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War on Iraq

Clinton To Anti-War Voters: Bring It On

By Amy Goodman, King Features Syndicate. Posted February 21, 2007.


Clinton invites voters to turn elsewhere for an anti-war presidential candidate, and they will oblige.
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Hillary Clinton is a once and future warrior. Campaign events in New Hampshire suggest the majority anti-war electorate has problems with her vote for the Iraq War and with her position on Iran.

On Feb. 10, New Hampshire resident Roger Tilton asked Sen. Clinton at a town-hall meeting: "I want to know if right here, right now, once and for all and without nuance, you can say that war authorization was a mistake."

Clinton responded: "Well, I have said, and I will repeat it, that knowing what I know now, I never would have voted for it. ... The mistakes were made by this president who misled this country and this Congress into a war that should not have been waged."

A week later, in Dover, N.H., she dug in:

"If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from. But for me, the most important thing now is trying to end this war."

Her tough talk to anti-war voters is reminiscent of President Bush's taunt to the Iraqi insurgents: "Bring it on."

People's concerns about Clinton's Iraq War vote is of more than historical interest. History has a frightening way of repeating itself. Drop the "q," add an "n." Iran.

New Hampshire Peace Action director Anne Miller asked Clinton about her recent comments to AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Clinton told AIPAC: "We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. And in dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."

Miller, who has visited Iran, expressed "deep concern ... that we have a Democratic presidential candidate who is a militarist of this nature and that she isn't coming out and saying we need strong diplomatic action with Iran, which is really the only answer."

Clinton continues to invoke the now largely discredited Bush administration claim that the government of Iran is supplying high-tech weaponry to Iraqi insurgents. Even Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says there is no evidence of Iranian government involvement.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., fought the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. He said the president wants "to have the power to launch this nation into war without provocation and without clear evidence of an imminent attack on the United States, and we're going to be foolish enough to give it to him." Byrd seems to have known then what Clinton says she knows now. He called the resolution "dangerous" and a "blank check," and now, with more than 3,145 U.S. soldiers killed, and with Iraq War costs through 2008 projected at more than $1 trillion, it appears he was right.

Reps. Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey also seemed to know then what Clinton says she knows now. They were lauded by the 50 activists who, on Jan. 30, 2007, occupied Clinton's Senate office, weaving a web with pink yarn "to symbolize the senator's web of deception and the innocent people -- Americans and Iraqis -- caught in it." Protesters have promised to "bird-dog" Clinton at all of her public appearances. These actions recall the student sit-in at Clinton's New York office on Oct. 10, 2002, while Clinton stood on the Senate floor and made her case for war.

Fully a year before she died, columnist and arch Bush critic Molly Ivins wrote: "Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. ... Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her."

And then there's Ralph Nader. He admits that there are good anti-war candidates, but that if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, he would be more likely to run.

Sen. Clinton has drawn the line in the sand over Iraq. She will not admit that her vote to authorize Bush to use military force in a unilateral, unprovoked war based on lies was a mistake. She is open to a military strike on Iran. Her latest message to voters: "There are others to choose from." Anti-war voters already know that, and are lining up behind candidates Barack Obama, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich and, perhaps before long, Ralph Nader.

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Amy Goodman is the host of the nationally syndicated radio news program, Democracy Now!

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She's not my pick
Posted by: Jeanne on Feb 21, 2007 3:05 PM   
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And Hillary never was my choice of presidential nominee. She is a lot like John McCain -- she'll do anything and say anything to win the office she so covets. She's not anti-war. She can barely allude to the fact she made a colossal error in her vote to give Bush war powers. If she isn't capable of acknowledging a mistake, she is incapable to lead. Given the abundance of "new" information (not new, just more widely reported) if she can't summon the proper outrage at the lies and corruption, then she is inured to it. That type of cynicism is what got us to where we are. And that kind of cynicism will not get us out.

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» RE: First comes the Primary Posted by: Edward George
She would be awful
Posted by: whitey on Feb 21, 2007 8:26 PM   
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Is there anyone aside from Bill and the centrist Democrats who think Hillary Clinton would be an appalling candidate and a terrible president? Blurgh. Four years of being lectured to, I don't think so. Oh, and no I'm not one of those psycho Republican blood spattered hyenas either. Double blurgh

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» RE: She would be awful Posted by: xenacat
There are others to choose from...
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Feb 22, 2007 1:25 AM   
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Thank You for clearing that up Hillary. and yes, we will exercise those options. don't give up the day gig Hillary...

