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War on Iraq

Rural America Pays the Price for War in Iraq

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted January 27, 2007.


American dead of the Iraq and Afghan occupations come disproportionately from rural America.
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When we hear about the American dead in Iraq, we normally learn about the circumstances in which they died. January 20 for instance, was, for American troops, the third bloodiest day since the Bush administration launched its invasion in March 2003 -- 27 of them died.

Twelve went down in a Blackhawk helicopter over Diyala Province, probably hit by a shoulder-fired missile. Five died under somewhat surprising and mysterious circumstances. They were attacked in a supposedly secure facility in the Shiite city of Karbala by gunmen who, despite their telltale beards, were dressed to imitate American soldiers and managed to drive through city checkpoints in exceedingly official-looking armored SUVs. They could, of course, have been members of Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army, but were probably Sunni insurgents from a neighboring province. The rest of the Americans in that total died as a result of roadside bombs (IEDs) around Baghdad or fighting with Sunni insurgents, mainly in al-Anbar Province. The Pentagon announcements on which such news is based are usually terse in the extreme. The totals, 29 dead for the weekend (as well as hundreds of Iraqis), did, however, become major TV and front-page news around the country.

These deaths are presented another way in the little, black-edged boxes you see in many newspapers. (My hometown ledger, the New York Times, has one of these almost every day, placed wherever the humdrum bad news from Iraq happens to fall inside the paper and labeled, "Names of the Dead.") These, too, are taken from the Pentagon death announcements, which offer the barest of bare bones about those who just died. But they do tell you something that should be better noted in this country.

Take the Pentagon announcements for Iraq "casualties" from January 11-23 -- 21 dead in all, 17 from the Army, 2 from the Marines, and 2 from the Navy (one in a "non-combat related incident" in Iraq, the other in Bahrain).

Then just check out their hometowns. Remove a few obvious large metropolitan areas, or parts thereof -- Boston, El Paso, Jacksonville, Irving (home of the Dallas Cowboys), and Irvine (California) -- and here's the parade of names you're left with: Temecula (California), Henderson (Texas), San Marcos (Texas), Lawton (Michigan), Cambridge (Illinois), Casper (Wyoming), Richwood (Texas), Prairie Village (Kansas), Ewing (Kentucky), Wisconsin Rapids (Wisconsin), Redmond (Washington), Peoria (Arizona), Brandenburg (Kentucky), Sabine Pass (Texas), and Cathedral City (California).

A couple of these like Peoria (pop. 138,000) and Casper (pop. 52,000) are small cities. Others like Lawton (1,800) or Richwood (3,200) have the populations of small rural towns. On the face of it, if you were to intone this litany of the home places of the dead, it would minimally qualify as a list of the forgotten places of America, the sorts of hometowns you would only know if you had grown up there (or somewhere in the vicinity).

Are Sabine Pass or Cambridge, Illinois (not Massachusetts), or Wisconsin Rapids small towns in rural America? Probably, though any one of them (like Temecula) could, in fact, be a suburb of some larger urban area. Still you get the point. Go read the Pentagon death notices yourself, if you doubt me on where the dead of this war seem to be coming from.

As it happens, though, we don't have to rely on the anecdotal or the look of the names of the places from which the American dead have come. Demographer William O'Hare and journalist Bill Bishop, working with the University of New Hampshire's Carsey Institute, which specializes in the overlooked rural areas of our country, have actually crunched the numbers in an important study that has gotten too little attention.


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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What Irony...
Posted by: BriMan on Jan 27, 2007 1:08 AM   
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While the chickenhawks dont personally have any loved ones fighting in the Occupation, it appears they are utilizing their base to do the fighting - assuming that poor, urban Americans vote mostly Republican (the red-blue map suggests this to be true).

Further proof (as if anyone reading this corner of the Internet needs it) that what you dont know can indeed hurt you.

