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War on Iraq

Why Did We Let Bush Try to Bring Wal-Mart to Iraq?

By John Dolan, AlterNet. Posted September 16, 2006.


The USA wouldn't be stuck in conflicts abroad if only we could stop believing that the American way is the best way.
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One of the insults you're sure to hear if you dare to suggest that we might not have the right to turn Iraq into Little America is "cultural relativist." It's a strange insult, because the people flinging it at you have absolutely no idea what it means. That's the point: "Cultural relativism" is a charge meant to dazzle the victim with its obscurity, like every 9-year-old's favorite word, "antidisestablishmentarianism." At my elementary school, that word was considered to have magical power because it was, supposedly, longer than any other word in the language.

But at least we 9-year-olds weren't lame enough to use it as an insult, or assume that it actually meant anything.

The right-wing regurgitators who spew out "cultural relativism" truly believe they're engaging in some pretty hardcore intellectual critique when they drop that multisyllabic bunker-buster on you. And how do they know this? Because a horde of 10th-rate intellectuals like New York Times columnist David Brooks and Newt Gingrich have said that that cultural relativism is the root of all left-wing evil. Gingrich has a soundbyte on the topic, often cited by rightwing bloggers: "Cultural relativism is like saying that going to McDonald's or boiling up your neighbor have equal merit as culturally driven ways of having lunch."

If Gingrich were a real intellectual, he might know that the true birth of cultural relativism was marked by Montaigne's essay "on Cannibals" in 1580. Montaigne, like all the smarter, braver Europeans of the time, tried to learn from the other cultures Europe was encountering around the world, rather than simply condemning them for all the ways in which they differed from Europe. He compared the cruelties of cannibal tribes with those of European "justice." His point was not that one culture was superior to the other, but that every human ever born finds it dangerously easy to revile the savagery of other tribes, but very difficult to see the brutalities of their homeland: "...while we quite rightly judge [the cannibals'] faults, we are blind to our own."

Of course Gingrich wouldn't know Michel de Montaigne from Joe Montana, so his comparison of cannibalism to eating at Mickey D's was pure dumb luck -- lucky for us, that is. Because in comparing cannibalism with eating at McDonald's -- clearcutter of rainforests, fattener-up of the poor and gullible -- Gingrich offers a perfect example of the bias Montaigne was trying to overcome: smugly certain of his own tribe's superiority, blind to its cruelties. Gingrich would never reflect on the fact that the New World cannibal tribes Montaigne discussed were among the first victims of the encounter with "the West." The Carib, most famous of these tribes, committed mass suicide rather than be enslaved by the European conquerors. It seems obvious that their brutality was more than matched by that of the Europeans. That, of course, is cultural relativism. It's also common sense.

Cultural relativism starts with a very simple, sensible premise: Every time and place is unique, and its standards can't be transposed to any other time and place without fudging the comparison. Cultural relativism is thus a form of intellectual rigor -- a very uncomfortable one, compared to the cozy simplicity of cheering for your tribe and sneering at all others. Whenever serious intellectuals apply cultural relativism to their studies, they face the wrath of tame pundits. Nietzsche, the greatest modern relativist, is still regularly slandered by tenured cowards for daring to treat philosophers' most cherished concepts as historical artifacts rather than timeless truths.

You'll note that so far I've cited a Frenchman and a German as examples of the intellectual courage it takes to face the scary fact of cultural relativism. Unfortunately, America got its tutors from Britain, whose intellectuals have always been much more timid and inclined to collaboration than those of continental Europe. After the French Revolution, Britain actively discouraged intellectual inquiry of all sorts that might have interfered with the mass production of the practical, unimaginative, cruel men needed to run the empire. Great minds in 19th century Britain went into the sciences, where a certain degree of intellectual freedom was tolerated. That's one of the major reasons that what passes for the American intelligensia has been so craven and tongue-tied in defending cultural relativism.

