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War on Iraq

Antiwar Vietnam Vets Mentor Next Generation of Resisters

By Jessica Pupovac, AlterNet. Posted December 7, 2006.


About 8,000 soldiers have gone AWOL since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and many of them are looking to their predecessors for support.
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The way AWOL Iraq vet Kyle Snyder sees it, "The GI resistance was one of the main things that ended the Vietnam war, and it's going to be a very important part of ending the one we're in now."

That's why he and others like him, who oppose the war in Iraq, are welcoming the help of their predecessors in their present-day struggle.

On October 28, Snyder returned from Canada, where he has been living ever since he went AWOL in August 2005. He was accompanied by Vietnam war resister and anti-war activist Gerry Condon, who he met in Vancouver shortly after his arrival. They were under the impression that his lawyer, Jim Fennerty, had worked it all out. He was to be processed at Fort Knox and would receive an honorable discharge.

"I just wanted to put this whole thing behind me," Snyder said. He claims that about an hour after he arrived, the Army changed its tune and wanted instead to put him on a Greyhound bus to rejoin his unit, now at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri. "I never got on that bus," he said with a smirk. "I went to a bar near the bus station instead -- and called my lawyer."

This Veteran's Day, Snyder gathered with dozens of other antiwar Veterans, young and old, for a day of political protest, camaraderie and movement building at the National Vietnam Veterans Art Museum in Chicago. The Vietnam Veterans took the lead in organizing the events, which Vietnam Vets Against the War and Vets for Peace have been holding annually for years now. They manned the barbecue. They slapped backs and reconnected with old friends. Their younger counterparts, in contrast, spoke in quieter tones. They looked on, listened to words of advice and received a warm welcome.

The gathering in Chicago was part of a national trend in which Vietnam vets who fought tirelessly to end that war are passing the torch to a new generation of soldiers breaking rank. Many Vietnam Veterans have played a key role in their reintegration into American society, providing emotional, political and financial support.

Vietnam Veterans have also been instrumental in offering help to ex-Iraq soldiers who went AWOL.

According the Air Force Times, the Pentagon has registered approximately 8,000 deserters since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. While many of them are living underground in the United States, the War Resisters Support Campaign, a Canadian network of individuals supporting incoming soldiers with material and legal assistance, estimates that there are "as many as 200 or more military personnel in Canada today."

Lee Zaslofsky is the Campaign Coordinator for the Campaign. He went AWOL in 1970 and, like many during that time, crossed the border into Canada. He has since become a Canadian citizen. When he saw an announcement about a planning meeting for the organization two years ago, he decided to check it out. "There were a lot of people there who I recognized and had worked with in the past, so I knew that they were for real," he said, speaking on the phone from Toronto. "A good proportion of people involved in the organization are either draft dodgers or war resisters, like me."

As of April, 25 servicemen refusing to deploy to Iraq had filed claims for political refugee status. An applicant is legally allowed to stay in Canada, and may apply for a work permit, while their application is being considered. So far, two applicants, Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, have been denied by the Refugee Board. Hinzman is appealing the decision in Federal Courts.

Jeffrey House, a former draft dodger who moved to Canada when his number came up in 1970, is the lawyer representing Hinzman. House is basing his case on the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting wars of aggression, as well as the Nuremberg Principles, which state that a soldier has not only a right, but a responsibility to refuse to take part in war crimes, regardless of their orders.

House claims that by attempting to obey international laws, his clients face persecution in the United States. Indeed, just last month, the U.S. Army announced its intention to court martial two deserters already in custody: Lt. Ehren K Watada and Army Spc. Suzanne Swift.


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Jessica Pupovac is an adult educator and independent journalist living in Chicago.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 7, 2006 1:44 AM   
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Who better than Veterans know the true hell of war? These guys in DC who create the war crimes make others be injured and killed to increase their profits. The Bakers and all the rest are the true criminals who slickly break international and national laws so they can order up soldiers to help them commit mass murder for personal and family profit. Impeach these slime balls.

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What if you had a war and NOBODY SHOWED UP??????
Posted by: Prophit on Dec 7, 2006 4:25 AM   
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Hahaha, that is how to get us out of Iraq. Everyone stays home and refuses to fight. That is the only way. WE need to support all those who will stay home. 8,000, while a lot, is a small percentage of those fighting, we need to increase the number of those who should refuse to fight.

I say carry a sign, "I will go and fight, but only when Jenna Bush shows up to do the same"!!!!! If anyone knows someone in these various organizations please share their contact information. I think its time for us civilians who TALK A LOT, to start interacting with these vet organizations to learn what we can ACTUALLY DO to help stop this war. I have the will, just lack the knowledge and skill to help. I am open to any suggestions as should all of us.

I hope others on this site will join me in calling for this coming together to activate a larger movement. What do you say??? WE CERTAINLY CAN'T RELY ON THE DEMS AS WE ARE DISCOVERING! THEY WILL TAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION AS LETTING THEM OFF THE HOOK ON THIS. I wonder...... do you think some of the dems are being blackmailed??? I can't figure out their behavior!

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We Beg Their Parden
Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 7, 2006 5:25 AM   
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When the next president takes the oath of office the first thing he or she do - even before making the inaugural address - is to sign an executive order granting a full and unconditional pardon to any and all soldiers who had the good sense not to take part in this atrocity. This is the only reasonable thing to do. Deserting the military during this obscenity that was created by the Bush mob was not only justified, it was commendable.

Face it: these kids were lied to. They were led to believe that Saddam Hussein was directly responsable for the carnage of September 11th. When it became obvious to EVERYONE that the only reason for invading Iraq was so that a handful of GOP-connected profiteers could seize the Iraqi oil wells, what else were they to do?

