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War on Iraq

Antiwar Dems in Congress Face Tough Choices

By John Nichols, The Nation. Posted March 17, 2007.


Progressive House Democrats are in now in the position of choosing between Pelosi's "imperfect" Iraq proposal and holding out for "bold action" to end the war.
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The House Appropriations Committee deliberations on whether to advance an Iraq War spending bill that includes provisions seeking to extract U.S. troops from the conflict by next year points up the challenge faced by Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the coming week.

Pelosi, who voted against authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq, has been clear about her desire to bring the war to a conclusion. As Pelosi said this week: "Any U.S. military engagement must be judged on three counts -- whether it makes our country safer, our military stronger or the region more stable. The war in Iraq fails on all three scores."

Yet, to Pelosi's view, the only way to do that is by providing the money for continuance of the war over the course of at least another year. This is a painful political calculation, she says, arguing that the neither the Democratic caucus not the full House is not prepared to back a quick exit strategy.

As Pelosi has said over the years, "There is no one Democratic voice . . . and there is no one Democratic position (on the war)." Members of her own leadership team, including Maryland Congressman Steny Hoyer, the number two Democrat in the House, approved of the war initially and have never been comfortable in the anti-war camp. And, while there are many House Democrats who favor the rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from the quagmire, there are a handful of Joe Lieberman-like Democrats who really do want to "stay the course." And there are many more who are afraid to take responsibility for ending the war because, even though the notion in popular in polling, post-withdrawal realities on the ground in the Middle East could be ugly enough to cause second thoughts on the part of voters.

So, in hopes of initially uniting Democrats and then creating a new center of gravity in the House that might see a significant number of Republicans sign on to a "troops home" measure, Pelosi and two of her closest allies, Appropriations Committee chair David Obey, D-Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha, who chairs the Appropriations subcommittee charges with oversight of military spending, have set out to use the spending bill as a tool to reframe the debate about the war.

It is the sort of serious legislative move that gets points from government teachers but that leaves activists cold. And Pelosi has struggled to keep her balance in the face of fierce attacks from the White House and the Republican National Committee for trying to "micromanage" the war -- GOP press releases refer to her deridingly as "General Pelosi" -- and from progressives who say she is not doing enough to bring the troops home.

The essential objection to the legislation Pelosi, Obey and Murtha are pushing so aggressively is that it does not end the war. In fact, it funds the war for a year or more -- perhaps even providing sufficient resources for the president to pursue his objectives until the end of his tenure in 2009.

Pelosi and her allies speak of establishing benchmarks and timelines designed to force the president's hand; "We are trying to end the authorization of the war if the Iraqis and the administration don't perform," says Obey, who got in trouble last week for referring to critics of the plan's caution as "idiot liberals."

Unfortunately for Obey and Pelosi, the "idiot liberals" have a point when they say that the Democratic leadership plan offers no assurance that U.S. troops will be extracted from Iraq in 2008.

The spending bill is too vague and soft to be counted on to actually do that. As California Congresswoman Barbara Lee, perhaps the most ardent war foe in the House said when voting against the Pelosi plan Thursday, "I don't think the president deserves another chance."

Lee has been blunt in saying that she believes "the American people sent a mandate to us to bring home our men and women before the end of the year," and she has proposed an amendment to the spending bill that would do just that. Lee's plan would provide funding for bringing the troops home safely rather than continuing the war.

Out of deference to Obey, arguably the strongest committee chair on the Hill, Lee did not offer her amendment during the Appropriations Committee deliberations. Those deliberations saw all the other Democrats on the committee vote for the measure, which was approved and sent to the full House by a vote of 36-28.

But, Lee, a Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair, says. "Still, too many of our troops are dying in an occupation that needs to end sooner rather than later, and I will continue to push for enforceable timelines and to protect our troops and to fully fund their safe and orderly withdrawal from Iraq at the earliest practicable date."

Anti-war activists who have been pushing for Congress to use the "power of the purse" to defund the war are organizing to push House members to back the Lee amendment. In an email sent today, Peace Action executive director Kevin Martin notes the coming fourth anniversary of the war's start and says to the group's tens of thousands of backers, "I need you to tell Congress this must be the last such anniversary we observe.