Of course, you don't need to be an intellectual to see the total stupidity of the right-wing phobia on this topic. Just look at the record -- the blood-soaked, benighted, horrible record of the human species during all those centuries when there was no such thing as cultural relativism. And did that make for a peaceful existence? Choose any historical period, any region of the world, and you'll find that long before cultural relativism appeared, tribes were killing each other in the cheerful, absolute certainty that their god or gods wanted them to massacre their neighbors. That's the reality of those "moral absolutes" right-wingers proclaim as the grounding of decent behavior: the absolute right to hack to death anyone who doesn't share your tribe's religion, table manners or musical taste. When writers like Montaigne forced their readers to consider the possibility that we should be wary of judging other tribes, it was possible to argue, for the first time, that participating in tribal wars of annihilation might not be a religious obligation -- might, in fact, be mere arrogant savagery. You can see how it might have been handy to remind our fellow Americans of this, right around the time that Bush & Co. were telling us that we had a moral obligation to liberate Iraq.


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John Dolan is an editor of the Moscow-based English-language alternative paper, the eXile. He is the author of, most recently, "Pleasant Hell" (Capricorn, 2005).

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Posted by: kittynboi on Sep 16, 2006 12:39 AM   
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Given the current state of things in Iraq, I think the presence of Wal-Mart there should be the least of our worries.

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» RE: 9_9 Posted by: Ahimsa
» RE: 9_9 Posted by: kittynboi
» RE: 9_9 and yes. Posted by: symcokid
Re; "making war"
Posted by: kittynboi on Sep 16, 2006 12:44 AM   
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I'm not a fan of making war, regardless of whether the excuse for it is "Security" or "culture".

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moral
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 16, 2006 1:08 AM   
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I think the moral of this piece is: don't go crazy over the teachings of any one "great" person (Jesus, Abraham, Mohammad, etc.) for you will only get sucked into killing your "enemies" and getting killed yourself. Instead, try to do the best and most moral thing based on ideas from many different civilizations, cultures, nations, etc. And do some thinking yourself instead of relying on other folks to tell you what to think or do. Impeach the Bushies for being narrowminded fools.

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» RE: moral Posted by: manitay
» RE: moral Posted by: medbear
» RE: moral Posted by: rsaxto
All this war is about exporting American business and culture
Posted by: Bobsays on Sep 16, 2006 3:10 AM   
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The problem began with globalisation, which in the 1990s emerged as a concept to hardwire the world into an American-led, freemarket model. It has been termed various things, including 'New World Order'. It has many guises, one of which is the Jeffrey Sachs-led Millennium Development Goals.

All these various tools and concepts have one goal: to smooth the path to expanding multinational companies into every crevice of the earth. From the multinationals stand point, it all makes sense: they can't increase profits without finding new markets. But the blowback for this search for new profits is the worldwide Islamic war.

It is now time to start questioning the notion that everywhere on the planet needs to be remade in the US model. How much is this an intelligent strategy, and how much is it just a foolish piece of idealism?

Also, can we justify our current approach of forcing this on people by military might?

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» An even better parallel Posted by: Lloyd Drako
Cultural Relativism Is Meaningless
Posted by: Thrasymachus on Sep 16, 2006 3:28 AM   
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John Dolan's attempt to defend cultural relativism doesn't make any sense. He says we should be open to war-making cultures (e.g., the Afghanis and Somalis), yet he condemns anti-war cultures (e.g., liberal "unitarians") while claiming that ALL cultures are relative and that we have no right to criticize them. He violates his own principle of cultural relativism.

Montaigne didn't make that mistake. In the very quote used by Dolan, Montaigne says "we quite rightly judge [the cannibals'] faults" -- clearly this is a moral judgment against cannibal culture! But Dolan doesn't want us to make moral judgments against other cultures. Why not? Because he thinks that doing so blinds us to the flaws of our own culture.

