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War on Iraq

Only a U.S. Withdrawal Will Stop Al Qaeda in Iraq

By Raed Jarrar and Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted October 5, 2007.


The conventional wisdom has it all wrong.
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One of the last justifications for continuing the U.S. occupation of Iraq despite overwhelming opposition from Iraqis, Americans and the rest of humanity has come down to this: U.S. forces must remain in order to battle "al Qaeda in Iraq."

Like so many of the arguments presented in the United States, the idea is not only intellectually bankrupt, it's also the 180-degree opposite of reality. The truth of the matter is that only the presence of U.S. forces allows the group called "al Qaeda in Iraq" (AQI) to survive and function, and setting a timetable for the occupation to end is the best way to beat them. You won't hear that perspective in Washington, but according to Iraqis with whom we spoke, it is the conventional wisdom in much of the country.

The Bush administration has made much of what it calls "progress" in the Sunni-dominated provinces of central Iraq. But when we spoke to leaders there, the message we got was very different from what supporters of a long-term occupation claim: Many Sunnis are, indeed, lined up against groups like AQI, but that doesn't mean they are "joining" with coalition forces or throwing their support behind the Iraqi government.

Several sources we reached in the Sunni community agreed that AQI, a predominantly Sunni insurgent group that did not exist prior to the U.S. invasion -- it started in 2005 -- will not exist for long after coalition forces depart. AQI is universally detested by large majorities of Iraqis of all ethnic and sectarian backgrounds because of its fundamentalist interpretation of religious law and efforts to set up a separate Sunni state, and its only support -- and it obviously does enjoy some support -- is based solely on its opposition to the deeply unpopular U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.

We spoke by phone with Qasim Al-jumaili, a former member of Falluja's City Council, who was confident that his local militias would eliminate Al Qaeda in Iraq from Fallujah if U.S. forces were to withdraw. "The U.S. presence is making our work harder," he said. "For example, the Anbar Salvation Front [the Sunni tribal leadership group that declared war against Al Qaeda in Iraq], is not getting a lot of public support because they think we're collaborating with the U.S. and the Al-Maliki government."

Al Jumaili was confident that Iraqis wouldn't tolerate Al Qaeda in Iraq's presence in an independent Iraq. "If the U.S. was to pull out from Iraq and let Iraqis have a national government instead of the puppet one now, Iraqis with their government and tribal leaders would quickly eliminate Al Qaeda from all Iraq," he said. It's a credible statement -- most estimates of the terror group's strength suggest its membership is in the low thousands, no match for the larger organized militias or the fledgling security forces without the support of some of the residents of the areas in which they operate.

Contrary to the neat media narrative of a unified "Sunni" leadership that has turned on AQI and joined with the Americans -- a narrative wholly fabricated by the White House and repeated without skepticism by most of the traditional media -- the Sunni community in Iraq is fragmented and divided by a variety of shifting loyalties and interests. Canadian journalist Patrick Graham, who spent a year with Sunni militias, wrote of the "Anbar Awakening":

… It is still a shaky union, a desperate marriage of convenience based on shared enemies: Iran, and the Sunnis' former-friend-turned-foe Al Qaeda. Many of America's new allies are former insurgents and Saddam Hussein loyalists (Saddam was a Sunni) who only a short while ago were routinely called terrorists, "anti-Iraqi fighters," and "Baathist dead-enders." They are suspicious of one another and strongly anti-American, although willing to work, for the moment, with the U.S.

Iraq's Sunnis are divided; while there's a dramatic backlash against the AQI, the group receives its support from within the community. But according to Sunni leaders with whom we spoke, there won't be a unified opposition to the terror group as long as U.S. forces remain in the country.

MN, a leader of a local "social committee" in Fallujah who would only speak anonymously for security reasons, said of the emerging Sunni resistance to AQI: "I'll join them as soon as they cut their ties to the occupiers." Although opposed to AQI, he told us he would never join the fight against AQI as long as it is associated with the U.S.-led occupation.

