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War on Iraq

Four Myths Government and Media Use to Scare Us About 'Dictators'

By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted October 2, 2007.


Fog Facts: The Bush White House calls Iran's President Ahmadinejad a "dictator" when he isn't -- part of scaring the public into thinking preemptive war is a good thing.
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We have a basic mythology: Appeasement of dictators leads to war. The historical basis for this narrative is the "appeasement" of Hitler at Munich. It encouraged him to believe the democracies -- and the Soviets -- were weak and would not oppose him. That led him to attempt more conquests and engulfed us all in the Second World War.

If the other countries had stood up to him right away, the theory goes, he would have backed down. If he hadn't, they would have gone to war and nipped him in the bud, thereby preventing WWII, the Holocaust, the deaths of 60 million and all the rest of the horrors.

Now we are floating the story that Mahmoud Ahmenajad is a dictator (the new, new Hitler, after Saddam Hussein). If we "appease" him, it will only encourage him and that will engulf us in World War Three.

If we accept the myth as a gospel truth that should guide our political and military lives, and accept that description as true, it makes good sense -- it is even necessary -- to start another preventive war, like the one in Iraq, to stop him now! Let us examine the facts.

Fog Fact No. 1: The president of Iran is not a dictator.

He is not even the most powerful person in Iran.

The position of president used to be a figurehead, but recently it was combined with that of prime minister and now has much real power. However, he does not control the army and the intelligence and security services. He does not have the power to go to war.

The president is elected by direct popular vote. There have been five so far. None has served more than two terms. Ahmenajad is in his first term. His previous office was as mayor of Tehran. He is a loud mouth, jingoistic conservative, rather like -- dare we say it? -- the current incarnation of Rudolph Giuliani in his run for U.S. president.

The best way to grasp how Iran is governed is to take its name quite literally: The Islamic Republic of Iran. It is a theocracy, but within the bounds of that -- which are fairly strict bounds -- it is run by elected officials.

The man at the top is called the supreme leader. His constitutional title is "Leader of the Revolution."

The supreme leader is commander-in-chief, with control of the army and the intelligence and security services. He can make the decision to go to war. He has a great many additional powers, including control of the state radio and television networks.

The supreme leader is elected -- and can be dismissed -- by the Assembly of Experts. This is an 86-member congress. They, in turn, are directly elected by popular vote, but must be Mujtahids, Islamic scholars qualified to practice Islamic law.

The way all this is kept under proper Islamic Revolutionary control is that all candidates for everything have to be approved before they can get on the ballot by the Council of Guardians.

There are 12 members. Half are appointed by the supreme leader. The other half are elected by the Iranian parliament from a list supplied by the head of judiciary (who is named by the supreme leader). They are all clerics and scholars of Islamic law. In sum, it is a republic, with many checks and balances, and real elections within theocratic limits. Everybody in government has to be a respectably devout Muslim, with the exception that of the 290 members of parliament there are five representatives from the recognized minority religions (two Armenian Christian, one Chaldean/Assyrian Catholic, one Jewish, one Zoroastrian).

An Iranian, or some other opponent of the United States, might claim that the cost of running for office here creates a de facto council of the wealthy that vets all candidates, excluding anyone who would work against their interests. They might also note that the elected members of the U.S. federal government are 93 percent Christian (including Catholics and Mormons), 7 percent Jewish, with a single Muslim, no pantheists and no atheists, almost a religious mirror image, of the makeup of the Iranian political class.

Fog Fact No. 2: The "appeasement" in the myth is very specific and rather narrow.

It refers to one country taking over the territory -- or the whole -- of another country. Then the world allowing that to stand. In 1938, Germany under Hitler annexed Austria. Hitler had already remilitarized the Rhineland -- which was supposed to be a demilitarized zone protecting France -- and taken over the Saar, a small area rich with coal and iron. Then he took over the Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Its population, which was over 80 percent ethnically German, desired the annexation. However, it contained most of Czechoslovakia's defenses against Germany, which meant that if Germany wanted to take the rest, it would be able to so at will.


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Larry Beinhart is the author of "Wag the Dog," "The Librarian," and "Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin." All available at nationbooks.org.

