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War on Iraq

The Real Reason Why Fewer U.S. Soldiers Are Dying in Iraq

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted August 13, 2007.


Mindful of the political fallout from the rising American death toll in Iraq, the U.S. military has pulled back from widespread use of aggressive tactics with ground troops this summer.
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The number of U.S. military fatalities declined to 80 in July after three months of a death toll in the triple digits (104 in April, 126 in May, and 101 in June). The lower death toll has been cited by some U.S. commanders in Iraq and Bush administration supporters in Washington as a sign that President George W. Bush's "surge" of U.S. troops is working.

But the sources told me that the lower death toll reflects not some impending victory but just a slowdown in the U.S. ground offensive after the early phases of the surge, which poured more than 20,000 additional troops into Iraq. The sources cited a variety of factors contributing to the decline in U.S. casualties.

One U.S. military source said the American troops have not pushed as far from their forward operating bases as the U.S. news media has been led to believe. When Bush unveiled the surge, a key goal was to get American forces out of their secure bases and into small police outposts in Iraqi neighborhoods.

The exposure of U.S. troops to the additional hazard of such front-line assignments was a factor in the upswing of American deaths in the early months of the surge. This forward positioning also presented risks for U.S. logistical personnel who had to brave roadside bombs and ambushes to supply these isolated units.

Further complicating those assignments was the brutal summer heat -- reaching temperatures of 130 degrees -- at a time when electricity in many Iraqi neighborhoods is spotty at best. By slowing or postponing these deployments, the dangers to the troops -- not to mention their discomfort -- were reduced.

Still, this source said the decline in violent incidents involving U.S. troops could be viewed as a combination of two factors -- a drop-off in activity by the Iraqi insurgency as well as a pull-back by the Americans.

Another source said the precise reason for the reduced U.S. military activity inside Iraq wasn't entirely clear, but noted that the slowdown in the Iraqi theater was in sharp contrast to more aggressive operations in Afghanistan.

A decline in American activity in Iraq also has been noted by Israeli intelligence, another source said, raising some concern in Tel Aviv that the U.S. military was shying away from offensive operations to avoid higher casualties that would further undermine political support for the war in the United States.

The source said some Israeli officials want the Americans to keep taking the fight to the enemy.

July heat

It's also possible that the brutal heat has a lot to do with the slower pace of the fighting, by discouraging operations by both guerrillas and U.S. troops. Since the war began, July has been one of the least deadly months for U.S. troops.

Indeed, compared to earlier July casualty reports, the July 2007 death toll of 80 was the worst of the war for U.S. troops. In July 2003, 48 American soldiers died; in July 2004, the death toll was 54; in July 2005, it was 54; in July 2006, it was 43.

U.S. military officials and Bush administration war supporters, however, have cited the decline in American deaths this July -- compared with the previous three months -- as one of several positive indicators that Bush's surge strategy is making progress.

These supporters also have hailed signs of increased cooperation with Sunni tribal leaders in Anbar province, once considered an insurgent stronghold. Over the past few weeks, the U.S. military has escorted analysts from several Washington think tanks to areas of relative calm in Iraq, leading to some glowing reports.

Typical was an op-ed piece in the New York Times by Michael E. O'Hanlon and Kenneth M. Pollack of the Brookings Institution, who portrayed themselves as tough critics of the Bush administration's strategy who, after a visit to Iraq, concluded that Bush's surge was succeeding.

"As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily 'victory' but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with," O'Hanlon and Pollack wrote in an article entitled "A War We Just Might Win."

Yet the authors -- and the New York Times -- failed to tell readers the full story about these supposed skeptics: far from grizzled peaceniks, O'Hanlon and Pollack have been longtime cheerleaders for a larger U.S. military occupying force in Iraq.

Pollack, a former CIA analyst, was a leading advocate for invading Iraq in the first place. He published The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq in September 2002, just as the Bush administration was gearing up its marketing push for going to war.


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Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, can be ordered atneckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, "Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq" and "Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth'" are also available there.

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Deaths in decline?
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 13, 2007 12:29 AM   
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Not from where im looking at buddy!

Neither in Iraq

Nor in Afghanistan

Can you spell wishful thinking;=)?

