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War on Iraq

How the Neocon-Christian Right Alliance Brought Down the House of Bush

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted November 21, 2007.


Craig Unger shares the untold story of how a band of true believers seized the executive branch, started the Iraq war, and still imperils America’s future.
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AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to investigative journalist Craig Unger in Washington, D.C., here with Democracy Now! He is author of the new book The Fall of the House of Bush: The Untold Story of How a Band of True Believers Seized the Executive Branch, Started the Iraq War, and Still Imperils America's Future. The book examines how neoconservatives secretly forged an alliance with the Christian Right during the Bush presidency and helped make the case for war in Iraq. Craig Unger is the contributing editor at Vanity Fair, also author of the book House of Bush, House of Saud.

Craig, welcome to Democracy Now!

CRAIG UNGER: Thanks for having me, Amy.

AMY GOODMAN: Why don't you start off by laying out the thesis of this book.

CRAIG UNGER: Well, I think when most people look at the Middle East conflict today, they frame it in terms of Islam versus the West. I want to try looking at a new paradigm, and that is, I want to examine fundamentalisms, and by that I mean not just Islamic fundamentalism, but Christian and Jewish fundamentalism, as well. And I really throw in neoconservatism as sort of a secular form of fundamentalism, which are in conflict with a modern post-Enlightenment world. And I think that’s a larger conflict that has gotten us into trouble today in the Middle East.

AMY GOODMAN: Talk about President Bush, President George W. Bush's relationship with George H.W. Bush, a central theme that runs through The Fall of the House of Bush.

CRAIG UNGER: Right. Well, you may have seen there have been a raft of stories recently that they have a very congenial relationship. Last summer, the New York Times had them playing horseshoes out in Kennebunkport, Maine. And on the surface, I think that’s the case. I interviewed Bob Strauss, for example, who had been chairman of the National Democratic Party. He was a friend of Bush Sr.’s and had been ambassador to Moscow when the elder George Bush was president. And he said that when he had dinner with the two men, they would just be gossiping, talking about, “Oh, how’s Susie doing in Midland, Texas?” and so on.

But under the surface, I think there’s a real very deep conflict that has affected millions of lives, cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and they represent almost polar opposite points of view. I call the first chapter in my book “Oedipus Tex.” And if you look at the current Bush administration, you realize he has put together an administration consisting of some of his father's worst enemies. For example, his father was a very congenial man, had very few bitter enemies, but one of them was certainly Donald Rumsfeld. In addition, his father had very little -- was not terribly fond of the Christian Right, and at one point he called them the “extra chromosome crowd,” a remark for which he had to apologize.

And finally, his father had been doing battle with the neoconservatives as early as 1976. If you go back to that period, Bush Sr. was then head of the CIA, and you see the young neocons then had put together what was known as Team B, and they began to challenge the CIA’s intelligence on the Cold War. This was the era of detente. They were saying the CIA was a bunch of liberals who were being soft on the Soviet Union. And they tried to come up -- they began to politicize intelligence and distort it and come up with a much tougher line. And in there I think you see a lot of the foreshadowing of the events we're going through today.

AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about how President Bush and Vice President Cheney made the case for war in Iraq, I want to turn to comments made by Dick Cheney in September of 1992. At the time, he was President George H.W. Bush's Secretary of Defense. During an address at the Economic Club of Detroit, Cheney was asked why the United States didn’t bury Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War. This is how he responded close to fifteen years ago.

    DICK CHENEY: At the end of the war in the Gulf, when we made the decision to stop, we did so because we had achieved our military objectives -- that is, when we decided to halt military operations. Those objectives were twofold: to liberate Kuwait and, secondly, to strip Saddam Hussein of his offensive military capability, of his capacity to threaten his neighbors. And we had done that.

    There is no doubt in my mind, but what we could have gone on to Baghdad and taken Baghdad, occupied the whole country. We had the 101st Airborne up on the Euphrates River Valley about halfway between Kuwait and Baghdad. And I don’t think, from a military perspective, that it would have been an impossible task. Clearly, it wouldn’t, given the forces that we had there.

    But we made a very conscious decision not to proceed for several reasons, in part because as soon as you go to Baghdad to get Saddam Hussein, you have to recognize that you’re undertaking a fairly complex operation. It’s not the kind of situation where we could have pulled up in front of the presidential palace in Baghdad and said, “Come on, Saddam. You’re going to the slammer.” We would have had to run him to ground. A lot of places he could have gone to hide out or to resist. It would have required extensive military forces to achieve that.