Sorry, Dolan, we are not really stuck between the false choice of Bush's imperialist triumphalism or facile liberal moralism. It is possible (and necessary) to adopt a sophisticated understanding of both our own cultural strengths and flaws, and to apply that capacity for self-criticism to our interactions with other cultures. We can recognize the very real possibility of moral/cultural hypocrisy while still insisting that cannibalism, "raiding and clan war", and other offenses against human dignity are true evils. Does that mean we can anoint ourselves the policemen of the world, and go around reforming (or killing) those who practice these evils? Of course not. But recognizing evil for what it is, in ourselves first of all but in others (and others' cultures) as well, is an indispensable ingredient of being human.

Otherwise we would logically be obliged to accept American imperialist atrocities without dissent, since dissent violates the principle of cultural relativism. That would be truly unacceptable.

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Cultural Relativism not the Real Issue
Posted by: Taylor on Sep 16, 2006 4:10 AM   
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Using the idea / ideal of cultural relativism to argue against Bushco forcing “American Values” on Iraq and other nations doesn’t do anything to address the real issue here and actually plays into the administration’s con. Bushco isn’t trying to bring “American values” to Iraq or anywhere else. That’s just a pretense they’re using to obscure the real goal of furthering world corporate domination. Arguing against Bush administration policies in terms of cultural relativism only serves to reinforce the hegemony by adding to the appearance of legitimacy the notion that America's goal is to spread freedom, democracy, etc.

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Somehow it all makes sense
Posted by: mat38 on Sep 16, 2006 4:11 AM   
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Corporations are running our country and are wealthier than most nations on the planet. What difference does it make to them if we desire social justice and peace in our lifetime? They are inanimate enterprises run by omputers and data and human slaves who think thay have careers instead of a form of captivity to their masters. They are the reason for sweathop labor, human trafficking, poor heatlh care, starvation, and war. We really are headed towards a day of reckoning when the machine is our enemy and we will perish under their tryanny.

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» RE: Somehow it all makes sense Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Somehow it all makes sense Posted by: bipuffcloud
But didn't someone say...
Posted by: pcushniesr on Sep 16, 2006 6:04 AM   
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... that inside every foreigner is an American waiting to come out?

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» RE: But didn't someone say... Posted by: Astroboy
Creative Destruction
Posted by: AlienSlave on Sep 16, 2006 6:12 AM   
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Here is a small cut and paste from the middle of an article By Mark LeVine I came across while researching facts on a different subject...................


The idea of "creative destruction" first was popularized by Austrian economist Rudolph Schumpeter more than half a century ago to describe how capitalism simultaneously destroys existing social systems and profits from the economic and social systems that take their place.

In the 1980s, US business "gurus" such as Tom Peters saw, with the revolutions in technology and production, and simultaneously the disintegration of the Soviet bloc and the bipolar world it helped keep in order, not only the need to manage the chaos that was on the horizon, but the possibility to "thrive on" and profit from it immensely.

Neo-liberal globalizers and neo-conservatives, and ultimately the Bush administration, would latch on to creative destruction as a way of describing the process by which they hoped to create their new world orders.

For all who celebrated creative destruction, the United States was, in the words of neo-conservative philosopher and Bush adviser Michael Ledeen, "an awesome revolutionary force" for whom creative destruction was (and, we can assume, remains) "our middle name".

It seems the only people in the world who know nothing of this Patriotic National policy of the free enterprise system is the well informed Joe six pack crowd of the USA. Now take a deep breath and honestly ask yourself what is meant by failed National Policy abroad or better yet what the true definition of Capitalist is. If you what to drive a gas guzzling SUV and pay only 99 cents a gallon then STFU and support those people who know how to go get it at that price for you.
AlienSlave

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» RE: Creative Destruction Posted by: YinRising
» RE: Creative Destruction Posted by: cacky
PANDORA'S THONG or RELATIVE CULTURISM
Posted by: cognitorex on Sep 16, 2006 7:09 AM   
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The Setting: a MIDDLE EAST WOMEN'S RIGHTS RALLY: an Arabic Mother & Daughter are speaking as Laura Bush approaches the podium.

