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War on Iraq

Bush-Cheney Really Are Planning to Attack Iran!

By Jim Hightower, Hightower Lowdown. Posted November 17, 2007.


Bush & Buckshot are riding their little stick horses, demonizing another Muslim nation -- and the Dems are supporting it. We've got to shut them down.
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Look out -- here they come again! Bush & Buckshot are riding their little stick horses, waving the bloody flag of 9/11, demonizing another Muslim nation, shouting warnings about weapons of mass destruction, bellowing for regime change, and generally trying to whoop up a new war. Having done so well in Iraq, George W and Cheney are pushing feverishly to hype up a national-security threat and commit our nation, our bedraggled military, our depleted treasury, and our country's already-tarnished name to another of their fantasyland, neocon, preemptive invasions of a sovereign people who are doing no harm to us. Their target this time: Iran.

You might be thinking, oh, come on, Hightower, surely not. You're paranoid -- even the Bushites aren't that crazy. I wish.

The drums of war

For such leading neocon zealots as Norman Podhoretz, bombing and even invading Iran are about protecting "our" Mideastern oil, strengthening Israel's regional power, and continuing Western control of the restive Muslim majority in the Middle East. Podhoretz and other true believers assert that there's an urgent need for Israel and the West to crush Iran's Muslim government now, frantically wailing that it intends to destroy America and control the world. Even though Iran has made no threats to the U.S., the neocons see regime change there as the key to winning "World War IV" (they insist that the Cold War was World War III) against what they have dubbed "Islamofacism."

How nutty are they? Podhoretz concedes that by attacking such an influential Islamic nation, Bush would "unleash a wave of anti-Americanism all over the world that will make the anti-Americanism we've experienced so far look like a lovefest." Yet this Dr. Strangelove maniacally declares, "I pray with all my heart that he will." Now there's a prayer to a truly fiendish god!

George W, who is so besotted by Podhoretz that he has bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom on him, has bought into this guy's insanity. Adopting Podhoretz's inflamed doomsday stance, Bush recently accused Iran of preparing for global war (though W only ranks it as WW III), and Bush's bombastic sidekick, Cheney, has now threatened that Tehran will suffer "serious consequences" if it doesn't do what Washington wants. Just as they did in the run-up to their 2003 Iraq attack, the Bushites are now pounding out a drumbeat of propaganda to soften up the public, enlist the compliant media, and cow soft-spined Democratic leaders. You'll recognize some familiar themes (a.k.a. lies) in BushCheney's rationale for a "preventive" war of aggression against Iran:

Claim: Iran is in cahoots with al Qaeda, the demons who crashbombed America on 9/11. Actually, no. Iran is a Shiite nation that has long been in opposition to the Sunni-exclusive Islam preached by al Qaeda. Indeed, even before al Qaeda's attacks on America, Iran's leaders vehemently opposed the terrorist group's presence in neighboring Afghanistan, and Iran was one of the first Muslim countries to condemn the 9/11 assault. Iran also has willingly turned over al Qaeda suspects to the U.S.

Claim: WMDs! Iran is on the brink of making a nuclear bomb, thus posing an imminent threat to America and to our national interests. Not so. Iran has no nuclear weapons and is nowhere near having the ability to build one. As a signer of the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty, Iran has the right to enrich uranium to make electrical power (something our own country does every day). The Iranian government regularly allows inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency access to its nuclear facilities, and this UN agency (which is the one that turned out to be right about the lack of WMDs in Iraq) has found no evidence that Iran is trying to make a bomb. Even if it were, it would be years away from having one. There certainly is no imminent threat of an Iranian nuclear assault on any country, including our own, which is 7,000 miles away. Plus, Bush's own former top commander in Iraq, Gen. John Abizaid, points out that the U.S. lived with a nuclear Soviet Union throughout the Cold War and now lives with a number of nuclear nations, including China and Pakistan, so "there are ways to live with a nuclear Iran." It's simply a lie that the Bushites must rush to war to keep us from being nuked.