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Home by the 4th of July...
Posted by: hot karlrove on Mar 17, 2007 1:10 PM   
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Or at least withdrawl begins on July 4th. Why can't we do this?

Why don't we use the already strong commercial timing meme to help get our soldier home?
Home for the 4th!
Home for Xmas!
Give a soldier a valentine in 2008 AT HOME!
HOME A.S.A.P.

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How One Senator Could End the War By JOHN V. WALSH
Posted by: rwa on Mar 17, 2007 1:12 PM   
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The peace movement is now in a tizzy about the various "antiwar" resolutions proffered by the Democrats. But unfortunately all this frenzy is destined to come to naught. None of these bills will survive a Republican filibuster in the Senate or a Presidential veto. And the bills are all subject to challenge in the courts on the basis of which powers the Congress and Executive have over the conduct of war. These measures are designed to do no more than save face for the Dems and allow them to continue to bash Bush. But the bills will not and cannot end the war.

There is but one way for the Democratically controlled Congress to end the war and that is to stop the funding. So far the "antiwar" Democrats refuse to do that. So they now own the war every bit as much as Bush does. They cannot reasonably say that they refuse to defund the war now, but they will end the war later if one of their number becomes President in 2008. The simple fact is that they have the power now but they refuse to exercise it. They allow the death and destruction in Iraq to continue in order to satisfy their donors, AIPAC and their own ambitions to descend to the presidency.

The Democrats will claim that they only have a "razor thin majority," so that their hands are tied. But this is not so. It takes only one Senator to filibuster against funding the war. Then it takes only 41 abstentions to sustain the filibuster. 60 votes are needed to stop a filibuster; so 41 abstentions mean that a filibuster is sustained and Bush's supplemental funding bill for the Iraq war is dead (1). Such a filibuster is of course veto-proof since the filibustered bill simply dies and there is nothing for Bush to veto. There are 51 Senate Democrats, most of whom claim to be against the war, and at least one antiwar Republican Senator so the votes are there ­ unless our solons of the Senate are deceiving us. If such a filibuster takes hold, the administration must then come back to the Congress with a bill acceptable to the 41, presumably a bill with funding to bring the U.S. soldiers home safely and quickly. (Sign the petition calling on Senators to take this action at www.FilibusterForPeace.org and circulate the petition widely.)

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» You are quite right Posted by: rwa
» RE: You are quite right Posted by: edith
Let's kill this turkey
Posted by: SteveB on Mar 17, 2007 2:05 PM   
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There's nothing "serious" about a bill that "requires" withdrawal of "combat" troops from Iraq seventeen months from now, but leaves exceptions for troops needed to: 1) "protect coalition forces", 2) "fight terrorism" and 3) "train Iraqi forces."

Are there any troops now in Iraq who couldn't be kept under one of those exceptions?

This is worse than no bill at all, because it misleads the public into thinking something is being done to end the war.

If enough Republicans vote against it because it goes too far ("too far", in Republican terms means legislation that places any limit, no matter how meaningless, on the President's conduct of the war), and enough progressive Dems vote against it because it doesn't go far enough, the bill could fail - and that would be a good thing.

And, if nothing else, the war-funding gravy train would stop for a little while.

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uikll
Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 17, 2007 2:12 PM   
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They can refuse to back Pelosi, effectively preventing the advance of a serious if deeply flawed attempt to constrain the Bush administration's war making over the next two years. Or they can swallow hard and back a measure that continues to fund a war they believe should be finished.
OK...Ok...have I got this right?
So if Pelosi isn't backed then the "deeply flawed" (read: easily ignored,vague unfocused verbiage) "attempt to constrain" will not advance, i.e. it will have precisely zero chance of ending the current or contemplated war crime(s) for the duration of the Bush term. In other words, Pelosi exhorts
House Dems to back her, claiming that by not doing so they run the risk of that which would almost certainly FAIL as a preventive war measure not being available...to FAIL. War continues unabated,uninterrupted free to expand.
On the other hand,if the Pelosi gambit of sacrificing everything
in consideration of nothing in return is backed, then the aforementioned "deeply flawed" swiss cheese war condom will be available.... to FAIL. War continues unabated, uninterrupted, free to expand.
As Nader so deftly characterized Hillary's initial war vote as a
'character flaw'...the propagation of same throughout the Dems in Congress is evident. The mandate given in November was wasted on this bunch of self obsessed gutless, enablers of war criminals.

