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War on Iraq

Confessions from U.S. Soldiers in Iraq on the Brutal Treatment of Civilians

By Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian, The Nation. Posted July 13, 2007.


Interviews with 50 Iraq war veterans reveal disturbing patterns of behavior by US troops in Iraq against innocent civilians -- brutal acts that often go unreported and almost always go unpunished.
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Over the past several months The Nation has interviewed fifty combat veterans of the Iraq War from around the United States in an effort to investigate the effects of the four-year-old occupation on average Iraqi civilians. These combat veterans, some of whom bear deep emotional and physical scars, and many of whom have come to oppose the occupation, gave vivid, on-the-record accounts. They described a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts.

Their stories, recorded and typed into thousands of pages of transcripts, reveal disturbing patterns of behavior by American troops in Iraq. Dozens of those interviewed witnessed Iraqi civilians, including children, dying from American firepower. Some participated in such killings; others treated or investigated civilian casualties after the fact. Many also heard such stories, in detail, from members of their unit. The soldiers, sailors and marines emphasized that not all troops took part in indiscriminate killings. Many said that these acts were perpetrated by a minority. But they nevertheless described such acts as common and said they often go unreported -- and almost always go unpunished.

Court cases, such as the ones surrounding the massacre in Haditha and the rape and murder of a 14-year-old in Mah­mudiya, and news stories in the Washington Post, Time, the London Independent and elsewhere based on Iraqi accounts have begun to hint at the wide extent of the attacks on civilians. Human rights groups have issued reports, such as Human Rights Watch's Hearts and Minds: Post-war Civilian Deaths in Baghdad Caused by U.S. Forces, packed with detailed incidents that suggest that the killing of Iraqi civilians by occupation forces is more common than has been acknowledged by military authorities.

This report marks the first time so many on-the-record, named eyewitnesses from within the US military have been assembled in one place to openly corroborate these assertions.

While some veterans said civilian shootings were routinely investigated by the military, many more said such inquiries were rare. "I mean, you physically could not do an investigation every time a civilian was wounded or killed because it just happens a lot and you'd spend all your time doing that," said Marine Reserve Lieut. Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia. He served from August 2004 to March 2005 in Ramadi with a Marine Corps civil affairs unit supporting a combat team with the Second Marine Expeditionary Brigade. (All interviewees are identified by the rank they held during the period of service they recount here; some have since been promoted or demoted.)

Veterans said the culture of this counterinsurgency war, in which most Iraqi civilians were assumed to be hostile, made it difficult for soldiers to sympathize with their victims -- at least until they returned home and had a chance to reflect.

"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi," said Spc. Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado. Specialist Englehart served with the Third Brigade, First Infantry Division, in Baquba, about thirty-five miles northeast of Baghdad, for a year beginning in February 2004. "You know, so what? … The soldiers honestly thought we were trying to help the people and they were mad because it was almost like a betrayal. Like here we are trying to help you, here I am, you know, thousands of miles away from home and my family, and I have to be here for a year and work every day on these missions. Well, we're trying to help you and you just turn around and try to kill us."

He said it was only "when they get home, in dealing with veteran issues and meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then."

The Iraq War is a vast and complicated enterprise. In this investigation of alleged military misconduct, The Nation focused on a few key elements of the occupation, asking veterans to explain in detail their experiences operating patrols and supply convoys, setting up checkpoints, conducting raids and arresting suspects. From these collected snapshots a common theme emerged. Fighting in densely populated urban areas has led to the indiscriminate use of force and the deaths at the hands of occupation troops of thousands of innocents.

Many of these veterans returned home deeply disturbed by the disparity between the reality of the war and the way it is portrayed by the US government and American media. The war the vets described is a dark and even depraved enterprise, one that bears a powerful resemblance to other misguided and brutal colonial wars and occupations, from the French occupation of Algeria to the American war in Vietnam and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory.

"I'll tell you the point where I really turned," said Spc. Michael Harmon, 24, a medic from Brooklyn. He served a thirteen-month tour beginning in April 2003 with the 167th Armor Regiment, Fourth Infantry Division, in Al-Rashidiya, a small town near Baghdad. "I go out to the scene and [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little 2-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs, and I look and she has a bullet through her leg. … An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me, wasn't crying, wasn't anything, it just looked at me like -- I know she couldn't speak. It might sound crazy, but she was like asking me why. You know, Why do I have a bullet in my leg? … I was just like, This is -- this is it. This is ridiculous."