Mom: Doesn't Mrs. Bush look lovely? She somehow reminds me of Mary Tyler Moore.

Dghtr: You actually know other American rights' activists?

Mom: (laughing) Oh no. Mary Tyler Moore is a TV character. She represents an ideal, a woman who works and of course votes yet knows exactly where women's rights end and "pushy" begins.

Dghtr: If you say so Mom, but speaking of rights, can I get a thong?

Mom: A what? A thong?

Dghtr: You know, underwear. Like Brittany and Madonna wear. The single strip up your bum. I want a bright red camel thong.

Mom: (momentarily thinking) ....And a tattoo to match, right?

Dghtr: That would be nice.

Mom: And all this would be followed by your Father giving his blessing for your Brother to marry his buddy Gamel...?

Dghtr: (In great consternation) Mother!

Mom: (aside) Perhaps we shouldn't have come here.

END

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mdruss42
Posted by: mdruss42 on Sep 16, 2006 7:18 AM   
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There is a disconnect between what the voting population in the Us is taught to believe about ourselves in order to go along with the various slaughters carried out in our names....and the actual reasons for those slaughters. Arguments such as this one are like the angels on the head of a pin obscuring the various slaughters of the Catholic church over its history. At some point we need to look at the results of our Noble Quest and decide just how noble it is...... that is , we the people, the voters, need to decide on our nobility after we learn the real history of our country..... the WM who run this country know what they think and are churning out like thinkers in Ivy League universities yearly.

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Cannibals
Posted by: sulphurdunn on Sep 16, 2006 7:28 AM   
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The strong eat the weak. Culture is merely the veneer that allows us not to see it.

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» RE: Cannibals Posted by: AlienSlave
How About Some Objectivity...
Posted by: 4sense on Sep 16, 2006 7:32 AM   
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We need to make judgements on actions: the actions of others, and our own. We easily, often flippantly, judge what is different to be wrong, and anyone with eyes to see knows that it happens in our political/cultural sphere everyday. "Cultural relativism" as an epithet is really just another way of using big words to scare the uncritical.

The fact is, we have to make hard judgements about what people actually do, and it's not necessarily morally wrong.

Bickering Somali wardlords do have to change. Why? Because they reak havoc on their society, perpetuate chaos, murder, cause other forms of suffering on a mass scale. In an essential way, they grab power for their own ends, and use it to satisfy their own desires (for more power). We can objectively say their actions are wrong because we can clearly see the results.

Likewise, we can say that Osama Bin Laden (no doubt someone's "freedom fighter") is a murderer. And whether he is a freedom fighter or not, he is a murderer, by the objective evidence. Think about it. Bin Laden gains power by provoking our responses to his statements and attacks, and he doesn't care about the innocent people he kills and the suffering that might result, which he perpetrates in contradiction to the teachings of Islam, which he professes to be his faith.

Bush only thinks he is fighting for freedom. I think he wants to be fighting for freedom, only he is using a very antiquated idea about how one does that. Objectively: he is destroying what makes America unique (freedoms) in this pursuit; and his policies are making a mess in Iraq, killing thousands of Iraqis and American soldiers, and encouraging more people to give up on the idea that we are interested in pursuing justice. Listen to almost any poll of residents in the Middle East about how they see the U.S., and why they see it that way.

Relativism, shmelativism. We don't need philosophers to tell us any of these things. It's not cultural, or moral or whatever, relativism.

We just need to be critical. It's what makes sense.

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I consider myself a relativist. . .
Posted by: LouisFallert on Sep 16, 2006 7:32 AM   
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and I have very strong opinions. But I recognize that what I think of as being good or bad are relative to my own hodge-podge mixture of Western, Confucian and other values.

"Although there are many different kinds of relativism, they all have two features in common.