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Forget resolutions. Here's what the Dems should do.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 17, 2007 2:55 PM   
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The Constitution says Congress shall "arm" the militia.

To me, a Vietnam veteran, that means sending our soldiers and Marines to Iraq with the BEST equipment possible -- i.e. Dragon Skin body armor, Oregon Aero helmet liner pads and Cougar combat transportation vehicles.

Since that's not happening because Bush is a bloody rush again, Congress could bring his troop surge to a sudden stop by mandating the equipment listed above.

For detailed information about the kind of combat gear GIs deserve -- Dragon Skin vests, Oregon Aero pads, etc. -- visit my website www.King-George.biz -- the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» Murtha is on the right track. Posted by: HughScott
» Wrong, Leafsong Posted by: HughScott
» RE: Wrong, Leafsong Posted by: leafsong1
Again Kucinich ignored
Posted by: Ripcord on Mar 17, 2007 4:36 PM   
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Even in a comprehensive article about Democratic politics about the Iraq war, Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich's bill Hr-1234 is not mentioned:

SEC. 3. DISENGAGEMENT OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM
IRAQ.
(a) Withdrawal of Armed Forces- Not later than the end of the 3-month period beginning
on the date of the enactment of this Act, all United States Armed Forces serving in Iraq
shall be completely withdrawn from Iraq and returned to the United States or redeployed
outside of the Middle East.
(b) Prohibition on Use of Funds To Continue Deployment of Armed Forces in Iraq-
(1) PROHIBITION- Funds appropriated or otherwise made available under any
provision of law may not be obligated or expended to deploy or continue to deploy
members or units of the United States Armed Forces to Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi
Freedom.
(2) EXCEPTIONS- Paragraph (1) does not apply to the use of funds--
(A) to provide for the safe and orderly withdrawal of the Armed Forces from Iraq
pursuant to subsection (a);

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» RE: Again Kucinich ignored Posted by: justaguy
» Lower Your Expectations Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Again Kucinich ignored Posted by: G.Achin
libertyordeath
Posted by: libertyordeath on Mar 17, 2007 5:34 PM   
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It's all horseshit.They, the Aristocracy,don't care anything about us.To them, it is a lifelong paycheck; where nothing is ever accomplished.To accomplish something REAL,THAT REALLY MATTERS,is poison to them. It means they won't get re-elected.They don't want to flip burgers at McDonalds.

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libertyordeath
Posted by: libertyordeath on Mar 17, 2007 5:36 PM   
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Soldiers do what soldiers do.They didn't join the Salvation Army.

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» RE: libertyordeath Posted by: edith
Does anyone doubt Pelosi's hard work?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 17, 2007 10:57 PM   
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She was elected Speaker because she is a shrewd and able politician. I can still hear the complaints from the last Congress about how as minority leader she wasn't doing enough. Could she have done more then? Not without looking like a damned fool. How about giving her some of the credit for the Demos recapturing the House?

Can she do more now? Why doesn't she deserve our confidence? What has she done to show us that she is a damned fool? Objections to her proposal amount to calling her that.

Yes, Iraq has bled us to the point of zero tolerance. At the same time, we desperately need to support our leadership. Without leadership we are certainly lost. It's time to invest in our leadership, and that means giving her our trust. We are all out of real options. Like her or not, she's the best we have.

I send my gratitude to the House members who want the war for our troops to end yesterday but are willing to just make it end soon. No, never soon enough. But sooner is always better than later.

