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War on Iraq

What Happens After Bush Vetoes the Iraq Spending Bill?

By Erik Leaver, AlterNet. Posted April 26, 2007.


The American public backs a phased withdrawal, like the Democrats are proposing, but Bush isn't listening.
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The showdown over Iraq that's been brewing since the November elections will finally come to a head this week as Congress sends a war-spending bill to President Bush. Though the bill authorizes $100 billion for the war, Bush has rejected its October deadline for beginning the withdrawal of combat troops, with the goal of bringing combat troops home by April 2008, and has promised to use his veto -- his second-ever use of this power -- to kill it.

On Jan. 13, during his weekly radio address, Bush challenged those who disagreed with him to offer their own plan for Iraq. Led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Congress met Bush's challenge to come up with an alternative policy.

But instead of seeking the dialogue he asked for in his own radio address, Bush and the Republicans went on the attack, calling the bill "defeatist" and "a cut and run" strategy. The truth is that the measure offers a change of course, not a 180-degree reversal. If Bush and Republicans can't agree to a plan as moderate as the one passed this week, then they really do want a war with no end.

The legislation sets a date to start rolling back Bush's escalation of 30,000 troops and calls for bringing home the rest of the combat troops. Instead of leaving the void that many of the war's bitter-enders predict, the bill would reposition roughly 20,000 to 60,000 troops for counterterrorism missions, protecting diplomats and training Iraqi troops. Finally, the measure sets benchmarks for the Iraqi government to meet in order to continue receiving U.S. financial assistance.

These proposals mirror much of what was contained in the bipartisan Iraq Study Group report released last November. They are also endorsed by prominent members of the military. Writing in support of the bill this week along with five other flag officers, Maj. Gen. Mel Montano, USANG, Ret. noted, "Supporting the Iraq Supplemental Bill not only reflects the thinking of the Iraq Study Group but puts teeth to the phrase 'supporting the troops.'"

The American public also backs the proposal. A mid-April CBS poll found that 57 percent of the public thinks that the "United States should set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq sometime in 2008."

But if Bush follows through with his threatened veto, the next steps for Congress are unclear. At this time, the leadership doesn't have the votes to override the veto; they would come up 17 votes short in the Senate and would fail by more than 70 votes in the House. Yet, congressional Democrats are reluctant to sign another blank check for the war.

One alternative floated by Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., would be to fund the war for just two or three months. Another option would be to pass similar withdrawal language with other "must pass" bills, including the defense authorization, defense appropriations and the other Iraq spending bill for the 2008 fiscal year. But unless the dynamics change between Bush and Congress, we'll just see a repeat of this same game over and over again.

Grassroots groups and coalitions, such as CodePink, United for Peace and Justice, Americans Against Escalation in Iraq and MoveOn.org, are using all of these votes to put the pressure on members in Washington and at home. In Murtha's scenario, each vote gives them the chance to organize against those opposed to bringing the troops home.

The downside of that process is that it exacerbates one of the major hurdles to changing the course -- the fact that the focus on politics has caused the effects of the policy to be overlooked and led many Republicans to circle the wagons.

The reality is that the ongoing escalation causes massive bloodshed every day in Iraq. The construction of a walled city in Baghdad is meeting with considerable resistance among locals. Daily attacks are rising -- on Monday, nine U.S. soldiers and at least 60 Iraqis lost their lives. Bush's policies in Iraq have led to the kind of human tragedy that the nation saw in the shootings at Virginia Tech, except multiplied by three every single day.

Yet, Bush still is seeking a military "victory." He has actively been seeking a "war czar" to coordinate the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The Washington Post reported that at least three four-star generals have turned down the job. In the same article, Carlos Pascual, former State Department coordinator of Iraq reconstruction, noted that, by looking for a czar, the president was once again headed in the wrong direction. "An individual can't fix a failed policy," he said.