Claim: Those dastardly Iranians are meddling in our war in Iraq by supplying weapons to our enemies and by sending intelligence agents to undermine Iraq's government. Not likely. While some Iranianmade weapons have turned up in Iraq, there've been no findings of a large or regular influx and no evidence that the Iranian government itself is even tacitly behind it. Remember that Iran's leaders are Shiites who do not like al Qaeda and do not support the Sunni insurgency, so the only Iraqi force that Tehran would want to help is the Shiite majority that Bush himself has put in charge. As for Iranian "operatives" in Iraq, the two countries share long familial and cultural relationships, so there are a lot of Iranians in Iraq all the time. In fact, Iraq's Shiite-led government is pro-Iranian and has many economic and even military agreements with Tehran. Indeed, when U.S. troops "captured" a group of Iranians in a Baghdad hotel this summer, they turned out to be energy experts invited to Iraq by Prime Minister Maliki, who had them released.


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From "The Hightower Lowdown," edited by Jim Hightower and Phillip Frazer, November 2007. Jim Hightower is a national radio commentator, writer, public speaker and author of Thieves In High Places: They've Stolen Our Country and It's Time to Take It Back.

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CRIKEY!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 17, 2007 12:47 AM   
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Either DeadEye Dick "Buckshot" Cheney and shrub jr the boy emperor are 1) completely insane, B) Armegeddonists, Three) corporate lapdogs that serve their masters regardless of the consequences to the world, IV) have I said "batshit crazy" yet?, or e) EVIL!!!! (You may choose at least three of the above, or go off the board. Hightower's articles (especially this one) should be on the editorial page of every paper in America.
These guys are determined to bomb Iran, and if not stopped by our invertebrate Congress, we will soon be looking at only $3/gallon gas as the good old days. The plan is simple....destabilize the Middle East as much as humanly possible, keep oil prices high, and eventually trump up a pretext for an invasion/bombing of Persia so martial law can be invoked, activating all those signing statements/executive orders, canceling elections and then we can all live happily ever after. These guys are the tools of Beelzebub himself, or maybe just tools period.

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» RE: CRIKEY!!!!!!!!! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: CRIKEY!!!!!!!!! Posted by: ProudRightWinger
» RE: CRIKEY!!!!!!!!! Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: CRIKEY!!!!!!!!! Posted by: SoCalLib
» RE: CRIKEY!!!!!!!!! Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
REALLY/
Posted by: gellero on Nov 17, 2007 1:46 AM   
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Gee whillikers.........supported by the Dems.................Gosh darn, maybe the Dems know something we don't !!

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» RE: ALLY/ Posted by: JSquercia
» I doubt it. Posted by: drcyflowers
Epiphany
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 17, 2007 2:17 AM   
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I'm starting to think that maybe electing Bush and Cheney was a bad idea.

How's that for understatement?

On December 11, 2005, I made a call-in appearance on C-CSPAN's Washington Journal. Here is what I said that morning:

"On Election Day 2000, when this country stupidly send a corrupt, hideous, half-witted frat boy by the name of George W. Bush to the oval office - to the White House - we effecitvely pointed the proverbial loaded pistol at our own, collective head. On Election Day 2004 - make no mistake about it - we pulled the trigger."

I have no doubt that these homicidal bastards now plan on attacking Iran. I've always been against the death penalty as I am in the case of Bush and Cheney. However I must also emphasize the undeniable fact that I wouldn't shead a tear nor would I lose a moment's sleep were they to both be hanged as war criminals.

There. I feel better already!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: piphany Posted by: littlemanintheboat
» therapy Posted by: vox persona
» RE: piphany Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: piphany Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
» RE: piphany Posted by: dsmidiman
Dump The Dems
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Nov 17, 2007 2:41 AM   
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The democrats have done absolutely nothing to earn my support. They have given Bush everything he could ever want. The are the very best, most loyal Republicans ever!

