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War on Iraq

Six Years After 9/11, Why We're Losing the War on Terror

By David Cole and Jules Lobel, The Nation. Posted September 11, 2007.


How Bush & Co. have taken the U.S. from being the object of the world's sympathy to the object of their scorn.
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President George W. Bush is fond of reminding us that no terrorist attacks have occurred on domestic soil since 9/11. But has the Administration's "war on terror" actually made us safer?

According to the July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, Al Qaeda has fully reconstituted itself in Pakistan's northern border region. Terrorist attacks worldwide have grown dramatically in frequency and lethality since 2001. New terrorist groups, from Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia to the small groups of young men who bombed subways and buses in London and Madrid, have multiplied since 9/11.

Meanwhile, despite the Bush Administration's boasts, the total number of people it has convicted of engaging in a terrorist act since 9/11 is one (Richard Reid, the shoe bomber).

Nonetheless, leading Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton claims that we are safer. Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani warns that "the next election is about whether we go back on defense against terrorism ... or are we going to go on offense." And Democrats largely respond by insisting that they, too, would "go on offense."

Few have asked whether "going on offense" actually works as a counterterrorism strategy. It doesn't. The Bush strategy has been a colossal failure, not only in terms of constitutional principle but in terms of national security. It turns out that in fighting terrorism, the best defense is not a good offense but a smarter defense.

"Going on offense," or the "paradigm of prevention," as then-Attorney General John Ashcroft dubbed it, has touched all of us. Some, like Canadian Maher Arar, have been rendered to third countries (in his case, Syria) to be interrogated by security services known for torture.

Others have been subjected to months of virtually nonstop questioning, sexual abuse, waterboarding and injections with intravenous fluids until they urinate on themselves. Still others, like KindHearts, an American charity in Toledo, Ohio, have had their assets frozen under the USA Patriot Act and all their records seized without so much as a charge, much less a finding, of wrongdoing.

In the name of the "preventive paradigm," thousands of Arab and Muslim immigrants have been singled out, essentially on the basis of their ethnicity or religion, for special treatment, including mandatory registration, FBI interviews and preventive detention. Businesses have been served with more than 100,000 "national security letters," which permit the FBI to demand records on customers without a court order or individualized basis for suspicion.

We have all been subjected to unprecedented secrecy about what elected officials are doing in our name while simultaneously suffering unprecedented official intrusion into our private lives by increased video surveillance, warrantless wiretapping and data-mining. Most tragically, more than 3,700 Americans and more than 70,000 Iraqi civilians have given their lives for the "preventive paradigm," which was used to justify going to war against a country that had not attacked us and posed no imminent threat of attack.

The preventive paradigm had its genesis on September 12, 2001. In Bush at War, Bob Woodward recounts a White House meeting in which FBI Director Robert Mueller advised that authorities must take care not to taint evidence in seeking 9/11 accomplices so that they could eventually be held accountable. Ashcroft immediately objected, saying, "The chief mission of US law enforcement...is to stop another attack and apprehend any accomplices ... If we can't bring them to trial, so be it."

Ever since, the "war on terror" has been characterized by highly coercive, "forward-looking" pre-emptive measures -- warrantless wiretapping, detention, coercive interrogation, even war -- undertaken not on evidence of past or current wrongdoing but on speculation about future threats.

In isolation, neither the goal of preventing future attacks nor the tactic of using coercive measures is novel or troubling. All law enforcement seeks to prevent crime, and coercion is a necessary element of state power. However, when the end of prevention and the means of coercion are combined in the Administration's preventive paradigm, they produce a troubling form of anticipatory state violence -- undertaken before wrongdoing has actually occurred and often without good evidence for believing that wrongdoing will ever occur.

The Bush strategy turns the law's traditional approach to state coercion on its head. With narrow exceptions, the rule of law reserves invasions of privacy, detention, punishment and use of military force for those who have been shown -- on the basis of sound evidence and fair procedures -- to have committed or to be plotting some wrong.