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Thanks for the tutorial, Larry
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 2, 2007 12:51 AM   
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It was informative and concise, and contains easy to digest history as well as an Iran civics lesson. We've done the Persian people no favors, whether it's installing and propping up the Shah (secret police, etc), then we supported the tyrant Saddam in his war with Iran in the name of a twisted sense of geopolitical balance. People are people everywhere, even though we have varying spiritual views and political sensibilities. Other nations are not just failed attempts at being us.
What I regret is:
1) that we've allowed the nucular genie out of the bottle, thereby creating potential devastating consequences by unstable states with malicious intent, and
b) that we've allowed ourselves through the process of unrestrained capitalism a national dependency of fossil fuels, to the point of contriving wars to secure resources (seemingly a war crime in itself). Real leadership would have been to assemble our finest minds in the name of national security, like a modern day Apollo Program, and work until we improved the internal combustion engine or replace it with a clean, non-polluting power source. Then we wouldn't be in a part of the world where we simply don't belong. Then we could license resulting technologies to create entire new in-house industries, creating jobs, helping the environment, improving our health through minimizing pollutants, the list of benefits goes on and on. Am I dreaming? You bet. Am I a utopianist? Guilty. The internal combustion engine is going to lead to the eradication of this planet's dominant speciec....mammals; namely homo sapiens. Probably more through wars and such rather than pollution/global warming and such. Reagan screwed up by decimating all of Carter's alternative energy initiatives.
So now we create boogeymen, contrive pretexts, and establish a permanent state of war based on lies and deceptions. If our boy emperor attacks Iran, I am thoroughly convinced he means to single-handedly bring on his precious end times. Peace out.

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Dictators?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 2, 2007 4:11 AM   
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What about the one we have right here in the good ol' U S of A? Remember a few years back he stated that things would be better for him is this country was a dictatorship and (if) he were the dictator? Well, guess what, folks? We've got something so close to a fascist dictatorship, now that for all intents and purposes that's what it is. We have a half-witted thug as figurehead president (as with Iran, for instance), with the REAL power vested in the VP's office and others more obscure. Our constitutional guarantees have been watered down and are under constant attack. Our enviornment is being trashed by unregulated, greedy scoundrels. Our people are being ignored as if the opinion of a very large majority is of no consequence. The "Democrats" we voted into office to turn things around were quickly absorbed (maybe by previous agreement), and are now part of the most undemocratic regime this country has ever seen. Maybe we should look to take out the trash right here before starting on others,huh?

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» RE: Dictators? Posted by: Cathyc
Lee Bollinger epitomizes Amerikan hypocrisy
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 2, 2007 5:34 AM   
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Lee Bollinger introducing Amerika's favorite dictator Musharraf:
"Rarely do we have an opportunity such as this to greet a figure of such central and global importance. It is with great gratitude and excitement that I welcome President Musharraf and his wife, Sehbah Musharraf, to Columbia University. ...

We at Columbia are eager to listen. As a community of scholars and as students and faculty who come from everywhere in the world, we take a great scholarly and personal interest in what the President has to say. The development in Pakistan over the past several years, from its economic growth to its fight against extremism and terrorism, are vital issues for all of us. Mr. President, as you share your thoughts and insights you will give our students, the leaders of tomorrow, first-hand knowledge of the world their generation will inherit."

What say you Amerika? Still think Bolliner the hypocrite is a man of courage?

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The pot calls the kettle black
Posted by: Dawn L on Oct 2, 2007 5:37 AM   
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Isn't it fascinating, the way our current administration seems able to rationalize on the basis of 'don't do what I do, do what I say'?

If a nation is run by a corrupt dictator and his equally corrupt bunch of cohorts, if it represents a possible nuclear (or WMD) threat to others, shows a blatant disregard for human rights and plunders the resources of its own country and her people, that is a bad, bad thing and has to be rectified ... if necessary, by invading with massive armed force and killing indiscriminately until the balance of power has been altered.

Unless, of course, that country happens to be the good ole U.S. of A ... then it's just business as usual and it's fine because God is on our side.

No wonder Jesus wept!

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Iran
Posted by: robchapman on Oct 2, 2007 5:38 AM   
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A mistake that the Bush Administration has repeatedly made in its foreign policy is to confuse other nation's pursuit of their self interest as a threat to the US.

It should be clear that Iran is the regional collosus and that without outside intervention would dominate the Persian Gulf.

This would be unremarkable were the world's largest oil reserves under and on the fringes of that same Gulf.

Iran has recognized that oil dependence is stunting its economic growth and has undertaken a nuclear power program to provide energy for their economic and industrial development.

This will allow them to sell their oil to gain the capital needed for economic purposes.

The US and EU have considerable leverage with Iran if the Iranians are able to continue their development.

Conversely, if a credible military threat is posed to Iran's territory or regime, they will devote resources to weaponry.