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Oh, what a difference 15 years makes
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 21, 2007 1:28 AM   
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The Deadeye Dick "Buckshot" Cheney of 1992 was right on the money....for every reason he gave for not going into Iraq. Back then even Joint Chiefs Chairman Colin Powell still had his soul, and no doubt also counseled the prudent approach. After all, Saddam was 'our boy' and we could do business with him. Reagan even sent in special envoy Donald Rumsfeld to shake/hold his hand, Iraqi dissidents exiled from their home country still under the brutal tyrant called Rumsfeld a "travelling salesman for chemical weapons". So what changed? Certainly not the political/social dynamics of a region whose latent civil strife was kept in check by an iron fist, which we propped up and aided....under the banner of strategic balance against those nasty Persians that took our guys hostage. What changed was explained by many formerly from the inside of the machine (Greenspan, etc)....OIL. The Iraq map was on the table during Cheney's 'secret energy policy meeting(s)', and Saddam threatened to denominate his oil in Euros, like Iran is doing....which is really why they are in such 'trouble' now. Cheney finally was in position...he had a pliable puppet acting as a dressup president, we had a convenient attack which could be spun into support for war by a pliant and scared sheeple, it was all in place. As for the 'president', there is nothing more dangerous than a reformed alcoholic/'alleged' cokehead-turned wild eyed fundie. He's bought into the fundies' end time scenario, they are almost crazed they think the end times are upon us and now have a willing cult member as their/our dear leader to bring back Jebus with the last great war....to take place in Mesopotamia/Persia. I'MAGEDDON SCARED! All they need is a pretext, which they are putting those bricks into place daily. It's probably a matter of timing at this point, the decision has already been made at this point. It will be a strategeric time sometime before the election to manipulate the sheeples' votes. Am I cynical? You bet.

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Once again
Posted by: Jbuuty on Nov 21, 2007 3:29 AM   
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Unger makes a lot of good observations, and he has certainly researched his material well. The Christian Right, and people such as Tim Lahaye, are frightening. Many evangelical Christians seem to be living in a dream world: a world in which reality is less real than the givens of an ideology. These are seen in firm beliefs in the myths of America, e.g., Thanksgiving, Christian Nation, Melting Pot, etc., as well as in the opposition to science.
However, Unger makes a comment at the end of the interview which disturbs me. He says:
And what you have in the Christian Right is as many as 80 million adult evangelicals. You have about 200,000 pastors, and they operate almost as precinct captains did in the labor unions for the Democratic Party. So this is a vast populist movement that operates as part of the Christian Republican Party, and they have regular contact with the White House.
He has lumped all evangelical Christians and pastors into one monolithic political bad guy. This group of people is much more diverse than often portrayed.

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» RE: Once again..sorry Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: Once again..sorry Posted by: Jim
» RE: Once again..sorry Posted by: Mycos
fun d' mental
Posted by: particle61 on Nov 21, 2007 6:27 AM   
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www.redstateupdate.net
frequently focusing on flatulent fundamentalists, be they religious or political,
see stories in the fun d' mental archive:
http://www.redstateupdate.net/fun-d-mental/fundmental.html

"I don't know what's worse, a preacher fooling with politics, or a politician fooling with religion" g singlaub

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"Brought down" the House of Bush?
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Nov 21, 2007 6:31 AM   
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The Bush Family is as powerful as ever. In or out of the White House.

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Cheney then and now
Posted by: kogwonton on Nov 21, 2007 8:25 AM   
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All Cheney's past words do is prove that the goal of the U.S. invasion of Iraq was to REMAIN in Iraq for years to come. In fact, his words support accusations by some that the insurgency is DESIRED by the Bush administration in that is serves as a justification for continued occupation. That there are permanent military bases being built there only supports this. He knew better, but went ahead and did it anyway because this so-called 'failure' in Iraq is no failure at all, depending on what the actual objective is. When will people finally realize that these guys really are just as evil as our most paranoid nightmares?

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Why am I not surprised
Posted by: astockton on Nov 21, 2007 8:41 AM   
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Bush even lies about who "converted" him because that preacher is not a celebrity and Billy Graham is! How Christian of him.

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» RE: Why am I not surprised Posted by: leemiller38
» RE: There is a word for it... Posted by: nightgaunt
Dick
Posted by: rjgwood on Nov 21, 2007 10:21 AM   
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Its quite clear to me that although Dick Cheney spoke those words then, it was only because he was in Bush I's house. But, the neocons/military industrial complex for whom he works now is aligned with a doctrine of oil domination that was less of a paradigm then. Bush I obviously felt more constrained by the democratic structure of the constitution and bill of rights than our rulers today.