One of the central tenets of counter-insurgency is that a small group of active fighters can be a powerful force of opposition, but only if they have at least the passive support of the populace. The second the United States commits to a complete withdrawal of its forces, Al Qaeda in Iraq will become a pariah organization and its members will be killed, if they're lucky, or captured if they're not.


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Raed Jarrar is Iraq consultant to the American Friends Service Committee. He blogs at Raed in the Middle. Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer and editor.

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Iraq: a US blunder of potentially biblical proportions
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 5, 2007 1:20 AM   
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Let's recap: We have the first 'Enron presidency' who snuck into office by a 5-4 vote by a partisan Supreme Court who stopped the determination of voter intent and annointed the winner, all the while campaigning against nation building, promising a 'humble foreign policy' and declaring that the US cannot be the world's policeman. Then after a convenient (for him) attack, which was totally preventable, using available intel, and carried out by Saudi nationals, he declares a 'war on terror' (about as constitutional as a 'war on ambush'), he seizes wartime powers, plus powers not constitutionally available (see Article II), then launches a real war on a country unrelated to the attack. The tyrant Saddam would have never tolerated Al Qaeda, as it would have been a threat to him. Could you imagine anyone walking around Saddam's Iraq with so much as a pistol in view? They would have disappeared. Bush destroyed a country with his 'shock and awe', a synonym for terrorism if I ever heard one. The huge ammo dumps went unguarded, is that where many roadside bombs came from? The museums were looted, but at least the oil ministries were protected. The no bid contracts, the war profiteering, the shrink wrapped truck sized packets of hundred dollar bills that went up in smoke, the hundreds of thousands of weapons that went missing, the mercenary armies, the nightmare goes on and on and is seemingly endless. I can't seem to wake up. Is this really happening? Now the neocons push to widen the war into Iran. I accuse every member of this administration complicit in this travesty of a tragedy, from Colin Powell the Enabler right on down....starting with Darth Cheney. Now we find out that with a combination of executive orders and signing statements putting martial law ducks in a row, we are just one large explosion of finding out what Cheney is really up to.

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EastAsia, Eurasia the cycle continues.
Posted by: ErHoff on Oct 5, 2007 1:57 AM   
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Nobody in the Cheney Bush Crime Syndicate wants to end our elusive and illusive war on terror: why stop the most profitable action in history. The NeoCon war machine has done what others have tried and failed to do: destroy our America, and make great profits while doing it. Having endless enemies to fear like EastAsia and Eurasia, or Al Qaeda means reason never makes the light of day. Scare the ignorant masses, shock them, and they will send their kids to die, and sell short their country's resources just so the top two percent can steal obscene wealth. The only hope is to ban fear from your life and begin to stand up to enemies domestic, not foreign.

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Conventional Wisdom......?
Posted by: Captainmagic on Oct 5, 2007 2:42 AM   
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Joshua would I lose $100 if I bet that conventional wisdom is not taught at West Point?

Would I also win $100 if I bet that the Iraqi peoples are using conventional wisdom to defeat the parasite that rests on the back of their motherland?

A penny for your thoughts.

Regards Captain

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To be precise....
Posted by: Captainmagic on Oct 5, 2007 2:51 AM   
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"Only A US Withdrawal Will Stop Them Getting At The Oil In Iraq"

...WTF has AQI got to do with the price of eggs...

Captain OUT

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The "stupid" war!
Posted by: rocketman on Oct 5, 2007 2:56 AM   
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"setting a timetable for the occupation to end is the best way to beat them. You won't hear that perspective in Washington, but according to Iraqis with whom we spoke, it is the conventional wisdom in much of the country"

First, Iraq and Bush will go down in history as the worst war and worst president in modern times - no doubt!

But, aren't we SUPPOSED to be going after Al Qeada instead of prancing around in Iraq where we have no business. Why on earth would we run in the face of their presence!

We should be going after them where ever we find them. Running would embolden every radical group as it would correctly appear the US will not defend itself.

Iraq was/is the stupid war..Al Qeada isnt - which is why you'll never hear that in Washington.