I will not support Democrats in any way. I have donated to and will vote third party exclusively from now on. When the Dems have put Bush and Cheney where they belong, behind bars, then they can look for my support.

Wake up America, the two party "system" is extremely broken. The is no opposition to Bush in any way. Dump Repubs, Dump Dems, and find another path. Otherwise there is no future.

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» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: carriejean
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: ad132
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: Sissi_phus
» RE: You Are not Rationally Thinking Posted by: Jeff Hoffman
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: adam21
» RE: Dump The Dems Posted by: wcox
Support the founding of the Social Democratic Party of the USA
Posted by: Frankstank on Nov 17, 2007 3:06 AM   
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It's time: dump the Dems, no more "is it Hillary or is it Obama?" That's a soap opera and not serious politics.

There needs to be an ending to the micing calculation of compromise that destroys change and just causes cynicism and apathy.

A Social Democractic Party of USA would stand for the following:

1) Follow the well laid path set by European social democratic parties
2) Establish a council on design which would begin the process of turning the US back into a country that makes things people want and that has taste and liveable communities
3) Establish minimum social guarantees for all and make sure they are funded (no more huge deficits in social security)
4) End any welfare payments: all must work, study or contribute. No more spending years rotting on benefit. It's a two-way street.

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» That's preposterous Posted by: vox persona
Bush and Cheney, Iraq and Iran
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Nov 17, 2007 3:37 AM   
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The White House’s propaganda campaign laying the groundwork for military action against Iran dates back almost six years—to Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address in which he designated Iran as a founding member of the “axis of evil.” Since then, this drumbeat has waxed and waned as other concerns—primarily the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq—have often commanded center stage. Now, with the Bush administration approaching its final year in office, a renewed push and a shorter fuse are increasingly evident. My 3-minute YouTube video entitled “Forewarned Is Forearmed: Bush On Iran” is available HERE. It offers a very brief but deeply troubling chronicle of the president’s public warmongering and demonization of Iran.

Such manipulation of public sentiment has been a key part of the White House’s entire Iraq war enterprise, so we should not be surprised to see it play a similar role in any military attack on Iran. For those interested in a psychological analysis of this warmongering, I have also recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration’s messaging targets five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. The video describes these warmongering appeals and offers suggestions for how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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» Right on the money. Posted by: Ethics' Boy
The Dick and Bush Show about to end
Posted by: rocketman on Nov 17, 2007 3:56 AM   
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First some of the claims mentioned here -
“Iran is in cahoots with al Qaeda, the demons who crash bombed America on 9/11”. – I never read that so not sure where this is coming from.

“Iran is on the brink of making a nuclear bomb, thus posing an imminent threat to America and to our national interests.” – this claim is from Iran itself. .so while Bush may be prone to fabrication, this isn’t one of those cases.

“Those dastardly Iranians are meddling in our war in Iraq by supplying weapons to our enemies and by sending intelligence agents to undermine Iraq's government” – from the boots on the ground this seems very likely and why would anyone deny it. If we were Iran we’d do the same thing..- Shia, Shite, doesn’t make that much difference when you compare it to the defeat of US policy in the region. We did the same to the Russians in Afghanistan

“”That country's loudmouth, Holocaust-denying president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, makes himself an easy target for Bushite demonization, and all peace-seeking governments must be vigilant toward Iran's potential for belligerence. This requires steady engagement, smart diplomacy, military subtlety, and careful consideration of the complexities embodied within Iran's rich, proud, 6,000-year-old culture.””

Well, then we’d better get a new President fast!

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» RE: About to end ? Posted by: donl51
» RE: About to end ? Posted by: Sissi_phus
I don't know who did this research (citation was missing) but it certainly seems credible:
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 17, 2007 4:11 AM   
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What would you think of a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics:

* 29 have been accused of spousal abuse

* 7 have been arrested for fraud

* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks

* 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

* 3 have done time for assault

* 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting

* 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

* 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year...

Can you guess which organization this is?