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Unger's Thesis is Similar to BBC's Power of Nightmares Series
Posted by: volscho on Nov 21, 2007 10:55 AM   
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Adam Curtis made a BBC documentary, The Power of Nightmares which presents a very similar argument concerning the rise of Christian and Islamic radicals.

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This sort of bull.......
Posted by: tap17x on Nov 21, 2007 1:53 PM   
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..........proves once again that the forces motivating Refucklicans are:
(1) Religious stupidity
(2) Corporate greed
(3) Lust for unchecked power
(4) Love of guns
(5) Hatred of the other
(6) Ideology over human values
The Dems are almost as guilty but are more free of all but (2).

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The Real Enemy
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 21, 2007 6:39 PM   
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The most salient point Unger makes is that the real enemy is fundamentalism itself, in whatever form it takes.

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» RE: The Real Enemy Posted by: Mr. Terrific
Fundamentalism the greatest threat to world peace..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 21, 2007 10:02 PM   
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There's no question that Fundamentalism is the problem, Muslim Christian or Jew any Fundamentalism which in previous times were referred to as Zealots..!

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a heresy and in reality a Cult..

Jesus showed us by His example and sacrifice that we could defeat death and need not fear death but these Fundamentalists teach you can and will escape death physical death..in the Rapture..supposedly..

They are so committed to their cult they actually seek to hasten this Armageddon and slaughter and carnage of billions yes billions of lives for the sake of their bring this to pass prior to their own death..


So we have lunatics and zealots making decisions cultists running the store and thus also Fundamentalists with Nuclear weapons our Nuclear weapons and they intend to use them even if only the below ground variety on Iran but that will escalate quickly and very possibly even strategic above ground nukes..


Fundamentalism is the greatest threat to World Peace that there is..!

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The Jews behind it after all!
Posted by: Orientalist on Nov 22, 2007 4:37 AM   
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I am wondering how much money Hagee the Hypocrite was paid by the Jews to take the Jews side. There are no doubt in my mind that he is bribed by the Jews, is there anyone who doesn't believe in this and that's what happened when he visited Israel. He was approached by the Jews who gave him an "offer" he couldn't refuse! Because he worship Mammon like the rest of the hypocrites! I think that is a very big contributing factor behind the scene! So behind it all after all is the JEWS!

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» RE: The Jews behind it after all! Posted by: Orientalist
» RE: The Jews behind it after all! Posted by: Orientalist
It is about the DOLLAR
Posted by: lc on Nov 23, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Oil as an international commodity is quoted in US DOLLARS. Sales and payment are all transacted in US Dollars. The US prints paper that every country in the world has to acquire in order to purchase oil. Saddam first proposed starting a new oil exchange for OPEC to trade in Euros, so Iraq was bombed. Now Iran is making the same threat: to quote their oil prices in Euros. Iran has to be bombed.
The run up in oil prices is due to Bush filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve every day with millions of barrels of oil. That takes produced oil out of the consumer market and creates a window of opportunity for sepculators to drive the price up. Most of the rise in Oil price is due to commodity price speculation.
If Bush stopped buying and reversed US policy for a month or two and actually sold oil from the Reserve, oil prices would automatically drop. Speculators would be cashed out of the market and oil prices would stabilize.
It is imperative that Iran not be allowed to quote oil in UNITED STATES DOLLARS. Iran will be bombed into DOLLAR compliance. We don't get their oil any more than we get Iraq oil because we bombed Iraq. But we do continue the UNITED STATES DOLLAR as the main mark of international exchange. Every new country, or Russian Republic, is like a new retail store opening. Their cash register has to have an opening amount of cash in its drawer to start the day. As long as the US DOLLAR rules, then all those new "stores" will have to acquire Dollars and the US Federal Reserve will gladly print as many 4 cent pieces of paper as are needed for every new Central Bank to hold in reserve for all the new cash registers opening all across their new capitalist landscapes. But if those countries choose instead to use Euros, then the Federal Reserve and every American is going to get stuck with a whole bunch of 4 cent paper the rest of the world does not want.
UNITED STATES DOLLAR. Count the number of letters and you get 666 which is the mark of the beast. Believe it or not based on my simple analysis today, but when you read my book with complete interpretations, then you will better understand that now is the beginning of the end when the Russian Bear is on its side but won't let go of three of its former ribs, or Republics.
Its the greatest story never told.
IM
Belteshazzar
AntiChrist is US

