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War on Iraq

Iraq's War Porn

By David Swanson, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 15, 2006.


We believe the war would end if the media showed more images of the human horrors in Iraq, yet we turn away when they're placed in front of us. Not anymore.
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Mourners grieve at the funeral of one of six Shi'ite men found slain, bound and with bullet holes in their heads, in Baghdad April 23, 2006. REUTERS/Kareem Raheen
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An artist should keep a human skull on the desk as a constant reminder of death, of the need to -- in the words of a currently popular country tune -- live like you were dying. A peace activist should keep a photo in his or her wallet of a small Iraqi child torn to pieces -- a constant reminder to live like others are dying.

The trouble is that we find it almost unbearable to look at such images. We believe the war would end if the corporate media showed such images, yet we turn our faces away if they're placed in front of us; even more so, if they happen to be images of torture or of soldiers enjoying humiliating Iraqis. Worst of all are the gruesome images that soldiers have created themselves in this new digital age as war trophies.

If such images were in our wallets, we wouldn't want them to give anyone the impression that we took some sort of sick pleasure in seeing Iraqis blown apart. Yet some of those images have come to us over the Internet from U.S. soldiers who evidently found exactly that pleasure in taking and posting them. As hard as we find it to look at the images, we find it a hundred times harder to try to think our way inside the minds that could do such a thing. We're afraid that, once there, we couldn't freely leave.

We know, of course, that the parents of a murdered child will never be free of the horror, that the soldiers who did it will never forget, and that the people those soldiers live with when they come back home will not be unaffected. To properly address claims that some wars are good wars and that the worst deeds of war are performed by "bad apples," we have to have a clear picture of what war is, including the worst of it. If we leave out an understanding of the worst of war, all of our thinking must be distorted.

Therefore, look at this picture.

Did you look? Those are children who, as likely as not, were running and playing in the months before our government launched a war on the basis of lies. I don't know how those particular children died, but most of the deaths in this war, like all modern wars, are civilian ones, many the result of bombing. This is what "collateral damage" looks like.

Now look at this image.

These are mild images. I'm going very easy on you. This child is alive, but wounded --quite probably wounded psychologically as well. Does the woman holding this child look grateful and liberated? Does she look like she will have an easy time forgiving the people who did this? Why do I write "the people who did this"? Why can't I be honest and write "us"? The United States government launched this war, making us responsible for everything that happens in it.

This image is far more powerful than Edvard Munch's "The Scream."

I don't know what happened, but I know that this is a picture of unbearable rage. I've looked at many images like this one in which, even if I have no way of learning the details, war is presented far more powerfully than could be done in words.

Here's someone with enough years ahead of him to forget and forgive.

But think how hard it will be for him to do so. Then think how easily we will forgive ourselves for not having done more to prevent this war or end it sooner. Who will have the easier time, and should it be that way?

There are stories in our media now about U.S. troops killing civilians -- men, women, and children in cold blood. Sometimes these killings are described as motivated by revenge for Iraqi hostility and ingratitude. But who told our soldiers that the Iraqis would be grateful for being invaded, shock-and-awed, and occupied? Who spread that lie? Not the Iraqis.

And who told our soldiers that it was acceptable to kill the "hadji" (the term they appropriated in a racist way for Iraqis)? Who taught our young men and women to place bags over Iraqi heads?

These people have faces. The bags take away the stories those faces might tell.

To defend the United States, our soldiers have been sent by the Bush administration to "handle" people who never threatened us and who live in a nation that never threatened us by:

pinning them to the ground;

holding guns to their heads;

parading them naked;

leaving them handcuffed in the dirt, creating scenes that concentration camp guards from Nazi Germany would have flinched at far less than the rest of us;

surely the "hadjis" are not human if we can treat them this way, if their limbs can be found lying about in the street like fruit off a tree;


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David Swanson, the Washington Director of Democrats.com and of ImpeachPAC.org, is co-founder of the AfterDowningStreet.org coalition, creator of MeetWithCindy.org, and a board member of Progressive Democrats of America. A former newspaper reporter, he was the press secretary for Dennis Kucinich's 2004 presidential campaign. His website is davidswanson.org.