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Hey onanists!
Posted by: The Butcher on Mar 18, 2007 6:15 AM   
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How many of you liberals are actually for repelling your stupid american gun laws?
Isn't it where you should be starting?
11000 plus people died in the US last year from gunshots Vs 500 in Europe.
Don't you think you have a fucking problem?
Who are you protecting by killing?
Is this not a fundamental problem with you guys?
Sure you sell all this TV shit to the world about cops and robbers.
You are a sick country making money on violence.
Here on Alternet, I never see this issue raised.
Are you all so sick that you do not see how violent your country is?
Francois
Frenchman
Bad fighter. losers at war
Cowards whatever you want check www. fuckfrance .com This will give you a measure of your country.
Smells bad for Clinton
Poofter???
What else have I done wrong being French?
Keep lauding me!!!!!!
Francois

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» Frog Legs Gone Bad Posted by: edith
Double Down, Ms Pelosi
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 18, 2007 8:39 AM   
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If Dubya wants a surge and Patraeus wants a surge- let's give 'em a Damn surge and all the money they want- with one hook: a draft. Yes, I said it- a draft.

Not a Vietnam-era draft where being a teacher or student or whatever would get you a pass -I mean a real WWII style loddy -doddy-everybody draft. First call up- 250,000 men & women from 18-28. All combat arms MOSes. For active duty, report to the local recruiter in 7 days and prepare to be shipped in 30 days. The Army has more than enough barracks, ranges and mess halls to accommodate a surge of this magnitude.

Don't let them BS you, provisions for a mobilization are drawn up and always have been. During WWII the US army scaled up from less than 100,000 to 6,000,000+ (not counting the Air Corps- now the USAF) in less than 2 1/2 years. Adding 250,00 grunts (infantry) to an Army of 1/2 million shouldn't be a problem. Instead of returning Reservists and Guardsmen who have already served to Iraq, let them train the new draftees.

When the YAF, College Republican and Jesus Camp crowd starts getting their notices, it will all come to a screeching halt. It's time to stop going to a gunfight with a knife, Tell them a draft or a complete de-funding of Dubya's War.

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» Reporting for Duty Posted by: edith
» RE: Reporting for Duty Posted by: NoPCZone
Holding out for perfection is a loser's game.
Posted by: CriminallySane on Mar 18, 2007 9:32 AM   
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Take incremental gains. Consolidate. Move forward from there. Unless someone appoints Nancy Pelosi dictator, (and I would like that only slightly more than Bush's attempts to make himself into one - despotism is despotism, and "enlightened despotism" is an academic's fantasy) it's not within her grasp to end things singlehanded.

Any progress is good, and all lasting progress is incremental, for that is the way solid foundations are built. Trying an "end it all at once" strategy, much as I too find that end desirable, will fail. It would be the political equivalent of outrunning our supply lines. Ask the fuel truck drivers during the original invasion about that one.

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Democrats Who Vote For War
Posted by: oregoncharles on Mar 18, 2007 12:11 PM   
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If supposedly anti-war legislators vote in favor of more funding for the illegal, horrific occupation of Iraq, then the war has won their hearts.

I am always amazed at how people can be spun every which way by arguments totally missing the point.

If my representative, Peter DeFazio, votes for this supplemental, which will, according to a UN analysis, kill another 60,000 Iraqis and a couple of thousand more Americans, then he shares responsibility for those deaths as do we Americans who go along.

Why doesn't he vote against it if he's really against it? That way, all the world can see who supports the funding and who doesn't. They're saying, "we're making a compromise" because we don't have the votes. Fine, lets see it play out in a vote. Let them prove that to us. If the funding passes, they can say: But we voted against it.

My rep, DeFazio says he doesn't want to be seen as not supporting the troops.

DeFazio represents Eugene, Oregon and much of Corvallis, Oregon, both extremely liberal. the overwhelming majority want to end the war now. In fact most Americans want out now. The tortured Iraqis want us out and 60% of them support attacks on Americans. So he votes to increase funding? Who are these constituents he says he's worried will think he doesn't support the troops? (Could it be the money for his next election he's worried about?)

It's a great big scam in order to keep the war going. I saw it in Viet Nam when we had much more liberal Democrats than we do now. That war was escalated by the Dems. Our Dems now are like the Republicans were back then. Everything has shifted to the right.

The psychology that will be used to persuade you all: "Out now liberals are idiots. Don't go with them, they're dumb and don't understand the system. Stick with us.