It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

(Anybody care to do the research on Bush-Cheney and their appointees?)

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» Old? Posted by: mainspark
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» Tellling statistics Posted by: Knowmad
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» I think it's fabrication Posted by: LeeAnnG
The other side of the coin
Posted by: Missing Piece on Nov 17, 2007 4:36 AM   
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The dollar is on the brink of collapse. Iran and Venzuala are trying to trade oil in Euros. Iran already is trading some oil in Euros and hold no U.S. Dollars in there banks.

If oil is not traded in dollars then the dollar collapses. If we do not militarily secure the last energy rich locations on earth then we are militarily weakened.

That is one side of the coin, and no matter how much you disagree with it, deep down you know that this is America's reality.

Of Course the other side of the coin is to go renewable, conserve and start an electron economy, but that just wouldn't be American now would it.

Good Luck, Google Peak Oil and The Money Changers. and here is what the saudi's had to say about the dollar and oil recently:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/ news?pid=newsarchive&sid=azY26ubt4eqQ

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Boys Who Cried Wolf
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 17, 2007 5:15 AM   
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"The Iranian government regularly allows inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency access to its nuclear facilities, and this UN agency (which is the one that turned out to be right about the lack of WMDs in Iraq) has found no evidence that Iran is trying to make a bomb."

Just before Bush kicked the weapons inspectors out of Iraq he had delayed the hundreds of thousands of ALREADY staged troops for our invasion of Iraq.

Remember that? Those two facts are history.

Then Bush told us that SADDAM kicked the weapons inspectors out of Iraq. He lied to you and me about this.

Then, he got flak from neocons about our troops, who were staged and ready to go but hadn't been ordered to attack. They told him, and you and me heard all about it - that those troops weren't going to just sit idly by and do nothing. So, they told Bush to get the f*ck in and attack. Remember that? That is also part of history.

All of it was a pack of lies. At that point, BushCo hadn't totally taken over the media and all that information was readily available.

Remember! Remember. The boys who cried wolf. Yet you and me had all the facts.

Well, look at the quote at the beginning of this post again. It is from the article. Iran is regularly inspected by a team who knows already that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iran nor do they have a nuclear program. Just like Iraq.

You and me are being LIED to once again. It is an abject lie. We are being drawn once again into a war of Bush's choosing. There is no sense to this unless you choose to believe that Bush is trying, like the madman he has proven himself to be, to usher in Armageddon.

Your elected officials have no backbone to stop Bush. You and me have no power to stop him either.

It is clear and evident: it is too late for the US. The experiment is totally over. G. Washington would turn in his grave. If we're lucky we'll look back (if we're still alive) and see that the BushCo presidency was the pivotal moment in US history. It will be the pivotal point were we fell to defeat as a nation.

Our votes are stolen: electronic voting is a failure. Thus, we have no way to remove these people from office. We have no control over our media, which won't report these issues. Republicans - hypocrites all - won't stand up for truth and real values. They are the most complicit in the lie.

I'm beginning to believe, too, that our blind support for Israel is at the root of this. Why that country must be some sort of shining example for the world is anyone's guess. But I can only assume it's because American fundamentalist Christians think that their god reveres the Levant more than their own country.

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» RE: Boys Who Cried Wolf Posted by: aonghus36
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» The wolves are in the White House Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Boys Who Cried Wolf Posted by: Sissi_phus
The Remedy for These Woes is IMPEACHMENT!
Posted by: aharlib on Nov 17, 2007 5:42 AM   
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Wake up poeple! There is a way to save this country!

Impeach Cheney NOW

Defense of the Constitution Knows No Party


The Bush administration has illegally seized and imprisoned Americans without benefit of their trial by jury, has spied on Americans without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, has lied America into a disastrous war, and has betrayed an American intelligence officer, who was working on weapons of mass destruction networks, to our enemies (Valerie Plame.)

Impeachment hearings against Vice President Dick Cheney are now a distinct possibility, thanks to a recent outpouring of public support for impeachment by Americans across the political spectrum. Your calls and faxes to House Judiciary Committee members are needed to keep up the pressure.