The police can tap phones or search homes, but only when there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the search is likely to find evidence of the crime. People can be preventively detained pending trial, but only when there is both probable cause of past wrongdoing and concrete evidence that they pose a danger to the community or are likely to abscond if left at large. And under international law, nations may use military force unilaterally only in response to an objectively verifiable attack or threat of imminent attack.

These bedrock legal requirements are a hindrance to "going on offense." Accordingly, the Administration has asserted sweeping executive discretion, eschewed questions of guilt or innocence and substituted secrecy and speculation for accountability and verifiable fact. Where the rule of law demands fair and open procedures, the preventive paradigm employs truncated processes often conducted in secret, denying the accused a meaningful opportunity to respond.


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Tough talk...
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 11, 2007 12:28 AM   
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» how to bilk the country out of $$$ Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
God Bless Alternet
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 11, 2007 1:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is here we can find such insightful (inciteful?) articles and information that we just don't see in the MSM. I agreed with almost everything this article covered. I may not have the same kid glove treatment of suspected terrorists, but even those points were well taken. This intervention/occupation was the worst decision this country (read that Bushco) has done in my lifetime, although that Viet Nam thing was a close rival and at the moment was more costly in terms of American lives sacrificed, not that US lives are more special than others. We have yet to see the full cost of this blunder, which could yet achieve Biblical proportions. I want to be optimistic, but I fear it will take generations to see just how costly this Bush war will be. Nothing about it makes sense, unless someone is trying to fulfill fundamentalist prophecy.
To justify preventative war to this extent is absurd on its face, and such reasoning can be used to justify anything. But BushJr told us that we won't understand his actions for several decades, so let's be patient and see.
When asked by Woodward if he consulted his father before taking his country into Mesopotamia, he said he consulted a 'higher Father'....Someone should have reminded him that the God of Jesus would have reminded him "Blessed are the peacemakers", he must have skipped that chapter, along with the parts that say 'The meek shall inherit the Earth' and "They who take the sword shall perish by the sword". What part of Christ's teachings does Bush follow? Oh yeah, it's found in Luke 12:51, "Do you suppose that I came to bring peace on Earth? Nay, but rather division". Some uniter-not-a-divider he is....yeah, he united the world against us.
Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride...

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» RE: God Bless Alternet Posted by: solrev
» And Bushco united... Posted by: bob t
This Is Only Going To Get Worse
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 11, 2007 1:33 AM   
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And now, on top of everything else, this half-witted, incompetent, murderous bastard in the White House is gearing up for an attack on Iran. Does he really believe he can do it without the constitutionally mandated congressional approval? His past arrogance is undisputed proof that he does, indeed, think he can. The signs are all there. As Frank Rich pointed out in the New York Times on Sunday, They are repeating the scam they produced five years ago with all of the phony "intelligence" regarding Saddam Hussein's mythical WMD program.

Where does that leave us? Certainly the Democrats have got to show some courage and stand up to the First Fool. Will they finally do it? I am only cautiously optimistic. Every time I ask myself why I left that worthless party almost ten years ago, they cheerfully remind me. Have not one of these cry babies ever even heard of John F. Kennedy's Pulitzer Prize winning 1956 book, Profiles In Courage??? One has to wonder.

Let's not get fooled again (Not that I ever was). If this administration proceeds with its obvious plan to attack on Iran (congress be screwed) a show of national outrage and defiance should immediately take hold. This is our country! We need to take it back from these criminal chicken hawks. The time has come to stand up and stand this country on its head.

Let me say it for the umteenth time: George W. Bush is going to die in federal prison. I promise you that.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: This Is Only Going To Get Worse Posted by: Constitutionalist75
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Neo-con think
Posted by: mizipi on Sep 11, 2007 1:34 AM   
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Surely, every person wrongly imprisoned is a victim of terrorism. Every innocent person who has lost their life and/or home in Iraq and Afghanistan is a victim of terrorism. Those who died in NYC six years ago were victims of terrorism.