1) They all assert that one thing (e.g. moral values, beauty, knowledge, taste, or meaning) is relative to some particular framework or standpoint (e.g. the individual subject, a culture, an era, a language, or a conceptual scheme).
2) They all deny that any standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others."
http://www.iep.utm.edu/r/relativi.htm

For instance, to me the survival of the human species (to which I belong) is a GOOD thing, but the Passenger Pigeon, the Dodo, and whales might disagree.

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Relativism needs a "Floor"
Posted by: drdanj on Sep 16, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Like liberalism and conservatism, cultural absolutism and relativism are locked in a closed struggle. The standards of relativism and absolutism are self-limitiing sets of arguments, focused only on their opposition. Shorthand dialectic: Anything goes vs my way or the highway, blah, blah, blah. I spent much of my career pushing for cultural relativism and working to support cultural diversity. I now see the errors of that approach (but that does not move me toward cultural absolutism, far from it.)

Break open that closed system, consider a third way synthesis: Human rights philosophy and theory can become a universal standard against which to judge any cultural stance. Both aboslutism and relativism become absurd in this framework. If something violates human rights, it is not acceptable and should be struggled against, no matter whose cultural ox is gored. Human rights work is being adopted by people from around the planet, from all walks of life. The rights of the individual outweigh the "rights" of any given culture or point of view. Thus, neither cliterectomies nor capital punishment nor male superiority, etc., are acceptable.

Now, the strongest argument against human rights is that the domain is fraught with internal problems. This is because human rights philosophy is a fairly framework in human thought. Yes, it has rough edges, I can point to many. But it is conceptual frame that can lead us out of tribism if we adopt the basic premises and continue to work to clarify the standards.

Any society that does not balance and promote both equality and freedom (the two cornerstones of this approach) in its policies and procedures is in violation of human rights.

Daniel Jordan, PhD

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» That's good Posted by: fifthworld
GEORGE W. BUSH - Dealer Known as THE TORTURER
Posted by: michaelo on Sep 16, 2006 9:01 AM   
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So George, Dick and Donald, The Drug Warlords of DC, want us to unite and fight the bad guys... the Evil Doers. And on top of that, they want us to “sign off” on the CIA’s continued use of torture by letting the Congress openly legalize it, unlike the hidden agenda they’ve applied in their international torture chambers and use of “rendition.”

Lets take a look at the last time the Good Guys in DC asked us to help fight the Bad Guys --- the then Evil Doers of Asian Communism in Vietnam and South East Asia. And lets look at it from that other favorite agenda of the corporate state: the duplicitous use of drugs as weapons of military and civilian control.

When Catholic, anti-communist President John F. Kennedy, heir to the alcohol-drug smuggling King Joe of Camelot, sent troops to Laos to fight the North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong in the South of Vietnam the US required fighters from Laos and Cambodia and in the North of Vietnam. To manage their secret war the US embedded the Green Berets under the direction of The CIA. This is the same CIA that recruited and supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan during their war against those other Bad Guys, the Soviets; the same CIA of today.

However, Laotians are not fighters, so the CIA turned to the Hmong tribes people. The Hmong are Stone Age. They barter pigs for wives. But their main livelihood - their mainstay crop was opium. You know the base for the making of heroin.

SEE RADIOLEFT.COM for balance of article:

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/ _archives/2006/9/15/2330094.html

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Organized religion has primative roots.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 16, 2006 9:15 AM   
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Smug certainty of your own tribe's superiority has been given a divine imprimatur through organized religion, which has been the basis for an incredible amount of brutality throughout history. To add to the insult, no religion will ever admit that NOBODY KNOWS the nature of spirituality, superior intelligence or "divine guidance." The dirty little secret is that all religions are guessing. Maybe the arrogance and psychological manipulation that are the underpinnings of most organized religions (and not a few cults) are what drive many people to atheism. For some truly compassionate people, it may be better to opt out rather than to join a vicious game. In my experience, whether or not someone is religious has absolutely no correlation with whether or not they are compassionate – or honest. Just look at our president if you don't believe me.