Whatever their course, Iran will remain the collosus of the Persian Gulf and will always have strategic importance.

Therefore, US policy is at a crossroads: to escalate our military pressure against them and assure that the Gulf and all the oil producing states around it descend into the chaos of general war or, to pursue effective multilateral trade and commercial measures intent on leading Iran toward peaceful development.

The Bush Administration rejects multi-lateralism because it means that the US is unable to dictate policy. We can no longer afford this arrogant and ineffective approach. The quagmire of Iraq, with the concomitant ratcheting up of oil prices is the only outcome possible for continuation of the Bush approach.

Imagine the effect on oil prices if Iran, another major oil producer, is embroiled in war. It is a lock that such a war would spread and embroil Saudi Arabia and the Emirates as well. Are we prepared to face oil prices over $120 a barrel, if it is available at all?

The Bush policy of agression toward Iran is unsustainable militarily, economically and diplomatically. Opening a war against Iran will require the complete curtailment of civil liberty in the US as all dissenting voices will necessarily be silenced to gin up support for the troops on the killing fields.

With the economic shambles that will result from the disruption of energy supplies, the US will lose its pre-eminence and be unable to assist the reconstruction of Iran in any meaningful way.

Other countries will assist and a new and powerful coalition will develop there. We can be assured that this new coalition will be bitterly anti-American.

Entering a war against Iran is entering a war we cannot win.

A war that will have the destructive effect on our society that Afghanistan had on the Soviets.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: Iran....accurate Posted by: Captainmagic
» RE: Iran Posted by: bravegirl68
» RE: Iran Posted by: bigjackjj
Thomas Jefferson said:
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 2, 2007 6:17 AM   
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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility for every tyranny over the mind of man..!"

That says it all for me..any Dictator any Tyranny..here or elsewhere..

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» RE: Thomas Jefferson said: Posted by: Badger1492
Unbelievable!
Posted by: Knowmad on Oct 2, 2007 6:22 AM   
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Here's the thing that, to me, truly demonstrates the immoral idiocy of the cheney/bush/corporate/neocon disease-in-control:

They're essentially doing all this unconscionable Iraq/Iran manipulation to gain and maintain control over the very substance that everyone with more than two brain cells knows is poisoning and killing off the very life of the planet - including the human species, their own future families.

Do they actually think that the rest of us are going to allow them to choke everything to death much longer? This is why they're doomed to eventual failure, as all their silly evil plots are based on the false premise that they're untouchable. Their complicit politicians of both stripes pretend to care, and act out pantomines of 'saving' everyone. They just don't seem to realise that the rest of the world will not simply sit back and allow this rape and pillage to continue once they are really impacted - and the impacts are starting already.

That said, these obscene fools have already done and are still doing far too much longlasting damage to our world, and must be stopped before they realise their little scheme won't work, and they then scrabble around for another means to feed their comic book obsessions. Newcueler anyone?
~

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» RE: Unbelievable! Posted by: solrev
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Dictator Bush
Posted by: packofwolves on Oct 2, 2007 6:32 AM   
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As long as we keep accusing everyone else of being the bad guy the focus is turned away from the real bad guys, those sitting in the White House right now. While we cry out in rage about other countries and their unfair treatment of citizens the focus is moved away from the horrible way in which we treat our own and the rights that are being stolen from us.
IMPEACH BUSH AND HIS CRONIES AND REMEMBER THE LIES AND CORRUPTION WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE BOTH LOCALLY AND COUNTRYWIDE. WE MUST RECLAIM OUR COUNTRY AND THE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED.

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» RE: Dictator Bush Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: Dictator Bush Posted by: symcokid
» RE: Dictator Bush Posted by: VannaLaRoche
FACTS
Posted by: wawa on Oct 2, 2007 6:32 AM   
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In a TV interview President Ahmadinejad actually said,


"We do not accept or officially recognize Israel. They are occupiers and illegitimate. But our approach is humanitarian. I ask you where is the Soviet Union now - has it been wiped out or not? It has been wiped out without a war…We do not deceive ourselves. We say a regime that…is an occupier which bullies people…cannot survive…What role did the Palestinian people play [in the holocaust]? The Palestinians were innocent. Why should they be punished, why should their land be occupied, why should they be killed and why should they be turned in to wanderers?" www.informationclearinghouse


On September 25, 2007, President George W. Bush announced a plan to tighten sanctions against the military government in Myanmar and to slap a visa ban on "those responsible for egregious human rights violations."