Those who cause the terrorism are cowards, afraid of truth, justice, liberty and democracy. Lies now out-weigh logic. Fiction is reported more than fact.

Though there is some talk about troop reductions in Iraq, why is no one talking about reducing the number of paid contractors and mercenaries?

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» RE: Neo-con think Posted by: Constitutionalist75
» Republicans and Democrats Posted by: mizipi
The war on terror is a hoax.
Posted by: justaguy on Sep 11, 2007 2:42 AM   
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And the neocons are winning.

They're nuts, but they're not incompetent at all. Everything is going to plan.

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» BINGO Illiteratilumen! Posted by: dover23
» RE: BINGO Illiteratilumen! Posted by: Constitutionalist75
» It all goes back to 9/11 Posted by: leafsong1
Another Ignorant American Rant
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Sep 11, 2007 3:56 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Though in the main this article is a very good one, the prime reason why the world is fast turning against the US is NOT just because you have an ignorant President, it is because your people, and not just those that voted for him, including the two writers of this article, are ignorant.

"Meanwhile, despite the Bush Administration's boasts, the total number of people it has convicted of engaging in a terrorist act since 9/11 is one (Richard Reid, the shoe bomber)."
And
"That's the real reason no one has yet been brought to trial at Guantánamo."

Have you never heard of David Hicks? He spent five years in G'tmo and was put on what your military call a trial, where he was found guilty and sent back here to Australia to finish his sentence. He will be released in November this year, and for what. Even the US prosecutors had trouble trying to find charges against him, but charge him they did.
I plead and beg you America, it is not your idiot Presidents or Congress that is worrying the world, it is the idiots and morons that think they know what the world is thinking who live in your country. Educate yourselves to the real world, not the self made one.
Alternet, surely you can find articles that can assist your poor readers to educate yourselves. Then we won't have American Presidents calling APEC, OPEC, Australia, Austria, and not even being able to pronounce Jamar Islamir.

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» When will you do that then? Posted by: justaguy
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» RE: Another Ignorant American Rant Posted by: Nedtheredhead
"war on terror" is indeed as big a Farce as the 911 sting that cooked it
Posted by: Aramis on Sep 11, 2007 4:02 AM   
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Virtually nothing about this conflict is what it seems as two-faced pitchmen at the corporate media toss fuel on another very profitable Orwellian war to ever weirder and bloodier heights for the usual suspects.

Even the way this column IDs and frames its subject is improbable. Seems any resistance hither and yon to corporate conquest of foreign lands must be due to so-called “al-Qaeda” that was originally foisted together by CIA and western elites.

Beyond the natives there, how does anyone really know what and who these resisters from the Mid East and Eurasia are? Does anyone that fights western Big Oil interests automatically qualify as “terrorists” that somehow carry “al-Qaeda” ID badges?

This is absurd.

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THE WAR WILL END WHEN SIEBOL EDMONDS AND JEFF FISHER TESTIFY
Posted by: AMERICANPATRIOTJEFFFISHER on Sep 11, 2007 4:12 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My name is Jeff Fisher and I write Peace plans and end Apartheid
in Israel forevermore.

Zionism is going to cease to exist since I will be America's First
Secretary of Peace under the guidance of President Albert Arnold Gore
Jr and Vice President Cynthia McKinney prayerfully by October 1st,
2007. This is called Constitutional Crisis.


If you want the war to end PLEASE tell the world everywhere that Jeff
Fisher exposed Baypoint School that stole the 2000 United States
Election with help from the Israeli government to start with.


In 2003 I wrote two peace plans, one for Palestine and the other for
the reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland. I have since then
written several more.


The press knows who I am and they would rather see death and
destruction then peace.


They are controlled and must be stopped.


BayPoint School is also the key to September 11th, 2001.


Just Google my name with Al Gore to get started.


Tell the whole world now what is being distributed everywhere by
volunteers.