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Posted by: cordas on Jun 15, 2006 12:36 AM   
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I was just about to have breakfast, I don't think I will now.

These pictures are truly horrific, thats not to say they shouldn't be shown but that they should. Its only pictures like this that will shock people out of their complacancy that this war is justified and being fought on their behalf. You only have to see the shock and horror on the faces of the survivers to know where the next terrorist / suicide bomber is coming from.

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Media
Posted by: Slmncty on Jun 15, 2006 12:40 AM   
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Without unbiased,complete,accurate investigative reporting you will get spun,vrn's half truth articles that support false reality.

Make sure those responsible stay aware of what they have done
Posted by: andyc on Jun 15, 2006 2:14 AM   
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David - have you sent this article and its links to the White House, 10 Downing Street and The Lodge (Australia)?

The current occupants probably ought to receive updated editions weekly until they show some semblance of a human response.

Brutal images don't tell true story
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 15, 2006 3:10 AM   
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I have seen a lot of death in my 30 plus years. I have been to over 50 developing countries and see the worst poverty on this planet. I have to say this: context is everything.

When we see an Iraqi woman lifting her shirt in a US prison, we are rightly shocked at her loss of dignity. But should we be? It is standard procedure in all prisons and with all customs inspections to do far worse. Full body cavity searches of men and women are the norm when searching for drugs. If you saw photos of this, you would feel for the person's dignity, but would you really accept the free flow of drugs?

What happened at Abu Ghraib doesn't even come close to what goes on everyday at the hands of muslim terrorist groups. How would you feel if you saw the images of the people killed and maimed on London's tube trains? How would you feel when you see a press conference labouring over the raid on two muslim brothers (one of who was shot in the shoulder), and their personal and real shame and humiliation, yet see that it gets more airtime than the 7/7 attack?

How about the charred remains of the people from 9/11? You are being played by people with an agenda: an agenda to shame our government and claim that it does worse things than its enemies, which is not true.

Most progressives agree with the need to fight WWII. But would you be happy if you saw the consequences on human beings of the bombing of Dresden, or the nuclear attacks on Japan? How do you weigh that against the Holocaust?

War is brutal, ugly, disgusting. To compare it to pornography, which in the main is nothing more than people doing what people do, is offensive. There is no way around the ugly aspects of war. It is why you engage with politics and make sure your government takes that decision seriously. It is why we honour and protect soldiers because we ask them to do the worst things on our behalf.

Having served as soldier, I have grown very weary of progressives who have no clue how freedom is protected, who are selective in who they criticise and demonise.

In my life, the most honourable people I have ever met have not been those working in NGOs, but soldiers. There is a level of human existence, of concepts of loyalty, that don't dissapear in the wind at the next budget round or fundraising drive. It means bonding with people who don't share your class, univeristy degree or knowing sartorial winks.

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» Dear Sanctimonious Savior/Soldier Posted by: getoutofiraqnow
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» Not worse? How do you prove that? Posted by: chief of okeefe
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A picture say's a thousand words....
Posted by: Captainmagic on Jun 15, 2006 3:10 AM   
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Well David the horse has already bolted. ...we know only too well what happens when the land of the gun comes to town. We know also that the land of the gun does not care what anyone else thinks and that to own lots of guns and the bigger the better is the WAY to GO....hoohar!!!.....where do you stop...is it just ok to waltz in and blast away.....the only thing to see is that the presence of the UFS of A in Iraq, is vulgar and reprehensible to any civilized race of peoples on this planet. It is abhorent and a travesty of humanity and it has been once again sponsored by the U.S. elite....at the expense of the general population.
A message to the general population of the USA...It may not have been your fault for this travesty, but it is if you let it continue...We the rest of the world are pionting our fingers at you.....aren't you supposed to know better...arh.. but we have seen this before have'nt we...it's what you like to do best......and we say, once again... yeah.. good on yah!!! NOT.

war is hell
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 15, 2006 3:41 AM   
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War is hell and the Bushies who created hell in Iraq are war mongers and hell mongers and mass murderers and mass injury makers and worst of all is that they do this for profit and greed. If we do not impeach them then the world will forever think of the USA as a sick, disgusting nation. The members of house/senate need to put aside their petty politics and petty greed and IMPEACH to save America NOW!