In a speech at the United Nations, Bush focused on human rights and outlined a new U.S. effort to force the military rulers to accede to the demands of the democracy movement in what was once known as Burma. Bush called on the United Nations to honor its human rights charter and urged the world body to reform its Human Rights Council and overhaul the U.N. Security Council.


President Bush ignored a few elephants in the world; Israel's human rights abuses, Israel's exporting of weapons of destruction to Myanmar and America's veto power in the U.N. Security Council.




On September 30, 2007, Daniella London-Dekel's political cartoon ran in the Hebrew [but not English edition] of Ha'aretz, depicting men carrying stretchers of wounded and dead in Gaza on a television set. At the other end of the room, a man with his back to the TV held a newspaper and apparently completely oblivious/unconscious to the scene in Gaza, says "Poor Monks in Burma."


the rest WAWA Blog October 2, 2007
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» RE: FACTS Posted by: aonghus36
» Don't let facts get in your way Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Sure, read Lenni Brenner Posted by: PakiBoy
» Lots of yammering here but no logic Posted by: ReallyBearish
America trained, financed, defended, and HEAVILY armed Osama and his terrorist camps for decades.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 2, 2007 6:34 AM   
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The sad truth of reality is that our current US military is MIS/AB-used to install and "defend" dictators both here and around the world. The only time the US will "dispose" of them is when their use, as was the case in Saddham Hussein, is "over". The tragically funny thing about the rightwing kooks who scream commie is when I point out that their own "leaders" are supporting and borrowing from communist China, they act EXTREMELY HOSTILE.

Also, speaking of dictatorships and arms relationships,

US Is Top Arms Seller to Developing World
by Thom Shanker

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/us/01weapons.html

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MORE RHETORIC FROM THE MEDIA DOING BUSH'S WORK
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 2, 2007 7:06 AM   
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Is it too much to ask that George Bush state his plans for Iran. This whole Iran idea has drifted into the everyday discussions like some strange smell in the air. Suddenly we all know something because it's been 'leaked' little by little until it is now a fact. But nobody really told us. So once again the media is doing Bush's dirty work. World War III is looming large and once again nobody is quite sure of anything. Thanks, ANNA

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apeasment of bush
Posted by: zorro on Oct 2, 2007 8:10 AM   
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Why do Americans continue to appease BUsh? Why do the nations of the world appease America? Why is America exempt from this notion? Why is it so difficult to see that America is doing what Nazi Germany did, and to a much grander scale? It is time for the nations of the world to stop appeasing America and force us with an International force to change our behavior, to pull all forces out of the middle East and to stop funding terrrorism throughout the world.

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» RE: apeasment of bush Posted by: blitzmesser
What is terrorism?
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 2, 2007 8:32 AM   
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Does the shooting of Iranian civilian Air Flight 655 by USS Vincennes that killed 290 civilians qualify as international act of terrorism?

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Dictator Alert: Burma is being taken over by a BRUTAL DICTATOR
Posted by: american on Oct 2, 2007 8:44 AM   
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Headline: "4,000 Disrobed And Shackled Burmese Monks Detained By Junta, To Be "Sent Away"

Open request to Bush, Cheney, the congress, and the supreme court (seeing as you moved out of the strictly-court case business in 2000): send troops to save the Burmes people now in keeping with our practice of overthrowing brutal dictators for the sake of democracy.

thank you, you are really great and giving folks, american

(PS: I know it is not known that this regime has weapons of mass destruction, but fake it like you did with Iraq--and are doing with Iran--so that we can go in to save 'em.)

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Forget other countries,we've got 'em here
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 2, 2007 9:32 AM   
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The Gov't and their media are using the old illusioniosts trick of misdirection to make us think dictators live and work elsewhere. The senate's latest decree proves the dictators are here. naming Iran or any other country or person a 'terrorist organization' opens the door for the US to invade,bomb and or crucify at will. When congress gave away their control of waging war,we became a totalitarian system.
Use of the media to support them goes even further. They glorify these criminal act and their perpetrators as 'Hero's of freedom'. Unfortunatly they are the agents of doom. We as citizens cannot have them charged in world court. I know because I've tried. How much longer are we going to be deluded by these criminals before we haul out the tar and feathers with the rail to ride them out on. If we even get to an election,there will stilll be no hope for the people because both parties are no different from eachother. There's a good chance the Bush Administration will declare the election voidable because of the war. Yes they have the power to do that. I have friends from all over the World.So far the only really 'free' country is Japan. I'm always asked the same question..."Is Bush trying to rule the World?" My answer is always the same..."Not by himself."
We are faced with a problem that's bigger than 9/11,Vietnam
WW2 & 1 all together. It's the advance of greedy,petty little tyrants trying to act like they've got the right to rule. They do not. In fact no one has the right to rule anyone. Except for That Which Created All Things. By that model we,all the people of Earth, have the right to be Free in all it's forms, have Libery in all it's forms and the right to remove any and all forms of governance that seeks to limit,control or remove these Freedoms and Liberties. The Tar is hot,the feathers are ready,the rail is greased. Are you ready?
DRAFT JEFFREY7 FOR PREZ '08