Leave a message for your Congressman, to demand he obey his oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Act now to restore your rights and the rule of law bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, which brave men have died defending throughout our history.

CALL the House Judiciary Committee

202-225-3951 and tell them you want Impeachment hearings NOW!





*What Happened to Make This All Possible?

On November 6, 2007, Rep. Dennis Kucinich brought H.Res.333, for the impeachment of Cheney, to the House Floor for debate. It was broadcast on CSPAN. A sudden outpouring of public support for impeachment forced lawmakers to keep the resolution alive. Democrats, most of whom currently resist demands for impeachment, were unwilling to kill the bill with the public watching. Republicans and some Democrats, mindful of impeachment sentiment, voted to debate the bill, but failed. At the end of the day, Americans of both parties had made it clear whose "table" this is, and that they want to see impeachment on it.



For more information go to
NEImpeach.org

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For Hightower, one plus one makes three?
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 17, 2007 5:50 AM   
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Yes, Podheretz is a wingnut. Yes, Bush gave him a medal. No, that doesn't mean we will attack Iran.

I can only suppose that Hightower wants to be able to take credit for preventing his fantasied attack? How dramatic.

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» --A nony mouse Posted by: Sojourner
Stop the Iran lunacy-here's how
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 17, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Rename it Persia. By the time Bush & Co. figure out where the hell it is his term of office will have expired.

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My greatest fear...
Posted by: djnoll on Nov 17, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Every morning I live in horror that I am going to wake up and hear that during the night, that maniac and his thugs have invaded Iran. Thanks to Congress with their no holds bar military appropriations bill, he has the money to do whatever he wants without supplemental funding until February. By then we could find ourselves so enmeshed in Iran that the funding will be necessary to actually defend ourselves in a world war.

When that happens, I know that martial law is not far behind; that people like those who post here (and myself) will be running for our freedom into hiding; and the American people will become the enemies of every nation on this planet. It will not be just the beginning of WWIII, it will be the end of this nation as we knew it. Our only hope will be a swift, violent overthrow of our own government and a very public trial of BushCo and all its supporters in Congress for the world to see.

I live with that fear every morning as I watch the sun rise. It is what makes me keep writing and thinking and trying to find solutions that can help to rebuild this nation in the future. I also wonder if our children will have the will to take back their country from this insanity when the time comes, and I hope that their parents will lead the way for them.

That is the only fear I have after 9/11. And it is a fear of our own elected government. That is why Bin Laden won on 9/11 - we let BushCo intimidate us into being afraid, but for me at least, it is not Al Qaida I fear, it is George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Condelezza Rice, Robert Gates, and the Congress. I pray that our military will stop following orders from this madman, and find the courage not to face a non-existent enemy, but the real enemy here in DC.

When the military becomes the last line of defense in a country against those elected to govern, we no longer have a democracy. De Tocqueville once wrote that if he had to choose between liberty and equity, he would choose liberty because without it equity was not possible. It is time for us, with the assistance of honorable service men and women, to take back our government and restore our liberty. We no longer have the option of time.

http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com

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» RE: My greatest fear... Posted by: LeaderofMen
Now What?
Posted by: Gilded_Truth on Nov 17, 2007 6:58 AM   
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I just heard this on the msm Friday. Isn't this "new evidence" just fuel for the furnace? Has anyone mentioned this yet? What is your take on this? I've heard it would be 5 years before Iran would have nuclear bomb capability, but this report changes the timetable.

"An official close to the IAEA said the watchdog's inspectors had been able to confirm for the first time Iran's claim that it had 3,000 centrifuges enriching uranium.

That is the number scientists believe is sufficient, in ideal conditions, to produce enough enriched uranium in one year to make a single nuclear bomb.

In the report sent to its 35-member board on Thursday, the IAEA found that Iran had taken important strides in revealing the extent of its nuclear programme.