» RE: war is hell...sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
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USA: From Band of Brothers to Bands of Rapist, Sadists & Murderers
Posted by: kooz on Jun 15, 2006 3:59 AM   
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I just finished reading "Band of Brothers" by Stephen Ambrose and the men of Easy Company 101st Battalion. It was a story that made me glad to confirm what I always believed about our soldiers of that era. Most of them were ordinar Americans, just like we.
While reading it I constantly recalled a scene from the recent Documnetary called "Occupation: Dreamland in which a strapping young Marine, who could be your neighbor, claims, "I just love smkong them, I really do." He almost said the word killing but he tempered his murdurous declaration with the word "smoking."
When you compare the conceptualized and confirmed attitudes of the civilian soldiers who fought WWII with the attitudes of professional soldiers killing in Iraq you can draw the obvious conclusion that the WWII soldiers are the men who really gave the world the correct idea that Americans were unique, caring and compassionate in that we did not committ mass murder, mass rape, and mass senseless destruction. (I mean on and individual or small unit basis by soldiers and nnot the types of things like the fire bombing of Japanese civilians ordered by people like MaCnamara, I mean the boots on the ground men.) WWII soldiers did not carry the mindset of todays American soldiers(and 25,000 U.S. government paid mercenaries) who seem to have a total and complete disregard for civilian Iraqis. In 2006 American soldiers are more like the Russians and even Germans during WWII. They rape, torture, kill with glee and exuberance, and seem to have no conscience, no sympathy, no care at all for human life which is their prey and which are usually innocent civilians, helpless women, old men and children.
We Amercans, we Band of Murderers, we have become the personification of evil in the world. We are all shamed by the Nazi-like leaders of the Bush Administration, the so-called Christians and Neocons, and the soldiers who would goose-step, if told to, on their maruding rpaing murdering rampage through the ancient land of Mesopotamia. Shame on all of us, every one of us.

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Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jun 15, 2006 4:02 AM   
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All three of them should be brought up before a Tribunal for torture and terrorism. Shame on this country who continues to back them and salute them as leaders of our country. Oust all the Republicans and Democrats who continue to support them. Our country's internal and external policies are immoral, unethical, and self-destructive.

» RE: Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.... Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Hijacking Catastrophe
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 15, 2006 4:16 AM   
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George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Condi Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, Colin Powell and the entire tidal wave of human shit that comprises the most dispicable administration in American history have created a geo-political catastrophe that will take centuries - not decades, mind you - centuries to remedy. If we have an ounce of justice left in us, we will demand that every one of them who were behind this obscenity of a war be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

Do yourselves a favor: Purchase the DVD, "Hijacking Catastrophe". The film is distributed by the Media Education Foundation and is narrated by the great Julian Bond. It is a 64 minute indictment of the Bush Mob and how they helped turn another generation of children into killing machines for the Military Industrial Complex. It also examines, in detail, the lies that led to the invasion. Buy it and arrange a showing at your local public library. If they won't allow you to have a viewing there, show it to as many people as possible in the privacy of your very own home! There is also included in the package a condenced, thirty minute version of the film to show to fans of "Fox and Friends" who normally have very low attention spans. If, after seeing it, any one of them still support the president, give them up for dead. There's no hope for them. Most people, however, will be moved - and outraged. This is Grass Roots Politics at its very best! We can change the political face of this country even if it means one soul at a time.

Tell everyone to vote in November! Tell them all that our country is on the brink of socio-economic destruction (Am I sounding overly dramatic and alarmist? Good!) I'll be brutally frank: If the republicans are allowed to retain controll of both houses of congress after the mid-term elections, this country is finished..