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» Oh just you wait Posted by: Temporary
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» RE: Oh just you wait Posted by: JCR
Another illustration...
Posted by: kokun on Jan 27, 2007 1:37 AM   
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of the fact that the majority of the Republican base are voting against their own interests. At first it was the economics, with these crazy tax cuts to the top 1% and handouts to the corporations, while cutting student loans and health care.
Now they are disproportionally using their children as cannon fodder but the parents are still obsessed with gay marriage and those unborn fetuses.
Folks this is the fact free democracy at work. Living abroad and outside of the American bubble we can only look on with disbelief and sadness as the very symbol of liberty and fairness turns itself into another failed state.

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Poor Rural Whites, Poor Urban Blacks, and Poor Hispanics Fighting the Israeli-Jewish War in Iraq
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Jan 27, 2007 1:46 AM   
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Everyone knows that the war in Iraq was:
(1) waged to ease the pressure on Israel in the Middle East;
(2) waged to seize control of Iraq's oil supply and bring it entirely under the control of American and British corporations (but guess who run and profit most from many of those coprorations...);
(3) orchestrated largely by the (Jewish) neo-cons in the Bush admin.

I say: let Israel and the American Jews fight their own wars in the Middle East instead of making other Americans fight their dirty, illegal, blood-for-oil wars. While regular American citizens step forward to fight, these 'chosen' sit around in NYC, Tel Aviv, and London and bring in record profits on Wall Street because they own substantial portions of the oil companies and the other companies that have profited and continue to profit due to the war.

It's common knowledge that one of the reasons the terrorists attacked us on 9/11 was because of the unwavering support for Israel amongst the top echelons of American society; guess what though: your average American can't even find China or France on a map, much less Israel. Regular Americans suffer because of the policies of the governmental and business elites in the U.S., the overwhelming majority of them Zionists or Zionist sympathizers.

Hardly any Jews currently serve in the U.S. armed forces, as anyone who has ever served in the armed forces knows; in fact, you'll find about as many modern Jews in the U.S. armed forces as you will in farming. Despite being about 3% of the U.S. population, Jews are currently less than half of 1% of the people serving in the U.S. armed forces.

There are about 6 million Jews in America -- so where are all the Jews in the U.S. armed forces to help out and serve their country/countries as American soldiers die daily protecting Israeli interests in the Middle East? With Israel increasingly under threat, why aren't these Jewish-Americans stepping forward to do their part in fighting Islamic extremism instead of just sitting back and PROFITING from the whole mess?

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» Chevron sez: "Will You Join Us"? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Propaganda Bullshit
Posted by: gellero on Jan 27, 2007 3:21 AM   
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cite your source of the Jewish percentage in the armed forces....if you can't, we have to assume it's a lie. Cite your source that 'jews' control oil interests...otherwise it's just a BS lie. And FYI, Gen. Wes Clark.......who saved the Muslim's ass in Kosovo, was born Jewish.

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» RE: Propaganda Bullshit Posted by: willymack
» RE: Propaganda Bullshit Posted by: Whistler
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Posted by: gellero on Jan 27, 2007 3:24 AM   
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And by this thought process, we'd have to assume we got involved in GW 1 (gulf war 1 ) to save 'Jewish' interests in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

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Posted by: gellero on Jan 27, 2007 3:28 AM   
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And I'd guess we'd also have to assume Halliburton is a 'Jewish' company and VP Cheney is secretly Jewish. And how many 'Jews' are in the 'Skull & Bones' group at Yale?? I guess all those bluebloods must be secretly Jewish too.

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I Don't Disagree
Posted by: gellero on Jan 27, 2007 3:48 AM   
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I'd have to agree you won't find many 'Jews' in farming. Nor in professional wrestling ( except for Goldberg - who proudly admits he was the 'black sheep' of a Jewish family ), but perhaps you should check Jewish 'percentages' of university professors and scientists. Perhaps a bit higher than the percentages in wrestling and basketball?? Why is that? For that matter, not too many rural white folks on basketball teams either. They seem to be underepresented in the golf-country club set too.