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The myth of Appeasment -- Chamberlain (among others ) was Pro-Nazi
Posted by: BenCaxton12 on Oct 2, 2007 9:59 AM   
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Chamberlain did not give Hitler the Sudetenland so much out of fear or weakness, as out of simple partisanship. About 1/3 of Europe's business and political leaders were unabashedly pro-Fascist, if not actually fascists themselves. Chamberlain, being in a Labor Party government was somewhat more soft-spoken about it than most.

As of 1939 the fascist movement in general and the NDASP in particular offered the world an orderly and prosperous Germany, a bulwark against bolshivism in Europe, a model for labor-capital relations which most of the captialists in the industrial world admired deeply -- with a side order of antisemitism that was only slightly less popular.

Neville Chamberlain, and for that matter King Edward the Third and Henry Ford were all quite positively inclined to the NDASP regime. Even when Germany began pre-invasion bombardment of England in August 1940, American business and their representatives in Congress did not choose to disown the Nazi connection until well after the Pearl Harbor raid 18month later.

I would go further: had Germany NOT indulged it's antisemitic fixation to QUITE the degree it did, and had the Nuremberg Tribunals not handed down quite so many war crimes convictions ... It wouldn't be crazy to speculate that TODAY Chancellor Adolph Hitler would be widely admired in many American circles as a German forerunner to Ronald Reagan ... a worthy adversary to the noble Churchill an implacable nemesis to the monstrous Stalin -- Robert E. Lee with a black mustache and a forelock.

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Another Result in War with Iran
Posted by: aonghus36 on Oct 2, 2007 10:25 AM   
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First consider the Presidential Elections of '04. I remember many people veering towards Bush, even those who dispised him, because of fear of changing leadership right in the middle of a war. Does Bush have the authority to declare a national emergency which would suspend the next Presidential Elections due to warfare and terrorism? If so, we could be in trouble. I don't see China and Russia sitting still if we invade Iran. It could be WWW3. That would be reason enough to either suspend the elections, or make just enough Americans fearfully choosing the Republican party, if he doesn't suspend the elections.

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» RE: Another Result in War with Iran Posted by: militaryhater
» Bush doesnt need to Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Bush doesnt need to Posted by: aonghus36
you aint seen "worst" yet
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 2, 2007 11:09 AM   
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Dont say that Iraq turned out as a worst possible scenario! If you want to find out how naive that notion is, then just sit back and watch them attack Iran.

They don't plan for afterwards because they dont care. You think psychopathic cops are bad, try psychopathic elitists! They just want war because it gives them power. They care not one bit who dies, even if millions die. Even hundreds of millions. They don't even care if they end up as part of the deathtoll, they just feel the odds are they wont. Cold, calculating, and sadistic...

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» RE: you aint seen "worst" yet Posted by: cybertigress
Yep.. same old thing.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 2, 2007 11:16 AM   
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Venezuela's elections are certified by international bodies... ours aren't... and yet so many people say they "just know" that those elections were worthless. You know... like they "just knew" that Iraq must have WMD and must have been in on 9-11 (because it was the only country in the region they knew and could name the leader of... you know.. like Iran is now...)

Then, of course... there was the very subtle shift in history for Iraq. How many times did you hear, pre-invasion, about the FIRST Gulf War???? There can't be a FIRST if there is no SECOND for it to be differentiated from.

Mainstream media is propaganda.

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Litmus test to find Hitler
Posted by: dmehrtash on Oct 2, 2007 12:17 PM   
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Hitler was obviously a leader of industrial nation with ambitions to dominate the world militarily. Iran is a third world country, most likely with strong defensive capabilities, but almost zero offensive capabilities. At least in case of Saddam, it made more sense as he had invaded Iran and Kuwait. In case of Iran it is more of a joke.

