isn't your first priority, after all (the whole 'defending the country' thing gets in the way of a college education while in uniform).

Another thing I noticed was that, and let's be honest here, the majority of kids signing up for the military aren't exactly college material. Yeah, I said it. There is a reason they didn't go to college right out of high school, and for the majority of them it wasn't because schools were knocking down their doors trying to get them in, and it wasn't because they were fully prepared for college.

Finally, let's call this what it is - consumers (enlistees and their parents) falling for a SALES PITCH. No one believes everything the car dealer, appliance salesman or home improvement contractor tells them - why would you believe, without reading the fine print, what a recruiter says, especially in times like these where only fools would enlist anyway? The information is all right there to be read - caveat emptor is a basic rule of thumb with ANY transaction of significance - certainly a life is significant?

As for the paperwork issue - I never once had my paperwork returned or had any issue with filing or receiving my benefits from the government - the colleges I attended were another matter (they tend not to like to have veterans on campus or deal with the paperwork). Again, perhaps simply reading and following the very simple instructions would speed the process along?

Come on liberals, this edifice that constitutes the Bush Administration and the right-wing neocon agenda is ripe for the picking - don't distract ourselves with tripe such as this when there are very real, substantive issues that matter.

This? Personal responsibility on the part of the enlistee and their parents would solve 95% of the GI Bill/College Fund's issues.

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» RE: Liberal Veteran's Response Posted by: Richard House
» RE: Liberal Veteran's Response Posted by: staugustus
This guy is alway so on point
Posted by: ppcoleman on Dec 6, 2007 5:44 AM   
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Why don't you write a book,
Aaron?

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THIS COMBAT VETERAN AGREES......
Posted by: kc10ken on Dec 6, 2007 6:29 AM   
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The GI Bill isn't the total package....indeed, it HELPS us Veteran's go to college, but you cannot depend on it to pay for your tuition in it's entirety.

I used my GI Bill to get my commercial pilots license, multi engine ratings and instrument ratings. They made me jump through hoops to get the money, but I finally did. They then came back 5 years later and tried to tell me I owed THEM a refund. It took me 9 years to straighten it out with the VA but I finally did. I feel sorry for the Vets coming out of the service these days, the Cons haved CONNED them really well into thinking they would be eligible for many benefits that they will never see thanks to Bush's budget cuts.

Right here in the Hudson Valley we have a disabled Vet from dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq. He's 23 years old and a vegitable now...condemned to his bed for eternity while his mother attempts to take care of him. The VA promised the family over $50,000 to build a wheel chair accessible room for him....and never paid...we in the community chipped in and built the room for the family. Then the VA promised to provide 24 hour care ( a nurse) for him and they did....for about 3 months....then they pulled the nurse and left his mother to tend to him for the balance of his life. What's really sad is that this kid was duped by the neocons into going to Iraq to fight the good fight and now HE'S paying the price for dumbya's fuckup while the defense contractors line their pockets. It's shameful.

Peace

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» No peace until Posted by: thekidde
Military Myths
Posted by: dhalleck on Dec 6, 2007 6:35 AM   
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Paper Tiger has a great DVD called Military Myths which is aimed at young people that addresses recruiters' false promises.
http://www.papertiger.org

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Everyone concerned about the military and Bush
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 6, 2007 8:34 AM   
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should google smedley butler. Two medals of honor (not "congressional - no such thing damn it), Marine general, etc. Interesting guy and a real patriot - not like BushCo and Cheneyville.

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Talking about the Muskogee VA
Posted by: rogus on Dec 6, 2007 12:06 PM   
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Your article refers to the problems at the Muskogee VA Education claims department.

Let me share a letter from a previous Muskogee VA employee that worked in Education Claims.

Quote: "I am also a former VA employee. I was a Veterans Claims Examiner in the Education Division in Muskogee. I wouldn't produce the sloppy work they started doing to get more award money. That kept me from meeting the production requirement some months.

I complained about it to everyone at the VA, including the director. I went to Senator Inhofe and they sent my letter to the OSC, IG, DOL in June 2004. We still haven't received any response from them. Management found out about me contacting the Senator and I was "removed" from my job in July 2005 for "unsatisfactory performance".

When I read your letter in the newspaper I understood why I was unsuccessful in getting any help from the union with my MSPB hearing.
You may know that Muskogee is the only VA office in the United States that that is not union, including hospitals. Management does anything they want. The nepotism that goes on in this office is unbelievable."