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» RE: I Don't Disagree-JEWISH COWBOYS? Posted by: drricklippin
It's what's the matter with rural America. You have to get these people to
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 27, 2007 5:46 AM   
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take into account what hit them and continues to do so. If you don't reframe the debate but instead keep relying on the coastal areas and big cities only all the while tip-toeing around rural America, then of course you'll have to blame yourself and not those voters for voting against their own well-being, be it the economy, war, environment, etc ... It's the Strict Father Morality framing that rural voters have been used to that keeps them voting for things such as this war no matter how hard it hits them. Rockridge Institute is an excellent site where one can actually learn to reframe and convince. Make peace a good thing and don't let the cons frame it as cowardice.

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Republican Support
Posted by: brainvib on Jan 27, 2007 8:36 AM   
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The rural areas have always been in the Republican hip pocket. Like the Dems in the urban areas. Well the rural Reps, which include a goodly chunk of the evangelicals, exerted their power and elected the current president. Now I guess their sons and daughters are paying for that vote.
Like the bible says,(sort of), "as you sew shall you reap".

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» RE: epublican Support Posted by: okie11
» RE: epublican Support Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: epublican Support Posted by: desertlakes
redmond, wa
Posted by: okie11 on Jan 27, 2007 8:38 AM   
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is NOT a rual area just to the east of seattle, get it right!!

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» RE: redmond, wa Posted by: Sambal Oelek
keep an eye on your kids
Posted by: Mamarianne on Jan 27, 2007 10:57 AM   
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As I have said in previous comments, keep an eye on your local high school. Recruiters come bearing trinkets and promises of job training and college educations. They dazzle high school students with videos and well-practices sales pitches. They have early decision paperwork ready, and they know how to get those vulnerable and insecure kids to sign up.
On another note, where are the Bush twins? Why aren't they becoming part of the "augmentation" in this war?

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» RE: keep an eye on your kids Posted by: rabidLibrarian
» RE: keep an eye on your kids Posted by: Mamarianne
» But the thing is Posted by: Beck
» RE: But the thing is Posted by: Mamarianne
Yostie
Posted by: Yostie on Jan 27, 2007 11:16 AM   
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I've been living in rural Alabama for 16 years and I've been watching the slow gutting of the economic infrastructure in the rural areas of the state for a long time. There used to be all kinds of industry in the rural areas of Alabama but most of it has been shipped overseas for 'economic advantage.'

What I see really happening is that the powers that be have had the 'outsourcing' planned out all along in order to throw millions of Americans out of work so they'll willingly join the military. And of course the open borders is for the same reason, to bring in millions of immigrants who will displace millions of Americans out of a job. And the 'urban warfare' first person shooter computer games are no accident either, as they are designed to brainwash the male youth of America to think in terms of being warriors.

The powers that be used us for decades to advance their industry and technology, but now that we've served our purpose the only thing they want our youth for is to be warriors, because, thanks to the Zionist owned and operated media democracy engine brainwash we're the meanest society in the world and they want to use our meanness to their advantage.

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» RE: Yostie Posted by: jmp3954
CarolL
Posted by: CarolL on Jan 27, 2007 1:09 PM   
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For the record, Cambridge, Illinois, home of one of the American soldiers killed in Iraq, is not a suburb of a larger city. The population is 1,300, and the town is located on the western Illinois prairie, a rural, isolated place amongst the corn and soybean fields, where the closest hospital is 15 miles away. Cambridge used to be an active farming community with a population that reached 2,200, a decent downtown, a supermarket, a couple of drugstores and restaurants, a bank, in other words, self-sufficient. Think Mayberry. These days, it barely supports a couple of gas stations and a grocery store, even though it’s the county seat. I don’t know the current health care situation, but not long ago, there were no doctors in town at all. (There were two when I was growing up, and a dentist.) The school system is finally consolidating with other schools in the area because residents can no longer afford their own school, so the kids will be bused 15 to 20 miles one way to get to school every day.

It used to be that young people, if they didn’t take up farming, could find jobs after high school in the nearby manufacturing plants or the farm implement factories. But those are mostly gone now, and the family farm is a fantasy, so there is no economy and no place to work. As a result, rural American kids will literally risk their lives for clothing, food, shelter, health care, some job training -- and a paycheck to boot. It’s a sight better deal than they can get in Cambridge. And if they’re lucky enough to survive Iraq, the government will help them pay for a college education. And then maybe, just maybe, they can find jobs in the nearby towns, where they will live if they don’t mind moving away from their families, or where they will commute 80 to 100 miles or more a day.