The interesting point though, is that if Hitler was running US what would he do? Wouldn't he be talking about invading Iran, keeping nuclear attack option on table?

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"Dictators"
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Oct 2, 2007 1:39 PM   
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First of all, thanks Larry for a good revue of history.

It seems that our "Commander-in'Chief" cum decider has chosen Ahmadinejad as the "Dictator of the year". Last year it was Chavez of Venezuela.
I have always thought that leaders who are elected by as majority of the people in clean, monitored elections are normally called President or some such title.
A real dictator woulld seem to me to be someone like Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Geroge W. Bush/Dick Cheney of the US. In 2000 and in 2004, they were not elected by a majority of the voters. 2000 - appointed to the offices by the Supreme Court after the court stopped the ballot counting in Florida. 2004 - got back in the offices by the cooperation of Blackwell of Ohio who dumped over 300,000 votes for specious easons. The Bush/Cheney crime family have tried to destory the Constitution of the US and are doiong a damn good job of it with the cooperation of the US Congress.
I never really wanted to live in a dictatorship, but now I do.

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» RE: "Dictators" Posted by: symcokid
The pot and the kettle?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Oct 2, 2007 1:43 PM   
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Uh, that's okay, thanks anyway, George. You've already demonstrated everything anybody needs to know on the subject.

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Iran - Big Defense Contractors' Last Chance At Riches Before It All Goes "POP"
Posted by: MAD on Oct 2, 2007 4:02 PM   
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Lies, lies and more lies. Neo-liberalizm is in its death throes because a growing number of countries are rejecting the putrid stench of elitism as peddled by the Friedmans, Rumsfelds, Cheneys and Greenspans of the world.

It has been forced down the throats of unsuspecting peoples, touted as a magical elixir sure to cure what ails you, namely: a fair distribution of wealth, equality, self-determination and sovereignty. Oh, and it is usually administered at the end of the barrel of an economic gun.

Iraq just wasn't enough so now Halliburton, CM2H Hill, Dyncorp, Blackhearter and Lockheed are scurrying to cash in on the next US taxpayer sponsored slaughter of innocent civilians so they can afford to wall themselves off entirely from the rapidly deteriorating socio-economic scene sure to ensue.

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After being attacked, what if Iran does nothing but protest to U.N.?
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Oct 2, 2007 6:13 PM   
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THIS is the nightmare scenario for the unholy ruling military-industrial-zionist (MIZ) complex. If Iran retaliates, then the flag-wavers will pop out and demand we "support our boys". But what if, after a 2-week bombing campaign, all the Iranians do is send a delegation to the U.N. to protest and demand that the Bush/Cheney war criminals be prosecuted?

The MIZ complex will be thrown totally off balance. Iran will still be there, still digging even deeper new bunkers, while the world watches the bodies get pulled from the wreckage on their TV screens. No, it will not affect the media here in the US, but the Europeans and Russians and Chinese will finally realize that further appeasement of Bush and his MIZ gang can not proceed further.

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Quote, or it didn't happen
Posted by: johnrohan on Oct 3, 2007 12:33 AM   
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The Bush White House calls Iran's President Ahmadinejad a "dictator" when he isn't

It's true that Amadinejad is not a dictator, but I don't think it's true that Bush called him one. I just did a pretty extensive web search, and I can't find a single speech where Bush calls him a dictator.

The President of Columbia University, Lee Bollinger did, but not Bush. Let's be a little more careful in our accusations here. Please either correct this or provide the quote.

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» RE: Quote, or it didn't happen Posted by: theguyintheback
THe Necessity of Enemies
Posted by: Makan on Oct 3, 2007 5:43 PM   
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The following I read in a Malaysian newspaper back in Feb. 2002 about sums it up about the need for enemies. This was a letter to the editor in the New Strait Times