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Not voting for Hillary
Posted by: paul_revere on Feb 22, 2007 1:49 AM   
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I am the chair of the Democrats in a county in the USA and I will let both my State party and the DNC know that Hillary is on my shit list and I am not interested in supporting her candidacy. She's dishonest, a hawk, and an Israeli firster. She's not getting my vote.

It's time we put this political hack out of business. Let's rally to support a better candidate!

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» RE: Not voting for Hillary Posted by: nonaste
Hillary Clinton...
Posted by: adp3d on Feb 22, 2007 3:32 AM   
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...the Republican Party choice for the Democratic nomination. That would do more to galvinize the base than just about anything. And heck, if she were to win the election, it would be almost the same as electing a Republican..., they couldn't lose! Maybe she would choose Joe Lieberman to run as VP.

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» RE: Hillary Clinton... Posted by: alibaba
Bringing it ON-Part 1
Posted by: wawa on Feb 22, 2007 3:56 AM   
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The following is Part 1 in a Continuing Series:

The Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician: Hillary Clinton

eileen fleming WAWA BLOG 2/15/07



On February 1, 2007 Senator Hillary Clinton betrayed we the people of America in her prostituting and pandering address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee/AIPAC.

Senator Clinton claimed, "Both Israelis and Americans know so well, a democracy is far more than just holding elections. Democracy has to spring from an active and open citizenry dedicated to tolerance, to respect for differences, to the rule of law, to policies that lift us up not tear us down as fellow human beings, and to the value of human life."

Jeff Halper, American Israeli, a 2006 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee, Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions has consistently affirmed that, "Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control." [Chapter 2, Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory]

When Israel became a state in 1948, it was contingent upon upholding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights which guarantees in Article 13 that:

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Israel encourages any Jew without any pre-existing historical tie to the land to migrate under the Law of Return and all receive immediate citizenship and all rights and privileges including state-financed language and Jewish history immersion, free and subsidized housing, job placement and welfare assistance while seeking employment, medical, dental and other benefits.

Israel abetted by USA blind allegiance has blatantly refused to uphold UN Resolution 194, which guarantees the Right of Return-or compensation to the indigenous population which was forced from their homes in 1948 and 1967. Clinton is unmoved by the facts on the ground that the indigenous peoples of that land have been denied human rights and dignity and that they are illegally dominated and oppressed with the aid of USA's "$1.8 billion a year in military aid and $1.2 billion in economic aid, plus another $1 billion or so in miscellaneous grants, mostly in military supplies, from various U.S. agencies. Tax exempt contributions destined to Israel bring up the total to over $5 billion annually." [Page 24, Understanding the Palestine-Israeli Conflict, Dr. Phyllis Bennis. www.tari.org ]

Clinton continued to satisfy the ignoble lusts of AIPAC as she continued to deny the truth, " Israel is a beacon of what's right in a neighborhood overshadowed by the wrongs of radicalism, extremism, despotism and terrorism. We need only look to one of Israel 's greatest threats: namely, Iran . Make no mistake, Iran poses a threat not only to Israel , but to the entire Middle East and beyond… U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. And in dealing with this threat as I have said for a very long time, no option can be taken off the table."

TBC

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Bringing It On -Part 2
Posted by: wawa on Feb 22, 2007 3:59 AM   
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On Feb. 10, 2007 , Dr. Phyllis Bennis, a secular Jew, journalist, prolific author, Mid East analyst and Co-founder and Co-Chair of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation stated, " Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons... Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is! The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it. The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington , the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq , are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond."
WAWA BLOG Jan. 28, 2007]

At her AIPAC fundraiser, Clinton continued her pimping and denial of the facts on the ground, "We also know that the dangers posed to Israel have been compounded by the rise to power of Hamas, an avowed terrorist group that has assumed the reigns of the government in the Palestinian Authority and Hezbollah, the terrorist group that is represented in the Lebanese government. I have long said that Hamas must not be recognized until it renounces violence and terror and recognizes Israel 's right to exist…Hamas terror campaigns have claimed the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians and its leaders have refused to disarm, to reject violence, or even to recognize the right of Israel to exist. We must insist that Hamas and indeed all Palestinian parties renounce terror and recognize Israel "

Not only did the Palestinian Authority agree in 1988 to recognize Israel and reaffirmed this in 1993 during the Oslo Accords, Israel instead, persisted in its unabated relentless seizure of Palestinian land and resources.

