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War on Iraq

Five Things for Dems to Keep in Mind When Gen. Petraeus Testifies on Iraq

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times. Posted September 7, 2007.


Iraq commander Gen. Petraeus will testify next week on the "progress" in Iraq. Congress owes it to the public to expose the Pentagon's cooked-up numbers on the recent death count.
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Here's what will definitely happen when Gen. David Petraeus testifies before Congress next week: he'll assert that the surge has reduced violence in Iraq -- as long as you don't count Sunnis killed by Sunnis, Shiites killed by Shiites, Iraqis killed by car bombs and people shot in the front of the head.

Here's what I'm afraid will happen: Democrats will look at Gen. Petraeus's uniform and medals and fall into their usual cringe. They won't ask hard questions out of fear that someone might accuse them of attacking the military. After the testimony, they'll desperately try to get Republicans to agree to a resolution that politely asks President Bush to maybe, possibly, withdraw some troops, if he feels like it.

There are five things I hope Democrats in Congress will remember.

First, no independent assessment has concluded that violence in Iraq is down. On the contrary, estimates based on morgue, hospital and police records suggest that the daily number of civilian deaths is almost twice its average pace from last year. And a recent assessment by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office found no decline in the average number of daily attacks.

So how can the military be claiming otherwise? Apparently, the Pentagon has a double super secret formula that it uses to distinguish sectarian killings (bad) from other deaths (not important); according to press reports, all deaths from car bombs are excluded, and one intelligence analyst told The Washington Post that "if a bullet went through the back of the head, it's sectarian. If it went through the front, it's criminal." So the number of dead is down, as long as you only count certain kinds of dead people.

Oh, and by the way: Baghdad is undergoing ethnic cleansing, with Shiite militias driving Sunnis out of much of the city. And guess what? When a Sunni enclave is eliminated and the death toll in that district falls because there's nobody left to kill, that counts as progress by the Pentagon's metric.

Second, Gen. Petraeus has a history of making wildly overoptimistic assessments of progress in Iraq that happen to be convenient for his political masters.

I've written before about the op-ed article Gen. Petraeus published six weeks before the 2004 election, claiming "tangible progress" in Iraq. Specifically, he declared that "Iraqi security elements are being rebuilt," that "Iraqi leaders are stepping forward" and that "there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security." A year later, he declared that "there has been enormous progress with the Iraqi security forces."

But now two more years have passed, and the independent commission of retired military officers appointed by Congress to assess Iraqi security forces has recommended that the national police force, which is riddled with corruption and sectarian influence, be disbanded, while Iraqi military forces "will be unable to fulfill their essential security responsibilities independently over the next 12-18 months."

Third, any plan that depends on the White House recognizing reality is an idle fantasy. According to The Sydney Morning Herald, on Tuesday Mr. Bush told Australia's deputy prime minister that "we're kicking ass" in Iraq. Enough said.

Fourth, the lesson of the past six years is that Republicans will accuse Democrats of being unpatriotic no matter what the Democrats do. Democrats gave Mr. Bush everything he wanted in 2002; their reward was an ad attacking Max Cleland, who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam, that featured images of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Finally, the public hates this war and wants to see it ended. Voters are exasperated with the Democrats, not because they think Congressional leaders are too liberal, but because they don't see Congress doing anything to stop the war.

In light of all this, you have to wonder what Democrats, who according to The New York Times are considering a compromise that sets a "goal" for withdrawal rather than a timetable, are thinking. All such a compromise would accomplish would be to give Republicans who like to sound moderate -- but who always vote with the Bush administration when it matters -- political cover.

And six or seven months from now it will be the same thing all over again. Mr. Bush will stage another photo op at Camp Cupcake, the Marine nickname for the giant air base he never left on his recent visit to Iraq. The administration will move the goal posts again, and the military will come up with new ways to cook the books and claim success.

One thing is for sure: like 2004, 2008 will be a "khaki election" in which Republicans insist that a vote for the Democrats is a vote against the troops. The only question is whether they can also, once again, claim that the Democrats are flip-floppers who can't make up their minds.

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My 5 top 10 list of things for these worthless shits to remember..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Sep 7, 2007 12:30 PM   
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1.st: They are the Worst Congress in the History of the United States

2nd. They have completely blown the trust and respect of the American people who elected them..!