When its necessary for nations to have their enemies.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's recent
statement that he regretted not "liquidating"
Palestinian President Yasser Arafat in Lebanon 20
years ago, is probably the best joke of the century.
How can the Tel Aviv regime, equipped with
state-of-the art weaponry and intelligence technology
say such an unimaginable thing, especially when the US
has been firmly behind it all these years?
The reality is the Israel. the United States or even
their allies can't really afford to eliminate their
so-called "enemies". The reason is simple. Without
Arafat, Sharon doesn't really have an enemy to
victimize or somebody to quarrel with.
Imagine what will happen to the West Bank in
particular if Israel controls everything, with nothing
to worry about, except perhaps sporadic suicide
bombings or Katyusha rocket attacks by small
Palestinian militia groups?
With peace, Israel won't have much to do. Weapons
will not be sold and military experts will be jobless.
All the Zionist Cabinet will do, during its weekly
meeting is, perhaps, to find new enemies and how to
create new trouble, simply because the Israelis can't
actually live in peace, or make peace with anybody.
If Israel, the United States or even the Europeans
truly want to rid the world of Arafat, Libyan leader
Muammar Gaddafi, Cuban President Fidel Castro or even
Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, what is stopping them?
They have all the spy satellites, state-of-the art
weaponry, intelligence as well as expertise to do so.
These leaders, no doubt, have their own way of
protecting themselves, but I don't believe that in the
last 20 years or so, there was no chance at all to
hurt or assassinate these people.
Perhaps the reason why the US and its allies are
still unable to "capture" Osama bin Laden is the fact
that the "honeymoon" in Afghanistan will be over once
the terror suspect is arrested or killed.
The US and its allies will have no more reason to be
in the region once there is no crisis there. I am not
anti-American or anti-West. I must admit that Arafat
and his people have their weaknesses too. I believe
militia groups in Palestine should stop suicide
attacks.
I believe the US has every right to protect itself,
especially after the Sept 11 terror attacks, but I am
truly amazed at the speed and determination of
President George W. Bush to "chase after the enemies"
even outside the US boundaries and establish new
positions.
The US is so determined to the point that they even
ignore the sovereignty of other nations, ever willing
to violate human rights and international law.
But it is not too late. The US still has the time to
re-evaluate its foreign policy, by focusing on the
need to re-establish peace in West Asia, ensuring
Israel sits down quietly, avoid nosing into the
affairs of other sovereign nations and perhaps try
hard to explain to the people what was actually
happening at Enron.
If people want to see a real drama, perhaps this is
one of the best episodes.

Azmi Atan Balakong, Malaysia Friday 22 Feb 2002 New Straits Times

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The Medias new "bad guy"
Posted by: Irap14 on Oct 3, 2007 9:27 PM   
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The Medias oldest trick in the book, demonization. It's just a big lie, to say "dictator". I call on all true hearted progressive brothers and sisters to participate in our mission to expose the lies Bush and his media cronies. It is your duty to travel to Iran and publicly denounce the Iranian president for his right wing views, especially against gays. We must open a new progressive news paper which will promote gay rights, womens rights, abortion, etc. We will openly and without fear publicly call the Iranian president a LIAR and a MURDERER to show the world that there are no dictators there. The only dictator is Bush! So please help this noble cause, buy your airline ticket today! And ladies don't forget to pack your bikini.

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Depleted Uranium- U.S. weapon of mass destruction
Posted by: cybertigress on Oct 4, 2007 11:05 AM   
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In 1991, the United States and its Persian Gulf War allies blasted the vehicles with armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium (DU) -- the first time such weapons had been used in warfare. On the "Highway of Death," 11 miles north of the Kuwait border, a collection of tanks, armored personnel carriers and other military vehicles are rusting in the desert.. they are also radiating deadly nuclear energy.
When a DU round hits its target as much as 70 percent of the projectile can burn up on impact, creating a firestorm of ceramic DU oxide particles. The residue of this firestorm is an extremely fine ceramic uranium dust that can be spread by the wind, inhaled and absorbed into the human body and absorbed by plants and animals, becoming part of the food chain.
Side effects of depleted uranium munitions -- still a major part of the U.S. arsenal -- will cause serious illnesses or deaths in a new generation of U.S. soldiers as well as Iraqis. Remember the Gulf War Syndrome? DU remains radioactive for about 4.5 billion years. But as suspected, the Pentagon plays down the effects.
SO who is the most dangerous ? (Google: Depleted Uranium)

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One atheist at least
Posted by: jmooney on Oct 4, 2007 4:28 PM   
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Nice piece, but when you say that there are no atheist in elective federal office you are forgetting that Cong. Pete Stark of California recently came out of the closet as an atheist.

With the recent uptick in books about atheism and more polling that is indicating growing percentages of Americans who disbelieve or simply have no belief in a supernatural god, I would be willing to bet there are other members of Congress who are within the boundaries of atheistic or agnostic thought. They probably choose not do come out because of a fear or political fall out.