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» RE: The "stupid" war!..not war Posted by: Captainmagic
» Conspiracy, Conspiracy, Conspiracy Posted by: ray burchard
» RE: The "stupid" war!Al Qeada Posted by: sasquuatch55
The Screwed up Country
Posted by: michaelsview on Oct 5, 2007 4:14 AM   
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I bet that Osama is already dead in a mountain cave someplace.

Bush and Cheney are going to BS the country and do what ever they WANT to do, which for the last 6 years they've done.

And the war is another vietnam, history repeats itself, so this means probably another 5000 + of our american service men and woman will die.

Pay raises for the military are non existent, should I go on?

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Only the Truth Will End U.S. Occupation of Iraq
Posted by: Tim Brown on Oct 5, 2007 5:48 AM   
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We are not in Iraq for "democracy"; we are not there to defeat terrorism; we are not there to stop civil war. U.S. forces are in Iraq to control the oil. Period. It appears that the Democratic leadership is not brave enough - or smart enough - to admit this fundamental truth about our occupation. And by accepting the neocons' false premise they tie their own hands.

If the Democratic leadership is truly interested in ending this occupation then they need to keep repeating the mantra "It's about the oil, stupid." Only then can we have a discussion about the real issues - should U.S. troops fight and die to protect Exxon Mobile? Should nearly a trillion of our tax dollars go to secure BPs bottom line? Should the Bush Administration be allowed to use American citizens to keep their Saudi friends in control of oil prices?

These are uncomfortable questions for the Bush Administration to have to answer. Once people begin to accept that the occupation is about oil it will lead to other uncomfortable discussions about why we continue to lock ourselves to oil as our primary fuel and why no real attempt is being made to look for alternative sources. That's why the neocons have done their damnedest to keep the focus on false arguments.

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"Al Qaeda in Iraq" or elsewhere is hollow deception
Posted by: stryder on Oct 5, 2007 5:51 AM   
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It has been so since “Al Qaeda” was created and funded by western as well as Saudi elites (via CIA, ISI and other fronts). To resell the idea that “Al Qaeda” is a native Mid East or Eurasian threat would be deceitful establishment propaganda.

There is no credible intelligence anything like a real “Al Qaeda” group was ever in Iraq or anywhere else.

Such a story is as big a sham as WMD and all the rest.

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» It is what it is ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: It is what it is ... Posted by: leafsong1
They're all the same
Posted by: Axiom69 on Oct 5, 2007 6:11 AM   
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Does anyone really think a Democrat in the Oval office with a Democratic Congress will stop the war in Iraq? All it will mean is that the money will start going into someone elses pockets. The Republicans had their turn at the buffet now it's the Democrats turn. Buisness as usual, status quo.
How does a Republican President accomplish ANYTHING with a Democrat majority in the House AND Senate? Easy, it's an investment. The Democrats allow the President to do what he wishes for the rest of his term and when it's their turn the Republicans return the favor. The Republicans will put forth all the usual public objections but behind closed doors both parties will be toasting each other and comparing off shore bank accounts.

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» RE: They're all the same Posted by: StPeteRican
» RE: They're all the same Posted by: willymack
Ron Paul will end the war
Posted by: MrX on Oct 5, 2007 6:19 AM   
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If you wanted to end the war by voting for Ron Paul in New York or New Hampshire, you only have until 10/12/2007 to register as a Republican to vote for him.

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries

I believe the biggest threat to Americans right now, is not terrorists, but the Patriot Act.

Please listen to Judge Andrew Napolitano - author of "Nation of Sheep" on the David Allen Show.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/
Judge_Napolitano_s_brilliant_endorsement_of_Ron_Paul

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» RE: on Paul will end the war Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: on Paul will end the war Posted by: channing
» RE: on Paul will end the war Posted by: sasquuatch55
The war has ended, occupation won't even if the AlterNet can't see it
Posted by: ray burchard on Oct 5, 2007 6:25 AM   
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No doubt about the fact that corporate greed was the inspiration for Bush/Cheney’s Iraqi oil plunder. But that was then and this is now and all we hear from the Muslim world is how the basic tenets of the Koran represent justice, equality, self-discipline and charity. Yeah right, then we see in actuality how their antiquated tribal mentality of distrust and disrespect creating a cognitive mindset of suspicion where everything is a conspiracy justifying doctrines like “Death to all Infidels”. Obviously an “infidel” is anyone but yourself, as demonstrated by the (justice, equality, self-discipline and charity) in which is applied to their gender and secular diversity.