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» RE: Deaths in decline? Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: Deaths in decline? Posted by: lagring
The Psychology of Warmongering
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Aug 13, 2007 3:38 AM   
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For those interested in a psychological analysis of warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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Phoney war
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 13, 2007 3:50 AM   
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It has been like this for much of the past six years: troops hang out at bases, eat donuts, email home, workout. It is basically a phoney war and is why there is no dominance of the 'battle space'. If they were really out across the country fighting, casualty figures would be going somewhere near where they were in Vietnam: 800 a week. It then makes you wonder what the war is about, and what are its true goals. It seems unwinnable by the terms we are told, so it must be about not winning it. Maybe there is something else coming around the horizon?

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Alternet Alter-Desperate
Posted by: Matt Sanchez on Aug 13, 2007 3:50 AM   
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You know something is right when Alternet complains there's not enough killing.

Your "anonymous source" sounds like he's not even in Baghdad.

American Forces have

1. Increased patrols
2. Increased presence in neighborhoods where they previously were not
3. Increased aid and intelligence from the local population that is not interested in a socialist revolution, but wants security.
4. Increased cooperation with Iraqi authorities.

Sorry Alternet and its disgruntled readership would prefer to cross their fingers for defeat or just personally attack me out of sheer desperation. What a pathetic smearsheet this site is. I would say you should be ashamed of yourselves but you are soul less animals.

Matt Sanchez
Baghdad, Sadr City

This is what Baghdad Really Looks like.

Matt-Sanchez.com

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Count the contractors as well
Posted by: farhada on Aug 13, 2007 4:42 AM   
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The US government is outsourcing the war to contractors. The number of dead contractors is increasing all the time, and those bastards who have the license to kill and can not be accounted for their crimes are doing the dirty deed of Pentagon.

July has always been a low activity number in the region, there are not many people who can stand the 40-50 degrees heat (I don't know the Fahrenheit value but I guess it is 110-130).

Mr. Sanchez should be very proud to know that those neighborhoods that he calls calm, are mainly calm because 1000s of their inhabitants were either forced to leave or left out of fear of being kidnapped and tortured by various gangs. This is the stability you bastards are bragging about, in modern world they would call them ethnic cleansing.

/Farhad

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» RE: Count the contractors as well Posted by: Matt Sanchez
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Death totals are even higher
Posted by: Democritus on Aug 13, 2007 5:07 AM   
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Based on studies conducted by the British medical journal, Lancet, Iraqi deaths attributable to our invasion and occupation of Iraq exceed one million. As many as two million more Iraqis have been displaced and are now refugees. Now that Great Britain is planning to withdraw its troops from Basra, Mr. Bush's "surge" will, in all likelihood, be extended there, as well.

PR flacks like Pollack and O'Hanlon continue to get space in the Times to paint a rosy picture out of the blood that has been shed in this costly war. But the situation in Iraq is getting worse, not better, and our occupation only exacerbates our difficulties. The only remedy worth trying is the 12-point plan outlined by Dennis Kucinich. We need to replace our military occupation with UN peacekeeping forces to quell the bloodshed; we need a diplomatic offensive with the major players in the region--including Iran and Syria; we need to give up the dream of cheap Iraqi oil administered by foreign oil companies. In short, we need to take our big bear-like paw out of the hornet's nest we have created in Iraq, let go of the oil laws that rest like honey within that nest, and give up on the dream that just because we have the military might we can dictate terms to the rest of the world.

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GREAT EXPECTATIONS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 13, 2007 7:17 AM   
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Sorry that the death count is disappointing to some of you. Hanging out, eating donuts, not enough action. Well the newly appointed War Czar has stated that it may be time to think about a draft. So be patient, you won't want to miss any of it. Who knows you might get lucky and see it all for yourselves, right up close at 130 degrees F. The military is exhausted to the point that even the dogs are tired. Some of you ought to find out what's really going on. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: GREAT EXPECTATIONS Posted by: hellofriends
War is profitable
Posted by: scott balogh on Aug 13, 2007 7:17 AM   
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Let us fight them over there and we won't have to fight them here. With this kind of logic we start the war. The US military is a huge cheap workforce that puts money in the pockets of a few. Making the weapons and the supporting apparatus that is necessary for the military operations is profitable. As long as the military is occupied doing what they are trained to do, the few big boys are making money. Hey, and let us not forget the stockholders. I wonder how many anti-war people have invested in the military industry and are not even aware of it.

