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War on Iraq

Our Meaningless 'Sacrifice' in Iraq Must Stop

By Keith Olbermann, Countdown. Posted January 5, 2007.


President Bush may not be very good at dealing with reality, but he is still gifted at letting American troops be killed, and then turning their deaths to his own political advantage.
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If in your presence an individual tried to sacrifice an American serviceman or woman, would you intervene?

Would you at least protest?

What if he had already sacrificed 3,003 of them?

What if he had already sacrificed 3,003 of them -- and was then to announce his intention to sacrifice hundreds, maybe thousands, more?

This is where we stand [with] President Bush’s "new Iraq strategy," and his impending speech to the nation, which, according to a quoted senior American official, will be about troop increases and "sacrifice."

The president has delayed, dawdled and deferred for the month since the release of the Iraq Study Group.

He has seemingly heard out everybody, and listened to none of them.

If the BBC is right -- and we can only pray it is not -- he has settled on the only solution all the true experts agree cannot possibly work: more American personnel in Iraq, not as trainers for Iraqi troops, but as part of some flabby plan for "sacrifice."

Sacrifice!

More American servicemen and women will have their lives risked.

More American servicemen and women will have their lives ended.

More American families will have to bear the unbearable and rationalize the unforgivable -- "sacrifice" -- sacrifice now, sacrifice tomorrow, sacrifice forever.

And more Americans -- more even than the two-thirds who already believe we need fewer troops in Iraq, not more -- will have to conclude the president does not have any idea what he’s doing -- and that other Americans will have to die for that reason.

It must now be branded as propaganda -- for even the president cannot truly feel that very many people still believe him to be competent in this area, let alone "the decider."

But from our impeccable reporter at the Pentagon, Jim Miklaszewski, tonight comes confirmation of something called "surge and accelerate" -- as many as 20,000 additional troops -- for "political purposes" ...

This, in line with what we had previously heard, that this will be proclaimed a short-term measure, for the stated purpose of increasing security in and around Baghdad, and giving an Iraqi government a chance to establish some kind of order.

This is palpable nonsense, Mr. Bush.

If this is your intention -- if the centerpiece of your announcement next week will be "sacrifice" -- sacrifice your intention, not more American lives!

As Sen. Joseph Biden has pointed out, the new troops might improve the ratio our forces face relative to those living in Baghdad (friend and foe), from 200 to 1, to just 100 to 1.

"Sacrifice?"

No.

A drop in the bucket.

The additional men and women you have sentenced to go there, sir, will serve only as targets.

They will not be there "short-term," Mr. Bush; for many it will mean a year or more in death’s shadow.

This is not temporary, Mr. Bush.

For the Americans who will die because of you, it will be as permanent as it gets.

The various rationales for what Mr. Bush will reportedly re-christen "sacrifice" constitute a very thin gruel, indeed.

The former labor secretary, Robert Reich, says Sen. John McCain told him that the "surge" would help the "morale" of the troops already in Iraq.

If Mr. McCain truly said that, and truly believes it, he has either forgotten completely his own experience in Vietnam ... or he is unaware of the recent Military Times poll indicating only 38 percent of our active military want to see more troops sent ... or Mr. McCain has departed from reality.

Then there is the argument that to take any steps toward reducing troop numbers would show weakness to the enemy in Iraq, or to the terrorists around the world.

This simplistic logic ignores the inescapable fact that we have indeed already showed weakness to the enemy, and to the terrorists.


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OK Ms. Speaker: The Ball is in Your Court
Posted by: edith on Jan 5, 2007 1:22 AM   
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"Our meaningless sacrifice in Iraq must stop.
And you must stop it."

Surely Obermann's comment is meant to be ironic. W will never yield, bend or admit a mistake.

But Ms. Pelosi, annointed as Speaker yesterday, claimed a mandate from the voters amidst thunderous applause of the House. So after the House bans free plane rides from lobbyists, howzabout a cutoff of additional funds, as proposed by the plucky Dennis Kucinich, to pay for the senseless shooting gallery that is Iraq?