After Bush's veto, progressives in Congress need to remind their colleagues of the failed policies and push for stronger legislation. If the president is unwilling to take the moderate compromise on the table now, it is clear that more drastic measures will be needed. As each vote on the war happens, those opposed to the occupation of Iraq need to push for a full withdrawal of troops, closing the permanent bases, setting aside funds for reconstruction, and a commitment to real regional diplomacy.

That's a strategy that can keep Democrats united by moving them slowly towards the correct policy of a full and total withdrawal from Iraq, while driving a wedge between the White House and congressional Republicans, who by mid-summer won't be able to deny that the White House's latest policy tweak has failed.

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Erik Leaver is policy outreach director for the Foreign Policy In Focus project at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C.

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A 'Veto' leaves Mr. Bush up the proverbial creek...
Posted by: fallawayjumper on Apr 26, 2007 1:36 AM   
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It's difficult to track the many layers involved in the Dem's house/senate bills (approx. 25) re the Iraq war.
That the Democrats are playing politics with the lives of US military and Iraqi civilians is truly a shame. A Senate filibuster of 40 senators could bring an immediate halt to the war. But, the big question is will President lunatic actually use his veto pen for only the second time in Six years (stem cell funding being the first) to veto $80+Billion in Iraq funding? Don't really think that will happen. He vetoes it and what..(?) nada...no money...therefore immediate pullout no..?!
And there are so many loopholes in Pelosi's bill we'll still be there till the next decade. No, this is a disingenuous bill that doesn't really stop the war despite the superficial dem positioning. All that has really happened is that the true Democratic anti-war activists like Barbara Lee and Kucinish have been effectively marginalized--what a shame...

So, after much 'methinks the woman does protest too much' bluster Pres. dickhead will sign the bill and blame the dems for the fallout...again positioning for the '08 election...

It will be up to the next president to end this profound disaster of a war/occupation unfortunately...

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2012 we'll still have troops in Iraq
Posted by: ateo on Apr 26, 2007 3:15 AM   
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This bill won't stop it, electing a democrat to the presidency won't stop it.

By my calculations the last American troops will leave Iraq in about 2014.

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Leave The Decider Twisting in The Wind
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 26, 2007 4:01 AM   
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When stuff starts shutting down, MS Pelosi and Mr Reid should tell the public that all that is needed is Dubya's signature. Put simply- stop whining and sign the damn bill or STFU.

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» Yeah, pretty much ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Exactly Posted by: NoPCZone
Easy answer. Treat Bush like a spoiled kid who spent his allowance recklessly.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2007 4:43 AM   
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Following Shrub's expected veto, Congress should forget about deadlines and, instead, give him just enough money to support the troop surge through December.

Later this year when Pentagon officials returned to Capitol Hill for more funding, the American people would decide what to do.

If the troop surge plan was working, additional funds would be provided by public demand. Conversely, if the surge had failed, Congress would have no choice but to finance an immediate withdrawal from Iraq -- again because of public demand -- more specifically, outrage.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Ol' blackwater, keep on rollin'
Posted by: OneAcre2012 on Apr 26, 2007 5:36 AM   
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Now when we talk about funding the war and bringing the troops home, does that count the Blackwater faction? You know, the guys who are paid to shoot Irazi citizens who get too close to their own oil or roll their eyes or whatever? I mean, there's always gonna be money for that considering how rich the people are that run those operations. This isn't just a government thing, you know, it's an industry thing, and whether or not Ms. Pelosi is genuine, and whether or not this bill is full of holes, and hey, even if we get the troops pulled out of there, how many of them will be offered mercenary positions with security firms? You get huge money working for these places, and without all that guilt of having to represent your country and be upstanding in the face of atrocity. Maybe the overall numbers of fighters are reduced, but these guys don't have laws to obey. They aren't bound by the geneva conventions. And they sure were a scary presence in New Orleans after Katrina. I mean, these guys were weaned on Rambo, you know, not When Harry Met Sally.