In the meantime, they and their parents and grandparents who remain in Cambridge will, as Cambridge always has, continue to vote overwhelmingly Republican. God knows why. I could never figure it out, and I grew up there.

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» excellent post! Posted by: zooeyhall
Rural America has always Been the Backbone of the military.
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jan 27, 2007 4:03 PM   
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The farmers, the backwoodsmen, the coal miners and all the rest. The hourly workers from small towns whose fathers fought the last war - those are the ones who LIVE in America, not "Corporate America', which is just one part of "World Business".

Personally, I don't believe ANY Ivory Tower social theorist or rich kid/silver spoon brat should EVER have the power to send people to fight. In fact, that and maybe even ANY major government position, and perhaps the franchise itself, should be reserved for people who have proven that they have a social conscience by being willing to risk their own hides for this country before they're trusted with rinning it. And that will never happen while only rich old men are in charge - people who "don't understand how poor people think," have never had a hungry day or worried about bills or their jobs in their lives, and never will.

Ian

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» Yostie Posted by: Yostie
» RE: Yostie Posted by: Ian MacLeod
Not many Jews in the US military
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 27, 2007 4:18 PM   
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and yet the US military is essentially, a Jewish defence force, which is defending their banking interests and the zionist state of Israel. Is it odd that, only rural 'real American' types of people are in the military (that or poor 'urban' people)? You see those two groups are neither a part of the worldwide banking elite and are products of bad public education and are clueless to the nature of the beast. Sadly they still believe in America as founded and do not understand the sedious foreign pernicious force that have taken power in most European countries and in the USA.

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» RE: Not many Jews in the US military Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Not many Jews in the US military Posted by: albrechtkrausse
What's New......
Posted by: gvjensen on Jan 27, 2007 4:29 PM   
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Trying to escape the farm, the lack of opportunity, religious fundamentalism.... see the world, young adventurer.

While statistically this may be interesting, what really is interesting is that nearly no Americans are paying the price for this war (except in their share of the national debt and related increases in borrowing costs).

Oh well, some people will do anything to escape the likes of small town midwest or West VA.

Thank goodness there aren't more dead - the real human cost of this war will be the wounded.

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This is not news
Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 27, 2007 4:32 PM   
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Interesting article, but this is not news. Rural Whites, lower income Blacks, etc. have always made up a disproportionate number of the military. The US military doesn't even bother to court young folks from any place else.

Turn on BET (Black Entertainment Television) or CMT (Country Music Television) and you would think these networks were owned by the military--There is one commercial after another promoting joining the military.

I'm waiting for the US Army to create a commercial with a wealthy kid sitting in his mansion explaining to his parents why he needs to join the military.

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They reap what they sow...
Posted by: xbj on Jan 27, 2007 8:34 PM   
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Rural America helped put Bush in office, Rural America still stands beside their "Decider-in-chief", Rural America still overwhlemingly supports the war and "my country, right or wrong", Rural America wants to take their crosses and drive them through the hearts of every Muslim on earth, Rural America goes to church every Sunday and brags on Monday about how many enemy their sons or daughters have killed.

Yes these are generalizations. Not all in Rural America are as described above. And there are plenty of war supporters in big cities highly invested in war profiteering.

But I grew up in Rural America. Rural America, who is losing the most for nothing, deserves EXACTLY what they get. Because it's the only damn way to wake them up, to get some sense into those thick heads of theirs.

Honest-to-goodness honest-to-God Rural American common sense like there's not a Goddamned (literally) thing noble about dying for a Democracy that's turned into a Dictatorship. Or freedom that's turned into slavery. Or that you can't free people BY BOMBING THEM. Or torturing them. Or raping their daughters and sons. Or bring "freedom" to a country by turning it into a living hell. Or that any of those words NO LONGER MEAN WHAT THEY USED TO MEAN because liars and mass murderers and war pigs merely speak them without meaning them, without even HEARING them.