NEWS ALERT NEWS ALERT

JEFF FISHER
AND
FBI TRANSLATOR
SIEBOL EDMONDS
ARE TESTIFYING AGAINST
VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B CHENEY
WITH LEGAL COUNSEL OF
PATRICK J FITZGERALD
REGARDING
THE AMERICAN TURKISH COUNCIL
AND IT'S CONNECTION TO
BAYPOINT SCHOOL AND AIPAC

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT
ROGER RANCOURT AT
THE NATIONAL WHISTLE BLOWER HOTLINE

THE CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS IS
REALCOUNTSCOUNTS@GMAIL.COM

THE WEB ADDRESS IS
HTTP://WWW.NOMOREFRAUD.BLOGSPOT.COM

Karl Rove is gone
Alberto Gonzales is gone
Homeland Security Director
Michael Chertoff is next along
with Vice President Richard B. Cheney

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» ... president al gore... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Bush just doesn't get it???
Posted by: pete ess on Sep 11, 2007 5:03 AM   
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Or maybe he does. If your goal is to foment war, maybe he gets it real good. I don't buy the "Bush is dumb" bit. Evil? Yes. Mad? Yes. Clinically achieving a goal so evil that many just refuse to believe it possible? Yes. But dumb? And even if he does actually happen to be dumb, his minders are getting him to dance EXACTLY as they want him to - and that ain't dumb. Chilling? Yes.

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THAT DAY and This 9/11
Posted by: wawa on Sep 11, 2007 5:17 AM   
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THAT DAY and This 9/11

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

When President Bush went on TV and told we the people to "GO SHOP!" And that "They hated us because we were free!"

I did NOT react with FEAR, but curiosity, and wondered if 'They' hated us so much to target and murder innocent people had something to do with Americans mindless over consumption of the world's resources and apathy towards the poor and oppressed.

Up until THAT DAY we call 9/11, I was your typical self-satisfied, self-centered, uninformed, misinformed comfortable American.

THAT DAY, changed everything and began my search to learn WHY do some people in the world hate us so much that they could target and murder innocent people.

I learned PLENTY!

And being a Christian of The Beatitudes; one who follows what the Master taught was non-negotiable;

That to be forgiven; you must forgive!

That to follow him meant you must pray and bless and love your enemies!

And that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God,

And so, I was led to the Interfaith non-profit Olive Trees Foundation for Peace, founded by a 1948 refugee from the Galille, Dr. Khaled Diab and to journey 5 times to Israel Palestine, for all roads lead to Jerusalem...

Sept. 11 WAWA Blog:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

CHAPTER 10:
THAT DAY
excerpted from KEEP HOPE ALIVE

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The Answer To Rummy's Question
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 11, 2007 5:55 AM   
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We are most certainly creating FAR more terrorists than we are killing . How many of those wrongly imprisoned at Abu Gharib who were since released will become Terorists
and how about those 300 or so released from Gitmo . They might not have supported the terrorist cause BEFORE but after their unjust treatment they probably will NOW
The other obvious point is that as John Kerry pointed out it is good police work that prevents terrorist plots . Witness the events in Great Britain .
If I hear ONE more MORON claim that Bush' s strategy is working because we have NOT been attacked since 911 I will go postal ( with apologies to our hard working Postal Employees ) . It took 8 years between the first and second WTC attacks .Of course had the "Decider" bothered to read that Aug 6 PDB and actually DO something other than continue clearing brush perhaps the results might have been different

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Message from CIA's blow-back Bin Laden
Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 11, 2007 6:10 AM   
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Look,
Posted by: paschn on Sep 11, 2007 6:14 AM   
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Saying we're losing the war on terror is like,... well like saying Bush et al are "missing" the point,.. are simply "wrong".... We ARE the war on terror! Our disgusting pandering to the terrorist nation of Israel, our mindless support to a country whos only claim to fame is their political and religeous control over the Evil Empire, ( insert U.S. here ). You heard Bin Laden say, stop supporting Israel's mass murder and acts of terrorism and there won't BE any war on terror. So, what do you bunch of sharp-toothed sheep do? You forge ahead. How DARE he tell US what to do!! No matter if it's TRUE or CORRECT... NO one tells the benevolent U.S. what to do! Most definately the people here.. They're too goddamn gullible to actually control their "knee walking" leaders, ( for lack of a better term ), when it's easier to simply do what your told, wrong as it is. So, mindless / spineless ones, gather your spawn and get set for the NEXT "pre-emptive" invasion of yet another tiny nation for the elite that rule your asses. Get the blood off of those car-ass signs you relish. The ones saying "support our troops". Wipe it off so all can read them clearly, fall in to formation. Go murder millions more and assuage your selves with the thought that you do what's right. Yeah, you bet.