3rd: The blood of every dead and wounded America soldier is now on their hands..

4th Even G.W. Bush thinks they are stupid and gutless pusillanimous self serving shits..and easily manipulated to his will..

5th: If this were Japan there would be a mass Hari Kari ceremony on the steps of the Capital building and America would be much better for it..!

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» RE: Stick a fork in it Posted by: jefhadist
Vacation in Baghdad!!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 7, 2007 12:38 PM   
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The problem with numbers in is that they can be subject to interpretation, but anyone who wants to interpet them.

While it would be naive to think you can trust the Military's assessment 100%, it's also naive to think you can trust the dems 100% in their pessimistic assessment. The truth is somewhere in between for sure..

Like it or not, dems have to go along with the person on the ground (military) as their (dems) info does not come from actual experience, nor does the repubs. They all will also spin any info their way.

It’s apparent Bush wants a foothold in the region and is intent on securing it. The problem of getting out is greater than that of going in.. we are in for the long haul for sure! But when 6 years later one still see's "welcome " messages from Bin Laden you have to wonder what the hell we are doing over there..maybe it's really one big vacation!

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» RE: Vacation in Baghdad!! Posted by: umrayya
» RE: Vacation in Baghdad!! Posted by: dmaciewski
» RE: Vacation in Baghdad!! Posted by: umrayya
» RE: Vacation in Baghdad!! Posted by: jefhadist
I forgot...
Posted by: dover23 on Sep 7, 2007 12:51 PM   
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Who's paying for this war again?

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» RE: I forgot... Posted by: jefhadist
Bizby
Posted by: Bizby on Sep 7, 2007 12:52 PM   
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NEED FACT CHECK HELP: I read yesterday that in Anbar province (where the surge has reportedly been a success) there are fewer U.S. troops today than there were before the surge began. The reason for the decrease is the shifting allegiances among Iraqi sects--some in Anbar provinces are not fighting along side US troops rather than against them. Hence, the success in Anbar has had nothing to do with more troops.

Does anyone know where I can confirm this???

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How and Why Does Warmongering Work?
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Sep 7, 2007 1:10 PM   
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Mr. Krugman is once again right on target in his analysis. From a psychological perspective, it's also important to consider how and why this warmongering has "worked" so effectively. I've tried to address these questions in a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War” that I recently completed. It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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Paul Krugman can't say "oil war", can he?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 7, 2007 1:22 PM   
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The number one benchmark that Petraeus, the White House and Congress have been pressuring the Iraq Parliament to pass is the hydrocarbon law, which will provide, in the newspeak language of the corporate press,

"A stable legal framework that will allow desperately needed foreign investment to come in and revitalize Iraq's sagging oil industry for the great benefit of the peoples of Iraq"

Translating newspeak is difficult because newspeak involves simplifying complex topics down to the level that a young child can understand and then repeating, repeating, repeating (to quote Josef Goebbels). Since information is lost, recovering the actual intent always involves a bit of guesswork.

The New York Times wants to bury the oil issue at this 'critical point', i.e. when Petraeus comes to Congress in an attempt to continue selling the war to the US public.

Congress is more or less on board the Bush plan, with all the Republicans and a significant chunk of the Democrats backing a continued troop presence in Iraq as 'necessary to provide security' for the ongoing plans to privatize, not only the oil, but also the electricity, water and telecommunications systems. Exxon is cheering, as are many others.

What better way is there to inspire the insurgency to greater efforts?

At the NYT we just have the usual propaganda monkeys banging away at their typewriters with their blindfolds on and corks stuffed in their ears.

Meanwhile the puppet leaders of Iraq are busy pimping their natural resources to international corporate interests, as reported at the excellent http://www.iraqoilreport.com/

"In the long term Iraq will be the next land for investment," Industry Minister Fawzi Hariri said. "There will not be another part of this planet that provides so much promise and so many opportunities … with quick, great return as Iraq will..."

A few days ago Bush slipped into Iraq:
"Bush met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, vice presidents Adel Abdul Mehdi and Tareq al-Hashemi, President Jalal Talabani, Deputy Prime Minister Barham Saleh, and Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdistan Regional Government, two Shiite Arabs, one Sunni Arab and three Kurds."