On November 15, 2005 , Senator Hillary Clinton stood on the Jerusalem side of The Wall and was quoted in Ha'aretz, expressing support for The Wall because it "is against terrorists" and "not against the Palestinian people."

Senator Clinton,-as most of Congress- have NOT ventured to the other side of The Wall to view the economic and psychological effects of The Wall, which has been deemed illegal and must come down by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. [I address this in detail in "MEMOIRS OF A NICE IRISH AMERICAN 'GIR'L'S' LIFE IN OCCUPIED TERRITORY" ]

After reading Senator Clinton's inaccurate, insensitive and pandering remarks in Ha'aretz, I immediately contacted her through her website, but my email bounced back, for I am no longer a New York constituent. This really got my Irish up, for unlike Senator Clinton, I was born and bred in New York and I am more New York than Hillary will ever be.

Not being one to ever give up, I then snail mailed Hillary a respectful letter expressing my distress over her obvious pandering and blatant denial of humanitarian and International Law and informed her of the many gaps and lack of 'security' along The illegal Wall that I knew about from my visits to Israel Palestine in June 2005 and in January, March and November 2006. Every taxi driver, would be 'terrorist' and I knew the way into Jerusalem from Bethlehem without going through security checkpoints and The Terminal.

The only response I received from Senator Clinton was to be put on the DNC's mailing list soliciting funds.

TBC

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Bringing It On -Part 3
Posted by: wawa on Feb 22, 2007 4:02 AM   
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Clinton has continued to fuel the fire of my Irish ire during her hustling of AIPAC votes: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the suicide bombing in Eilat this week. Some are saying that Eilat was bombed because Israeli's efforts at self-defense through its security fence have been so successful. But Eilat is a tragic reminder of the threats that Israel faces everyday and underscores the importance of our continued support for Israel 's right to protect and defend her people. The highest priority of any government is to ensure the safety and security of its citizens and that is why, as I have said, I've been a strong supporter of Israel 's right to build a security barrier to keep terrorists out. I have spoken out against the International Court of Justice for questioning Israel 's right to build that fence of security."

If The Wall were actually built on Israeli land, Clinton could get a pass on her procuring of Jewish votes, but a map of The Wall super-imposed upon Palestinian aquifers clearly illuminates that The Wall is all about grabbing land and resources from the indigenous peoples of that land.

Reported in the august, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, "Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile, the Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." [Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007]

In Jeff Halper's April 2005 edition of Obstacles to Peace, A Re-Framing of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict, he wrote, “Missing from Israel’s security framing is the very fact of occupation, which Israel both denies exists…and that “security” requires Israel control over the entire country…rendering impossible a just peace based on human rights, international law, reconciliation.” [Page 1]

During one of my four interviews with Jeff, he told me this joke:

“The Israeli government simply does not want to take responsibility and the USA government ignores the situation. Do you know why Israel does not want to become America ’s 51st state? Because then they would only have two senators!"

They certainly have one vocal demimondaine and craving consummate pandering Senator who is currently lusting for the American Presidency.


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http://www.wearewideawake.org/

"MEMOIRS of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" was released 2/16/07

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otto
Posted by: otto on Feb 22, 2007 5:30 AM   
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Why not add Al Gore to the list of possibilities for Democrats? And I have a reservation now for Obama, after his remarks that were so pro-Israel and anti--Palestinian.

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» RE: otto/ No to AL Gore Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: otto Posted by: hapenny
» RE: otto Posted by: bassman
It's why Britain's socialist Labour Party can't be trusted
Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 22, 2007 5:32 AM   
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The majority of the Labour Party voted for the war and don't regret it. Hillary is not alon and will have many friends at the Bilderburg meetings.

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H-Clinton doesn't/hasn't a chance, no votes in the primaries
Posted by: scott.gregory on Feb 22, 2007 6:29 AM   
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She is the shill for the war-party and she won't get 10% in Dem primaries...She will nearly match Pat Robertson's $20 million delegate to the 1988 Repub convention....LOL!

