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War on Iraq

Dick Cheney's Last Throes

By Stephen Elliott, Huffington Post. Posted June 22, 2006.


What, exactly, do Republicans mean by 'victory' in Iraq, and how will we know when we have won?
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"I guess if I look back on it now, I don't think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we've encountered." - Vice President Dick Cheney, Monday, June 19, 2006

There are men dragged across the streets of Fallujah, their charred bodies hanging from a bridge. A video captured on a cell phone shows a man's foot pressing against a woman's belly, a geyser of blood erupting from her throat. The Sadr militia pins the troops from their rooftop perch and this is the beginning of the insurgency and the day Casey Sheehan dies.

Mission Accomplished flutters on the ship's deck and the President poses for photo opportunities in his flight suit like a young child. Later, he says the banner wasn't his idea. How was he to know? The atrocities at Abu Ghraib were an isolated incident in no way indicative of a trickle down from the top. He would love to close Guatanamo, he's just waiting for te right time. Also, everyone thought there were weapons of mass destruction, there is no one to blame.

Yesterday, Senator Frist said, "We are making progress. We can't just cut and run. Surrender is not the answer." We are making progress. Progress toward what? And if we surrendered, what would happen then, and who would we surrender to? If you're not fighting for anything in particular, is it still surrender when you put down your guns and go?

Yesterday a translator was kidnapped and the bodies of two soldiers were recovered. They had been tortured horribly. We have to honor their memory. We have to find those weapons of mass destruction. We have to win this war, stay the course.

The Uncle is not happy with America's policy, the right prepares their attack. Nick Berg's head is cut off and his father asks for peace. Cindy Sheehan loses her son and is attacked by the friends of the administration as she holds vigil outside the President's ranch.

The insurgency has been in its last throes for a while now. We're winning, according to the VP, but maybe we underestimated how Saddam's strong-arm tactics would continue to affect the Iraqis' willingness to embrace democratic reforms, he says. Blame it on the people, the culture, the history. Anything but the planning, the soldiers, the planes, the bombs. Anything but willful lies, intelligence manipulation, otherwise intentions.

A writer is shot in the head at a road block. 2,500 American soldiers are killed. 30,000 Iraqis, perhaps many more. Still, the insurgency is growing. If insurgency is the right term. No one is safe in this country. Saddam is replaced with an Islamic theocracy at best; chaos, civil war at worst. Hundreds of billions of dollars gone to destroy a country. Zarqawi is killed and Bush receives a bounce.

The story in the media: Democrats are losing because they can't agree on what to do in Iraq. It's like the older siblings who are punished because they can't agree on how to clean up the younger siblings' mess. The child has puked all over the kitchen and destroyed the vases and wrapped his fat fingers around the cat's skinny neck and now the parents are home and the older children are punished and the younger child is rewarded. Why? Because the young child is consistently wrong and has no intention of fixing anything. The Democrats are in trouble because they can't agree on how to fix the mess the Republicans have made. The Republicans are rewarded for staying the course.

I am still waiting for a convincing argument to stay in Iraq. I would still like to know why we are there in the first place. Instead of criticizing the Democrats for not agreeing on how quickly to leave I would like to focus on what Republicans mean by victory. How will we know when we have won? Will it be when things are as good as they were under Saddam Hussein? Or when it's possible for a foreign journalist to report from inside the country? When women can walk safely without covering their heads? Instead of consensus among Democrats on when we should leave I would like to see a consensus among Republicans on what it means to win in Iraq, and how we will know when we have lost. By what measure we can safely say there is nothing left to do but go home.

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Stephen Elliott is the author of Looking Forward To It or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The American Electoral Process.

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"Like a young child"
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jun 22, 2006 3:27 AM   
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Yes, Bush exhibits all the affect of an uninitiated young boy. He is what is called a "Monster Boy" in psychology. He has never been initiated into manhood. He runs riot like a gangster and his adult peers in his administration join him in the chaos he creates. This is so sick. Did you see his body posture at the European Union meeting this week? A young boy who is yearning for acceptance, resistant to criticism, cocky, arrogant, and very troubled inside of himself. He is a danger to our society because his "warrior" goes unleashed.

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Get Out Now
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 22, 2006 3:34 AM   
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Here's what we have to do: Admit that the whole thing was a dreadful mistake and get the hell out of there as quickly and as orderly as possible (if order is even an option anymore).