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» What do you suggest Posted by: teufelhunde
Most of the Children in the Video look too thin
Posted by: sarahk on Aug 13, 2007 7:24 AM   
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Looking at the group of children in the video, although there was one overweight child, all the rest of the group looked much too thin. Look how big their eyes are in their skinny faces.
Unfortunanetly since the war, malnutrition and diarrhea among children in Iraq has dramatically increased their death rate. Early in the war, US bombing of the electrical plants (which also powered the water system) caused a breakdown of the sewage system. Since then, many children have died from dirty water.
Also, the CPA, in all their wisdom, removed many families off the food ration list that had kept many children healthy and well-fed for decades. I think we wanted to teach the Iraqi Welfare Mommas to "stand on their own feet", but the policy just resulted in dead and hungry kids and babies.
I wonder how many of the children in the video will still be alive in a year's time. Also, how many of the older boys will have joined their neighborhood militias. As the video was filmed in Sadr city, many of the fathers of these children are probably part of the Mahdi Army. We will be arresting, shooting and/or bombing some of those kids and/or their families sooner or later. It's a miserable situation.

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Numbers are a bit off.
Posted by: messedup on Aug 13, 2007 7:50 AM   
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First. http://icasualties.org/oif/ The months previous average was about 1 more soldier per day, but it don't matter. The averages are close, we are losing about three soldiers per day.

That sanchez guy is an idiot, you could summarize his words by saying, oh we threw lots more money at it and we increased our cooperation with Iraqi authorities after 5 years of bombing - oh boy.

We are just beginning to learn how to thwart IED's, which is just a home-made bomb, it was never about democratizing Iraq, it was more about war profiteering and following the Israel Chaos policy.

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"The real Reason"
Posted by: hillstar on Aug 13, 2007 8:07 AM   
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I liked your article , but when you state that:" the Iraqi parliament adjourned for a month-long recess, leaving unresolved legislative disputes about sharing oil revenues and giving Sunnis a bigger stake in the government." you need to add that the reason the Iraqi Government did not approve the so called OIL Law is that Iraqis are united in opposing it ,as it would give the rights to explore and exploit the oil reserves to foreign and US companies, leaving the Iraqis very meager profits... The US media does not talk about it, but there are articles in theforeign press about this issue.

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» RE: "The real Reason" Posted by: Sushi
maturity
Posted by: hellofriends on Aug 13, 2007 8:13 AM   
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what does it say about your ability to make a convincing argument (never mind your maturity and decency) without resorting to "porn boy" attacks? how can you claim to want to end the war thousands of miles away while you sit there and launch personal warfare from your computer desk?

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Not to be all Conspirasaurus Rex or anything...
Posted by: MadFlacc on Aug 13, 2007 8:18 AM   
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... but was anyone else creeped out/ angered by this?

The source said some Israeli officials want the Americans to keep taking the fight to the enemy.

This is just stated and kind of left hanging there, as if the author had no opinion... which I find difficult to believe. And look at the way it's phrased: taking the fight to the enemy. Advice to the author: if that's a quotation, put it in quotation marks. Otherwise, it sounds like you're giving a backhand endorsement to the war-mongers who dominate the Israeli government.

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sanchez and alternet
Posted by: hellofriends on Aug 13, 2007 9:06 AM   
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there are videos of iraqi children being happy, but there are also videos of iraqi children having their limbs torn off. it brings me joy to see children in a war zone laughing and smiling, but this is not an argument for war. gather a group of kids anywhere in the world around a camera and a foreigner and offer them gum and sweets and you'll elicit some smiles.

i find it disturbing that "conservatives" generally try to make any effort to show that the war is going well because it vindicates their ideology. conversely, i find it disturbing that "liberals" generally try to make any effort to show that the war is not going well because it vindicates their ideology. from everything i've heard, read and seen, and from family members of mine who have been in iraq during the war, i believe very firmly that this occupation is a horrible tragedy (not to mention the fact that the intention to invade was criminal.)

matt sanchez: it seems to me that you are in iraq to prove a preconceived (and i believe misconceived) idea. why not use your geographical vantage point to see things for what they really are, rather than just trying to prove some kind of political thesis?

alternet: i can't help but think that if the August death toll were 0 many of you would desperately seek recourse to explain it in a way that somehow reflects badly upon your political enemies. for every article like this one here you'll see another one like this. people die. democrats good. people no die. democrats bad. although if taken with a grain of salt alternet can be a good resource, but usually it is just as blinded by its own pride of ideas as the national review.