As I said on this site over a year ago, this war is over. Get used to the idea. There was never a chance of winning it. The so-called "Iraq Study Group" came to that same conclusion yesterday. They didn't come right out and say it but the implications were as clear as day and couldn't be missed. When a doctor tells you that your condition is "grave and deteriorating", it's a good idea not to make any vaction plans for next summer.

For the second time in a generation, a half-witted Texan has forced America into an unwinnable war - but this time we've lost two wars! In the midst of the Iraq catastrophe we've lost sight of the fact that Afghanistan conflict is all but over as well.

Don't pray for victory. Pray for God's will.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Turning "liberal" for a moment
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Dec 7, 2006 5:40 AM   
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An American soldier in a hospital explained how he was wounded: He said

“I was told that the way to tell a hostile Vietnamese from a friendly Vietnamese was to shout ‘To hell with Ho Chi Minh!’ If he shoots, he’s unfriendly. So I saw this dude and yelled ‘To hell with Ho Chi Minh!’ and he yelled back, ‘To hell with President Johnson!’ We were shaking hands when a truck hit us.”

- from 1,001 Ways to Beat the Draft, by Tuli Kupferburg.

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Do your duty or go directly to jail(Do not pass GO)
Posted by: kbest on Dec 7, 2006 6:59 AM   
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Hard labor in a federal pen. That's what deserters deserve. This is a volunteer military. Doing the job necessary.
Deal with it!

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December 7th
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Dec 7, 2006 9:02 AM   
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has anyone on here noticed - seems not. a moment of silence for those that fought for their country and made all that we have today possible.

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If you support the war, now is the time to enlist
Posted by: sarahk on Dec 7, 2006 10:53 AM   
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No more excuses if you support the Iraq war and are under 45. NOW is when you need to put your body where your mouth is and enlist. The rules for enlistment have been lowered so that if you are pregnant, or under 45, or drug-addicted, or have a drug conviction (or all of these combined) you can still enlist. Recruiters will be happy to see you and will work with you through any of these issues so you can enlist.

The soldiers on the ground in Bahgdad are desperate for reinforcements. The big reason we can't stay in Iraq is that 30,000 troops will have rotated out by the end of this year, and there are no replacements left. While politians discuss the Iraq Civil War as the reason for the pull-out, the administration would like to keep all the troops in Iraq if they could, but they are stymied by the lack of fresh troops.
Many US kids have died and are dying in Iraq because of the decision of Bush to go to war. If you still stand with Bush and believe in the various reasons that the administration has given for going into this war, then act like a man. Sign up if you can meet the recruitment checklist. The soldiers in Baghdad will be happy to see you.

If you can't enlist, you should make time to visit your local VA hospital and ask to work with vets from Iraq. They need all the help you can offer.

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GW BUSH #1 DRAFT-DODGER/CHICKEN HAWK HIMSELF
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 7, 2006 3:54 PM   
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Well, if you support the war, GW Bush, how about one or two of your kids going? Where are all the kids of the senators and Congressmen who support the war? Almost all at Ivy League schools I am afraid. And, GW Bush, what was your war service? Everyone knows your poppy scammed you out of Vietnam with the Guard. GW Bush, Senators and Congressmen who support the war, but have sacrificed nothing, are the real chickenhawks by the way. This WAR is nothing more then akin to the wars fought by Roman Legions centuries ago to expand the Empire, and more recently, by the Nazis for the control of Europe. Supporting Democracy? I think you need an IQ test to believe that. Why do people support it?

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Where are the WMDs?
Posted by: boing007 on Dec 7, 2006 4:18 PM   
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To conservasaurus,

The WMD thing was a bit sticky and the UN couldn't verify the status...
Well, sir, they haven't found them yet.

Some of the soldiers in Iraq have raped and murdered innocent people. Remember Abu Ghraib?
The massacre at Fallujah? I met U.S. soldiers who were going back to Vietnam for the third or fourth time and brother, there was no life left in their eyes, only a thirst for more combat. They had lost every shred of human decency and had become hired killers, paid for by the U.S. taxpayers.
Don't you have even just a little sympathy for the thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians of all ages who have lost their homes and their lives since this monstrous invasion began? Where is your humanity, man? All those respected members of the ISG make me sick. No one asked the U.S. to invade Iraq and yet there they are deciding Iraq's fate. You have no right to do that. Mind your own business and stop screwing people around with your geo-political superpower politics.

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Posted by: Halaby on Dec 7, 2006 3:18 PM
I thought the WMD thing was sorted out, at least Hans Blick and Scott Ritter declared there were no WMD's in Iraq. Just recently, a Dutch business man was sentenced to 20 years in prison for selling the precursor chemicals used to manufacture the poison gas used during the Iraq-Iran war. The chemicals were manufactured here in the USA and shipped from Maryland. We took Iraq off of our terrorist state list during the Reagan administration in order for this to happen.

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vietnam vet
Posted by: jacolesdad on Dec 20, 2006 9:29 AM   
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I served as a marine rifleman in Viet Nam, 1968-69. I’ve read much Viet Nam war literature and published a collection of war poetry, On The Way to Khe Sanh, (three of which appeared in The Iowa Review, Spring 2005), and a memoir, Nam Au Go Go - Falling for the Vietnamese Goddess of War.

Nam Au Go Go is different. It talks about something no one I can find has written about - what violence does to war fighters. How, if combat soldiers and marines see too much, do too much, they can cross a threshold into an adaptation to violence and become addicted to it. When your emotional self is killed off by the insanity of war, survivors of this addiction have a hard time re-connecting with society. Combat is a one-way door. Once you go through, you cannot go back. You are changed.

For a glimpse, go to www.johnakins.net

Find Nam Au Go Go on booksellers’ websites.
e: jacolesdad@comcast.net

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