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

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killing
Posted by: Arvy on Jun 15, 2006 4:23 AM   
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I saw a documentary in the UK a year or so ago in which an American military expert / commander / historian spoke about how in war most soldiers don't actually aim at the enemy and try to kill them. They just shoot. Rifles from Napoleonic wars have been found loaded with up to 20 rounds, meaning that whoever owned it was pretending to shoot, loading, pretending to shoot etc. Studies done subsequently found that the percentage of soldiers who actually aimed to kill, and had no problem with killing was the same as the percentage of psychotics in normal society. About 3%.
The American expert then PROUDLY spoke about how by the time of the first gulf war they had managed to raise this percentage to 90%!!
Congratulations…! The people of Iraq are reaping the benefits.

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Still Safer than at Michael Jackson's
Posted by: butthead on Jun 15, 2006 4:58 AM   
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I particularly enjoyed the photo-op with the sign that reads 'Still Safer than at Michael Jackson's!'. That was funny.

» You really ARE a "butthead", aren't you?! Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
Living in Anxiety
Posted by: hisnibs on Jun 15, 2006 5:34 AM   
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I was on active duty in the Marine Corps from 1962 to 1966. I was not sent to Vietnam, but I was placed in “harm’s way” elsewhere in different situations. Training and daily life in the Corps included being in a constant state of agitation and anxiety. It was firmly believed by us grunts that the unwritten rule of the Marine Corps was to deliberately keep the troops in exactly that state. To allow us to relax, mentally or physically, was to lessen our combat effectiveness. And so we looked for ways to release the pressure wherever they presented themselves. In foreign ports we were anything but diplomats for the our country. We were drunk, loud, and horny and didn’t care who knew it. On those occasions when we did look at an “enemy” down the sights of our M-14s (such as in Cuba), we were literally eager to pick a fight. We threw things at the Cuban soldiers, such as rocks, verbal taunts, and metal spikes that were used to build guard towers we manned. They threw them back. We were young, thoughtless, and stretched taught as piano wires. And why not? A banner stretched across our squad bay in boot camp proudly proclaimed, “You Have a License to Kill.” There were no illusions about our purpose and we lived slightly on the wrong side of crazy.

As I said, I was not sent to Vietnam and never saw that kind of combat. Most of us did not. We simply went where our rich uncle sent us and asked no questions. But we were primed, nonetheless. We had detonators in our brains just waiting to be set off. We were geared for atrocity. And so when I read articles such as the above, or others about Haditha, part of me, sitting here now at the age of sixty-two, a greying man with grandchildren, knows that I, too, had the potential to do terrible things. In fact, all the high-sounding talk about honor and right-behaviour aside, it was expected of us.

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WON'T SEE THIS ON FAUX CABLE NEWS!
Posted by: kc10ken on Jun 15, 2006 5:50 AM   
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As a combat Veteran, having served 13 years including 3 tours in the middle east, who is opposed to the war in Iraq I've always said that if Americans could only see the carnage of Bush's quagmire in Iraq it would end immediately.

This carnage is being committed in YOUR name as an American and will remain a stain on YOUR record for eternity.
Are YOU going let Bush continue this madness or will you step up to the plate, grow a pair of balls and DEMAND an end to this BULLSHIT?

I now do volunteer work for the Veterans Administration and I can tell you that the tide of military opinion has most decidedly turned AGAINST this administration and it's quagmire in Iraq.

18,500 PERMANENTLY maimed/disabled US Soldiers so far. Most just 19 year old kids now with no arms, no legs, horribly burned and disfigured and condemned to wheelchairs and beds for the rest of their lives.

2500 dead American soldiers.

100,000 dead innocent Iraqis.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

GET ANGRY! Go to your elected representatives offices and grab them by the neck and tell them to end this madness NOW!

Peace

» Yes You Will Posted by: feller
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University is spelled...
Posted by: kenadrian on Jun 15, 2006 6:05 AM   
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u-n-i-v-e-r-s-i-t-y.