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» RE: sanchez and alternet Posted by: solrev
» You are not showing facts Posted by: skoog5600
The real reason the death toll is low....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 13, 2007 9:36 AM   
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Because it's an election year,Francine! This is old window dressing in a vague attempt to get folks to vote for Mr. Yahoo or Ms. Dohdoe.
You have to pull the troops back. How else are you going to have candidates postulating how they're going to handle the war,if hundreds die every month. It takes focus away from the campaign shit-factory,where they want you to look, and you're confronted with the reality or kids are dieing for an unjust,illegal operation.Worse yet,for Oil!
When you start an illegal war there is no easy way out.
Except one. The new Governance declares the former administration's actions 'criminal' and serves them up for trial at the Hague. If we want our kids to stop being bulletcatchers,we have to take some very large steps. I think there's more than enough folks that are sick as hell of killing. Not just here,but, around the world. We start a campaign of NON-AGGRESSION. We sign pacts with our nieghbor nations of non-aggression and fair trade. The same with the rest of the world. Then we start making good on our promises. The Govt's trouble is it has never made a deal in good faith. It has always had a 'glad hand extended with a knife behind it's back' Sorry, but I thibk there's a whole bunch of us that are way better than that. I think we want meaningful chamge that results in a more peaceful world where society is raised up as a whole and you can sleep at night without feeling there's a plot brewing.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez....Think Outside the System

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» Dear Alternet Posted by: hellofriends
» Alternet: Silencing opponents? Posted by: teufelhunde
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Rise of leberalism & decline of US
Posted by: eretzisrael on Aug 13, 2007 11:36 AM   
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Sad but not surprising to see liberals wishing the death of their own soldiers. We have mandatory military service in Israel, and most of us are proud to serve. Except for some orthodox nut-jobs & the traitor "arab-israelis" all serve in IDF.

What is wrong with you Americans? Don't you enjoy the benefits of living in a rich, free country?

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Dear Alternet
Posted by: hellofriends on Aug 13, 2007 2:19 PM   
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if you want to censor someone's post, why wouldn't you censor the many comments on this page that insult a particular poster for being gay and making gay porn movies? could it be that you let homophobic hate-speech slide when it's politically expedient? could it be that your entire unspoken ethos and the policies whence ejaculated follow suit with the same purpose of obfuscating the truth for the sake of political expedience? there are true progressives in this world. you do not give their voices a respectable context.

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Privatizing warfare/The Indypendent
Posted by: BBaumer on Aug 13, 2007 2:23 PM   
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This is a really good article. For more info on the U.S.'s machinations in Iraq, check out the latest edition of The Indypendent, Indymedia NYC's newspaper. There's some great articles by NYTimes best seller Jeremy Scahill.

"The Mercenary Revolution: Flush with Profits from the Iraq War, Military Contractors See a World of Business Opportunities."

http://www.indypendent.org/?p=1230

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The first casualty of war is always "Truth"
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 13, 2007 2:58 PM   
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Some old sayings bear repeating. Add to it Izzy Stone's "All governments lie."

From me: "Call them *ragheads* so no one will notice."

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REAL IRAQ
Posted by: Matt Sanchez on Aug 13, 2007 3:38 PM   
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A typical soldier gives his point of view on a Baghdad neighborhood he has patrolled since the "surge" began. He's in the same neighborhood the "Baghdad Diarist" wrote about.

Baghdad Neighborhood--The Real Iraq

Matt Sanchez

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» Your argument is getting boring Posted by: teufelhunde
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Call it what it is: genocide with ethnic cleansing
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 13, 2007 4:38 PM   
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All supported by covert US operations as well as more use of indiscriminate air bombing. This is all well described at http://www.antiwar.com/orig/schwartz.php?articleid=8338:

"The first of these key themes is the one that was most prominently commented upon. Hersh broke the story – which is now all over the mainstream press – that the U.S. is going to try a new military strategy in Iraq: more intensive air power and less intensive foot patrols. This will involve fewer U.S. offensive operations (like those in western Anbar that involved evacuating whole cities), increased use of Iraqi armed forces in high-resistance areas, and a massive increase in the use of aerial attacks...