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After war Funding Bill,what Next?
Posted by: leedavis546@msn.com on Apr 26, 2007 6:26 AM   
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the next move for Democrats,should be to come up with a Bill that would fully fund The VA, I am talking about enough money for the VA look after all the Military that arrives on american Soil From Iraq, we also need to provide the VA, with fund,to help the husband's & wifes,as well as there Children, deal with the Changes in the Lives of returning Vet's. then just let the war funding Bill Die. then Bring the Troops Home.

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Make the rich pay
Posted by: vssmith on Apr 26, 2007 7:11 AM   
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On the next go around I would like to see the congress pass a funding bill that includes a tax increase on high income groups to pay for this war they like so damn much. Why should our grandchildren have to pay; make those who profit from it pay. Let Bush veto that too. By all means do not give in to him!

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» RE: Make the rich pay Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Make the rich pay Posted by: wmGreybeard
» RE: Make the rich pay Posted by: enzomedici
Red Brown and Blue Party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 26, 2007 7:24 AM   
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The Democrats play politics under the watchful eye of the Money Masters. The game goes on as usual. The Lover Government challenges the patriarchic base of this whole corrupt money system. Love is the only power strong enough to tame the Great Satan (negative power for those who dislike religious terms). One consciousness at a time.

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Washington’s Iraq funding “confrontation:” a dispute over tactics for continuing the war
Posted by: rwa on Apr 26, 2007 7:34 AM   
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Bill Van Auken:

The bill hammered out by the House-Senate conference committee amounted to a climb down from the legislation approved by the House on March 23. It jettisoned the so-called “binding deadline” included by the House Democrats in favor of a “redeployment goal” of April 1, 2008...

The real content of the Democrats’ position was spelled out most clearly in a speech delivered Monday by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.

Reid stressed that the Democrats’ plan was “a responsible strategically driven redeployment, not a precipitous withdrawal.” He added a pledge to continue full funding for the war so long as Bush keeps American forces on the ground in Iraq. “Troops in harm’s way will always have the resources to do the mission their leaders ask them.”

Reid acknowledged the “restlessness” of the American public over Iraq, more than five months after an election that represented a popular mandate for an end to the war.

“Many who voted for change in November anticipated dramatic and immediate results in January,” he said. “But like it or not, Bush is still commander-in-chief, and this is his war.” The Democrats, he suggested, were largely powerless, because, in the Senate, they hold “a slim majority of 51 in a body that requires 60 to do business.”

This self-serving argument, of course, obscures the fact that with a majority of 51, an opposition party genuinely determined to end the war has the indisputable power to deny funding for US military operations and thereby force a withdrawal. The Democratic leadership has no intention or desire to carry out such an action...

“As our troops carry that burden, our nation’s ability to meet other challenges and face down other foes is being dangerously eroded,” he declared. “We should be addressing a nuclear Iran. And we should be addressing the resurgence of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. And we should be addressing the instability and genocide in Africa. And we should be addressing democratic retrenchment in Russia. And we should be addressing anti-Americanism in Latin America.”

In other words, the Democratic plan for “redeployment” is in large measure a preparation for future American wars all over the globe.

This support for global militarism by the Democratic Party was underscored in a speech delivered Monday in Chicago by Barak Obama. Touted as the “anti-war” alternative to New York Senator Hillary Clinton, Obama included in his call for Washington to reassert its “claim of leadership in world affairs,” a proposal for a major buildup of the US military, including the recruitment of an additional 65,000 soldiers for the Army and 27,000 more Marines.

Against the backdrop of the mass media’s incessant reports about a looming “showdown” and “confrontation” between the Democratic-led Congress and the White House, Reid peppered his speech with calls for “accommodation,” “compromise” and “bipartisanship” in relation to the Iraq war.

These pledges of compromise were spelled out even more explicitly by other Democratic Congressional leaders, who tended to confirm Cheney’s prediction that the Democrats would cave in to the Bush administration’s intransigence on the war funding legislation.

“The president has indicated he intends to veto this legislation. I wish that that were not so,” said Congressman David Obey, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee Monday. “But if it is, the best thing that we can do ... is to get this to the president as quickly as possible, so that he can take whatever action he deems necessary so that we can again get about the business of compromising.”

wsws.org

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The same bill redux
Posted by: Maryanne on Apr 26, 2007 8:30 AM   
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Congress has another couple choices (in addition to those already suggested above).