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Pelosi is a corporate militarist NOT a progressive
Posted by: Earthian on Mar 18, 2007 3:50 PM   
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Here is the key Pelosi quote from the article:

"Any U.S. military engagement must be judged on three counts -- whether it makes our country safer, our military stronger or the region more stable. The war in Iraq fails on all three scores."

Her militarist credentials in support of the corporate-military-media-congressional complex could not be more clear. Her criteria are safety, strength and stability in the region. WWII Germany or Japan could have used the same criteria unequivocally.

Progressives are fine with safety. (But killing hundreds of thousands makes us less safe.) And with strength for defense (But not for empire). But not for "stability" in a region with horrible dictatorships that prevent self-determination by the people of the Mideast. (But for a negotiated process that enables self-determination for Mideastern people.)

But the most important thing about Pelosi's statement is what she doesn't say: progressives agree to abide by international laws like the Nuremberg Charter, treaties like the United Nations and the Genocide Convention, and the part of the US Constitution (Art. 6 - 2) which requires "treaties made" to be the "supreme law of the land."

The war was an illegal act that constitutes a crime against peace--determined by the Nuremberg Tribunal to be "the supreme international crime" that "contains within it the accumulated evil of the whole" of war. The occupation the Pelosi plan would fund is illegal, and an immoral attempt to install a puppet government. And the continuation of the occupation amplifies the resistance to it.

The Kucinich plan provides a clear way out.

Supporting the Pelosi plan is a vote for empire, and illegality, and immorality--and more death of US soldiers, and Iraqis, and more of the inevitable blowback that will come towards the US by those who seek revenge against the harm caused by US crimes.

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AntiWar Democrats - pretty much no such thing
Posted by: DCostello2 on Mar 19, 2007 8:09 AM   
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First let's get this correct - there are very few AntiWar Democrats. We have a handful or two of Anti The Way This War Was Managed Democrats. Make no mistake, they're for War they just don't like the way Bush did it. For all you Kucinnich backers, he is perhaps the closest thing to an AntiWar Democrat.

Second, there are very few Progressive or Liberal Democrats. These three terms ARE NOT interchangable. Joe Liberman is a Democrat, he is neither Liberal nor Progressive. Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, she might be a Liberal but she's certainly not Progressive. HillBilly Clinton is a Democrat but she's neither Liberal nor Progressive. Please, please, please, stop using the phrase "progressive liberal Democrat", there is NO SUCH thing.

At the end of the day, Pelosi, HillBilly, Reid, Murtha, Obama, and all the rest have pretty much never met a war they didn't like, just a few they would have waged differently.

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It should be obvious by now...
Posted by: dover23 on Mar 19, 2007 11:29 AM   
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The only people that will ever stop this war are members of the military. Don't know the odds of that happening but zero chance the chickenhawk majority in DC will. If Kucinich or Paul were ever in a position to do so there would be a plane crash or such waiting for them.

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Missing the obvious
Posted by: spencerh on Mar 19, 2007 9:04 PM   
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Why doesn't the occupation of Iraq end? Too many Senators still support it. It's not a question of "the right bill", "the best compromise" or "the right verbiage". The question is "do they still support this occupation?". The answer is yes, yes they do. We're not going anywhere until Senators are forced to change their minds, and it's not going to happen with polls that these guys just freaking ignore. You want out of Iraq? Get millions and millions of people to start pouring into the streets demanding change. Not thousands or hundreds of thousands. Millions.

Till then, you'll get the following: equivocation, delay, bold language, meaningless debate, circumlocution, words without deeds, exasperation, name-calling, ceaseless demands, watered down bills, pointless compromises, media slandering, and endless bickering. You'll get all that, but you won't get one thing: an end to the occupation of Iraq.

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American military presence in Iraq forever
Posted by: allthingslucid on Mar 20, 2007 2:30 PM   
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Tragically, because the Democratic party won't end the funding of America's military presence in Iraq, its safe to say that the United States will have a military presence, similar to South Korea, probably indefinitely in Iraq. This is what George W. Bush has done. He's drained the national treasury for the enrichment of military contractors and private lobby firms. The Democratic party is complicit in this tragedy and Pelosi's bill won't do a damn thing to end it.

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