Flex some muscles Nancy. W is not so tough. It's just that nobody has been willing to pull back the curtain to exposed the pathetic fool called the Wizard of Crawford.

In the immortal words of Mick Jagger, are you rough enough?

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withdraw/resign
Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 5, 2007 1:38 AM   
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There is only one thing Bush/Cheney can do in the near future to make the majority of Americans proud of them: set up a timetable for withdrawal of all troups from Iraq or RESIGN.

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» RE: withdraw/resign Posted by: Dboy
» RE: withdraw/resign Posted by: mountainmama
A Good One, Keith...
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 5, 2007 3:31 AM   
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Once again, Kieth Obermann has nailed it.

The war in Iraq is over - it's lost. Anyone paying even a minimum amount of attention can figure that out.

This madness could be stopped tomorrow - Today! - This morning! - This second! - But for purely political reasons, for reasons of satisfying his own stupid ego, the president of the United States will not end it.

Do you have any idea - do you even have a molecule of a clue - as to what a fucking disgusting piece of shit George W. Bush is?

Just asking.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» Cut 'em off at the knees, Tom. Posted by: danielgeery
» RE: Not quite... Posted by: xi_people
» RE: Not quite... Posted by: Tom Degan
» Are we "Crossing the Rubicon"? Posted by: MonkeyBoy
» RE: A Good One, Keith... Posted by: mountainmama
» RE: A Good One, Keith... Posted by: kilgoreT
» RE: A Good One, Keith... Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: A Good One, Keith... Posted by: Tom Degan
how can we stop him?
Posted by: kww355 on Jan 5, 2007 3:39 AM   
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I don't see how we can stop the sonuvabush from doing just what he pleases. The Pentagon's budget has already been approved. He's an oily weasel with a cadre of hand-picked yes men lawyers. They'd find a way to get around anything Congress threw in his path.

As much as I hate to say it, we've got to face facts. Nothing short of a mass rebellion in the military is going to stop him from sending more troops to certain death.

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» RE: how can we stop him? Posted by: Dboy
» Another plan... Posted by: danielgeery
The Last Brave Man in America?
Posted by: djnoll on Jan 5, 2007 4:08 AM   
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Ketih Olbermann has once again shown that he has the courage to speak truth not only to America but to the men in power. It will be sad to see him in jail as the madman of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue moves to silence the press because he will be one of the first arrested. Our phones can now be tapped illegally, our mail read illegally, our troops killed in an illegal war, and our Consitution dismantled through Executive Orders, Signing Statements, and bad laws, so can the end of freedom of the press and free speech be far behind (In Nazi Germany, it was only a matter of a year after their version of the Military Commissions Act).

Mr. Olbermann has yelled and screamed from his only outlet and many Americans, thank God, have listened. But will it be enough? Pay attention to what is happening in Washington, and you see that madman shuffling the deck to create a stronger core of "yes" men to support his agenda, and if anyone thinks that there will be an election for a new President in 2008, watch closely. The Constitution allows a President to assume control indefinitely in time of war for the security of the nation!?! What will Olbermann be able to say when that day comes? With luck and courage he will be able to issue the call to arms to take back our nation from this insanity, but only if he is free to do so. Be careful, Mr. Olbermann, you are a bright light in an otherwise dark world. We need more like you, and Americans need to listen to your words now more than ever.

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It's not about Iraq - The game is up - It's against Iran
Posted by: IanA on Jan 5, 2007 4:42 AM   
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What Olbermann is missing, I believe is, that the one thing that the Bush administration has gleaned from the recommendations of the Baker report is that the Iraq issue is connected to the rest of the Middle East. Your domestic losses of American war dead might be important to the a local audience, but to Bush and most Iraqis who cannot wait to see the back of the last American, who’s war of aggression and occupation has cost Iraq more than 650,000 innocent lives, don’t really see 3000 war dead as very critical to the “bigger picture”.