After being vetoed, and letting a few weeks go by, send the SAME bill back to the White House.

Alternately, again after a few weeks, send the same bill, but DELETE a billion dollars from it (time has gone by so the same amount of money is not needed.) If vetoed again, resubmit with ANOTHER billion deleted (more time passed so less needed) and do so again and again, deleting each time. The message might get through.

It is not necessary to give in to threats of veto. When the money runs out, the troops will be home.

Attention should also be paid to contractors, mercenaries, air power, staff people, those guarding the bases, etc. Out means OUT!

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» RE: The same bill redux Posted by: rambleman
Mark Cartwright
Posted by: mcartri on Apr 26, 2007 10:56 AM   
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A man's car engine blows-up in the middle of Death Valley in July. A tow truck comes by and stops to help. The car owner, knowing his engine is shot, asks for a gallon of gas for the tank, pays and says good-bye to the tow truck driver. You can probably guess the car owner's name. Yes, it's George W. Bush. Replace the car in the story with a bus carrying over 300-million passengers. You and I are passengers. What do we do?

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» RE: Mark Cartwright Posted by: toolband
» RE: Mark Cartwright Posted by: peacefullaim
Can't you see what's next?
Posted by: toolband on Apr 26, 2007 12:38 PM   
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Ultimately this will prove to be a mistake that neocons will capitalize on. Can't you almost hear Bush in the next few months..."We were making signifigant progress in Iraq and the end was in site. But the political points the democrats chose to score hurt the troops and hurt our progress. The delay in funding occurred at a crucial time. We we're making progress and in the process of training of our troops for redeployment. It will take time to recover from these MAJOR setbacks...BLAH BLAH BLAH..." And more reason to prolong the war is created...And then it's on the democrats.

I think the democratic party would do well to think about things from the republican side. They are vicious and we seem to be playing the game on their terms. Turn the tables. Instead of making these requests, we should be demanding answers to questions.
1. You claim we "lose" if we pullout...Who exactly "wins"?
2. Who exactly ARE we fighting? Iraqi Muslims? "Terrorists"?
3. Define what the hell victory would be...What are the goals that would need to be met to declare victory. Without this how could we ever expect to leave?

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» Dems musn't give in Posted by: zyxwvut
a conspiracy theory
Posted by: solrev on Apr 26, 2007 1:10 PM   
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Every time I see one of the politicians who support the war on TV, they always whine about the consequences of failure in Iraq. What are the consequences of failure that they are so afraid of? Is the consequence, losing control of the Middle East oil? I know they do not care one way or another, whether Shia and Sunni kill each other. Are they afraid that losing control of the spice will cause the economic collapse of the US sooner than they would like? If one wanted to make as much money from the remaining oil reserves (and the world) as possible, the smart thing to do would be to eliminate the US as a polluter. They know global warming is a reality, but you could sure slow it down by eliminating the greatest polluter. By the time the rest of the world achieves the current pollution rate the oil would be gone. That plan works out just right if the timing is right. The timing is right when the infrastructure is in place for the rest of the world to become consumers. Rev 18:11 and the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: one can not let the merchants weep. They also need the infrastructure in place before they turn control of the Iran and Iraq oil over to the Shia. They know that when they turn the control over to the Shia, with Saudi Arabia oil under the control of the Sunni, a united Islam will be formed. Peace in the oil fields and everybody wins. Everybody wins accept us, or so they think.

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But we can still win and make the playoffs!
Posted by: thelostsailor on Apr 26, 2007 1:55 PM   
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Congress should have just played some ping pong instead of waste their time with this bill. It's obvious that Bush will preserve war contracts as far into the future beyond his presidency as possible. Since we're evidently playing a game (war) that the B.A. thinks we will still 'win' (in the bottom of the ninth or something...), Congress might as well just play games too.
We 'lost' long ago when 'we' blew off UN Inspections and started bombing Iraq.
What a bummer

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AP did a good job on this story:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 26, 2007 2:10 PM   
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It's nice to see that the bill will likely arrive on Bush's desk four years to the day that he strode onto a US aircraft carrier in his flight suit to triumphantly announce that "major combat operations in Iraq are over".