But it was still defying UN demands that it suspend uranium enrichment and had also refused to sign the so-called Additional Protocol, a key document allowing unrestricted inspections.

That made it difficult for IAEA inspectors to be certain there were no undeclared nuclear activities in Iran, the report complained."

Entire article here:
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem

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» So what Posted by: Rune
need a new 9/11 as a pretext to invade
Posted by: kellysgarden on Nov 17, 2007 7:06 AM   
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There is always a false-flag op used as pretext to start a war. Gulf of Tonkin. Northwoods. Babies in incubators. And, the grandest of history's false-flag ops, 9/11.

Unless Israel starts the war on Iran by attacking first, and then we come to Israel's aid, I assume that we would need an even grander 9/11 to convince the public and congress to go along with Cheney's desires to invade Iran.

I envision a false-flag op against our navy in the Hormuz straights, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin.

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Snopes.com say's
Posted by: donneek on Nov 17, 2007 7:31 AM   
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not true, based on a 1999 article that was not verifiable.

http://www.snopes.com

I searched "Congress" and it was the first listing.

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» RE: Snopes Where? Posted by: astockton
Inevitable
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 17, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Good article in that it neatly ties a bunch together. (And Hightower is always an enjoyable read.)

I will not deny that Bush and Cheney are capable of ANYTHING. Yes, the US will attack Iran. Why? Simply because war is fun -- this would be enough of a provocation for those in charge.
Add to that the Neocons' hubris and the Religious Right's lust for the Apocalypse, never mind the "good vs evil" world-view of the Bushies (Guess which side the US is really on). And war will come, even if Congress gave a damn about saving America -- and it obviously does not.

And with war, people will die, many many innocent people (on all sides of the conflict, including ours). But that won't matter to those that pushed for war.

Bush and Cheney have been emboldened to attack Iran, not only because of the passing of the Kill/Liar-man amendment, but because Congress has done nothing serious to shut down the Iraq war or to hold Bush Admn officials accountable for their war-crimes.
Bush is a spoiled rotten kid, and if he doesn't get to blow something up, he will get real mad.

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» RE: Inevitable : Cheney Too Posted by: QQOblivion
» RE: Inevitable Posted by: Quannah
Enough is enough
Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 17, 2007 8:31 AM   
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There are no words to describe Dick Cheney and George Bush. These men are not villians in a fiction novel or a movie, but are the leaders of this country. The only way that we the people can hold these men accountable for their crimes against this country appears to be impeachment. Must we complete the ruin of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our White House, our Congress, our Supreme Court, our military, our budget, our environment, our future, our children's future? We have a voice as the people of this country and we must use it. We must be persistant in demanding impeachment from our Senators and Representatives. We must be persistant in demanding that impeachment be discussed in the media. There doesn't appear to be anyone or anything out there that can save us but we ourselves. I have never been so frightened or so angry as I am at this point in time. Dennis Kucinich is leading the way and he needs support from us and from his fellow Congressmen and women. The time is now. Enough is enough.

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...why not call it, for what it is...
Posted by: frankly on Nov 17, 2007 9:17 AM   
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....an aipac controlled government, an israeli dictated foreign policy....an economic and monetary system exploited by a transnational elite, that has no allegiance to this country or their citizens, other than to exploit it's human and capital resources for their own gain....a court and legal system dominated by bias,corruption and intentional confusion....a systematic polarisation of the american people (by race, gender, ethnicity, politics, religion and finance)to divide and conquer...a corporate obedient and complicit media, propagating the agenda of deception....a two party system, that is probably the biggest fraud ever perpetrated upon a civilisation.. a congress and senate, whose members are required to proclaim allegiance to israel and zionism, before they are admitted and allowed, to serve the american public... the manipulation and lies to 98% of the american population,who are sacrificing their children in an illegal military invasion and capitalize on this act, by extorting over 1 trillion dollars from the taxpayer's revenues.. the U.S.A., collectivly, are infested by a parasite, that has no qualms about devouring it's own host...senator Mc. Carthy may have been right all along, except that it isn't really communism, that is the enemy within!
...God, help America and it's people...!