...The logic of air power (since Guernica in the Spanish Civil War) has always involved a predominant element of "bombing the population into submission." The U.S. military leadership hopes to so injure the population that it cries "uncle," delivers resistance fighters to the occupation, and begins cooperating with the occupation – all in order to stop the punishment."


Now, this is a strategy that was reported on by Sy Hersch in late 2005, and what this means is that more and more Iraqis are being killed by aerial terror attacks.

Now for the second, nastier theme:
"Second, this change in strategy is an attempt to find a better way to fight the resistance, since the search-and-destroy operations have failed miserably, even as they have inflicted incredible destruction and carnage in the cities under attack. But it also means a more explicit use of state terror....

Whether or not the targets were insurgents, the disregard for the lives of civilians trapped inside the buildings demolished by air attacks is part of a larger pattern articulated by an American officer to NY Times reporter Dexter Filkins early in the war: "The new strategy must punish not only the guerrillas, but also make clear to ordinary Iraqis the cost of not cooperating."

This is terrorism by definition – attacking the civilian population to get it to withdraw support from the enemy. The change in strategy, therefore, represents the embrace of terrorism as the principle tactic for subduing the Iraqi resistance...


This is probably what Petraeus was brought in to mastermind - the expansion of death squads and similar, Operation Phoenix-style activities - probably aimed at the Iraqi oil unions as much as at dividing the country up into manageable satraps. This is described as follows:

"This is not an Iraqi policy – it is an American one. This very policy – of using Shi'ites and Kurds against Sunnis – has been the trigger for the long wave of car bombings by Sunnis against Shia targets. Moreover, the U.S. is running the parts of the Ministry of the Interior that command the Wolf Brigade and other special forces that commit terrorist attacks against Sunni clerics who support the resistance, as well as other Sunni leaders. The use of Shia and Kurdish forces in Sunni areas has become a linchpin of U.S. military policy, and it is the key provocation that has redirected Sunni anger toward Shia and Kurds. That sectarian violence is the chief dynamic leading to civil war."

Of course, the US military PR Office (see Matt S. above) is doing all it can to cover up the real situation, with the active help of the US corporate press, such as the slavish 'reporters' at the NYT.

The fact of the matter is that Bush, Cheney, Gates, Lute and Petraeus are carrying out a program of ethnic cleansing and deliberate genocide in Iraq, for which they should all be tried at the Hague for war crimes against humanity.

There's 200,000 dead in Sudan, and 1,000,000 dead in Iraq - so which is the greater genocide?

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If Less are Really Dying - Why So Many Troops - Why No Withdrawls?
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 13, 2007 5:38 PM   
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The USA still has over 150,000 uniform troops, probably another 10-20 thousand special forces (they are not counted in the troop numbers by the military) and easily several hundred thousand contractors in Iraq. But, if Iraq is suddenly becoming "safer," why do we not hear GW Bush gloating and talking about withdrawing some of them. No, all he does is hem and haw, and talk about "continuing the surge" indefinitely. So, we supposedly have progress, but friends, it is described as "progress" that does not allow for the withdrawl, even in small numbers, of US forces. And, the American people swallow this baloney because 10 or 20 less US troops die in a particular month. You have to watch the behavior of our politicians to see what is really going on. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. Never mind, by the way, how many Iraqi's continue to be killed, or the tens of thousands of soldiers returning to the USA with post traumatic stress disorder. No we are "making progress." Can I sell you some land on the moon?

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A fate worse than death
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 13, 2007 6:03 PM   
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Now that George's Republican War in Iraq has killed more Iraqis than S.H. where is the democracy and freedom he pledged to give the Iraqis? Regardless of when we leave, all hell will break loose with infighting that will last for years as those seeking power slaughter those who have the power. Great job George.

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Re: Reason -the terminology of the unspoken
Posted by: elisevil on Aug 14, 2007 3:55 AM   
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When you say,
"Exchange the words "progress" for "profit-sharing agreement" and it all makes sense."
you need to change profit-sharing to something more like profit-bribing or profit-stealing. Sharing is hardly the word for what Bush (and Congress) are demanding. The Iraqi's will never pass Bush's law unless they are brought to the very depths of dispair and believe that is the only way the U.S. will allow them to climb out of the pit we have dug for them. As I hear that while 120 degrees Fahrenheit, there is barely any water in Baghdad, I wonder how much longer they can stick it out.