It's also worth pointing out that Rove was certainly pushing the 'cut off the funding' angle because that would then allow Bush to claim that Democrats weren't supporting the troops. The direct call for withdrawal has left Rove with no more options, other than to veto the bill... and the veto will clearly demonstrate that Bush doesn't give a damn about dead soldiers, only about securing access to Iraqi oil for his cronies benefit.

Unfortunately, the Democrats still seem unwilling to address the central issue: Iraq's massive oil reserves. The bill calls for certain forces to remain in Iraq for "non-combat operations" - would that include protecting oilfields, pipelines and terminals? That seems to be the situtation: a destroyed country occupied by military troops whose sole job is protecting the interests of the multinational oil corporations in Iraq.


Iraq pullout nearer Bush veto
Source: AP


WASHINGTON -- A $124 billion war spending bill is expected to get a final blessing from Congress today and head for a promised White House veto.
The measure cleared the House Wednesday night and Senate approval is likely today.

It would order President Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq by October 1. And it also sets a nonbinding goal of completing the troop pullout by next April.

However it would allow for forces conducting certain non-combat missions to remain in Iraq.

The Democratic-controlled Congress is moving against the war despite a promise by President Bush to veto any funding measure that comes to him with strings attached. The White House said the legislation "handcuffs" generals and contains billions of dollars in spending unrelated to the war.

Democrats already have a fallback position. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said one option would be to fund the war through September but set benchmarks that the Iraqi government would have to meet.

Democrats said the bill is on track to arrive on the president's desk on Tuesday. That will be the fourth anniversary of Bush's announcement aboard the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln that major combat operations in Iraq had ended.

The White House said that would be a "ridiculous PR stunt." Spokeswoman Dana Perino said such timing would be "absolutely so unfortunate" for the soldiers in uniform and their families.

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then they really do want a war with no end.
Posted by: SonoftheMajor on Apr 26, 2007 3:25 PM   
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I believe that's been the plan from the beginning, as Mr. Orwell puts it "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace!" I further suggest that since FDR's time, and the American accession of WWII, our politics have evolved into the War Party and the totally disorganized people who want peace. There is not one candidate who is likely to become the nominee for either party whose policy is simply for peace. Our current political class is composed mainly of aggressive hawks (like the current administration) and dovish hawks, those who would project American power more quietly, but hawks just the same. No one plans to beat the swords into ploughshares anytime soon. If Mr. Kucinich might be seen as the peace party candidate, look at how much effort is spent to marginalize him, and dismiss his ideas and platform. Look at what happened to Howard Dean whose platform in '04 was end the war bring on the peace. How many times was his victory yelp played until he seemed like a complete fool? The current administration are very bad at running their little perpetual war, they have failed utterly. In a sense, that's a lucky break for us. Just imagine if the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force had been employed, both in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we had crushed all opposition? Where would we be then?

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Bush is de-funding the war
Posted by: Jeanne on Apr 26, 2007 4:42 PM   
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By his veto, W would be de-funding his war. How can Congress be to blame?

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» RE: Bush is de-funding the war Posted by: enzomedici
WHO'S PLAYING POLITICS? THE GREAT INVADER, THAT'S WHO
Posted by: TheStranger on Apr 26, 2007 4:52 PM   
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When you've been hitting yourself in the head with a hammer for four years, beware the man who advises that you can't dare stop because then something bad will happen.
http://ivangoldman.blogspot.com/

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If Bush doesn't want to fund the war, then He should veto the funding bill
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 26, 2007 5:34 PM   
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In Texas Gov. Bush would threaten a veto right up to the final second and then blink. Georgie will blink again if he wants money for his war of choice. If he vetos the funding bill then he is the one depriving our forces the money they need for the Republican War in Iraq. Heck maybe he can get Halburton to pay back some of the money they stole while providing contaminated water and spoiled food to our troops in Iraq.