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Not me
Posted by: lavready on Dec 6, 2007 1:39 PM   
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As a former active duty Marine, who is currently using the GI Bill to finish my B.S., I can say that my experience with the military, and the VA has been as advertised, and satisfactory. Sure, I wish there was more money, but I am getting what I signed up for, and no one lied to me about what I would get. I attended classes while I was on active duty, I was encouraged to do so by my Marine Corps leadership (VMA-311), and the military was prompt in reimbursing me for my educational expenses 100% while active duty. After my discharge I have been using the VA GI Bill as I finish my degree. The VA works well with the school I am attending, and after I went to the school's financial aid office, I found things to work smoothly and efficiently. I am getting what I signed up for, and am grateful for it. No one lied to me about what was offered or how it would be administered. I paid 100 bucks a month for my first year in the USMC, but in return I was given an account with the VA worth well over $36,000.00 I can't complain about that. Sure, there will always be hard luck cases, as in the examples provided by the above story, but I disagree with the tone and slant of the story. The military was not out to screw me, I got a fair deal, and I know of many other people who are gladly using their GI Bills right now... they weren't lied to either. I will have my B.S. in May, and I paid almost nothing for it.

However if I may... I can think of a way to make the GI Bill more effective. The military should offer a class or program that is required for personnel who will be separating. In that class, the specifics of how to use the GI Bill should be explained, details of each individual account, and more encouragement or motivation provided to point the personnel to actually use the Bill and return to school. I also know a large number of personnel who never used the GI Bill, that they paid into.

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It doesn't work for everyone
Posted by: heathery on Dec 6, 2007 3:23 PM   
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After reading this I felt I had to contribute. In 1999 I joined the Army Reserves, the year between my Junior and Senior year. For my entire Senior year of High school I dutifully went to my Armory once a month. After a few months because I had yet to complete basic training I was assigned to type and file, anything that came across my desk. After a while I noticed that many of the older men re-enlisting (after hearing them say they weren't going to). I got curious and starting asking the men, why if they didn't want to, were they re-enlisting. I was informed by everyone of them that they were re-enlisting because they had to. They were fighting for their college benefits, these men ranged in age from 58-80! My response was obvious..why bother, they didn't need the benefits anymore. I was told that even though they couldn't use the benefits their children and grandchildren should have been able to, but to even have a chance of their children getting the benefits that these men never got they had to re-enlist. If they were no longer in the service they no longer had the right to fight for the benefits that were promised to them. After a few months of asking everyone I came into contact with if they had applied or received their benefits, to which the majority answer was no, I decided it was time to let them know I was not going to be completing basic training and that they could give me a dishonorable discharge.

When asked why I was leaving I stated the following reasons:

When I signed on I was promised the job of my choice and an enlistment bonus. I was assigned to a job not of my choice and had no bonus.

That almost every person in my Armory was rejected for the college benefits I was promised (to which the counselor stated I probably would have never gotten anyway).

And as a high school student working full time, school full time, and in the military - when I filed my taxes I lost all of my refund and had to pay the IRS almost $200 --- because of my military service and pay.

I saw the signs of the government asking me for everything, possibly even my life - and returning none of their promises.

The best part though is on my last day everyone who knew what I had done at my Armory, told me that I had made the right decision getting out when I did.

I know that I made the right decision for me, just as I understand that joining the military is the right decision for others. To this day I have not regretted my decision

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Worked for me
Posted by: richever on Dec 6, 2007 4:54 PM   
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As a six year Navy veteran I need to say that after getting out of the service I had absolutely no problem with the VA receiving money for my GI bill and received exactly what was promised. Actually, more since every year the payments would go up due to various cost of living adjustments.

The paperwork was not complicated at all and I don't recall having to fill out an application a dozen or so pages in length. The process was pretty straight forward and at each college I attended (two in California) the on-campus VA offices were coopertive and helpful.

As for the money itself, I'm not sure what I would have done with out it. First off, I didn't use the monthly checks to pay for school. Instead, they completely payed my rent (and then some) for the 4 (not just 3) years I went to school. Like other students, I took out student loans (which are not payed off) to pay for tuition and books.

The VA and the military may have its faults but, personally, the GI Bill worked for me and without it my college experience would have been much more difficult than it was.

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Made it Through the System
Posted by: staugustus on Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM   
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I agree with most of your comments. I was jsut lucky and was able to get a four-year degree while I was in many years (@90% paid, due to my rank) and used the Vietnam-era GI Bill later for a Masters and an addtional Bachelors Degree. It can be done, while you are on active duty, but you must be committed and disciplined enough not to give up, and take every oppportunity to take courses whenever and wherever you can. I spent many a weekend, evening, and other taking courses, while my esteemed collgues were too busy chasing females, reading comic books or other pastime that did not add value. Getting credit through DANTES or other previous experious is a big help too. No one is going to earn a degree easily, while in combat arms roles, there is not enough time, and your schedule is unstable. Even if you are in combar support roles or staioned where at a easy post or role, not many are astute enough to take advantage of the situation. They may have other issues from home or be maried. If you are maried, that presents a larger challenge, due to your maraige and child-rearing responsibilities(if applicable). I was single and devoted my time for school, work,working-out, and travel. Many maried soldiers could not keep the pace I did or committment to education that would pay beter dividends if they kept with it, when job-huntng whenver they left the service. Unfortunatly, many do not seem t grasp this. I just kept pushing for the four-year degree and it paid off in the end, before I got out.