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Expected Attack 2 Years Ago
Posted by: vkobaya on Nov 17, 2007 10:21 AM   
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Only trouble with this scenario is the Bush-Cheney hyperbole about Iran was even louder two years ago. I expected the attack then and if I recall, Scott Ritter had predicted the war would start in July. It didn't happen then. Not sure why just as I still can't understand why the Damnocrats are standing still for this with that "impeachment is off the table" bullshit. If Bush-Cheney do go to war with Iran, I think that we should try the whole bunch, not just Bush-Cheney, but Reid, Pelosi, Hillary, Conyers and the rest for treason not only to the nation, but the world and human race. A few like Kucinich, Barbara Lee and one or two others will be exonerated, but the rest of them should spend the rest of their days in dank, cold, brutal prison cells in the general population, not in special, cushy, low-security cells.

As for the suggestion to send Bush a copy of the Constitution, what good would that do? Bush can't read and the only thing he would do is defecate on it then burn it in the bonfire of the White House copy as well as the original from Philadelphia and the laws of the nation on the White House lawn.

And even if Bush-Cheney fail to start the war with Iran, they should be tried and convicted of treason. It's just that the Congressional Damnocrats will be allowed to skate, but not for lack of trying to be traitors and enemies to this nation and the human race. In any event, we need to replace the whole bunch with Democrats who are loyal to the nation and the people of this nation, who are representing the voters, and not their self-serving selves.

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OIL FUTURES HIGHER
Posted by: boblecht on Nov 17, 2007 10:40 AM   
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Oil at $100 per barrel will seem cheap compared to the cost after an attack on Iran. Oil from Iran will stop coming to us and Chavez has made it clear that he will cut off the US from any oil exports from his country if we attack Iran. Other countries may also adopt sanctions against the US by interrupting oil and gas supplies. GW always takes care of his own. $200+ per barrel oil will further endear him and old Buckshot to their well oiled base.
"Government of the people by the corporations and for the corporations is not Democracy--it is Fascism."

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Whether it's US bombs or Isreali bombs, They are the same.
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 17, 2007 10:48 AM   
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Isreal already bombed Syria a month or so ago.But the media made light of it. SO watch Israel they will be Bush's excuse to engage in the alleged want to bomb Iran.

You have to really WONDER THOUGH a nuclear bomb with no viably affective deliver systems is meaningless. Our "homeland" is not treatened by any nuclear bomb if it was a reality. And Israel, well, don't confuse jewdism with Israeli fanatics and there zionist mind sets. As bigots themselves they have no concern with democracy. Which is self evident by their empire building of their own. WWII has nothing to do with their reasoning. They are as guilty as the natzies in their ways of treating Palastinians.

Hell, Israel and Pakistan and India have the bomb. Iran woundn't have a snow balls chance in hell to with stand any nuclear event.
So it doesn't even make any sense what so ever to use Stopping Iran form any alleged nuclear efforts.

OIL is the prize, but to nuke would completely undermine oil extraction efforts any way. So I just can't see any logic to the Nuke Ideal. But of course, remember that "sabber rattling" before the Iraq invasion where as the media presented to MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs. What a rediculous Propaganda presentation, as if no one could see through the BS)?

The only way to put the stop on these "Ice holes" is to impeach Cheney, then Bush AND Pelosi !

Pelosi, I heard yesterday said she'd "put Impeachment back on the table if she got 10,000 hand writen Impeachment support letters.
START WRITTING THEM EVERYONE!

BUT,
I say RECALL Pelosi and Feinstein for their supporting the Bush regime, not fulfilling their commitments as to why they were voted in. The people have been betrayed by these two in oh so many ways.

Though I have concerns that if Bush and Cheney where impeached, next in line for the "roll" of President is the Speaker of the House.
here is the linch pin of the whole problem.