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Like a rubber ball
Posted by: willymack on Apr 26, 2007 7:50 PM   
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Your veto will bounce back in your face. You don't have a rubber-stamp Congress any more, georgiepoo. How do you like them apples?

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What Happens After Bush Vetoes the Iraq Spending Bill?
Posted by: jimmyaj on Apr 27, 2007 12:05 AM   
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Hopefully Congress will wake up and impeach him.

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BUSH DANCES/OUR CHILDREN DIE!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Apr 27, 2007 6:01 AM   
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Just another disgusting act from our supreme leader. Is this what this President is doing to support our troops. Every day it's something new with this criminal bunch of MF' s. Now he's going to veto funding for the troops, thus NOT supporting our troops, and defying the will of the people.

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What Happens After Bush Vetoes the Iraq Spending Bill?
Posted by: pfm on Apr 27, 2007 12:45 PM   
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Americans have an opportunity to publicly see what their elected representatives are made of. The vote to over-ride BGW expected veto should be prime time live TV, radio, print media covered. The American voters should remember and remember well the specific vote of each representative and Senator and should hold each one accountable.

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let me see
Posted by: Glasser on Apr 28, 2007 12:13 AM   
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Whatever the plan is, I do not think it should be broadcast to the enemy,or are the people who have vowed to kill everyone who does not convert to their view of how to live, which would eliminate every law abiding citizen of The United States Of America. And another thing. Are the Democrats going to bring the war.. I mean troops home, or reposition them? I am getting mixed messages here from the same column.

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Opps, a correction
Posted by: Glasser on Apr 28, 2007 12:20 AM   
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let me see
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Whatever the plan is, I do not think it should be broadcast to the enemy,or are the people who have vowed to kill everyone who does not convert to their view of how to live, which would eliminate every law abiding citizen of The United States Of America [_not the enemy_?] And another thing. Are the Democrats going to bring the war.. I mean troops home, or reposition them? I am getting mixed messages here from the same column.

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I posted this on Town Hall
Posted by: Glasser on Apr 28, 2007 1:54 AM   
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Though Iran is supplying the men and weapons for the Muslims in Iraq, they obviously cannot afford to pay for a long war against America. China is kicking our butt economically, so they do not need to fight us. They can wait until all of our large corporations are broke or have relocated to China. Then, they can just foreclose on the money America is borrowing from them. Our government will have to close down or move its operations to China with all the other large companies.Then, China can nationalize all the foreign companies located on their territory. America will be broke(n). No, China is profiting by selling our enemies weapons needed to kill our troops, while acting like our friend by selling us cheap products they manufacture with labor paid just enough to survive. They are also letting us give them much of our industrial capability. Actually, we are paying them to take it. And, one day, take it they shall, unless.......
There is one country, besides America's oil companies, who will profit most from the inevitable nuclear and biological conflict in the middle east. When Israel nukes Iran, all those WMD's that were missing from Iraq, all the Islamic countries' nukes, and all the other weapons supplied to those idiotic Islamists by Russia, China, and North Korea are going to be used against Israel, America, and anyone else associated with us. The middle eastern oil fields will be too radioactive and contaminated to be accessed for a thousand years, likely. It seems that Russia, with either the second or third largest oil reserves in the world will be able to charge whatever they want for their oil. Saudi Arabia and Iraq will not be producing oil for a few centuries after the coming nuclear and biological war in the mid east. Russia figures to have the west, including America, on their knees when the former Commies control most of the available oil. And they're right, except they will have to have a partner in their scheme to dominate the world.
In Feb. of 2003, in a small East Texas newspaper, an article appeared, buried near the back of the front section, by the obituaries. It stated a judgement was rendered against Exxon/Mobile, in a lawsuit filed by the State of Alabama, for 3.1 billion dollars. Apparently there was a disagreement over the fine print on their contract for some natural gas wells in Mobile Bay. Also, since a stack of suits awaited this verdict one might think many,if not all, of Ex/Mob's clients felt the oil giant wanted to keep more than its share of the proceeds from the accessing of the practically worthless petroleum products from these entities' lands. An average layman would probably conclude the price of gasoline was likely to go up. Surely Ex/Mob could not be expected to pay one cent of these unreasonable judgements they were looking at having to come up with. Why, they did all the work. Ex/ Mob's clients should feel blessed to get any money from Ex/Mob's labors. They were paying their clients more than enough.
Best I can remember, something pretty important happened about a month later. Something like, America invaded Iraq. Some people say we were not prepared. Others say we should not have gone at all. I tend to agree with the first argument. I believe the invasion and resulting moon shot oil prices were more than coincidentally close behind the verdict in this possible first of many extreeeemly expeeeeensive lawsuits. Apparently, not one democratic or republican, liberal or conservative, columnist or blogger thought there was any relationship between this judgement and the following war or skyrocketing price of oil and gasoline.
In November of 2005, on the front page of the Dallas Newspaper, an article stated the federal government declared that, in an effort to help the poor starving oil companies scrape up the funds to explore and drill for more oil and gas, the oil companies no longer have to pay royalties on products taken from America.