Whatever happens, the democrats will be accused by the republicans of "losing" Iraq. This obscenity that is being inflicted on that devistated country will drag on into the next -more than likely democratic - administration. What the next president HAS to realize is this (Are you listening, Russ?): This war is unwinnable. Don't keep American kids there for one minute longer. Don't make the mistake Lyndon Johnson made an generation ago (Just what IS it about Texas?) by getting more soldiers killed in order to justify the deaths of the ones who have already died. You're not responsible for this was, Russ! It was forced apon a hideously dumbed-down electorate by a president who came to office by stealing two elections.

In other words, Russ, don't let this become "Mr. Feingold's war", ya dig?

I realized the other night that I probably won't get a decent night's sleep until Bush, Cheney and most (if not all) of that miserable cabinet are rotting in federal prison. I want these motherfuckers punished, severely, BIG TIME.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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The Rabbit Hole
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Jun 22, 2006 4:09 AM   
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This country is now too far down the Rabbit Hole to emerge in any other way but losers. There is absolutely no effective leadership in any party to change the course of the war. It is now in the hands of those who live there and we have yet to understand their culture or listen to their own adivce. Much has been written in the last three years of what exactly we are doing there but no clear picture has emerged. That is because we acted impulsively, irrationally and without restraint. This country erupted with, what seemed to me, a morbid sense of being victimized and an even more intense need for revenge and retribution. There was absolutely no introspection, attempt at perspective or open public debate. Something in this country was ready to unleash our "Shock and Awe" for all the world to see. The war, in my view, was just a symptom of what this country has become, a bully who is afraid of its own shadow. We were just waiting for someone to knock the chip off our shoulder and we responded as if they had thrust a dagger into our heart. And this was all done by a couple of sociopathic, impotent and arrogant misfits. "There is something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear." We should all try to find out what it is, although the strength, courage and resilance to do so seems to have left us.

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No need to be frustrated.
Posted by: meshPal on Jun 22, 2006 4:12 AM   
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There is no need to be frustrated by saying “I am still waiting for a convincing argument to stay in Iraq. I would still like to know why we are there in the first place.”

It has been clear for some time that the publicly stated reasons are substantially different from the real geopolitical reasons.

Dubya does a fine job of making things black and white in a grey world. It is just great for most people with half an ear to the news: too busy working, buying, etc. But it is not so great for people with basic reasoning skills, a memory, and a few basic bits of history knowledge.

There is no way that this regime could publicly state the real reasons for the Iraq adventure, you would need a democracy for that. That is why it is so frustrating to listen to the MSM: it just does not make any sense and it can not - so just forget it.

The US has some very real problems. And one complicating factor is that the US invests too much in military: so the preference is that every problem is solved with a bomb.

With my very limited contact to US government officials, on every occasion I have been deeply impressed with their competency: not at all what I expected. The US government may act stupid, but as far as I know they are not stupid – not by a long shot.

Most likely the US needs to project power into the Middle East for empire, saving the dollar, helping friends, and demonstrating to other nations what can happen if they do not comply with US demands. It is a dirty business; unfortunately few people are really doing anything about stopping it.

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impeach and quit the arms race
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 22, 2006 5:10 AM   
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The solution if Americans have the guts amd decency to do the right thing is to impeach those who have neither guts nor decency and then declare that the invasion/occupation is a grisly error and then withdraw all American troops and then declare that the arms race is over and then work with the UN toward total disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction with disarmament beginning with the USA and continuing in all countries with these stupid grisly weapons until we have a decent and peaceful world run by decent and peaceful people.

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FINALLY...
Posted by: Suburban Dad on Jun 22, 2006 5:59 AM   
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...someone has asked the right question.

WHAT IS VICTORY IN IRAQ

The chickenhawks are always spewing the "we can't leave until we achieve victory" line, but I have yet to hear what "victory" is. What is the goal? Whatever happened to "The War on Terror"?

We need to nail down the discrepancy - are the Iraqis the enemy or the ones we're defending? Note that the ones defending the war are the ones talking about "bombing that nation back to the stone-age". These are the defenders of Iraqi Freedom?

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Iraq is history
Posted by: solrev on Jun 22, 2006 6:22 AM   
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I am betting that Busy will declare victory and make a troop reduction in August. It may be as many as 30,000. “See I told you cut and runners we could win” sure has a nice election ring. Once Bush starts down this path, the Iraq government will realize that their best chance to avoid assassination is throw us out altogether. Iraq occupation will be over by this time next year.