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» RE: It is about the DOLLAR Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: It is about the language Posted by: nightgaunt
» Hocked on Phonics Posted by: lc
On a lighter note
Posted by: trevor-1 on Nov 23, 2007 1:55 PM   
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This is really funny. I found a blurb about Blessitt on a web site devoted to strange record albums. Here's the link to the main gallery page. Just search on "Blessitt" then click the picture.

http://blackgemrecords.com/gallery/v/forsale-bydate/

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Religion is caused by insanity.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 23, 2007 10:52 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" byVictor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain? Furthermore, the 4 Million
years it took to go from chimp brain to "human" brain is much too short for
Nature to get the bugs worked out."

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

Other authors: Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens

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George W. Bush is schizophrenic.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 23, 2007 10:57 PM   
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"GWB claims personal divine council" found on
page 409 of the book: "Dominance by Design" by Michael
Adas 2006 who references: Tariq Ali "The Clash of
Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads, and Modernity"
London: Verso, 2002
Reference: "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins,
2006: "George Walker Bush says "God" told him to invade
Iraq."
Reference: "The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice"
Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D., Robert Michels, M.D.
W. B. Saunders Co. 1971
Reference: "The Origin of Consciousness in the
Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes
Professor, Harvard University 1976
George Walker Bush says "God" told him to be president.
Translation: George Walker Bush had an hallucination of a
god telling him to be president. Having an hallucination
qualifies George Walker Bush for a clinical diagnosis of
Schizophrenia. George Walker Bush says "God" told him
to invade Iraq. Translation: George Walker Bush had an
hallucination of a god telling him to invade Iraq. George
Walker Bush is a chronic schizophrenic. We are at war in
Iraq because the president is mentally ill.

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NeoCons Like Dogma and Dogmatists
Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 25, 2007 9:49 PM   
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Thanking Amy Goodman for her work in advancing the information in Unger's book.

I have been posting a brief that follows below on the history of the NeoCons and modifying it according to new aspects. What follows is why they would get along with people of the christian right: even though they themselves are non-religious they believe in imbuing the people with religion as part of their idea of political science, and was favored by Plato's
Republic as I explain next:

Neo-Conservatism was spawned by the teaching of Leo Strauss, an apostate Jew who sympathized with the Nazis during the rise of Hitler. He tried to advise the Nazis not to be so overt; that their objective of conquest of at least the western hemisphere would more likely succeed with subtle methods. He was expelled by the Nazis who were fond of their immediate brutality. But Strauss found his way into the University of Chicago, overtly as a teacher of
Classics but to how use Platonic epigrams as subtle language in obtaining the kind of regime as proposed in "The Republic" of Plato. The principal teaching of the Republic is that government should be by philosophers, that is, literally from the ivory tower. The true philosopher is totally preoccupied with thinking that is the way to truth.
The true philosopher is not to be physically or emotionally involved with actual practice. That is, the philosopher in (his) high position avoids taking up weapons in war, or activities such as farming or carpentry. Hitler followed this mode as he conducted his war from the Wolfshantz where the generals came to him when summoned: He did not visit the generals' quarters, never rmind anybody in the field. Thus Wolvowitz, Perle, et. al. could do the "chicken hawk" chutzpah without a single qualm because of their belief in their intellectual brilliance and the perfection of "The Republic". In "The Republic"it is said that it is proper to lie to the people if it is for the common good. While "The Republic" supported some kind of mental world of forms as part of nature and the higher part of nature it does not support a deity. But it supports imbuing people with religion as a matter of keeping order in the realm. I need to emphasize most students of Greek history and philosophy maintain that "The Republic" was not to be taken literally but as a thought experiment, a discussion of what might be considered an ideal State. Neo-Conservatism considers the object and ideal as absolute power Now, I have summarized only half of Neo-Conservatism. Here comes the other half of the poison intended to execute democracy:

Very few might now remember the dispute between the Trotskyites and the Stalinists. Primarily it was about the belief that there must be one supreme world power before there can be a just society (whatever that means). while the dispute was about how this was to be accomplished These programs and political battles were also accompanied by the belief in the use of lies and slander, to wear down the enemy.. I point to newspaper columnist Novak who inherited this literary history; and became the specialist in provocation. Originally Russia was to be the dominant power, then Germany.
But with the ascent of Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld they found their opportunity in the United States and we are suffering the consequences.

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