So while Krugman gets worked up over Petraeus' dishonest accounting of Iraqi deaths, the real story goes by unnoticed.

In Vietnam, I believe they had similar arguments over the 'actual body counts', with liberal pundits claiming that Pentagon officials were artificially inflating the numbers of enemy dead while underestimating the numbers of wounded and killed American and South Vietnamese Army troops... which is essentially what Krugman is complaining about in this article.

Why would the NYT run with this agenda? Begin by examining their corporate board of directors. A few major luminaries include:

Brenda C. Barnes: of Sara Lee and Pepsico (bottled Iraqi water?)
Raul E. Cesan: Schering-Plough (Big Pharma and IPRs)
David E Liddle: Telecom and broadband investor (privatize those Iraqi phone lines!)
Ellen R Marram: Eli Lilly and Ford MotorCo. executive
William E Kennard: Managing director of the Carlyle Group (major Iraqi war hogs)
And so on...

So, the NYT global corporate privatization agenda should be pretty clear - they're just whining because it's been handled 'so poorly'.

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The Dems....
Posted by: opeluboy on Sep 7, 2007 3:46 PM   
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...will prove the Repugs right again. They are worse than useless.

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» RE: The Dems.... Posted by: jefhadist
COLD HARD TRUTH
Posted by: Missing Piece on Sep 7, 2007 6:10 PM   
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Democrats will never pull all the troops out, because it would be political suicide. Just look at what they did to Carter when he tried to get us off oil. As long as you buy middle eastern oil then our children will die to secure it.

Corporations run this world but only because we hand them our money.

Main stream media lies to us but only because its what we want to hear so there rating go up.

Everything is profit driven, so don't give them your money. Buy food from your farmers market, spend money at mom and pops or support small local business's.

The powerful understand us more then you could imagine. remember this the next time you have the urge to support them.

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» RE: COLD HARD TRUTH Posted by: Dboy
Scripted in the White House
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 7, 2007 8:04 PM   
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Whatever this General says next has already been scripted in the White House. From Day 1, the "surge" was going to be deemed a "success" by the spinmeisters in the White House. How easy to fool the gullible American public. A few less dead soldiers for a month or two (by keeping them in closed based and not out on patrols) and some crooked talk about pulling out perhaps a brigade by the end of 2008 (5000 soldiers out of over 160,000, whoppee, if even this ever happens). Next, the press, led by our objective FOX news is bragging about GW having "succeeded" in Iraq. Now, just like the supposed WMD's that led up to this foolish war, the deception from Washington is non-stop. As for honesty, the only General who ever really told the truth about this fiasco is gone now. General Shenseki, who told Congress it would take probably 300,000 plus troops to pacify Iraq, got shown the door. A lesson for those of flag rank now, that they better play by the White Houses rule book, or they are out the door.

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» RE: Scripted in the White House Posted by: jefhadist
Being a yes-man has it's perks
Posted by: dfish on Sep 7, 2007 9:09 PM   
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General Petraeus started the war as a two start Major-General in '03. I guess being a freind of the White House pays off. In four short years Petreaus has be promoted twice. Now he is a four star General, their highest rank. All he had to do was keep quite, and pretend every thing is AOK. Just write a glowing report for us and will make your retirment very cozy. How about a lucritive lobbying job?

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I don't get it...
Posted by: Schroeder on Sep 8, 2007 8:46 AM   
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I can't help but wonder why it is that anyone believes that Petraeus is going to say anything except what Bush wants him to say. God, I am so sick of this stupid carnival. I am also sick of a Congress who is still willing to pretend that they can work with this administration on anything. There is just one solution and, let's face it, if it takes up too much time, maybe Bush and Cheney won't have time to go to war with Iran. IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY...IMPEACH THEM NOW!!!

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» RE: I don't get it... Posted by: Constitutionalist75
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» RE: I don't get it... Posted by: Dboy
Krugman ignores the single greatest cause of Iraqi deaths
Posted by: umrayya on Sep 8, 2007 9:38 AM   
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What a shame that Krugman can only bring himself to mention Iraqis who are killed by Iraqis. What a shame that he does not even hint at the fact that not only are very large numbers of Iraqi civilians still being killed by American occupation forces, American-fired bombs and bullets are the single greatest cause of Iraqi deaths.