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SORRY!!!........"Not anticipate the level of violence"
Posted by: Captainmagic on Jun 22, 2006 7:01 AM   
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Say WHAT!!!...did you let him get away with that outragous statement....completely mind numbing incompetence, at the very least...but I suspect a bit of spin yes!!...did you swollow big.

Captain

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Too easy on the Democrats.
Posted by: Mutternich on Jun 22, 2006 7:29 AM   
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Point me back if I missed it, but I didn't see a mention of the Dems who aren't even fighting about how to clean up the mess but are joining right in. You know who.

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what is victory in Iraq?
Posted by: weiwuwei on Jun 22, 2006 7:45 AM   
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for them i guess it would be complete control of the entire country, it's govt, resources and people. but they've obviously made a very big mistake, the iraqis will never allow themselves to be enslaved. the occupation may last a while but eventually the US will be thrown out. cheney should have said "the american empire is in its' last throes" and he would be making sense. empires are cancers, they consume their host and then they die, and this one is no different.

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Leaving? The biggest embassy in the world?
Posted by: freerain on Jun 22, 2006 7:54 AM   
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Folks, we are NOT leaving Iraq. The U.S. is building the biggest embassy in the world there. We, yes, our president and congress went there for Oil and to impose corporate hegemony. We elected, or let the criminals manipulate the election, George for MORE four years.

The WORLD needs to respond. Nationalize U. S. Corporations in foreign countries, refuse U. S. imports, and impose excessive export taxes on U.S. exports from their countries. Sanctions imposed on U. S. to reign in our monstrous ambition of world empire and military action in ALL those countries who don't want to do things "The American Way."

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Its not s WAR anymore its an OCCUPATION
Posted by: Drclaw on Jun 22, 2006 8:34 AM   
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this came up (Hartmann perhaps) recently, and I suggest we all stop using misleading terms that affect our perceptions (unconciously or not) regarding the situation. We are now presiding over a country in the midst of a civil conflict, where most of the deaths come from intercine strife, which is aided and abetted by our actions. We are not in a war-the Iraqi's are at war with themselves, and we are occupying their country. Hence, there is no victory for us in a classic military sense, which is why nobody has succeded in defining a criterion. The only issue is whether our presence is a stabilizing force (it doesn't appear to be). The idea that our occupation protects us is absolute crap. Who feels safer today when all we have done is create a breeding ground for violence, hate and intolerance?? Unless we are prepared to dictate to the Iraqis how to run their country, then we have no buisness being there as an occupier without there consent-which we clearly do not have (of course, I believe that many do want to dicate the form of the iraqi govt. which exposes the true agenda-oil-not building democracy). I am also reminded that the history of the use of the term war comes from "the war on terra (sic)" which is already an obfuscation. One cannot make war on an idea, which means that all the methods we have used are going to have a minimal effect. Fight ideas with other ideas, not with bombs. So, not only are we using an outdated analogy, we are continuing to use it when it was insufficient and misleading in the first place.

One of the best things we can do is to change the frame. No reasonable debate will be possible otherwise.

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Yer stuck in the past Dick
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 22, 2006 8:51 AM   
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"I guess if I look back on it now, I don't think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we've encountered." - Vice President Dick Cheney, Monday, June 19, 2006

er, no Dick... its not that you didn't anticipate, it's that you didn't give a shit what would happen as long as you got your Haliberton oil contracts (mmm billions of dollars!). You never even asked one, not one, Middle East expert about Iraq. You just thought it was the same as Afganistan. Dummy.

Rememeber all those CIA experts Dick fired? You know, all those experts on Iraq who were telling Dick "this is stupid"?

Dick didn't listen, he just went ahead with his Cold War, America will secure it's oil block.

But the world had changed Dick. The world had changed. You didn't. And neither has America.

And Iran is laughing it's arse off at ya! :D

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Democracy Campaign
Posted by: bucky10 on Jun 22, 2006 9:05 AM   
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As an election strategy, how about having the Democrats push for Democracy at home?

If the Republicans are so enthralled with Democracy in Iraq, they should have no problem supporting Democracy at home right?

Make the GOP put up or shut up. Make them vote for or against a string of "democracy bills" such as campaign finance reform, open access to information (net neutrality), legitimate elections, longer voting hours (so working people will have more than three hours to vote), etc...

Democrats need to be for something. They should promote legitimate governments, fair markets, and healthy environments. Show how these three things are supported around the world and how we should lead by example as one of many strategies in the war on terror.