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Chris Hedges is the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and the author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." Laila Al-Arian is a freelance journalist based in New York City.

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Oh dont worry!
Posted by: Temporary on Jul 13, 2007 12:07 AM   
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Im surden the "mighty" US military will soon find something else to do

The great...

exit strategy

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» "surden", lol n/t Posted by: ateo
. "the entire war is an atrocity."
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 13, 2007 12:56 AM   
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"I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'."
Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division.

"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'[Only later,] ... meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then."
Specialist Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado, 3rd Brigade, 1st Infantry.

"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want."
Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division.

"I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned."
Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry.

Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. "The mentality of my squad leader was like, 'Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don't have to kill them back in Colorado'," she said. "He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist."

"It's not individual atrocity," Specialist Garett Reppenhagen, a sniper from the 263rd Armour Battalion, said. "It's the fact that the entire war is an atrocity."

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I hate to be the one to say this, but...
Posted by: Intraspecto on Jul 13, 2007 1:05 AM   
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The rules of engagement are too lax. If we could just do our jobs, it would not be an issue. Now, I am not saying that we should go around and shoot random peoples dogs, but that we should keep these searches up and do it in a much more professional manner, that at least gives these people some dignity, along with the knowledge that we will treat them fairly, but if they hide something such as bombmaking equipement, terrorists, or the means to wage war against us, all bets are off and the perpetrator will pay heavily, and not through our action, but by us turning them over to their government to hang them as traitors to the Iraqi state or shoot them in the head without remorse.

We are letting politicians run the war on both sides of the isle. If we are to be truly successuful, just let us do our job. We need to kill those who are going to kill us. I mean, it does not good to take an army and use them as heavily armed police.

Also, we need to ensure that the army has educated upper-level enlisted men who command young, impressionable soldiers. We need it terribly, otherwise incidents will continue, and we will build resentment beyond its current levels. We also need to use the Geneva convention on recognized fighters, not terrorists. They don't give a fuck about convention, or they would not be blowing up thier own people.

We need the Dems to stop fucking around, along with the republicans. I am tired of having my elected officials who voted for this war to play fuck-fuck games with my life, and lives of my fellow soldiers.

Oh yeah, one more thing- when the nation did this interview, they were EXTREMELY skewed, as they interviewed servicemembers who came from liberal bastions. Next itme they should be interviewing the rest of us from rural America, the America of the conservative. That would lend credibility to their argument.

Sorry for the miss-spelling, I have been up for almost 24 hours and I just got in from work. Good night.

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» Ok Posted by: Temporary
» War is hell Posted by: Bobsays
» Just one question Posted by: Temporary
» Good post. In addition... Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» What? Posted by: Erik1968
» As a rural Southerner... Posted by: TennMom
The Pentagon's Template for Damage Control for Atrocities Against Civilians
Posted by: CatDad on Jul 13, 2007 3:22 AM   
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When allegations of abuse/atrocities arise:
1) Deny, deny, deny if there's no smoking gun video or pictures
2) If smoking gun evidence exists...blame everything on the lowest-level perpetrators that can be found....starting with the reservists, then enlisted grunts...after that...the Reserve Officer Corp
3) Deny that anyone in the Pentagon or White House knew that anything bad was happening
4) Have media propaganda blitz and state that we're in [insert occupied country here] to promote freedom and to hand out candy to children
5) Attack dissenters and the "liberal" media for focusing on the acts of a "handful" of rogue, abusive troops and for implying that higher-ups knew about abusive policies. Imply that focusing on said "rogue" activity does not "Support the Troops."