I know, some will never figure out they've been used by an elite to steal trillions from their taxes. Or ever admit that Viet Nam, Iraq, Iran and even the next War Pig moneyminting war in the pipeline were scams that killed their blood for NOTHING but to make them poorer in family and in what little wealth they'd worked their entire lives to achieve. And stolen from their surviving children, and their childrens' children as well.

But some will figure it out. Some will wake up. I'm a product of rural America.

But not anymore.

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The real rural America: fighting terrorism since 1492
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 27, 2007 9:01 PM   
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» Okay, my final comment Posted by: jdylarid
i love Alternet but...
Posted by: mindcryme on Jan 28, 2007 10:59 AM   
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this article is poorly written.

The author writes:
"According to their study, the death rate "for rural soldiers (24 per million adults aged 18 to 59) is 60 percent higher than the death rate for those soldiers from cities and suburbs (15 deaths per million)."

That could be interpreted as meaing: of 100 rural soldiers and 100 urban soldiers, the rural soldiers are more likely to die.

If that were the case, the whole point of the article should be what dynamic is occurring in the military in Iraq that rural soldiers are dying more frequently than the urban soldiers there too. Do the rural soldiers tend to be given more dangerous jobs?

It would have nothing to do with job scarcity in the US.

Poorly written!

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Yostie
Posted by: Yostie on Jan 28, 2007 7:02 PM   
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One reason the people of rural America have declined to challenge the Zionist inspired right wing media democracy engine brainwash (that everyone in America is exposed to continually) is because they've been isolated and shielded from seeing the failure and corruption the Zionist inspired government policies have created in the cities. So the rural peoples have been afforded the opportuity to repose in their laid back lifestyles and comfort zones and to pass negative judgement on all the hyper city dwellers, but what they don't realize is that they're the next ones who are going to get the treatment. In fact it's happening to them now and most of them are totally ill prepared to deal with it. And what's even more bizarre is that, according to the brainwash programming, they want to somehow transfer the reason for their demise onto the Arabs who have nothing to do with it.

There is one angry 'Jew Boy' (according to him) who posts comments on this site who wants to lash out at anyone who posts statements that he considers to be of an 'Anti-Semitic' nature; if he only knew the roots of his ancestry, that those roots have absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew racial bloodline, but which roots are in fact a bastardized Turkish stock that adopted Judiasm as its religion in around 600 A.D. If he would take the time to research the subject it would no doubt bring him down off his high horse and give him a dose of his own medicine and maybe afford him a more compassionate attitude toward the Arabs and Americans who are suffering under the current Judiac/Zionist oppression.

And what most of the so-called 'Jews' and so-called 'American Patriots' (brainwashed diehard idiots mosty) don't realize is that once the Arabs are gotten out of the way the New World Order control machinery will promptly be aimed at them, and against anyone who makes any claim to any religious and/or political ideology that doesn't fall in line with their Satanic world takeover agenda. So the truth of the matter is that the Arabs are the last buffer that is left to protect the Christians of Western Culture from the Satanic New World Order.

Can you imagine the looks of shock on the faces of all the 'patriotic' Bush loving rural dunderheads if they were to find all this out? And what is even worse is that (thanks to the Zionist inspired media democracy engine programming that is mentally controlling most of the people in the US) if you or I were to try to tell them about it they'd look at us as if we were aliens from a galaxy far, far away.

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» RE: Yostie Posted by: richholland
» RE: Yostie Posted by: Yostie
Semitic or not Semitic
Posted by: gellero on Jan 29, 2007 2:32 PM   
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So what if the line is not so pure.....Hitler and other oppressors never made that distinction....

"The Khazars were a warlike people, and succeeded in extending their rule and influence. They were subjected to occasional attacks by the Byzantines and later by the Russians. By the end of the 10th century they succumbed to the Russians, and after maintaining themselves for a short period in the Crimea, some gradually embraced the Christian or Moslem faith, ceasing to exist as a separate people, though many joined with their Jewish brethren."