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» from great saint Hafiz Posted by: fifthworld
D Q all up in da I R A Q
Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Sep 16, 2006 10:22 AM   
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The "insanity" of bringing Dairy Queen to Iraq?" What kind of wretched hyperbole is this? What could an Iraqi of whatever sect or tribe want more than a nice frosty cone after an exhausting 120-degree day of killing people and blowing stuff up?

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» Yeh you're right Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: D Q all up in da I R A Q Posted by: symcokid
» Arright then Posted by: fifthworld
Finally a solution
Posted by: mistery509 on Sep 16, 2006 10:37 AM   
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Finally George Bush and his cronies found a solution to the Middle East problem.

Bring Wal Mart to the Middle East and make everyone so happy.

Why didn't they think of it before they invaded Iraq?

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» RE: Finally a solution Posted by: symcokid
great read
Posted by: ladyoracle on Sep 16, 2006 11:35 AM   
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I enjoyed the literary references in this article. Thanks, Alternet, for making it available to us.

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State Sanctioned Murder is Still Murder
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 16, 2006 11:44 AM   
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State sanctioning does not let the individual off the hook, except so it seems in America. GW Bush is a murderer, plain and simple. Just because rape and murder is being done by the CIA, or US soldiers raping and murdering people in Iraq, he is still a murderer. When Israel supplied with US munitions attacked Lebanese civilians, GW Bush was a murderer. No different friends then Osama or a Somali Warlord. Blood on the hands is the same as blood on the hands directly or indirectly. Crimes committed in the name of the USA are exactly the same as crimes individually committed by its leaders. And that is the way the world sees it. Thousands of children died when the US forced sanctions on Iraq before the current war and Saddam never sufferred at all. Who is responsible for the deaths of those children?

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Remembering Cheney
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 16, 2006 11:46 AM   
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That line about "the American way of life is non-negotiable"? That pretty much sums it up. Unfortunately the American way of life requires the death of the world.

I constantly wonder, what do these guys really want, and why? How could absolute power and control matter, if there is nothing left? Wouldn't this addiction hit bottom, once a planet is a pile of ash?

Rumsfeld is quite brilliant: "there are things we know that we don't know". But he couldn't even cite Confucius - you know, the Greek philosopher?

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» RE: emembering Cheney Posted by: edith
What would Bart Simpson Think?
Posted by: bob357 on Sep 16, 2006 11:47 AM   
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It's a very good essay however while the majority of the voting population of the US think like Bart Simpson and vote for the War Party of Cheney and his neocons (Including hanger-on Bush). I think it will be hard to convince the rest of the thinking free world that the US is not bent on a self destructive orgy of violence against all foreigners.

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Ponder this
Posted by: WhatNow? on Sep 16, 2006 12:20 PM   
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Two Axioms of 9/11

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The intellectual fallacy...
Posted by: RJMills on Sep 16, 2006 3:46 PM   
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The intellectual fallacy is thus: ideas matter. Ideas influence behavior.

This is wrong.

People do whatever they want to do and then use theory, concept, and idea to justify or rationalize their actions.

Why did we invade Iraq? Why did we invade Afghanistan?

Because we could.

They had shit we wanted, they wouldn't share, so we took it. Kind of like what a two-year-old does in a similar situation.

That's it. No more complicated than that.

I really like this essay, however, because it illustrates just how inept the intelligensia seems to be at influencing behavior. The left, it appears, can't even come up with a decent ideology.

How about this?: There is no God. Morality is religious dogma. Anybody can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else. What happens between consenting adults is their business.

Thank you Hugh Heffner. Probably the left's most important philosopher/social critic since, well, Jesus.

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» WHAT??? Posted by: fifthworld
Let's be candid
Posted by: veive on Sep 16, 2006 4:22 PM   
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I’ll see your 28 letter puppy, “antidisestablishmentarianism,” and raise you one
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis," a 45 letter bull mastiff. Longest word indeed. How culturally relative is that?