I believe that the further deployment of 30, or 40,000 or whatever soldiers in this coming “surge” of troupes in Iraq has little or nothing to do with Iraq stabilization but more about keeping a lid on Moqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army while the US and/or Israel bomb Iran probably using nuclear weapons and killing further hundreds of thousands of innocent Shia.

This administration is incapable of going back. So forward can only mean expanding the conflict……. And if you think 3,000 dead servicemen is bad wait until this starts. We are heading into hell with no hope.

Stop more crimes, arrest the criminals before they start bombing. GET RID OF BUSH AND CHENEY! IMPEACH NOW!

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Cut 'em off at the knees.
Posted by: danielgeery on Jan 5, 2007 4:46 AM   
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Put it back on the table
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 5, 2007 5:16 AM   
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When Bush announces his "surge" strategy, it will be time for Nancy to put impeachment back on the table. The madman in the White House will never quit, never admit mistake. He has to be shown the door--back to Crawford where he can't sacrifice any more lives.

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» RE: Put it back on the table Posted by: shhazam4
Life is good.
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jan 5, 2007 5:16 AM   
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If Democrats cut funding for the war, they will fall into a trap set by the Rabid Right to forever accuse them of betraying our troops and losing the war in Iraq. Just as hippies and liberals are still blamed for losing the war in Viet Nam. Of course, that is irrational, but rationality has nothing to do with Republican ideology. They see irrationality as the key to manipulating human nature. Fear and hate mongering and pandering to our dark-side is a more reliable tactic for winning elections than appeals for reason, compassion, justice, tolerance and truth.

The Rabid Right has twisted Christian Values inside out, up side down and ass backwards: greed is good, might makes right, wars of aggression spread freedom and democracy, the poor are to blame for their own plight; racism, intolerance, selfishness, greed and hate are traditional American values. They don’t frame it in those words, but that’s the way it is.

Many American’s have been brainwashed into a sports-fan winner take all militaristic mentality where winning is more important than how you play the game. Never mind that how we play the game defines us both individually and as a nation. Millions of Americans are employed by, vested in and profiting from the Military Industrial Complex’s never ending war. And so far they haven’t suffered any sacrifice. No deaths in the family, no tax increases to pay for the war, no worries . . . Life is good.

Are Americans ready for a strong dose of rationality? I don’t think so. Like alcoholics we will probably have to hit rock bottom before we see the light.

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Do Something
Posted by: wawa on Jan 5, 2007 5:48 AM   
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We the People for Peace and Justice
are 'sacrificing' 3 days in January:

January 27th
We the People for Peace and Justice
Will March in the streets of DC

January 29th
We the People for Peace and Justice
Go to Congress to demand they

DO SOMETHING:

Stop Funding the War
Bring Home the Troops
Assist the Iraqi people in rebuilding their homeland


Be there:
http://unitedforpeace.org/


Only in solidarity do "we have it in our power to begin the world again."-Tom Paine

Public service message from a Florida Coordinator,
e
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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holman
Posted by: ps2987 on Jan 5, 2007 6:35 AM   
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I have felt all along that the "surge" of troops is just a cover for withdrawal. I think Bush & Co. want out as bad as anybody else because they know it is going nowhere over there, but they need a cover story to keep from admitting that they are simply withdrawing. So I see them putting in the extra 20,000 or so troops, and then six months later, regardless of what happens, they will point to some events as "progress', and then declare victory and get out. A la Viet Nam.

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Sacrifice
Posted by: darby1936 on Jan 5, 2007 6:42 AM   
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President Bush, its funny you should mention sacrifice and then turn to domestic issues and the first words out of your mouth are continue the tax cuts. What you really mean is sacrifice for the few and every one else can go about their shopping and shock and awe will take care of the "war on terror.'' Let me give you a hint: shock and awe mean nothing when the U.S. has to occupy a country of people who hate each other and many consider it a priviledge to die. Maybe it is God's way of telling you that even though you are the world's superpower, you can't go around the world invading countries you consider terrorists. In fact most of the world is tired of the word terrorists coming out of your mouth.