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Illegal aggression and war equals war criminals and yahoos
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jul 13, 2007 4:03 AM   
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I remember several times an open letter being sent out by the anti war movement and its leaders that the war is a criminal, and an illegal war of aggression. The letter was an appeal to the grunts, that the officers, political class (both democrats, republicans, and its judicial nazis) are war criminals, and that following these illegal orders would make them complicit in this fascism and aggression. As it has been so far, many soldiers already have been charged with murder, and rape during the war, but the people who made this policiy have not yet been charged with war crimes, or war criminals, and according to the Nuremberg principles, cannot use the excuse that "I was just following orders" of Bush, Republicans, Democrats, including all these Nazis who use the excuse, you see here, that "War is hell".

This stupid argument, avoids the real issue, that class societies and class Empire, with its class elites routinely carry out imperial aggressions, along with the yahoos who routinely choose to join the axis of evil, without question, as an alliance of stupidity, and massive arrogance, in war after war, after war. The fact that a majority use racist terminology like "gooks" and "ragheads" to substitute racist terms, for real political labels, that fits these criminals, like fascists, racists, imperialists, is proof that most of Amerikans are clueless about politics and worse are thugs, criminal asses, cowboys willing to rape, plunder and murder people in any country, that they cannot even find on the map.

They are not heroes, they are willing victims of their own stupidity, as well as of and by the fascist imperial democrats and republicans. Vote green, vote third party, or if you have to, Kucinich and Gravels, (not Hillary and Obama- both apologists for war and supporters of nuclear aggression against Iran and for Israel fascism). Support the soldiers of the antiwar movement who have finally figured it out, that this war was wrong, and criminal from day 1.

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Cry your eyes out.
Posted by: Erik1968 on Jul 13, 2007 4:16 AM   
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These stories had the exact same effect on me that reading 'Nam by Mark Baker did when I was a teenager. I just feel awash in sadness. What if this was your mother, your child, gunned down in the street for no reason? Can you imagine watching a soldier laugh as someone you love dies?

We have to stop this war NOW. Our children will ask us someday. They'll ask us what we did to stop it. What will we say? That we posted the snarkiest comments?

I realize that believing in heaven and hell is not really smiled upon here in the liberal blogosphere. But we're going to hell for this. We will be judged for our actions. All of us.

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Francis
Posted by: Francis on Jul 13, 2007 4:37 AM   
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We should all bear in mind the famous native American adage...never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his mocassins and murdered scores of children for entertainment.

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Face it, this is propaganda from The Nation.......
Posted by: kbest on Jul 13, 2007 4:52 AM   
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Where did they find these 50 former soldiers? I've talked to at least 25 former and current soldiers myself.....some close family members who have opened upto me about the reality over there. The feeling of actually wanting to help these people is overwhelming. Did The Nation ever do any stories about the soldiers who have built schools and stocked it with supplies sent by family members? Of course not. That doesn't fit their agenda. But things like that happen way more than any atrocities.

I will acknowledge that there could be some bad apples in any war situation. Haditha was a setup. Don't but the negative propaganda all you hand-wringers.

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» "Haditha was a setup." Posted by: WhatNow?
» What crap. Posted by: justaguy
Why won't we get it??
Posted by: hagwind on Jul 13, 2007 5:05 AM   
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"The war the vets described is a dark and even depraved enterprise, one that bears a powerful resemblance to other misguided and brutal colonial wars and occupations, from the French occupation of Algeria to the American war in Vietnam and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory.

Why are we surprised? Young USians whose economic options are so limited that the military is one of the best. They don't realize they've been sold a bill of goods till they're in way over their heads, and by that point walking out is a capital offense. They're in this alien and extremely dangerous situation where they can't read the subtleties (or even the blatancies), where they've got orders to follow and powerful weapons in their hands, and relaxing for an instant could get them killed or mutilated.

I wouldn't do very well in that situation. If I wasn't killed right off in a split second of indecision, I'd probably do whatever I had to do to increase my chances of living till the next day. Shooting someone who might be a threat increases my odds. Considering for an instant that they might not be a threat, or that the "Syrian terrorist" behind the door is really a two-year-old kid -- this could get me killed. Maybe I'm totally ripshit with the recruiters for selling me this bill of goods (and with myself for buying it), or with the TV news or the U.S. government or the vets in my family or my town who maintain a conspiracy of silence about what they saw and did in whatever war they were in. But they aren't in range and these ungrateful, unreadable "hajis" are.