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Cultural Meaninglessness is Relative
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 16, 2006 5:01 PM   
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to what you might expect from your culture. I still hold out for an improvement some day.

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Believe me, Bush is not a Unitarian
Posted by: edith on Sep 17, 2006 4:03 AM   
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The author did not explicitly equate Bush with the Unitarian Universalist Association. However implicitly he did make that comparison. I am not an UUA member and I don't agree with their tendency as at least a quasi-spiriitual religious group to take a stand on what seems is every mundane political issue of the day. But the UUA has integrity and has opposed imperialist and unnecessary wars by the US for many decades. It's reverence for human life is sincere and is not hypocrtical like those who are antiabortion but prowar and promass consumption lifestyle.

Berkeley is not the eptiome of moral purtiy; did anyone at Berkeley ever make that claim? But would that Berkeley often inconsistent and emotionally driven political cooking pot have a bit more rational New England Unitarian thoughtfulness, wisdom and yes caring for real people and not academic stereotypes of people.

Unitarians probably would in general agree with the author on his central point about the US need to impose materialism and corporate capitalism into every nation it occupies or influences. They are not the problem and I don't know what real problem the author has with one of the most decent religious groups in the world.

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US has it's own Coalition Provisional Authority, legislature, courts and executive branch
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 17, 2006 8:30 AM   
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International socialist corporatism is the goal as identified by both the left, (Brzezinsk, Albrighti and the trilateral commission), and the right. (Cheney, Wolfowitz and PNAC). The spread of democracy has been going on this way for over a century now. The Council on Foreign Relations, National Security Act (NSA and CIA), and the Federal Reserve Act (which is neither federal ore has any reserves) was the death of this nation as a representative republic. The foundations that represent the left and right wing gatekeepers keep Americans fat, satisfied and ignorant while US covert and over operations have been spreading the American empire over the world since the inception of the republic. Since the Spanish American war, it has been clear that the US is no longer a republic but an empire of elites that want access to all of the worlds economies, resources and wealth.

Spend some time browsing the US national archives or the national security archives. Unfortunately, as Allen Dulles said after the Kennedy assasination, "Americans don't read".

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As is usual...
Posted by: notrab68 on Sep 17, 2006 11:40 AM   
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...from those of your ilk- You sure used a lot of words just to prove you're an idiot.

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There are no Wal-marts in Iraq YET because
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Sep 17, 2006 11:45 AM   
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there is a Target on every corner!

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That's Starting a Fine Mess, Dolan
Posted by: rondolce on Sep 17, 2006 5:40 PM   
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Man, making people question their essential premises is a hard way to make your point. You described cultural relativism as "a form of intellectual rigor -- a very uncomfortable one, compared to the cozy simplicity of cheering for your tribe and sneering at all others." Not only is that what we're up against with the Rush Limbaugh's of the civilized world, we're up against it with progressives. While Limbaugh gains a great following by appealing to the base prejudices of his listeners (prejudices which are caused by simply being unaware of reality) we have to contend with prejudices that are caused by a sort of First World myopia.
At the same time there are certain absolutes. I don't think that fundamentalist Afghans with tribal loyalties that supercede national ones enjoy being hungry or dying of curable disease any more than 19th Century Progressives in America did. All this just creates a more complex intellectual knot that will be very difficult to sell to complacent Americans these days.

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Unitarianism
Posted by: sunnyday on Sep 18, 2006 7:16 AM   
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Sir, while I most definitely agree with your thoughts on a cultural relativism, I have to say I was horrified with your statements about Unitarians. Though when you seemed to be saying Bush was a Unitarian, I almost laughed aloud. Bush and the rest of his ilk, are completely opposite what Unitarians stand for. As a UU, I must say that you are almost completely ignorant about my religion. None of the things you state about us are true.
Please understand that I am not attacking you, I am just asking that you follow your own ideas and learn about something before attacking it. Thank you.

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