So I ask all you why is Pelosi not on your list of Bushites to be removed from their office? She has put this whole effort off to a last resort. Where I believe going to War is suppose to be the last resort.

The nation can not begin to return to a democracy until the the Contitution is revalidated by enacting the peoples demand to impeach the ones responsible for the complete disruption of national and international disharmony around the world. Especially being that 911 was an inside job.

Yet if it wasn't way not reveal the truth?

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The Bilderberg Group and Rockefeller, Bush, Cheney, Want War..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 17, 2007 11:42 AM   
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Bush and Cheney and The Bilderberg Group want War a huge endless War with Trillions spent and millions upon millions dead..!


The attack upon Iran will launch the huge War David Rockefeller wants...!


Hillary wants this War too..!


They're all fascist swine...!

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I Seriously Doubt It
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Nov 17, 2007 12:15 PM   
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this is really sensationalism and a bit of rorschach tossed in for good measure.

the US gave up the doctrine of a 3 front war during the Clinton years. this was replaced with a neo-blitzkrieg style approach to military operations. hit hard, fast, with minimal troops and maximum support. secure with allies within the UN, then turn over to the multinational effort.

of course, the batch of chickenhawks in the oval office scoff at the UN and allies (well except for 11 troops form nicarauga and the like)tried to revive on the fly the old 3 front doctrine of the US capable of sustaining 3 fronts in assaults and hasty defences. which of course, hasn't worked worth a damn considering we're in a 3 front campaign--afghanistan, iraq, and north korea and all 3 going miserably, though i suppose NK in detente rates a passable score; yes, i realise NK doesn't have the sex appeal with embedded reporters and the like, but make no mistake, it is a front line.

there's no way in HELL we could open a 4th front in iran. we're not talking that piddly republican guard held in check by fear and lashings from the top officer corps. we're talking a dedicated, modern, and battle tested force with actual PLANs for attack and counterattack.

now, if i'm wrong and that idiot and his puppetmaster completely ignore even the most lipservice paying toadie general who knows we can't open a 4th front and tells them so, i'll berloody well...hell, i don't know what i'll do.

wait, i do know. emmigrate to whatever country will take me as political refugee; i understand they need tech support in lagos nigeria...

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» RE: I Seriously Doubt It--Caveat Posted by: apophenia_monkey
Be brave. Be loud. Your country needs you
Posted by: Vinote on Nov 17, 2007 12:39 PM   
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Be brave. Be loud. The world needs you!

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I fear for the lot of us...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Nov 17, 2007 1:03 PM   
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Far too many comments here are concerned with what something like this will do to the bloody price of gasoline! GASOLINE? We will be adding millions more people to the horrors and suffering of war, turning the bereaved survivors into haters of anything American for generations to come and our main concern is how it will effect our comfort? There is a moral disconnect in this country that kind of deserves the stupid "leaders" we now have and most likely will elect again... ever listened to Hilary or Barack? These are no peacemakers, let me tell you that and they are by far the leading candidates. I feel that at heart, most people here really believe that we somehow deserve to live better than anyone else on the planet and that all the suffering in the "third" world has nothing whatsoever to do with our demand for affordable kush.

There are enormous disasters coming, ecological and humanitarian that we can avoid if we get up off our fat asses and ACT and but I doubt we will because we might miss the latest episode of our favorite TV series or "the GAME" or some such crap.

When people can read of or see an ecodisaster like the one that just happened in the Black Sea or San Francisco Bay and act like that has nothing to do with them, then those people are on the road to extinction because they no longer recognize that they are living beings, a part of everything else alive and dependent on that diversity remaining intact to go on as a viable species.

We are tearing great holes in the fabric of life that has brought us forth... we are allowing so called "leaders, "like "Shotgun Dick" and the bozo, to make us collectively responsible for THEIR actions... we could stop using oil for fuel tommorrow if we would find the will and the balls to tough it out while we build a new ifrastructure, but we won't. We lack the character.Plus, there is always some credentialed