As for your comments, it's clear that you haven't attended one and that your consider YOUR view of the world to be the defacto correct view. Universities are actually all about breaking people of that kind of arrogance, encouraging them to open up their hearts and minds to the perspectives of others. By the way, I've considered your perspective and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's nonsense.

Your perspective is not some "reality" that describes the world perfectly and, therefore, represents an argument. That's another thing people learn in universities.

Your antipathy for educated people who don't agree with your perspective reveals more about your own personal feelings of insecurity and inadequacy then it might serve to make some "blue collar hero" (or should I say "green collar hero") statement about the nature of war, violence, politics or anything else.

Finally, actually studying (whether at university or not) the history of humankind's violence against itself is what ultimately leads educated people to reject violence and over-simplified political statements that amount to such nonsensical statements as "freedom isn't free" - a theme within your post.

Freedom is a CHOICE and it starts with each of us. The whole point of the article is to provoke more interest in that choice.

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post pictures on gas pumps
Posted by: Must have been the Roses on Jun 15, 2006 6:57 AM   
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These pictures should be posted on gas pumps all over the country.

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right effing on!
Posted by: heech on Jun 15, 2006 6:58 AM   
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Now that is an article I can get behind. Thank you Alternet!

The Crimean War was the first war of the era of the photograph. When British citizens saw the grisly photos come back from the front lines they were traumatized and revolted.

The true face of war needs to be spread across this country, and the world.

Americans are protected from these images and so live in a world of opinion devoid of reality. Please, please advocate for the distribution far and wide of what it really looks like and the sounds of the grieving mothers, fathers, orphans.

But one small criticism: let's not call it porn in any context -- no matter that some human beings get off on it, let's call it what it is ... an abomination.

» RE: right effing on! Posted by: resistance6
Conundrum
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 15, 2006 7:28 AM   
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If a bunker buster
falls in the desert
and no one
shows you photos
of the shadows
of little bodies
etched on concrete walls,
is the wailing of mothers
still swallowed
by the whirr
of rotors?

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No more deception!
Posted by: LeonDion on Jun 15, 2006 7:28 AM   
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a compelling article; thank you
Posted by: mrd on Jun 15, 2006 7:53 AM   
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But to say that our soldiers, or some of our soldiers anyway, do not see the Iraqis as humans is not to suggest that they see them simply as objects. Rather, they surely see them as enemies, as "evildoers," as "insurgents," as "terrorists." Such creatures are almost by definition, beyond sympathy, entirely alien, and not just to be randomly harmed, but abused.

An anecdote which I hope will illuminate the dehumanizing ideology into which soliders are being indoctrinated-- My brother recently returned for a break from his Marines training and matter-of-factly informed me that "there are no innocent Iraqis."

This is something he brought home from his training, something soldiers are apparently being led to believe. Or, if it is something he pulled out of his own mind, there is nothing in his training that led him to question it or reconsider the human status of Iraqi civilians. He used this comment to dismiss the notion of "colateral damage" and to legitimate killing innocents.

I fear for him, for the soldiers over there who are acting out such ideology, for our country--and most of all for Iraqi civilians.

All I can say is................
Posted by: zappa33 on Jun 15, 2006 8:14 AM   
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Holy Fuck!!! The War Trophy photos are the most dispicable thing I have ever seen. I am ashamed to be an American after seeing that our own soldiers who I normally support, have kept these photos, not for the public to see in a good way but in a sociopathic snuff film type of way.
I may have to throw up soon for many reasons.
I am going to send this link to everyone I know including my congressmen. I hope these images will WAKE PEOPLE THE FUCK UP!!.

Love to all,
Michael Umanoff

Future employment for pyschopaths
Posted by: chica on Jun 15, 2006 8:39 AM   
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The veterans of this tragic and epically evil war are returning home to the US. That this war has produced thousands of pyscopaths is indisputable. The veterans admin is absolutely deplorable in its efforts to help these people. Why? Most of those returning will soon suffer, and probably die as the result of depleted uranium, such as we are seeing from the first Gulf War. Those who are not horribly, physically maimed will return to the streets. What happened in Haditha is NOT an abberation. Our military, our government.. WE.. are training scores of killers who are trained to see civilians as enemies. Don't kid yourself on this one. When americans have had enough and do rise up, will it be so hard to find a government military who will be willing to train their weapons on you?