And 30 years of stolen profits takes us out of the global oil dependency. If the Earth has not given up oil/coal within the next 30 years, human life will be endangered in many places due to global warming/chaos. We can hardly talk about the Iraqi occupation without facing the threats of the climate chaos that the use of this dinosaur energy is bringing us.

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I hope more soldiers & contractors are getting injured
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Aug 14, 2007 11:01 AM   
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instead of getting killed. Dead soldiers are soon forgotten, but a disabled, broken one is a burden on the society.
I hope more troops survive but with massive injuries so they become a lesson to other 'volunteers' of how the Empire treats them once they are no longer needed.

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the war is over, how about occupation
Posted by: richholland on Aug 15, 2007 1:49 AM   
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War is an encounter between two groups of soldiers.
So their is no war in IRAQ
I understood the majority of the people want democratie and live in peace.
After the americans saved europe from the nazis we were grateful but happy when the american soldiers went home.

Why all the irakrefugees donot go back from america to build up their country???????

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War in Iraq
Posted by: teufelhunde on Aug 16, 2007 7:47 PM   
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Folks, this is a war, plain and simple. And it is one I want my country to win. I am not old enough to serve...yet. But I plan to, even if Bush was in office (even though technically I can't seeing as he is limited to two terms which are about to expire).

Anyway, I believe there is success in Iraq, and that the surge is going well. Reports from the frontline have been favorable. Al Anbar has been pacified by US Marines, and that province has seen some of the bloodiest insurgency in Iraq. Petraeus is going to make a report in September, which is soon. We will see how well the war is going. And to those of you claiming we cannot believe anybody from the Bush Administration or the military, what makes you believe those people with POLITICAL AGENDAS against the war. They have already bet their political careers on losing the war. They have just as much at stake.

Anyway, thank you to those who listened to my rather conservative derailing comment, although I hope it isn't derailing. Please don't insult me. I just want to hear the other side of the argument. Please respond with rebuttals.

Semper Fidelis.

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» RE: War in Iraq Posted by: sg
» Thanks! Posted by: teufelhunde
» RE: War in Iraq Posted by: leafsong1
Over 2.5 million civilians Iraq almost that many Afghanistan link in
Posted by: SJ on Aug 18, 2007 6:30 PM   
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OVER .5MILLION CHILDREN UNDER 5 YRS OF AGE AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION WOMEN AND MEN CIVILIANS. NIUMBERS NAD FURTHER LINKS TO WAR CRIMES AND OTHER AGAINST THE US AND G. BRITTON FOR GENEVA CONVENTION VIOLATIONS. AFGHANISTAN HAS OVER 1 MIL ALSO , OF COURSE THE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO GROW AND GO UNREPORTED. AT MWC.net numbers and links to human rights groups and where those number come from. SINCE CHINA HAS BEEN A STCKLER IN THE UN NOT LETTING FURTHER SANCTIONS BE TAKEN AGAINST IRAN, HOW ODD SUDDENLY QUALITY AND POISON IS AN ISSUE. WE CAN CUT YOUR TRADE OFF BY SCANDALIZING YOUR GOODS SO OUR PEOPLE WONT BY THEM.. YOUR VOTE SO WE CAN EXPAND OUR WORLD DOMINANCE, AND CUT THE BANKING OFF FROM IRAN. SUDDENLY MR MURDOCH 'S STATIONS AND OF COURSE AP FIND THIS NEWS WORTHY AND SCANDELOUS. I NOW FREQUENT WALMART, WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME TRUTH TO IT AND CHINA GOODS BEING POOR QUALITY, I THINK IT IS A LIE, WHERE IS THE TOOTHPASTE SCANDAL IN CHINA AND ELSE WHERE. LORD WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THESE FACSIST PROPAGANDA PIGS. I'D LIKE TO SHOW THEM SOME OF MY THERAPY FROM THE LEFT IF I COULD GET A ROPE AROUND THIER LIEING NECKS. ALWAYS AUTHORITIES IN SOME ISOLATED PLACES, LIKE PANAMA ONLY OR ARGENTINA. ,CHINA SHIPS GLOBALLY WHO DO THESE ELITE THINK THEY ARE FOOLING. WELL SAY ENOUGH TIMES LIKE CNN DOSE. STOP THE GENOCIDE FOR OIL

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