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Here we go again...
Posted by: radiomorning on Oct 5, 2007 1:11 PM   
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I just want to say that I think we should all be listening closely what this man has to say versus what we are told he says and compare the two.
For example; I have heard countless times from the mouths of others that he thinks Israel should be ‘wiped off the map,’ but when he was asked how he would suggest solving the Israel/Palestine problem he suggested a free referendum in which all habitants of the Palestinian territories get a vote, be they Jewish, Arab, Christian, or sane.
A free referendum? That doesn’t sound so despotic or hateful to me. It seems that the ‘wiping off the map’ that we always see so suspiciously in quotation marks may simply be a convenient translation of an otherwise harmless suggestion. A far better suggestion than the American policy of supporting Israel no matter how reprehensible their actions become. It actually includes democracy, which is nice.
Far be it from me to get on this guy’s side, but I don’t see how he is any crazier than most people we allow to run countries all over the world. And I don’t suspect he has killed nearly as many people as George Bush.
Again, I’m not saying to love him or invite him round for tea or anything, I am just really concerned about this apparent smear campaign and where it is leading us. It’s the kind of foreshadowing that could see a lot more of our brothers and sisters dying a couple years down the line for no good reason at all.
Do not let America be dragged into yet another unjust war to serve private interests.
What about when we said NEVER AGAIN!?

By the way, the US showed up to Hitler’s olympics. All this ’should he be allowed to speak?’ stuff is strange. He is allowed to speak. Period. And its not for you to discuss or decide. The real debate is whether you want to be allowed to hear what he has to say.
I find it very curious that the leader of a foreign sovereign nation wanted to pay his respects at ground zero and was not allowed to. Must have been strange for him as he thought he was visiting a free country, as well as the fact that Rudy Guiliani has toured Saudi delegations around the site.
Again, I’m not jumping to his defence, but I don’t think his views are all that consequential compared to the tone of the discourse surrounding him.
Why do they want you to hate him so badly?

Remember the famous words;
"Fool me once, shame... shame on... you fool me I can't get fooled again."
Don't be fooled again.

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it helps to remember or rights...
Posted by: donneek on Oct 6, 2007 7:25 AM   
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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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More fog facts
Posted by: Democritus on Oct 6, 2007 12:56 PM   
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What Larry Beinhart doesn't mention in dispelling the nonsense of comparing Ahmadinejad to Hitler, is the fog fact that it's supposedly the "radical Islamists" whom we must not appease--no matter where they are.

What makes this nonsense, as well, is that the so-called "Islamofascists" in no way resemble Hitler. Hitler had a country--Germany--and he had other countries as allies--Austria, Japan, and Italy--and these countries had national boundaries and armies. In contrast, there is no Islamofascist state, and therefore no Islamofascist armies. To draw such a broken-backed analogy of comparing bin Laden to Hitler one would have to do the same with any other cult leader.

If we're in that kind of a "war on terror," then it can't be limited to Islamic cults, but the war must be extended to those headed by Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh, as well. But once we do this, we are reminded that those cults, like the ones of the Badr Brigade and the Red Guards before them, cannot be fought with armies and bombs. They have to be fought in the same way we fought and vanquished the Mafia--by using police tactics to arrest, try, and convict the criminals in those cults.

What the supporters of our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq--and the possible one with Iran--would like us to believe is that those who operate outside of international law are countries that are thereby ripe for invasion. The truth is that it is loosely organized individuals, not countries, that are responsible for terrorist acts. Those acts cannot be prevented by sheer military force. On the contrary, the use of such force only serves to enlarge the membership of the cult.

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The Slick Willy of Fairly Democratic Iran
Posted by: nherkowitz on Oct 6, 2007 1:08 PM   
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Iran is probably the most democratic Muslim country in the Middle East and North Africa, although that might not be a tough competition!

That doesn't mean that Ahmadinejad is any more than a Slick Willy type of Iranian politician. He's a Western type of politician who tells people what he thinks they want to hear, while at the same time continuing the extreme policies of the mullahs. He is always running for his next election.

Many Iranians are very unhappy with him for how he runs Iranian domestic policy. It is the US invasion of Iraq that has kept up his popularity, and he is playing it for all the votes it is worth.

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Great article but you missed one obvious comparison
Posted by: sketchley on Oct 9, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Talking about Iran you stated

"So while it is prepared to use influence, money and propaganda, and to support violent people who believe as it does, or close to what it does, a reasonable prediction is that there are limits. It proceeds with caution."

You could have pointed out that successive US administrations - both Republican and Democrat - have also been "prepared to use influence, money and propaganda, and to support violent people" albeit with few limits and little caution...an additional difference being that believing as they do or close to what they do is also not a prerequisite...hell, its not even important!

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