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» RE: Sacrifice Posted by: Guy
survivor911
Posted by: survivor on Jan 5, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Yet again, Keith Olbermann knocks one out of the ballpark!
He has done so time & time again. After his first, I thought it would cost him his job. But, he continues to hit home runs everytime.
If only our (P)resident could do the same.
OUR GENERATION NOW HAS OUR OWN "EDWARD R. MURROW"!!!!!!
Thank you, Keith Olbermann for taking the risks you do and telling the truth!

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Madman in the White House
Posted by: ladybugmrg on Jan 5, 2007 7:05 AM   
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The reality is that Bush is insane and needs to be put an instution because his brain, shrunken by drugs and alcohol, is a mass of of disintergrating matter. That can be his and Cheney excuse for the high crimes they have committed. Best scenerio: Bush resigns before impeachment hearing begin, Cheney resigns in disgrace and Pelosi becomes the first female president of the United States.

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Madman in the White House
Posted by: ladybugmrg on Jan 5, 2007 7:06 AM   
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The reality is that Bush is insane and needs to be put an instution because his brain, shrunken by drugs and alcohol, is a mass of of disintergrating matter. That can be his and Cheney excuse for the high crimes they have committed. Best scenerio: Bush resigns before impeachment hearing begin, Cheney resigns in disgrace and Pelosi becomes the first female president of the United States.

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» right on, freethink! Posted by: Beck
Everyone needs to get behind our president...
Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 5, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Especially our combat troops -- just tell him they will be right behind him -- the day he leads the charge; and NOT before!

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Yes, Tom, I do realize that
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 5, 2007 8:24 AM   
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Not only do those words apply to Bush and Cheney, they also apply to every Neocon, every red state cracker, who voted for these pieces of garbage. As I have said MANY times, THERE IS NO UNDERESTIMATING THE GENERAL INTELLIGENCE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

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Mr. Olbermann, you seem to forget about the last 6 years
Posted by: Trazom on Jan 5, 2007 8:25 AM   
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We need you to speak up, right now, in defense of your country’s most precious assets -- the lives of its citizens who are in harm's way.

Poor misguided Mr. Olbermann. If you had been paying attention to this country for the past 6 years then you would have realized that neither Mr. Bush, nor Congress, gives an anecdotal damn about the lives of its citizens. If he or it had, then we would not be in the following situation:

1. 48 million (16%) people without health insurance
2. Negative individual savings rate with skyrocketing, predatory lending fees
3. Skyrocketing energy prices, from oil to gasoline to electricity, with little to no incentives to any of the auto companies to research alternative energy in the past 25 years
4. Much stricter bankruptcy laws, hurting the ones who need the protection the most
5. Jobs disappearing offshore, and no longer just the phone support ones
6. Refusal to implement the recommendations of the 911 Commission
7. Continued subsidies to Big Oil, along with tax cuts to the richest percentage of the population
8. Refusal to implement the Kyoto protocol, or any kind of environmental regulation even coming close to putting a dent in the damage caused thus far
9. Running up a huge trade imbalance and ballooning the federal deficit to historical proportions, all the while telling us to go out and keep spending
10. Suspension of habeas corpus/detention centers, whole Constitution thing
11. Large increase in the student loan rates
12. Severe limitation of federal funding for stem cell research, basically handcuffing any decent progress

I could go on, by what's the point? So we need to bring the troops home so they aren't extinguished as is a flame from a candle when it is snuffed. We need to bring them home so they can drown in the pool of wax as the candle slowly burns itself out. Either way mission accomplished.

Where were we when all of these atrocities were being committed? Why weren't we speaking up then?