Would things be all that different if the Bush administration weren't morally bankrupt and the mass media weren't corporate controlled, if the soldiers had higher IQs or the leaders were better trained? Hell no. Throw ordinary people into appalling situations, and most of us will do things we weren't capable of even imagining in other times and places. If the goal is stopping a Hitler, the cost may be worth it. If it's anything else -- well, maybe, but let's try to be honest about what the cost is and who's going to get stuck paying most of it.

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Who would 'welcome' the Americans?
Posted by: phindrup on Jul 13, 2007 5:11 AM   
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Assume that 10 percent of this is true. Why would you want Americans anywhere near your country? Why would you want a bar of anything that the US represents?
And when finally some of those where the US has trashed their country explode a real bomb in an American city --- and I don't mean a mere smack in the mouth like 9/11 --- the Americans are going to wail: "why us?".
Americans, if you want to know who the terrorists are, who it is that threatens world peace, just take a long hard look in the mirror!

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» RE: The real terrorists?????? Posted by: EasterBunny
» More crap. Posted by: justaguy
» RE: One takes notice that... Posted by: ekipnrut
a young man
Posted by: karyse on Jul 13, 2007 5:24 AM   
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whom a friend of mine had taught in grade school stopped to talk to us. He was excited about going into the military and serving in Iraq. I asked him, "so you like the idea of kiling people?"

He paused, though about it for a minute or two, and surprisingly told the truth. "Yeah, I guess so."

If we had more REAL christians in a country that is supposedly 80 percent christian, there wouldn't be anyone willing to kill -- they'd have to call off the war. As the poster in the 60s asked, "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

Me? I'm an atheist -- no life after death, no eternal judgement, no god who is called upon in saying "kill them all and let god sort them out -- I'm completely anti war. Isn't that a strange thing?

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jillbooks
Posted by: jillbooks on Jul 13, 2007 5:38 AM   
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If this doesn't give you chills and make you literally sick to your stomach, nothing will. America has reached the nadir. Despite warnings about the "military-industrial complex," we have veered from any kind of moral and ethical behavior, and made a pact with the devil. How can this sick predation be done our name, and how can we let it continue? I believe that if we had a draft and the military was representative of the American people as a whole, this horror may have screeched to a halt long ago.

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» RE: jillbooks Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: jillbooks Posted by: Poe
i thought it would be a lot worse
Posted by: EasterBunny on Jul 13, 2007 5:52 AM   
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if american atrocities in iraq are only as bad as this story says, it's actually sorta positive. usually things are a lot worse than this in war zones. vietnam was much worse, read the history. and conflicts like sierra leone, rwanda, yugoslavia, sri lanka, east timor, kashmir, etc. where US troops were not fighting at all were 100 times more brutal than this. i'm an opponent of the war, have been from the start but this piece doesn't make the case that the troops are "brutal occupiers" at all. they sound like they are trying their best in a really shitty situation. it's not exactly Roman Empire tactics here. sure, it's not pleasant to be dragged out of your house at gunpoint, but how else are the troops gonna fight an insurgency? you have to do house to house searches. i guess if i was an iraqi i'd be pissed but on the other hand if the troops found a guy next door who was making a car bomb that would have blown up my family tomorrow, i'd be thankful for the midnight wake up call.

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Why did Alternet delete my post???????????????
Posted by: Poe on Jul 13, 2007 7:15 AM   
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What the frig was inappropriate about my comments, Alternet??????

I guess you can trash American's and Christians all you want....but say something negative about the Muslim community......and watch out! Your done!!

I didn't use any inappropriate language or write anything horrible!!!

Censorship is alive and well.......right on Alternet!

Poe

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Alternet...send me an email and explain why.....
Posted by: Poe on Jul 13, 2007 7:27 AM   
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....you deleted my response.

You supposedly support fairness....freedom of speech.

I want to know why.

At least give me an answer.


Poe
reaction@usadatanet.net

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» Where DID his post go?? Posted by: hagwind
» Editors' stars Posted by: hagwind
» RE: ditors' stars Posted by: WitchyNy
With everyones pontifications
Posted by: francomef on Jul 13, 2007 7:29 AM   
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When I read accounts like this, and I try not to, I weep and the rest of you out there should. God forgive us.