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IF THERE IS A 2008, and IF THERE IS AN America, I will be laughing my ass off...
Posted by: xbj on Feb 22, 2007 7:36 AM   
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....when all the fools, drunk on Nader Kool-Aid, don't vote for Hillary and end up handing the Presidency to another Nazi GOP President.

So, by all means, do exactly what Rove is manipulating all of you to do... divide over the war so the Nazis can put one of theirs' in yet again.

If any one of you for a single moment believes Hillary wouldn't do everything in her power to end the war asap ONCE SHE GOT ELECTED, then you are woefully ignorant of politics and what it takes TO get elected in this country. Little things like support of Zionist (NOT Jewish) media and the Zionist (NOT Jewish OR Israeli) lobby, that want America in the Mideast, forever. Without which NO ONE CAN WIN in this country. It's been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

So go ahead, crucify Hillary for PLAYING THE GAME THE ONLY GODDAMNED (literally) WAY IT CAN BE POSSIBLY AND EVEN REMOTELY WON. It's all just fine, Rove has played on your ignorance and misplaced idealism for years, and will continue to do so. IF YOU PLAY INTO HIS HAND.

If you want to play with the big boys (and I sure as hell don't and commend anyone for their courage that does) you have to play REALISTICALLY. Bill Clinton never said a damn thing about throwing out "Don't ask, don't tell" when he was campaigning, did he? Or a lot of other things they managed to accomplish, as well as some things that they tried to do and failed against the Nazis.

Don't drink the Goddamned Nazi-Rove-Nader Kool-aid. Be smart for the first time in your lives. Recognize the reality of politics in this country, and give candidates the credit for doing what they have to do and saying what they have to say to win. That's politics folks, and there is a name for a candidate that tells the absolute truth about what they are going to do once in office.

LOSER.

To win idealism has to be replaced with realism. Once you win, you have to utilize both, falling back on realism when idealism fails. Is this cynicism? No, it is realism. The facts of life, what politics IS, what it always has been, and what it always will be.

Obama will make a great Veep, if he can shut idiots like Geffen up, who is not being idealistic, by the way, but out for personal revenge because the Clinton's failed to ACT ON A PERSONAL FAVOR to pardon a crony. A case where the Clinton's failed to put realism ahead of idealism, and it's coming back to bite Hillary on the ass.

Case in point.

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» realism vs defeatism Posted by: antiapathy
» RE: realism vs defeatism Posted by: texshelters
The system is rigged....
Posted by: WitchyNy on Feb 22, 2007 8:04 AM   
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The rich (jews) who control America will not let ANYONE win who is not going to support Israel first.
I don't trust any of those other canidates either...except Nader. He has always told the truth and that is why he is so feared and hated.

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» you anti-semitic idiot Posted by: Ellie1
Tell Howard Dean...
Posted by: djnoll on Feb 22, 2007 9:44 AM   
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Every time I get a fund raising request from the DNC over the name of Howard Dean, I write back and emphatically let him know that unless the DNC publicly tells this b***h that she will not be the Presidential Candidate and that the party does not support her candidacy I will not send them so much as one penny of money for any campaigns of any kind.

Since this is apparently having no effect, perhaps if every member of the Democratic Party who will not vote for her, even if they think she is just spiffy and not the two-faced liar and scam artist she so truly is, then maybe when they see their voter base leaving they will take her into a room and say "withdraw, you are hurting the party". Yeah, Like that will ever happen to Queen-to-be Hillary!

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» RE: Tell Howard Dean... Posted by: deaudonnee
This says it all...
Posted by: bassman on Feb 22, 2007 4:12 PM   
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"I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics." Senator Barack Obama, floor of Illinois Senate 2002
Gee, I wonder why HE wasn't misled? Why did he know it then, but she didn't? Oh, she knew the same thing, she just played it differently. Because we all know that the Clintons and the Bushs own America right? I mean, why shouldn't she be President? She was MARRIED to one, for christ sake.
Didn't Hillary already get a crack at policy? It was called national healthcare, and she was laughed right out of Washington. I just wish I could meet her and shout:
"You are not ENTITLED to the Presidency just 'cause you were married to one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Also:
"Tell Wolfeson to get Karl Rove's brain out of his ASS!!!!!!"