THE ABYSS AND BIBLE BANGERS
Posted by: NET on Jun 15, 2006 9:10 AM   
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We will never be forgiven, nor will these families forget. To (kind of) quote Goethe again, "stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares back." Paraphrasing C. Jung, "True innocence is not being an untested goody two-shoes; innocence is knowing the evil of which you are capable and CHOOSING not to do it." We have a bunch of kids running around over in Afghanistan and Iraq, who have not yet had the time to examine their motives, get over their insane fear by becoming monsters instead, and all commanded by those who choose true evil over their insane "justifications" they glean from obscure bible references and/or lust for wealth and power. I had a christian fundamentalist co-worker (an R.N., male) when we were talking about the invasion of Iraq and my vocal opposition to it, tell me very quietly, "sometimes death is necessary for change." My reply, "yes, sudden death is very liberating." Anyone who continues to countenance this war, is either whistling in the dark or has stared long into the abyss. Fundamentalists, get a grip, and please don't bring out that old saw to comfort yourself when one of your children dies needlessly in this godless war, "it was God's will, he/she died doing God's bidding." That hound don't hunt anymore.
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I don't see anyone leaving
Posted by: pdq on Jun 15, 2006 9:11 AM   
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Throughout the article and most of the following posts, there are recurring themes. "I hate Bush", "Our troops are psychopathic killers" and "Those poor Iraqi's" Lets address these one at a time so that the progressive readers will follow along. Mr. President, yes he might not be the best person for the job, that person unfortunately is fictious. That is a fact based on that anyone of us is human, makes mistakes, would resort to revenge, be swayed by our peers at some level, and can and will get caught up in the moment. That is why there is a cabinet. Unfortunately for us, the best proponent to morality and common decency is no longer on the cabinet. I speak of Colin Powell. Do some research to understand why he resigned before you try to drag my character through the mud. Second, lest you all remember, there are psychopaths in every walk of live and place on earth. By making a blanket statement that ALL of our troops are natural born killers is ignorant. For that matter, what about Senator John McClain or John Kerry? Are they the same killers that you speak of? They are men of our military in a time that makes today military look like a retreat. Oh, wait, I will bet that you have not served your country or visited a 3rd world country outside the press coverage. It is not pretty, this fact that humans are animals with one difference, a sense of being. Some will use judgment and others will not. I know that it has been awhile since the DC snipers were having their fun. That is a good case. One person that was not right, kicked out of the ....MILITARY, one younger person swayed into following the ideas and beliefs of his mentor. One was a natural born killer, the other was trained and shows remorse. As do 90% of our troops past present and future. Which leads me to this question; would you want the rapist of your wife or toddler child to walk free, or would you want to save the populous. ( I know, radical thinking, god forbid that we show the savage in killing) DON'T FORGET THE RAPISTS RIGHTS... POOR RAPISTS. This goes hand in hand with the "Poor Iraqis", DO NOT forget the victims. Did you forget the Kurds, how about the thousands of able bodied men forced to fight in front of the Republican Guard in the first or second Iraqi war. Yes, occupation of a foreign country is oppressive to the rightful citizens. Our nation has been on both sides of the occupation more times than ANY other nation, all starting with our emancipation from the British empire. We fought the British troops the same as the Iraqis are today. Unless we understand the mentality of the populous, there will be blood spilled on both sides and the mass of innocents trapped in the middle. There are accidents on our roads daily that claim innocent lives by means less than being shot, or a car being ran over by a Abrams M1A1 tank. But until the IRAQI people can stand on their own two feet and put down the insurgency that is killing more Iraqi people, they are fighting a bloody battle that must be fought until conclusion. Otherwise the war to remove a ruthless dictator who killed his own people for his and his sons’ dastardly pleasure will go from insurgency to revolution. And do remember, with Iraq being the birthplace of humanity, with that comes its evil twin, war. That region has been fighting from inception. That is what humans do; fight for what they feel is right and important. And this country is based on those ideas. So, enjoy your right to say or write what you feel is important to you, but please stop generalizing your fellow Americans unless the facts are offered in a non-biased manor. And since there will be some ranting at what I have written, I will say this;
If you don't like what is happening, do something to change it, or leave and find a better place to request a citizenship. I hear that China has a wonderful health plan at the expense of your rights of child birth and freedom of speech. But those don't matter, now do they.