“All we want is for America to leave our land so we can return to our sacred ways” would those “sacred ways” be exampled by the continual internal warring to become either the oppressed or the oppressor, and again demonstrate tenets of (justice, equality, self-discipline and charity), right.

Nobody cares if the Muslim world wants to live like a hermit and do what they want behind the closed doors of obscurity. But its not obscurity when you have your hand on the throttle of the rest of the world’s road to progress, and when you use the financial gain from this control to develop and/or buy access to nuclear weapons. Come on we’re all not stupid, the Muslim world has aptly demonstrated their willingness forfeit their own as well as other innocent lives for domination, ie suicide bombings.

Come on Islam, through mysticism or reality recognize the obvious truth, this is the future and its not going away just because you don’t like it, adapt.
Or just like the favored, but antiquated, American Indians, either adapt (change) or go extinct. Darwin’s evolution is a reality, like it or not, this is not my opinion, this is the worlds reality of which you are apart of, not apart from.

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time is on myside yes it is
Posted by: solrev on Oct 5, 2007 7:01 AM   
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If we were to leave before the job is done, chaos could ensue, innocent people would lose their life, extremists would be emboldened … the countries of the Middle East would be endangered, and that would cause America to be endangered, as well.
This is the same argument “we broke it we have to fix it”, that the status quo ho is going to use to continue the occupation if elected. What are the globalists trying to accomplish with the invasion and occupation of Iraq? It was predictable that Islamic fundamentalists would come out of the woodwork like cockroaches when Iraq was invaded. It is just as predictable that Islamic nationalists will come out of the woodwork like cockroaches if an additional invasion of Iran occurs. Nationalists every where are the enemies of the globalists, is that the goal a globalist nationalist war in the Middle East that can be drawn out for a decade? Why are the globalists buying time?

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» RE: time is on myside yes it is Why? Posted by: sasquuatch55
Conspiracy, Conspiracy, Conspiracy
Posted by: ray burchard on Oct 5, 2007 7:24 AM   
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solrev,

When does heuristic evolution stop becoming "Globalization", when we ameliorate corporate America's form of capitalism (unbridled greed) with governmental control and oversight.

First step is to remove corporate influence through campaign financing (corporate lobbying). Corporations already have a say in America's direction through their own principles right to vote. Corporate lobbying just biases the process by allowing "double dipping".

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Before the Flood..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 5, 2007 8:21 AM   
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This is largely true an irony that if we stay in Iraq al-Qaeda then will have some support within Iraq..

Once we're gone the Iraqi's as they don't share well, will make quick work of any and all al-Qaeda and then each other as is record..

As for The Biblical aspects of this endeavor I believe this is true and it will be our ruin and downfall just read Revelation and The Book of Daniel and you'll know what's coming for us in Iraq and with the ill conceived attack upon Iran..!

The flood gates will be opened, the Euphrates will burst it's banks and run dry..

Ask yourself what was the first weapon of mass destruction and trace the Euphrates to it's source and which Dam may be opened..

I have written in detail of this to the Pentagon and Senators but they will take heed of the Bible or the hydrology of the region..!

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IRAQ 4EVER!!
Posted by: MAD on Oct 5, 2007 9:33 AM   
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Only getting off your lazy, complacent asses will force a withdrawal. Bwaaaaahhhhh!! Sorry, I sometimes forget that we're talking about Americans. I guess we're in for the long haul.

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» RE: IRAQ 4EVER!! Posted by: MAD
Lots of blather, but the war will end
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 5, 2007 9:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's the economy stupid! Remember that quote? With a meltdown of the financial system, nobody is going to be thinking about Iraq. We'll simply walk out and never come back.