A lot of these kids today believe anything the recruiters tell them. They are lying through their teeth, becuase of the pressure placed on them from higher-ups to make quotas or else, i.e., their careers going down the tubes. Kids and their parents should seriosly do due diligence and ask other veterans , friends who served, and collect as much information to make a more intelligent decision. Challenge what the recruiter tells you, bring someone with you(an "uncle" who was a lifer) and have them give the recruiter a shock, to make the recruiter honest, though the recruiter may be savvy enough t dane around the questions and answers. The recruiters are shrewd and are like any salesman , they want to do ther two-three year tour as a recriter, and then leave as soon as possible.

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The GI Bill & higher ed
Posted by: JaxnVox on Dec 6, 2007 6:41 PM   
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My father upon returning from Korea used his GI Bill to get an education & became first member of our family to go to college.

In 1979 I left college to join the army. I enlisted under the Veterans Educational Assistance Program (VEAP), a precursor to the Montgomery GI Bill. Like others who have posted, it helped me get through school to earn both an AS & a BA. I worked two part time jobs while going to school full time. While the system isn't perfect you can make it work to your advantage.

On active duty I took DANTES/CLEP exams & upon my return to school I received college credit for my former MOS of 21G. It allowed me to earn two degrees with only two years of classwork.

For the current generation of servicepeople I can only say this: "Let the buyer beware!" You are consumers buying what recruiters are selling & no amount of spin can change that.

It's also telling that the neocon hawks are holding up Sen Webb's bill. Here's a man who knows firsthand the Hell that is war as both a Marine & father of a Marine. Again I ask how many must fall & be maimed for Bush's folly? For their sacrifices we as a nation must show our gratitude to them & their families no matter how we feel about the war.

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This guy was a Grunt, wasn't he?
Posted by: tgabriel on Dec 6, 2007 8:10 PM   
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I have read a number of the responses and several of them advise being disciplined or motivated or some other noble thing. If I am not mistaken, the subject of the article was a GRUNT.

If that is true, there is no way he could have taken classes as an e-3 or below in an Infantry outfit in Iraq. In my experience, there are few more motivated or disciplined people than Grunts, PTSD notwithstanding.

The Marine in the Air Wing (VMA something) had the advantage of being in the Air Wing. Hell, airdales in Viet Nam even had air-conditioning, real beds to sleep in, and hot chow three or four times a day! How does that compare to the life of a grunt?

Because I was a grunt radio operator for most of my three years in Viet Nam, all I could do was walk around carrying a radio and spare batteries with a bunch of grunts so that the sargeant or lieutenent or captain could talk to someone about resupply or artillery support or an air strike. After I got some rank and experience, I did most of the talking myself.

At one point I did sign up for an MCI course and finished it but it was about gear I was working with and I carried the pamphlets to the bush with me for about three months before I got done with two weeks worth of lessons.

After I got out in '70 I went to college and can honestly say I never had any problems with getting my $320 a month for the 48 months I had coming.

My view of a GI Bill for War Veterans is a bill that should cover tuition and books and a stipend for any War Veteran GI or Jarhead who gets accepted to ANY college. The fact that Viet Nam War vets did not get such wonderful benefits is not the point. I got through college with the GI Bill, loans, and part-time work. My father's generation got through college with the GI Bill. Period.

In fact, when I told my father about what I was getting he just laughed and said, "Still fucking vets over, it seems... At least you did your part."

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Why not just provide a college education?
Posted by: JERSEYDAN on Dec 7, 2007 3:02 PM   
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Why not just provide a college education to all who qualify? Use the money from the pentagon. Pull back all the troops from the empire, reduce the military budget, and give all who qualify a free education at a public college. Make the entrance exams harder if need be ( dump the SAT for a school-designed test so schools can decide for themselves what kids meet their criteria )and let those who get in do so for free. No military service required. Kids who graduate might be required to perform a year or two in government employ in some needed area ( urban public schools, hospitals, clinics, etc )or students can opt out of service by paying tuition or going to private schools ( on their own dime ). Or some such thing ....it's time people stopped viewing the military as an employment program or a scholarship fund. Just a thought....

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