This is particularly the case now since, despite the fact that this has not been widely reported, The Surge™ has included a more than twofold increase in American aerial attacks on urban areas. Aerial attacks - even with so-called "smart" bombs - are notoriously indiscriminate and result in disproportionate civilian casualties and destruction of homes and other structures (destruction of homes and infrastructure by American forces is responsible for a major part of the refugee problem).

The first Johns Hopkins/Al Mustansariya mortality study, conducted in Iraq in 2004, found that the single greatest cause of Iraqi deaths since March, 2003 was "coalition" - in other words, American - aerial attacks. The second Hopkins/Mustansariya study, conducted last year, found that the single greatest cause of Iraqi deaths was attacks by "coalition" - in other words, American - forces. The study also found that over time the number of Iraqis killed by "coalition" forces per unit time has steadily increased, along with the overall number of Iraqis killed per unit time.

With the great increase in American aerial attacks on urban neighborhoods, including in very densely populated parts of Baghdad, it should be obvious that The Surge™ is resulting in a concomitant increase in American-caused Iraqi deaths.

So, why can't even a good guy like Krugman admit that Americans are killing more Iraqis than any other source of violence? Well, maybe he doesn't know - after all, the Bush regime and the military devote unprecedented resources to "information management", and it is certainly true that most American-caused Iraqi deaths are hidden from the public and never reported in the media, or they are misrepresented. Or maybe he just forgot to include that piece of the story. Or maybe, like so many other Americans, he just doesn't want to look at that part of the picture.

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Who should finance the war, anyway?
Posted by: jcutler9 on Sep 8, 2007 10:38 AM   
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It is understood that with any business venture, the industry or business expecting to reap the profits finances it. Example, if you want to make money raising chickens, you invest money to raise those chickens. Ergo, the oil and military equipment corporations should have undertaken to finance the invasion and occupation of Iraq, then they would have a right to the profits therefrom. Instead, they con the govt into financing it (through taxes on entities other than themselves, and through borrowing from China) and even get the govt to pay for all their equipment, infrastructure, and personnel, yet they, the M/I complex, reap the profits. Doesn't compute, at least, not in my book. But then, I am not an economist. Not even an accountant. Guess if i went back to school i could figure it out. Please forgive me if i am way off base on this.

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Anyway it is too late to save this country
Posted by: zyclop on Sep 8, 2007 1:53 PM   
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As I have stated already in a comment:
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Anyway it is too late to save this country

So, in my opinion as a Non-US citizen the best the Democrats could do is really cave in to everything the GOP Neocon Government is asking for AND have no one running for the President job.
Let the Republican Party wreck this country all by themselves.
Thus the Democrats would avoid getting any blame for the impending disaster.
hint: "nucular" devices over time in several major cities.
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For Gods sake just keep Democrats from having run someone for President.
That would be the ultimate humiliation for this country.
To have a Democrat President for four years at the mercy and the whims of the Republican Party.

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Anyway most commentators are wasting
Posted by: zyclop on Sep 8, 2007 3:37 PM   
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too much time for bashing the "messengers" instead of lauding them for speaking out at all.
We all know what can happen to you in this country when you do.
You will not be killed as they do in Russia; but there are other ways to muzzle.

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how about the jobs???
Posted by: richholland on Sep 9, 2007 3:57 AM   
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if the war in Iraq stops many american workers for halliburton and friends have to come back to the USA and have no jobs anymore.........

if the americans leave Iraq without access to the oil all the deads are in vain.....

did mr.Bush have any other option, because your own peak oil is not enough for the cars in your country..
what alternatives were there for President Saddam who could not produce enough oil anymore??

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» RE: how about the jobs??? Posted by: jefhadist
Selective amnesia
Posted by: jefhadist on Sep 9, 2007 5:58 AM   
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seems to affect more and more people every day. We can't even remember what happened last week, let alone last year or in 2004. The same old bullshit can thus be fed to the people and they simplistically slop it up and mix another drink. We were just talking about nazi germany last night and having a hard time NOT making comparisons with then and now. Who was is who said if you can't remember history you are doomed to repeat it? Who was it who said love your neighbor as yourself? Who was it who said be close to your friends but be closer still to your so-called enemies? Who was it? Who was it who said keep telling the people over and over what you want them to hear and pretty soon they believe it? (or just tune you out) I can't remember?

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