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» Ummmmm, no! Posted by: justaguy
The Bill is just part of the theatre.
Posted by: justaguy on Apr 29, 2007 8:21 PM   
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The "fight" between Bush and the Dems is just to string the gullible public along to believe in the illusion that there are real differences in the parties' policies.

The withdrawal timetable is so loose and flexible as to be meaningless, there are no restrictions on expanding the war to other countries (Iran) despite demands from the very few antiwar Democrats.

No, the meat and potatoes is buried in all the wrapping and won't see light of day in the media.

Included in the bill is a "benchmark" requiring the Maliki government to pass the Iraqi Hydrocarbon Law, which will give control of nearly all Iraq's reserves to US and British oil companies.

The public scrap is classic "look over there" distraction. If anyone does notice it, the spin is a well practiced deception over revenue splitting between the sects that both parties have used to obfuscate and dissemble.

This benchmark really is the smoking gun evidence of widespread multiheaded malfeasance, but few will notice.

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Who all are controlled by the OILERS?
Posted by: Glasser on May 2, 2007 6:39 PM   
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Did you notice the 3.1 billion judgement against EX/MOB a month before the invasion of Iraq? It was the first of a stack of lawsuits for shortchanging clients on royalties they owe for drilling oil and gas. Then in Nov. 05 the feds stated oil companies did not have to pay royalties to the feds for fed land. THEN, when gasoline fell below 2 bucks a gallon recently, NYCity filed against EX/MOB and a couple other oilers for not cleaning the oil they spilled into NYC's drinking water , like, 20 years ago. What happened to the price of gas where you live since then? Notice any Democrats say anything about either of these coincidences that were printed in the newspaper that5 the Dems could read as well as I? Who all are in the oilers pockets, now?

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Democrats do the same
Posted by: typerpace on May 3, 2007 3:02 PM   
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Quote," Bush and the Republicans went on the attack, calling the bill "defeatist" and "a cut and run" strategy. The truth is that the measure offers a change of course, not a 180-degree reversal. If Bush and Republicans can't agree to a plan as moderate as the one passed this week, then they really do want a war with no end." end quote

Don't democrats do the same thing, anytime Bush trys to to make something better the democrats always deny him. Especially when it comes to foreign policy. Its almost like he gave them a taste of their own meds by saying go ahead and make up your own policy and I will look it over. DENIED! Just like they do to him. I am not sure if this is a Liberal website or not, I was just looking up some information and ran over this and read this. My question however is, when did reporters stop reporting both sides of a situation instead of focusing on there own political affiliation. Why point out BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS and come up with something that is both sided. Democrats do plenty things wrong, as do repulicans and independents so why not report it that way...

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