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Flag
Posted by: diarmaid on Oct 5, 2007 9:49 AM   
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You should convince this type of guys that attacking Iran is insanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nONjlZ8YMkA

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The time for discussion is over
Posted by: Rathan47 on Oct 5, 2007 10:16 AM   
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Now is a time for action. A time for the brave men and women who are the fabric, the backbone of America to stand up and reclaim the land that is yours. No matter what your race, your language, your sex, or your economic status, stand up! You matter! Your opinion matters! Your family matters! Your life matters!

The time has come to stop living in a country that you no longer recognize. Stand up and with the power of your voice cry out your indignation at how the few have distorted the will of the many!

Stand up and fight for the men and women who are dying overseas in your name. Demand their safe and swift return.

Stand up for your rights as a citizen. And not only your rights, but the rights of every other man, woman and child around you. Because today it may be they who are mistreated and abused, but tomorrow it may be you.

Stand up and demand better of your politicians who commit atrocities in your name! Show the world the true meaning of what it is to live as a free American, in a actual, honest, respectful Democracy. Use the power that so many people have died to give you! Use your voice! Speak freely and loudly!

Stand and face the world and show them the proud humility and honor that is the American Spirit. Show them the strength it takes to admit a mistake and try to make amends. Show the world just what it really means to be an American!

Your world, our world, will never be what we want it to be if we don't take action. Not next year, or next month. Not even next week, or tomorrow. Today. Today is the day.

Take 15 minutes today and call or write one of the elected officials who represent you. Tell them briefly what you want them to do. Because that is why they are in office. To do what you tell them to do! And warn them that if they don't, you will never vote for them again!

And then tomorrow, do it again. And again the next day. And again the next. Do a different elected official each day and make sure they all know how you feel and what you plan to do about it.

Fifteen minutes. That's all it would take.

Fifteen minutes a day to change the world.

Would you spend fifteen minutes a day if you knew if could save your child from pain or suffering? Your father? Your mother? Your sister or brother? Your best friend?

Would you take fifteen minutes to save yourself?

Is that too much to ask?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."

The Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

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» RE: The time for discussion is over Posted by: sasquuatch55
After all these years
Posted by: Gaubladt on Oct 5, 2007 10:31 AM   
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After all these years building an Iraqi armed force, why doesn't the Iraqi army have an air force, or navy. Or, atleast a fleet of Humvees? The reason is administrative incompetance on the part of the Republicans in power here in the US. This is what Iraq needs to become independant; they need a way to secure their territory from others who would take their oil reserves for themselves. They also need a strong army that they can be proud of.

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Pippi
Posted by: Pippi on Oct 5, 2007 11:12 AM   
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Why would Representative Waxman expect the Bush administration to mount a "serious effort regarding corruption within the Maliki government," when they have done nothing about corruption within our own government? The Bush administration seems to thrive in an environment of corruption.

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PULL OUT??!!
Posted by: Crazy H on Oct 5, 2007 1:00 PM   
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"Pull OUT??!! That doesn't sound manly to me! Leave it in there, get the job done!

... isn't that basically what we're doing to all those people anyway?"

- - - - George Carlin, circa 1971.

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politicans are a reflection of us
Posted by: researcher on Oct 5, 2007 1:09 PM   
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until we americans come to terms with the one of the best kept secrets in the world and that is that in a republic and maybe even in society politicians are but a reflection of those they represent.


bush and co represent the american people and the american people have been conditioned to be imperialists. in one century americans have moved from being isolationists to imperialists.

this is the power of captialism expecially unchecked captialism brought on the the neo con god reagan.

think the iraqis are really for a democracy?

americans cannot handle a democracy why do we think the iraqis can?

why has the media in ameria not called us imperialists? because they are the imperialist just like bush and congress.

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to the DeeDeeDee President.....
Posted by: eosrk on Oct 5, 2007 7:38 PM   
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....uuhhh, did Saddam did just the same thing you failed to to, and until he was invaded, al-Qadia had no base of anything in Iraq........deedeedee!

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1.3 billion people shall not be subjugated by the heirs of Genghis Khan
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 7, 2007 8:26 PM   
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"Be patient now, my soul; thou hast endured much worse than this.”

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