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Why are we still looking at
Posted by: Krain61 on Feb 22, 2007 7:04 PM   
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Why the hell are we still looking at either a democrat or republican. Neither is good for this country which they have proved for many many years.. There money grabbers and power hungry bastered. They would surely send your child to war and use your money to buy the bullets to kill them.. Wake the hell up and find a regular human to lead us.
I think I could lead but there is one problem. If I was President I would tell NATO to go $%#^ there selves and I would repeal all the laws bush signed and gat and all the other shit since 1913. Yea we would then again be America!
But soon will just be North America.
I hear everyone talk about Iraq but no one time have I heard of the rights being taken away or the rights that were lost and if and when they'll be given back. Instead we hear about more going to be lost as is the case with internet phone calls.
Democrates keep getting in by spending our money and the Republicans get in on the guns. If the democrates get in they will do to your gun rights like bush did to your privacy..{I think there both one and the same but just a very small difference in how they want to do things}
If the Repulicans get in will be in Russia in less than a decade.
So we need to find a new canidate and stop even paying attention to these thieves who claim to be for us.. Maybe 4 u but not 4 me. I Love my country as in the people but not as in the Elected Company. Since we don't have elections the old way with paper ballots there not legal!!!!
I know this guy about my age 45 and has raised his child and worked a regular job and one day we was joking around about this subject but the more I think about it I think this guy would be ideal for the job. He has only ever made what most make in this country. $30,000.00. He's normal! If he had that job he would make better that 6 times his wages...how much better is the wages of the people who have been elected since let's say reagan? They take a pay cut! As I said wake the hell up!!!

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If you liked Bill you'll
Posted by: surfreality on Feb 22, 2007 8:22 PM   
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like Hilary. It's almost that simple.
I did not vote for Bill. To my mind he was the second best republican president of the 20th century.

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» RE: If you liked Bill you'll Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
Hans Blix and friends
Posted by: reinaldok on Feb 22, 2007 8:42 PM   
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At the time of the now ever so famous Iraqi war vote, did Hillary and her - "we didn't know" cohorts even consider the work that Hans Blix- a very honorable person- was doing. Did she just not believe Blix and all his people or did she and the other war mongers trust more the absurd utterances of Dubya and the neo-cons? That the neos still have 30% supporters is truly amazing??

Israel - Ask Hillary what ever happened to UN resolution 242.
The Jewish anti-zion factions, and there are many are now facing a backlash from the many who consider Jewish to mean pro Israel - anti Palestine - .No not all Jewish people are AIPAC followers. Hillary must know this, but is she that smart??

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Unelectable Hillary/Obama Ticket
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Feb 22, 2007 9:34 PM   
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Let's get real about this, Hillary is chasing anti-war Republicans and is taking Progressive Democrats for granted. The millions of dollars spent on her campaign will be black holed when she fails to win the nomination. I am afraid that we Democrats will go for three presidential defeats in a row with the Obama/Clinton ticket in 2008 - you pick the office breakout - either way THEY BOTH LOOSE They will spend the next 20 months locked in combat for an office neither can win. Let's hear a cheer for John Edwards!

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Be realistic, chose a governor
Posted by: texshelters on Feb 22, 2007 9:50 PM   
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Why not select a governor for president; senators don't win presidential elections.

Oh by the way, Senator Clinton is a horrible Leiberman/McCain hybrid clone.

Joe Tex

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Glad I Ain't Superstitious
Posted by: Mr. Heathen on Feb 22, 2007 11:11 PM   
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I expect to see more comparisons with '68, when another New York Senator ( who also wasn't from New York) defended the war in Viet Nam right up to the primary. Then he changed his stance and recieved a needed bump in support. That ended in California, where the primary may begin this time(?). If so, will it make a difference in platforms?

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What more can we expect from a career politician (panderer)?
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Feb 23, 2007 1:59 AM   
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Clearly, it's down to Barac or Hillary, on the democratic side. Barac isn't perfection, but who is? For me, he's still head and shoulders above the senator from NY. The Hill has been on the hill so long, she's lost whatever integrity she might once have had. I believe it will cost her the nomination, when combined with the fundamental sexism still dogging American society. Meanwhile, the two-y.o. freshman feels like a breath of fresh, untainted air to more voters each day.