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An attempt at delay?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2007 8:27 AM   
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Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joe Biden (D-DE) said yesterday that he believes top officials in the Bush administration — “maybe even including the vice president” — have “privately concluded they have lost Iraq and are simply trying to postpone disaster so the next president will ‘be the guy landing helicopters inside the Green Zone, taking people off the roofs".

Washington Post story

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» I saw this too.... Posted by: CatDad
Political PUNditry...
Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 5, 2007 8:28 AM   
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Now that Rumsfield's minnie military strategy has proven to be both mickey mouse and full of bugs we have to ask oursevles was he daffy or just plain goofy... And, will he take responsibility or will Donald duck?

BTW, BTW, BTW...that's all folks.... :)

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Sacrifice???
Posted by: badkitty on Jan 5, 2007 8:35 AM   
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Since when is the death of a soldier fighting an illegal war a sacrifice?

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» RE: Sacrifice??? Posted by: Carl Street
» RE: Sacrifice??? Posted by: aussidawg
Operation Total Recall
Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 5, 2007 8:40 AM   
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Instead of complaining about gutless whiney politicos of BOTH parties who fail to perform in bringing our troops home and prosecute those responsible; How about launching Operation Total Recall -- Inform all those lying jerks starting with Pelosi, that they have 30 days to get off their duffs after which recall petitions will be launched to remove them from office. After all, we all KNOW the LAST thing politicians want is to have to live the lives we do under the laws THEY pass.

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» RE: Operation Total Recall Posted by: aonghus36
healinghawk
Posted by: healinghawk on Jan 5, 2007 8:47 AM   
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Troops will not begin leaving Iraq until Big Oil gets what they paid for - PSAs giving them Iraq's oil. If the US military can, for a few moments, "stabilize" Iraq, it can then wrest the PSAs from the Iraqi government. "The Prize" is the oil. Looking anywhere else is delusional. Big Oil bought and paid for this regime and it's not going to give up its intention. When this regime is gone, we can get our military out of Iraq and Afghanistan, where the aim is to construct the pipeline the Taliban would not allow. Not a minute before then. Therefore, I advocate impeaching both Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, ASAP.

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» RE: healinghawk Posted by: polyquat50
Kurt Nimo:
Posted by: rwa on Jan 5, 2007 8:49 AM   
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"As usual, Keith Olbermann, one of the only sane voices left in the corporate media, the other being Lou Dobbs, had a few choice words about this:

Olbermann, however, trumpets the "liberal" line, namely Bush (read: the neocons) has no idea what he is doing in Iraq.

Admittedly, Bush may not know what he is doing from one moment to the next, as he is a former drunk and drug abuser, and thus a mental graveyard, but his coterie of neocons most certainly know what they are doing—coming up with excuses to send more troops into Iraq, not to win that which cannot be won, as another basket case, McCain, would have us believe, but rather to see through "mission accomplished," the destruction and balkanization of Iraq. It’s a work in progress, with horrifying results. For instance, last weekend, a series of car bombings killed more than 70 people in Shia neighborhoods in the hours after Saddam Hussein was lynched by a gaggle of puppets installed by the neocons."

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He's done it again
Posted by: Boomerang on Jan 5, 2007 9:05 AM   
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Keith Olberman continues to show us why he's the best damn journalist alive today. His special comments and his tireless commitment to exposing the ridiculous failures of the Bush administration are the stuff of legends. We should wish other journalists were as brave.

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A 6 Billion Step Program
Posted by: logspirit on Jan 5, 2007 11:29 AM   
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The disease is oil dependency. War is a symptom. We're probably going cold turkey, with shake ups and convulsions -- whether we like it or not -- and with some addictions that's fatal. Can we find a 12 or perhaps a 6 billion step program? Can we find a way to walk away from this burning, sulfurous tar pit? How many more will be left behind, stuck, sacrificed?