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» RE: Look, Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Look, Posted by: peacefullaim
Why is Bin Laden still alive!!!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 11, 2007 6:49 AM   
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I can find agreement with alot of this article..but I do not agree with the point that we need to be on the defensive only... the best defense is a good offense..

We need to be actively seeking out Bin Laden & co... we need better immigration policy, we need to do alot of things better and respect the people of this country..not trample on their right, to living a safe live for fear of offending terrorists.

Get Bin Laden, what ever it takes, fix Iraq into a stable country free from outside influences such as Iran and then get out!

Unfortunately we seem to be on a track of a permanent presence in Iraq as a way of facing Iran and protecting oil supplies.. Any wonder why Iran is playing a big part in supplying weapons and technology that is resulting in many US deaths!

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THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR AND THERE NEVER WAS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 11, 2007 7:24 AM   
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It's a name given to the impetuous actions of a boy-president doing what his father's friends tell him to do. They had to call it something. 6 years of the frightening actions of our leaders followed by some high IQ people rationalizing what just happened. Then comes yet another tell all bare the soul book.Sadly Gen. Petraeus disgraced himself yesterday. Did he remember his obligation to his troops in battle? Guess not. It's about the boy-president. Thanks, ANNA

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America's license to kill began way before 9/11
Posted by: Lector on Sep 11, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Six Years of 9/11 as a License to Kill? No, more like decades of an aggressive American foreign military policy, ever since the Americans came up with the concept of Manifest Destiny. It’s in our DNA and all American presidents no matter which party they come from have been trapped in history and it finally came home to roost with the 9/11 event. Now even many Americans hate America. Not the America of the people, but Corporate America who has bought the government and taken over the media.

Corporations are the only ones that enjoy representation by the Congress (who are just lackeys for them). We are also the largest rogue state of all because we honor no treaties and spurn international courts and strike unilaterally wherever we feel like it.

Robert Lightfoot

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Any "War on terror" is self-defeating - failure to understand the basics issue
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 11, 2007 8:01 AM   
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Sigh.. another article that fails to examine history and motivation - such as US support for radical fundamentalist Islamic groups as an anti-Soviet force during the Cold War. Also, this stinker: "...coercion is a necessary element of state power." Nonsense!

Notice the failure to define terrorism. Let's try: 'acts of violence carried out by shadowy non-state actors who are difficult to retaliate against'?

So, you're going to respond to this with warfare? Bombing and invading oil-rich Middle Eastern countries and executing their leaders following sham trials that cover up U.S. involvement in arming those leaders?

Here's a question that the article doesn't bother to ask: why would someone engage in suicidial attacks like 9/11? What's their motivation? What does the world look like through their eyes? This is just standard profiling - the kind of thing FBI psychologists do.

Recently, Roy Eidelson posted this excellent film that discusses primary motivations of people: vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness.

Applying this to the 911 suicide hijackers, you have young men who are motivated by their sense of combating some injustice, an internal feeling that their culture is superior, deep distrust of the aims of Western governments (i.e. the Crusades), a feeling of helplessness to change the circumstances by non-violent action, all supported by a feeling of vulnerability that also tends to support violent actions ('while you still can').

That's just an idea as to how you might apply those concepts to analyzing the motivating factors behind terrorist assaults. A 'War on Terror' will only serve to increase those tensions, especially when it is so very obvious that this is mostly just cover for Western governments to come in and control Middle Eastern oil reserves. That's now a main recruiting theme for Al Queda and friends (distrust).