The GOP won't be able to respond very well since they generally want rigged elections, markets free of democracy, and environments open to their waste and abuse.

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War Crimes
Posted by: NonnyO on Jun 22, 2006 11:27 AM   
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The initial invasion and the current OCCUPATION of Iraq were actions that are WAR CRIMES by Nuremberg and Geneva Convention rules (among other conventions and treaties broken by the Chickenhawk-in-Chief), and the attack he ordered was illegal under the US Constitution anyway (only Congress can declare war, even if they gave up their power to DumDum in 2001 and let him bully them into supporting his stupid war based on LIES).

As I see it, there isn't any way to "win" a war that was based on LIES, and is a WAR CRIME to begin with....! (And did I mention that having the concentration camp at Gitmo on a US military base is also a WAR CRIME, just as illegally sanctioning torture anywhere by a "leader" of this nation is a WAR CRIME?!?)

Solution: (1) Put the guard and reserve troops on the next military transport planes out of Iraq and Afghanistan (they don't want us there, and their low-tech guerilla warfare is working better than any high-tech military weapons anyway); it took mere hours to fly our guard and reserve troops over there, it would take mere hours to fly them home. (2) Redeploy the regular troops elsewhere to other US military bases. That shouldn't take more than a couple of months to accomplish, tops. (3) IMPEACH the bam dastards in *our* White House!!! (4) Send the whole Bu$h administration to The Hague to be tried for WAR CRIMES, starting with Bu$h, Cheney, Rummy, and Condisleazy. (I, for one, am sick and tired of their threats to every other country in the world - their threatening and bullying words are going to start another war, and because of them, other nations might decide to pre-emptively attack the US, imitating Bu$hCo's illegal WAR CRIME; they need to shut the hell up for a change and stop telling other people 'do as I say, not as I do.' They may endorse PNAC principles to rule the world, but the rest of the world will stop them if we can't keep our own in line and acting legally, morally, and responsibly.)

Our members of Congress (both Dems and Repubs) should be ashamed of themselves for financing DumDum's wars on "emergency spending legislation" and for enacting legislation that takes away our rights and privileges as citizens, not to mention fleecing our money via corporate-written laws regarding prescription meds and Medicare (among other unwise legislation). Seriously, all Congress would need to do is refuse to fund DumDum's wars, refuse to pass "emergency spending legislation." Congressional members have been cowed by empty rhetoric that calls those who want to end DumDum's war unpatriotic. They need to throw the adminsitration's WAR CRIMES in their faces and stop being cowed by the schoolyard bullies. We remember 9/11; we're over the grief and the criminals died with the victims so there's no one to prosecute; time to move on and stop talking about it like we're in a state of morbid grief. If Congressional members are taking PAC bribes to enact such idiotic legislation, they need to stop (we can make sure they are not elected this fall and in '08, too, if they don't apologize for their participation in Bu$hCo WAR CRIMES by financing his stupid war and getting so many people killed - our own as well as the people in nations invaded and now OCCUPIED).

There is no way to "win" anything when WAR CRIMES have been committed. Now, can we talk about IMPEACHMENT?!?

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Thanks -
Posted by: Aim on Jun 22, 2006 1:11 PM   
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This is exactly the question I've been asking. There appears to be no answer.

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Not very convincing
Posted by: hooskerdo on Jun 22, 2006 2:31 PM   
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Driving into San Francisco from Sacramento numerous single drivers in their gas guzzling four-wheel-drive heavy-duty pickup trucks passed me swerving in and out of traffic, going 90 miles an hour shaking their fists at the drivers they passed on the right because they were only driving 10 miles an hour over the speed limit. I wondered what those drivers are going to do when they can’t put gas in those trucks at any price.

I suspect that our government knows that we have passed global peak oil. The coming decline in oil at any price is going to cause our civilization to collapse since there are no viable alternatives yet. To some people, delaying the collapse of our civilization is a convincing reason to park our army next door to the oil spigots in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

The court jester prattles that we should raid the treasury to look for a new source but the king will not be fooled. He will not leave the dying well until the last drop is drawn or the last knight has perished.

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sea4to
Posted by: sea4to on Jun 22, 2006 9:34 PM   
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We have allowed Frank Lutz and the rightwing "New Speak"
propagandists to form the verbage of this so-called war.It's
time to take the momentum and tell it like it is.