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What if our response to 9/11
Posted by: surfreality on Jun 15, 2006 11:25 AM   
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had been to spend a few billion dollars building teaching hospitals in Beirut, Gaza, Islamabad, Dafur, Cairo and Jeruslam? What if we built them under the auspices of Doctors without Borders? Would we be more or less secure than we are today?
Those horrble images are our response to 9/11. Would we be more secure if our response had been one of peace, mercy and healing? What if we were to break the cycle of violence?

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So You Want to Talk of War
Posted by: Patrick Murfin on Jun 15, 2006 11:42 AM   
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So you want to talk of war.

That's fine by me.

Just step over here and sit down.

We can chat.

I've been thinking a lot about it lately

and so, I know, have you.

Here, have some tea.

We can talk, as they say in the papers,

freely and frankly.

But first, let's decorate the table.

Hand me that bag in the corner, please.

Yes, I know it's heavy.

Be careful not to stain your clothes.

Ah, the bloody, severed head.

Place it just so upon the lazy susan.

There, we can see just what it is

we are discussing.

Now, as you were saying...

--Patrick Murfin

"HERETIC, REBEL, A THING TO FLOUT"
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Gypsy
Posted by: Gypsy on Jun 15, 2006 11:56 AM   
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My father witnessed and participated in heinous acts during WWII. He spent the rest of his long life at the bottom of a bottle. The wounds to his body healed. The wounds to his soul never healed. He was never able to talk about it until the very end of his life when he knew he was dying. The trophy photos gave me a glimpse of the images that haunted him. We need to work very hard to stop this war.

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If we're the greatest, everyone else is less than....
Posted by: caracolsma on Jun 15, 2006 12:23 PM   
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The notion that the US is the greatest country in the world sets the stage for diminishing all other people in the world. If the number of Iraqis killed every day were American soldiers, we would see a huge outcry from all over America. However, they're just "foreigners" or "aliens", and they just don't happen to count as much as we do. Unless and until we see people from other countries as our equals, their injuries and deaths will remain unimportant.......merely collateral damage......and anti-human policies will continue.

reality
Posted by: AnarchX on Jun 15, 2006 1:22 PM   
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those pictures should be in the face of every person who supports war, on the frontpage of every paper, on the news every night.

that's what soldiers do - both sides. the reality of war. we take young people (both sides) and turn them into monsters capable of butchering other human beings without a thought.

may God, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu, etc help us all ....

support our "brave" men and women, blablabla
Posted by: cold2touch on Jun 15, 2006 3:03 PM   
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and more heroic blather, pour it on!
The fact is that technicians wiggling joysticks are directing Hellfire missiles headed with depleted uranium for better burn effects indiscriminately onto Iraqis. Who cares whether they are civilians or men defending their land, aka terrorists, they are all hajjis, right? So the score is US: 2,500 dead soldiers, Iraq:250,000, in other words, a 1:100 kill ratio in favor of the Empire.
Wasn't it always thus, since Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, Spanish Conquistadors, Dutch, French, Belgian, English, German, Japanese, Soviet and last but not the least, American imperial troops slaughtered the outgunned victims like fish in a barrel, ascribing it to their heroism rather than overlwhelming technological superiority.
It is sick enough that they kill indisciminately and without remorse, torture, rape and humiliate but to then claim honor and heroism, c'mon already, what next, beatification and canonization, like Saint Rumsfeld?
Bloody cowards and sadists, one and all, the brave ones refused to go and faced court martial rather than slaughter innocents for Rush Limbaugh's perverted pleasure.