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Bush - a new chapter in experimental psychology
Posted by: Trazom on Jan 5, 2007 12:00 PM   
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What is the point of all the study groups, the shake-ups, the personnel changes, the rewording of the words of war themselves, if all he is going to do is continue down his self created path of disillusionment? Pray tell me, what is the point? Why the dog and pony show? Why can't he just come on the TV and give the whole American public a big "F You" and be done with it? Then at least his actions would match his words.

You know what this president is? He is the first lab rat to keep pushing the buzzer with his nose that continually gives him an electrical shock. He knows what the outcome will be each time before he does it, yet he pushes it just the same. Same action, same outcome. Every time. From time to time someone may redesign the maze to make it harder to get to the buzzer, or place some obstacles in his way, but he, being the unstoppable little rodent he is, simply finds a way to reach it. And push it again.

The above example illustrates his psychotic thinking and accurately portrays reality, only we are the ones being electrocuted (more aptly our service men and women). But he still pushes the button. This is not demonstrative of analytical thinking and adaptability based on changing inputs (a uniquely human trait). This is exemplary of someone with his pre-frontal cortex having been removed a long time ago.

If you burn your finger under hot water from a faucet, you don't then put your whole hand under the stream.

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George Veronis
Posted by: veronis on Jan 5, 2007 12:04 PM   
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W is seriously insane. He cares not for the troops. Nor does he care about anything other than somehow emerging from the mess that he created. But just as he listened to no one before getting us into the mess, he is not going to lisen to anyone who has an opinion different from his. He is simply looking for new stooges to do his bidding, which is to send more young people to their deaths. We have to put pressure on Nancy, Harry and the others who have not followed in W's path to insist on getting our troops out. The situation in Iraq is not going to become worse if we pull out - it can't. Iraqis would not have a common enemy in their midst to shoot at and to blame for their ills. So they would become more sensible and would look for viable solutions if we would just get out of the way. And our young people would come back home.

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more than Americans dead
Posted by: cbishopp on Jan 5, 2007 12:34 PM   
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Though over three thousand soldiers have died in this deplorable conflict it is shocking that Americans can only see the harm in the death of our own people as opposed to hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghani civilians.
All of our soldiers are making huge sacrifices to protect American interests. Most of them are just kids. Some of them are taking part in torturing and killing innocent people every day.
Wether we begin to withdraw or stay the course, the damage has been done and this is far from over. Our time to act was in 2002. Now it is too little too late and most of the world as well as the Muslim community see us as blood thirsty psychopaths.
We have justified a jihad and I, for one, am a little terrified.
What's worse is that we stand around watching this administration and Congress commit crime after crime without control or reprimand.
I am an American and I love my country, but I am afraid and ashamed and starting to feel an uneasy certainty that we will pay our dues soon if this wound is not healed.
Those dues will not be cheap, I can assure you.

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RE: WHAT THE HELL...
Posted by: Mewsician on Jan 5, 2007 2:34 PM   
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point is it, again, that you're evidently attempting to make, cheneybush2008? Do you even really HAVE one?

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I'll have what he's having!
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 5, 2007 2:44 PM   
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Never exhaled?

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New Secretary of State?
Posted by: Abushite on Jan 5, 2007 3:19 PM   
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Is it true that C.Rice is resigning because she does not want to go down with her boss. Negroponte to take over.
He has only been 5 minutes in the top security job - As for appointing the US ambassador to Iraq to be promoted to US ambassador to the UN - what does this tell us about Bush's ability to manage anything! Are there no good republicans left outside Washington for God's sake! Probably not! Talk about "not being able to manage a bunfight in a bakery" Totally incompetent !

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when ya gonna show up and serve, cheneybush?
Posted by: Beck on Jan 5, 2007 3:48 PM   
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Come on. think of how thrilling it will be to finally put manly action behind your oh-so-brave words. Face it. You're here, safe and sound. You'll never do a damned patriotic thing. Those words are the bravest move you'll ever make. You could at least try and make sense when you're being so inconsistent.