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War Is Archaic/No One Wins
Posted by: Candleinheart on Jul 13, 2007 7:55 AM   
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When I learned we were to invade Iraq I was stunned. This country a threat to us? Compared to the size of the US, it was a postage stamp. I wrote Senator Clinton. This was wrong I wrote. How could this country be a threat to us? I stated, "If we go in it will open a can of worms we cannot even fathom now." I begged to consider innocent lives destroyed and our own being killed. I added that King,the two Kennedys, Ghandi were all killed with one or a few bullets with protection and around hundreds of people! Surely, with our elite secret service, etc. we could do same? A few go in and take out SH? Not destroy a country or its people! No answer. Another woman sent me a form letter saying nothing. And...as the invasion occurred and the events have unfolded, I have been ashamed, appalled, saddened, sickened by this administration and the fact that all the evil and bloodshed continues. Suicides are high in Iraq! When are we going to form a world court and abolish war entirely? As the person asked above, "How would you or I like to see our sons, grandmothers, neighbors gunned down in front of us?"Yamamoto, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, stated, " I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant." I fear Bush/Cheney have awakened a wrath and a conflict that will have disastrous, continued repercussions for the world and for us. Perhaps we can recall at this moment what we, 'good ole Christian Americans' did to the Native Americans? A people who took care of Mother Earth and were against hoarding, who accepted and loved their gay children when born that way, who never hit their children, who had a beautiful relationship to their Great Spirit? Yes, GWB and his Regime have opened a can of worms, slugs and vermin, and in so doing revealed their own slime to us. Impeachment for their crimes should occur immediately. They have adequately shown us we are terrorists too, and no different than what we like to put down.
If the Internet can do ANYTHING good and positive, it is to unite us all to defend that which is in our hearts. We must realize that to kill one person kills something deep in our own souls. Agree that Kucinich and Gravel (Edwards to a degree)are the only true, honest, courageous, peace loving candidates and most of all are FOR THE PEOPLE and not politics as usual. Our political system is dying, our country very ill, acknowledging the fact is a first step towards wholeness. Reach out every day. Smile. Help. Share. We've lost that. We are all going to need each other more and more as the months and years unfold. Our humaness is our strength. Bravo those fellows to tell the truth.

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We've known about this for a long time
Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 13, 2007 8:02 AM   
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Members of the elite 82nd Airborne were trying to tell anyone who would listen about the culture of torture and abuse... finally after nobody seemed to care they went to Human Rights Watch... their testimony is pretty chilling.

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A word from CWO Jim Funk, ING
Posted by: sausage on Jul 13, 2007 8:12 AM   
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Des Moines Register columnist John Carlson published an e-mail helicopter pilot Cheif Warrant Officer Jim Funk, of the Iowa National Guard, on May 23 of this year. What follows are excerpts from that e-mail.

"Hello media, do you know you indirectly kill American soldiers every day? You inspire and report the enemy's objective every day. You are the enemy's greatest weapon. The enemy cannot beat us on the battlefield so all he does is try to wreak enough havoc and have you report it every day. With you and the enemy using each other, you continually break the will of the American public and American government.

"We go out daily and bust and kill the enemy, uncover and destroy huge weapons caches and continue to establish infrastructure. So daily we put a whoopin on the enemy, but all the enemy has to do is turn on the TV and get re-inspired. He gets to see his daily roadside bomb, truck bomb, suicide bomber or mortar attack. He doesn't see any accomplishments of the U.S. military (FOX, you're not exempt, you suck also).

"Let's give you an example. A couple of days ago we conducted an air assault. We lifted troops into an area for an operation. The operation went well and our ground troops killed (insurgents) and took several prisoners, freed a few hostages and uncovered a weapons cache containing munitions and chemicals that were going to be used in improvised bombs.

"We, the soldiers, keep breaking the back of the enemy. You, the media, keep rejuvenating the enemy."


No mention of building schools or hospitals. Nothing about handing out candy and toys to Iraqi children.

No, what peeves CWO Funk is that the MSM, especially television, doesnot show enough of our heroes "...bust[ing] and killing..."and "daily...put[tin'] a whoopin on the enemy[.]"