- David Bridger and Samuel Wolk (editors), in article "Khazars" (pp. 265-266) in The New Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: Behrman House, 1962), page 266.
"Far away, on the steppes of Southern Russia, a whole nation had been converted to Judaism several hundred years ago. Could it be true? Hasdai sends a letter to the king of this foreign people, the Chazars, and receives an answer: the story is true... They were to exist to the thirteenth century, when they were defeated, their remnants joining the Jewish or Christian communities."

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And They Should...
Posted by: bob t on Jan 30, 2007 12:08 PM   
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...pay that price because it is they who voted for and constantly support the rethug agenda for what was once our america but is now rural america's america. It is their republican party, they put Bush/Cheney in power over us so let them pay the price for their illegal christian war. It's clearly a contradiction in terms but the rural poor americans are the very ones who don't see that and even when clearly and repeatedly pointed out to themthey still refuse to accept or understand it. So let them pay the price for what they themselves did to themselves. I have no sense of mercy toward them or what they have done for so very long to the rest of us who are forced to live with what they did.

Am I pissed, you can bet on that, I have been radicalized by these creepy people who call themselves christians. That is why so many of us are so angry, sick at heart and totally disgusted. We have been demonized by these so called christians and their hateful and intolerant religions like the Catholic Church, my church. They have all sold their souls to the devil.

Bob DAmico
Cleve, Oh
rider6474@adelphia.net

If they want to demonize me even more I'm right here. And they better bring Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, the FBI, the NSA and the CIA.

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» your email Posted by: gellero
Don't Be So Quick To Blame...
Posted by: bob t on Jan 30, 2007 1:21 PM   
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...the American Jews or the Israeli Jews. Rather you should blame the Neocons, Republicans, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the american chickenhawks that run our gov't, as well as the Israeli gov't warhawks. Jews in Israel and american Jews have made it clear that they want a fair and lasting peace. They just like most americans are sick of the war/chicken hawk mindset that keeps these wars going on and on and on. But the Israeli gov't is ruled by war/chicken hawks just as our gov't is and neither listen to the people they are supposed to serve.

People don't make war, governments do. Aided by Big Religion and Big Business and Big Neocons who are leftovers from the Holocaust and cannot see that they are creating their own holocaust in the Middle East.

Also remember the staunchest supporters of the Bush/Rethug administration is BIG RELIGION, here in America. Including my own, the Pope and the Catholic Church voters. Without them the repthugs would never have been able to get away with what thewy are doing in/to America and in/to the Middle East peoples. The Popes have been staunchly aligned with the repthuglikkkan party when or before Reagan became president and proceeded to do all his dirty work.

So before you holler about the Jews, first remember that most Jews in America vote for the Democratic party and oppose war because they and I remember very well the support and endorsement given to Hitler and the Nazi Party by Pope Pius XI and Pius XII, which resulted in the Holocaust which is the direct cause of the Neocns. Very likely, no Holocaust would have equalled no Neocons, would have equalled no republican war machine. The whole thing is a complete circle. Bad things done then equals more bad things occurring now. And of course no catholic church support for the republican party equals no republican/Bush Family/Saudi Family oil wars now. And all of this leads to then endless destabilization in the Middle East which may someday consume Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel and every other country in the ME, and possibly America and possibly even the entire world if Bush decides to nuke or attack Iran directly or by proxy which will put us in a war with China and Russia, who can wage a war equal to what Bush can do with his finger on the BIG RED BUTTON.

Also as far as Big Religions go don't forget the other radical right wing evangelical FUNDAMENTALIST religion the white southern FUNDAMENTALIST baptists, they are as deeply involved in this as my religion, catholicism. Remember Falwell and Robertson and many others who would readily start and continue war for religious purposes. Don't be so quick to blame Jews or Muslims for that matter without looking at white Baptists and Catholics.

And ultimately this is a war of they haves vs the have nots. The powerful in america and their supporters vs. the rest of us who are just cannon fodder for corporate welfare and religious welfare which work hand in hand with the repub party, the party of religion, business and the haves.

So before you blame, study, use the internet, Google and wikipedia. It's all their and in great abundance.

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