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Just the facts please!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jan 5, 2007 4:57 PM   
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Keith Olbermann - regardless of the merits of his argument, (one that doesnt show much depth or understanding of events, implications etc) has revealed himself as nothing more than capable of jumping on the "liberal Bush bashing wagon" - nothing concrete, no special insights, ..just more garbage... too bad!

Now to analyze some of his comments..
“This, in line with what we had previously heard, that this will be proclaimed a short-term measure, for the stated purpose of increasing security in and around Baghdad, and giving an Iraqi government a chance to establish some kind of order.”

And this is a problem.. Olbermann would just pull out and not give this a chance... a short term "date set" effort.. This makes the most sense of any proposal by anyone! what is Olbermann thinking.. not much obviously!

""""Then there is the argument that to take any steps toward reducing troop numbers would show weakness to the enemy in Iraq, or to the terrorists around the world. This simplistic logic ignores the inescapable fact that we have indeed already showed weakness to the enemy, and to the terrorists.""" -----

well, to this I could add we sure have..with every insult hurled at the President, every time we support anti American dictators such as Chavez, every time we appear to support dictators such as Saddam or Hizbollah.. terrorists know they have a support base in this country.. yep..we have shown them weakness..

"That Mr. McCain is selling himself off to the irrational right, parcel by parcel, like some great landowner facing bankruptcy, seems to be obvious to everybody but himself."
-- I suspect that by the personal attacks absent of any facts or logical alternatives Olbermann has indeed slod himself to what must appear to be his audiance - the left.. just a little less mindless insults and alot more in the fact category and he might have something here... lord knows we can use an impartial analysis absent the "reality TV" drama and nonsense!

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Time to Sacrifice the Bush Administration
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Jan 5, 2007 5:44 PM   
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These chicken hawks need to pick up a weapon, fly to Iraq, and walk a post OUTSIDE THE GREEN ZONE. Then they will know the meaning of sacrifice. If they are unable to equally bear the burden of their war policy, then nobody else should be called to - bring our men and women home. Bush is a mass murder who will never be able to wash the blood off his hands.

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Doggycuny
Posted by: Doggycuny on Jan 5, 2007 8:03 PM   
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All this nonsense is hilarious. Americans voted for Bush. They voted to send troops to die, so who cares?
If someone wants to go and die in Iraq, let them!
Its all for a good cause anyway!
Its not like its important businessman dying or anything.
They're only troops. When one dies, we just send another.

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It's Orwell's 1984, except that it is 2007
Posted by: halg on Jan 5, 2007 11:51 PM   
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Has W. read 1984? Or any other book for that matter?

Never mind that. If he could just read the Wikipedia summary of 1984, he might see himself, freak out, and recognize the a$$hole he really is. Assuming he is not drunk as usual.

The war between Oceania and Eurasia (this week) is eerily similar to our current war against the "Axis of Evil." Twenty years ago, we supported criminal regimes like Iraq (Eurasia); today we ally ourselves with other questionable regimes (Eastasia? who knows) to fight Iraq (Eurasia). Switching sides to suit current political aims is a frequent maneuver in Oceania's history, much like the history of the US government. And the Republocrats ("The Party") survives just to keep feeding itself, continually punishing the public with abuses of civil liberties, and sedating their frustration with diversions. (Free Speech Zones == Daily Demonstration?)

I know I am not the first one to spot this. My question is, how did these a$$hole$ get this far, when a 75-year-old novel sagely predicting where we are now should have stopped to make people think? Not once, but twice, in less than 5 years! Maybe the Europeans were right; how many idiots are there in this country? Or is it really just our broken voting machines?

I think it is about time that ZInn's "People's History of the US", Orwell's 1984, and similar light-shedding works become standard reading in public schools. Feel free to add to this canon of clear, idiocy-free literature ...

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