I'd like to think that perhaps if the MSM did follow CWO Funk's advice, and show battle in Iraq as brutal, murderous mayhem, it would be uncouth enough to disgust even the staunchest chickhawks, LA-Z-Boy warriors and war weenies. But I doubt it. Our American chickenhawks, LA-Z-Boy warriors and war weenies would just view it as just another violent video game; raise their Pepsies (or Cokes, as "our boys" are fighting for our freedom to choose) and thank god that some other mother's son or daughter is poor enough, or deluded enough, or psychotic enough to be the poor, dumb bastard who dies for our country.

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Laila al-Arian
Posted by: lopakhin on Jul 13, 2007 8:18 AM   
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Good bit of work on her part. I bet Daddy's proud of her.

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go ahead and get as mad as you want
Posted by: The Big Raven on Jul 13, 2007 9:00 AM   
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The whitepeople are out of ballance and this is the result of years of pertending that white america is special and god himself or herself (really who give a shit) gave only the lost white people of eroupe manifested destiny so with that kind of sick thinking what kind of behavior do you expect?
You are ALL theifs and you know it ! you have committed all the crimes you allways accuse others of doing and even when its right in front of your faces. Do you people and I use that term with jest for you have lost your humanity the day you bought into the lies. I pray for the end of america everyday for the evil you have brought forth is truly your "nature"

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» You flunk history? Posted by: sausage
» RE: US backed rebels Posted by: SJ
Boston Globe:More entering Army with criminal records
Posted by: sausage on Jul 13, 2007 9:23 AM   
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By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | July 13, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Nearly 12 percent of Army recruits who entered basic training this year needed a special waiver for those with criminal records, a dramatic increase over last year and 2 1/2 times the percentage four years ago, according to new Army statistics obtained by the Globe.

With less than three months left in the fiscal year, 11.6 percent of new active-duty and Army Reserve troops in 2007 have received a so-called "moral waiver," up from 7.9 percent in fiscal year 2006, according to figures from the US Army Recruiting Command. In fiscal 2003 and 2004, soldiers granted waivers accounted for 4.6 percent of new recruits; in 2005, it was 6.2 percent.

Since Oct. 1, 2006, when the fiscal year began, more than 8,000 of the roughly 69,000 recruits have been granted waivers for offenses ranging in seriousness from misdemeanors such as vandalism to felonies such as burglary and aggravated assault.

But former military officials and defense specialists said they fear that enlisting more soldiers with criminal backgrounds will increase the risk of disciplinary problems and criminal activity among soldiers in uniform.
Boston Globe

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The nature of the beast....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 13, 2007 9:33 AM   
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This is the sad reality of war - it’s the nature of the beast. When we send our people off to kill or be killed, it brings about the worst in human nature.

It’s rare that the politicians talk about all the carnage - they just like to point out the things that they’re rebuilding (after destroying them in the first place).

They don’t talk about refugees and innocents killed, unless “the bad guys” do it. And, when they’re forced to talk about civilian deaths as a result of our aggression, they reduce those poor people to a statistic.

I can think of little that is more repugnant to me than referring to people as something as less than human - collateral damage.

All the killing in this aggressive war holds serious moral and legal implications for all those involved.

That’s my rant. If you’d like to read more:

"Collateral Damage is Murder" - click here

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American finally stops...
Posted by: Temporary on Jul 13, 2007 9:49 AM   
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when she runs out of money! Everything else is BULL**** Luckily that day will soon be at hand!

Dont worry guys:) You might be a little tired now, but China will take it from here=P

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Same shit happened in Vietnam!
Posted by: rhinojos on Jul 13, 2007 9:54 AM   
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The soldiers came to realize that the mission was hopeless and unclear, yet the chain of command did nothing to end the war until the 70's rolled around.

Iraq is no different, the soldiers came to realize that the mission is also hopeless and also unclear. This is the point where they get to run amok killing without prejudice. If their leaders won't remove them form this foreign soil, the Iraqies will be the ones paying the price.

If I was there, I would have done the exact same thing: take it out on the people day by day, hoping that there reduced numbers don't pose a threat to me. The less of them around me, the safer at least I'll feel.

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