On the other side of the aisle, McCain has gone completely overboard for moderate repugs., and Giulliani is poison to the far right. We may well be saying "President Obama" in '08. I, for one, hope so. He's the least offensive politico I've seen (from any country) in a long time.

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» God Forbid Posted by: texshelters
The Big Money
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 23, 2007 9:44 AM   
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Hillary thought she was going to buy the Democratic nomination and waltz in to the White House against a weak Republican opponent. The monstrous war-chest she flaunted in last year's Senate race was a public statement to any who were thinking about opposing her to clear a path. Obama's candidacy has split the money pile and she is going to have to work for what she thought was in the bag and now she is pissed.

She is not to be trusted. If she is a progressive or liberal, I am Napoleon and the sun rose in the West this morning. She is the poster child for DLC, Republican-lite big money friendly politics. I'd vote for Jeb Bush before I'd vote for her and that ain't gonna happen...

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HillaryDidNotMakeAnError
Posted by: robpates on Feb 23, 2007 10:53 AM   
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Hillary Clinton did not make an "error" in voting to provide Bush with war powers. It was a political calculation (ehhh? We'll roll over Iraq in a coupla weeks ...) that went wrong. Any fool could see clearly that it was the wrong thing to do -- provide blanket powers on the flimsiest of "evidence" to a "President" prepared to enter office as he did on 12/12/2000.
OK -- Having done that she (and all the other jackals in the House and Senate) should now be perpared to stand down -- and would do if they had one iota of integrity.
The other huge elephant in the room on this is that that vote showed that she is not prepared to make a stand against the powerful on behalf of ordinary people. What chance is there of Hillary negotiating a single-payer healthcare system (way overdue here) with the health insurance "industry"? Not a chance.
Bye-bye Hillary -- Off you go -- and think yourself lucky you aren't going to do serious jail time for your complicity in this awful, irresponsible, murderous disaster.

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We Liberals Must Have a "Death Wish"
Posted by: Len Miller on Feb 23, 2007 12:07 PM   
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Respectfully, it seems to me that the rigidity of position taken by Ms. Goodman and some of the commentators suggest that either they are not liberal or that they have a different definition of Liberal than I. By my definition, a Liberal may disagree with someone's position on a subject but is willing to listen if that person begins to change their opinion or vote for that matter. To compare the statements of Senator Clinton to that of Bush's "Bring It On" is absurd.

We may not be fans of Sen. Clinton but to compare what she said that If I knew then what I know now, I would not have voted for the authorization is a change in her position. To say, she is concentrated on ending the Iraq War rather than dwelling on the past is simply not comparable to W's inanity. Why bash a person that is coming to our side? It makes no sense. I certainly did not agree with the Bush War and wrote about it to my friends and colleagues before the invasion. However, many others, including many who are Liberals, did vote an authorization to the Pres. to use force--but as I recall, only as a Last Resort and if the facts were proven. It is not the vote of many of us. Certainly, one should have looked at the incompetent in the White House and considered carefully giving him the power to do anything much less use force. But all things should be taken in context. It was a few months after 9/11. The country was in shock. Many persons, including V.P. Gore who said: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. I respect Al Gore. It is true that in that speech, Gore took the tack of remaining within the confines of International Law--but he believed that Iraq had WMD. Henry Waxman said: "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002. Waxman went on to say that Hussein had rebuilt biological and chemical weapons stocks... We all know and respect Cong. Waxman. We also know that none of these persons, including Sen. Clinton would have done what W did. Instead of killing off our allies -- why not give them a chance to defeat a Giuliani or a Brownback or a Romney or a McCain, none of whom represent anything near the quality and intelligence of any of the Democratic candidates announced, unnannounced and those subject to draft. Do not cut off your nose to spite your face and be not so rigid in your thinking. Be a Liberal.

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» RE: First comes the Primary Posted by: Edward George
"NO" to Hillary
Posted by: Ingarose on Feb 23, 2007 2:45 PM   
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I am glad to see so many posts from Democrats against Hillary. I am one of them as well. Besides her being a war hawk, she is old blood. We need new blood. The war mongers will eventually fade away and the peacemakers will get a chance.Will it be in 2008? I do not know, but a vote for Hillary means the death of the Democratic Party. The way it is going I can see an Independent Party emerging from the Republicans.
Democrats for Hillary definately have a death wish

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» Not all of us are Demoncrats Posted by: texshelters