Now, if you really wanted to stop terrorism, you'd rely on diplomacy coupled with good faith moves like transfer of control of oil reserve to national governments rather than to international oil corporations (Believe me, they want to sell us their oil - but they want their fair share of revenues). You'd acknowledge that the Middle East has some very legitimate grievances against the West, and take some steps to alleviate those problems (i.e. pressure Israel to stop treating the Palestinians like a captive prison population and to end their apartheid system). You'd also push for democratic reforms in the monarchist Gulf States. Above all, you'd end the racist and bigoted attacks on Mideast culture and religion in the Western corporate press.

Taking such steps would completely undermine terrorist group recruiting strategies, which are all based on those five factors: injustice, superiority, vulnerabiltiy, helplessness and distrust.

However, I'm reminded of Colin Powell's statement during the Clinton years: "I'm running out of enemies!". The US military-industrial complex needs an external enemy to justify its continued existence as well as the grossly inflated military budget. That's right out of Orwell's 1984. Similarly, Osama bin Laden would be just another spoiled Saudi billionaire without his "Great Satan" to inspire his loyal followers. The conservative Iranian clerics who continue to fight democratic reforms in Iran rely on the US-Israeli alliance to maintain their grip on power.

This article completely ignores these basic and fundamental issues. It's like the Vietnam era, when 'liberal pundits' were complaining about inflated enemy 'body counts': "The Army says we're winning in Vietnam, but we're not"- while completely ignoring the historical background and the viewpoint of the Vietnamese people.

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» Building The G. Gordon Liddy Utopia Posted by: eddie torres
TODAY IS A DAY OF PROPAGANDA
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 11, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Many things are dedicated and remembered, as the media and fascists want you to remember. These forces of distortion push their agendas as they insist they will be the ones to direct the destiny of mankind.

Only the truth is clear and instantly understood. But propaganda is hammered like a bent nail by the unskilled, hoping to correct or beat the lie into submission until the supporting structure must be literally cut out and replaced.

That supporting structure is the truth. It is we the real patriots that must skillfully expose and extract the lies and the liars, in order to keep truth the strongest force of civilization or all is lost.

Terrorism is a tactic or method, not an enemy. The enemy that will break US is inflexibility and arrogant stubbornness.
We the US can not and should not even try to "rule" the world, or impose our beliefs on the rest of the world, but to be diplomates of peace for all our mutual well being.

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What's the plan?
Posted by: willymack on Sep 11, 2007 8:14 AM   
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All right; maybe bush isn't such a fathead, or maybe he is and is expertly controlled by brilliant, albeit evil people in public and in the shadows. What's the end goal of the stolen "elections" of 2000 & 2004, the phony Iraq war, the phony "war on terror", the effort to eliminate all of our social programs, and keeping our citizens in the dark about what's REALLY happening? Why abridge or ignore our Constitutional guarantees for obscure reasons? Why feed the rich and steal from the (quickly vanishing) middle class to the point that it's obvious that continuation of our current economic policies will produce a new "Guilded Age", wherein there will only be the rich and the "rest of us" before long? What's the end goal of all this? Unless a major change takes place among our ignorant, indifferent, lazy, and uncaring populace, the end goal will become apparent in all its evil majesty, perhaps brought on by another 911,martial law, and the elimination of any and all pretenses that we live in a free country.

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We're losing the war, but Bush & Cronies are winning.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Sep 11, 2007 8:21 AM   
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Put this article together with the accompanying article/video
The CIA's Love Affair With Shock Therapy and you begin to see the real picture. America and the American people are just fodder for the ambitions of wood-be commercial world oligarchs.
As our economy is bled dry, they are simply moving on to "richer veins" elsewhere.

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Warrior Queen
Posted by: lunabella on Sep 11, 2007 8:41 AM   
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(From my Blog Site)

9/11/2007 - I Will Not Forget
Taking a few precious moments to upload New York photographs. I do not want to lose them. They mean too much, hold so much significance.