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How will we know when we have won?
Posted by: indy675 on Jun 23, 2006 3:55 AM   
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The treasury will be empty, the elderly will be living and dying on the streets, unemployed young people (18-30) will be roaming the streets, not in gangs, but whole batallions, the Bush and Cheney families will be living in Idi Amin's old Villa in Saudi Arabia, the middle class will have moved to Canada or Europe or anywhere, where their is still medical care, corporate headquarters of multinationals and the gated communities, where the corporate officers live, will be protected by the National Guard.

Just exactly what we will have won is not clear.

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How will we know
Posted by: bookwoman on Jun 23, 2006 6:05 AM   
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The lead question in this article reminds me of the old joke - how do you know when herring has gone bad? Does it start to smell good!!!!

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Well Said
Posted by: packofwolves on Jun 23, 2006 6:30 AM   
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Thank you for this well written article that is right on tarket. How will we know? When one finally accepts the fact that this war was nothing more than a political maneuver, then one must look toward politics to determine when enough is enough. I suppose we should ask the Bushies, how much power is enough? Bush said he liked dictatorships as long as he was the dictator, is that when enough is enough, or when the US controls all the oil? I wonder if the Bushies would think the price for power was worth it if it had been their children so horribly tortured? IMPEACH BUSH AND ALL HIS CRONIES.

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Texas has problems enough
Posted by: dkm on Jun 23, 2006 9:16 PM   
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For a list of the problems that are afflicting Texas, see any collection of Molly Ivins' columns. We have more than our share of jerks, dopes, and crooks. Delay is homegrown, Armey is homegrown, Craddock is homegrown, Gov. "Goodhair" is homegrown, but don't blame us for Bush. He may have been born in CN, but he was raised a Maniac. And he got degrees from Yale and Harvard.

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Iraq will be done when
Posted by: xbj on Jun 24, 2006 2:59 AM   
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Iraq will be done when:

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld move the war over to Iran to continue the rape and looting of American taxpayers.

OR

once Dick Cheny and Donald Rumsfeld's estates are worth a trillion apiece for their blood-bathing spawn.

OR

once China and Russia finally say "enough is enough" after the US nukes Iran and throws every nuclear weapon (as well as non-conventional secret weapon) in their arsenals at the US, rendering it a glowing black cinder for a very long time.

THAT'S when Iraq will be done, and the finally REALLY liberated people of Iraq will cheer as the US troops turn tail and run for Israel just as fast as they can, their home country gone, falling in their boots as they scramble and are torn limb from limb.

That's when Iraq will be over and done, and not a moment before.

But believe it, it's COMING. Instant Karma's gonna get you. Gonna knock you right on your ass.

Starting with Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush41, and ending with The Decider and the rest of Nazi Amerika.

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Still Listening.
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Jun 24, 2006 3:11 PM   
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The fact that most Americans are still listening to this dangerous sociopath and his (k)lan, is shocking to some, but obviously we're in the minority. Again, Dumb Fucks, Americans!!!

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

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Cut and Run and live.
Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on Jun 24, 2006 4:46 PM   
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I heard yesterday that the expression "cut and run" is a nautical term, (thank you, Johnny Wendell, AirAmerica.)
It means that when your boat is anchored and your boat is in danger of becoming capsized, YOU CUT THE ROPE so that you can free yourself, AND LIVE. There is no shame in that.
OUR BOAT IS IN DANGER OF CAPSIZING. CUTTING AND RUNNING IS A GOOD THING, REPUBS.

Besides, cutting and running completely, even a non military savvy person knows, is impossible after the mess they have made. REPUBS YOU NEED TO CLEAN UP YOUR OWN FREAKIN' MESS and DON'T START ANYMORE. HEAR ME?!?!?!

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get real....save yourself
Posted by: peridot on Jun 28, 2006 12:09 AM   
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Whose going to cut and run? The professional military isn't. It is in persons and in fact indisguishable from the corporate war industry. It is their bread and butter. Who's going to impeach? The multi-millionaire pimps who are the congress of this country who are entirely at the service of corporate Johns. I don't think so. The non-corporate citizen of America has no more chance of influence on the mobsters who run the American government than a drop of water has to turn back the tide. The effective news media is all, ALL, propaganda, elections are rigged. Does anyone think for a moment that any person who becomes a threat to the existing order can survive? Unless you have been unconscious the past thirty years or so you have witnessed the surgical and legal disembowelment of the democratic ideal which had been the soul of the American Republic. The democracy is dead and most Americans couldn't care less.

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