Amidst the fun and laughter, the sights and sounds of our favorite city in the United States, there held a theme. Dinner in Brooklyn with long-lost, but forever friends, was most certainly a highlight. Birthday on Mulberry Street, a dream come true. Being "tour guides" to our adult son...well, there are no words to express the delight in that experience. Witnessing a Yankee victory? It don't get much better than that.

Yet, we grew weary. We are older, now, and have been through so much in 5 years...the last visit. New York has become cleaner, pricier. There are scant signs of homelessness in the streets as we remember. The Club Scene, that we knew and loved is gone. Times Square is a shopper's Paradise. Trump Towers, so scary, looming over Columbus Square...what does the Donald think? Is he Superman?

But wait...

What about Ground Zero? What's with the rubble, still? Our visit to the WTC Museum certainly put a damper on our festive mood. One cannot help but cry. Cry, still. Cry, forever. The families of the lost cry in their own private way, each day, no doubt. A family NEVER forgets.

Have we forgotten them, too?

It has been six years today. Six years of grieving. As a nation, as a family, as a brother, sisiter, mother, father, son, daughter. We each grieve for our own. It IS personal. Death is always personal to someone, isn't it?

And what do we do when it's our own? Do we hide behind "busyness"? Do we gloss over the ugly and pretend we don't feel any pain? Do we argue and fight over HOW and WHO gets to pick out the Headstone? WHO gets to choose the appropriate Memorial? Do we put our heads in the sand and leave the decision to "someone who has more time"? How much time do we need to get over ourselves, anyway??

I will never forget my own brother, a Donald, too. His dying plea, "Please, don't forget me."

I made my Donald a promise. "We will NEVER forget you. THIS I promise you." It was the least I could do.

So, what about the U.S.? What about us?

Where is the Memorial...how long does it take? Tower of Babel, indeed. Come on, New York...

BRING IT ON!

We are ready to move forward. We are sick of FEAR. We are sick of WAR. We are so tired of waiting.

Hey, Mr. Trump...You got all that dough. Give a little up in the name of FREEDOM. In the name of FORGIVENESS. In the name of EVERYONE'S GOD...for God's sake.

Where, or where, have the flowers gone? Up someone's greedy ass, if you ask me.

Take a minute and think about the survivors of the most horrific experience our country has every suffered. Think about the babies, children, mothers and fathers of the people of Iraq, Africa, South America, Asia, India, inner-city Detroit and ALL that suffer, starve and die each day to satisfy the greedy and the Powers that Be. Think about the many, many people all over the World who are dying of AIDS while we send arms to kill more and more...ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD, if you are to ask our President and Power Holders all over the World.

What will it take? Do we all need to be Catholic? Christian? Moslem? Buddhist? Born-Again and Again and AGAIN...UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT???

Money = Power. That seems to be the theme in this equation. Get it?

It takes MONEY to make things right. It takes MONEY to see sights, to do good, to feed the hungry. I hate the thought of working so hard...but I know now what needs to be done.

It's a tough Life...gotta get back to work.

We love NY.

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War on (fill in the blank)...
Posted by: Trazom on Sep 11, 2007 9:45 AM   
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is codespeak for "We want to control something very important to us, because it is so very profitable."

Witness the War on Drugs. What has it done? Created an entire black market economy for the US, and helped fuel an enormous crime wave and increased weapons sales. Yet drugs are just as prevalent now as they were before this insanity.

Now we have the War on Terror. Can you guess what the results will be?

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We were never meant to win it......
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 11, 2007 11:09 AM   
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Get this straight...we're not in it to win it!! Our Gov't knew about the planned attacks and they let it go down. The folks they called 'enemy' were our pals while the Russian/Afgan War was brewing. Weapons is big business!! Weapons is how we make money. We sell metric tons of them all over the World. So why are'nt we winning?
The 'Terroeists' are a shadowy