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War on Iraq

'Listen to Cindy'

By Elizabeth Edwards, AlterNet. Posted August 17, 2005.


The wife of former vice presidential candidate John Edwards writes an impassioned open letter calling for support on behalf of Cindy Sheehan.
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Dear friend,

Casey Sheehan was born May 29, 1979, the first-born child of Cindy and Pat Sheehan. It was a long labor.

Fifty-one days after Casey was born, our first child, Wade was born, also after a long labor. They started school the same year, played the same games, watched the same television shows, loved the same country.

On April 4, 1996, three weeks after going to Washington as a winner in a national contest about what America meant to him, Wade died in an automobile accident.

On April 4, 2004, eight years later to the day, Casey, who loved his country enough to wear its uniform, died in Iraq. Cindy and Pat's hearts broke, as had ours.

We teach our children right from wrong. We teach them compassion and honor. We teach them the dignity of each life. And then, sometimes, the lessons we taught are turned on their heads.

Cindy Sheehan is asking a very simple thing of her government, and she and her family, and most particularly Casey, have paid a very dear price for the right to ask this.

Cindy wants Casey's death to have meant as much as his life -- lived fully -- might have meant. I know this, as does every mother who has ever stood where we stand. And the President says he knows enough, doesn't need to hear from Casey's mother, doesn't need to assure her that Casey's is not one small death in a long and seemingly never-ending drip of deaths, that there is a plan here that will bring our sons and daughters home. He doesn't need to hear from her, he says. He claims he understands how some people feel about the deaths in Iraq.

The President is wrong.

Whether you agree or disagree with every part, or any part, of what Cindy wants to say, you know it is better that the President hear different opinions, particularly from those with such a deep and personal interest in the decisions of our government. Today, another voice would be helpful.

Cindy Sheehan can be that voice. She has earned the right to be that voice. Please join me in supporting Cindy's right to be heard.

I grew up in a military family. My father and my grandfather were career Navy pilots. I saw what it meant to live a life every single day when the possibility of an honorable death is always there, at the dinner table, on the playground, at the base school. Will someone's father not come home tonight? And I didn't just feel the possibility, I saw the real thing, and, believe me, it stays with you, it changes you.

I also saw, then and more recently as I campaigned across this country and spent time with courageous military mothers and wives, how little attention is paid to the needs and the voices of military families. It has to change.

The sacrifices that our military men and women make assure us that we have the strongest military in the world, but the sacrifices that their families make are too often ignored. The President's cavalier dismissal of Cindy Sheehan is emblematic of a greater problem.

This is a mother who raised her son to love his country enough to serve. This is a mother who lived the impossible life of a mother of a soldier serving in Iraq, unable to sleep when he sleeps, unable to sleep when he is on duty, unable to watch television, unable to stop watching television.

And when the worst does happen, when the world comes crashing down and she puts the boy she bore, the boy she taught, the boy she loved in the ground, what does that government say to her? It says, "We'll do the talking; we don't need to hear from you."

If we are decent and compassionate, if we know the lessons we taught our children, or if, selfishly, all we want is the long line of the brave to protect us in the future, we should listen to the mothers now.

Listen to Cindy.

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Elizabeth Edwards is the wife of Senator John Edwards, D-N.C.

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DEMOCRATS BEGONE!
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 17, 2005 3:24 AM   
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You know, even though I whole-heartedly agree with Mrs. Edward's message, I resent the Democrats swooping down on this issue for political advantage. That party has abandoned America and its liberal and progressive heritage. It stands for nothing, certainly not me. I resent them for letting the conservatives establish such a vast infrastructure unanswered.

They should have been screaming from the rooftops when the Fairness Doctrine was gutted. They should have been there with counter measures the day Rush Limbaugh went on the air. They should have fought consolidation of the media loudly and like pit bulls. Instead, they let this go on silently for over twenty years.

They should have been forming their own networks of contributors, think tanks and policy organizations for twenty years to counter the conservatives. They slept while the enemy worked diligently to dismantle the America that was built for its citizens and reconstruct in its place an icon that serves corporate masters instead. That's a dereliction of duty, and I fear that we will never recover from their falling asleep on the job.

Now, a good citizen unaffiliated with the Democratic Party does more to tip the status quo than the entire Democratic Party has for the last five years, and the Democrats are all over it like jackals on a pork chop. This is no better than what the Republicans did when they parasitically latched onto the Schiavo carcass. It's another regular Bonfire of the Vanities.

Why don't the Democrats just back the hell of and go back to whoring themselves for a few pieces of silver. We should reject these invertebrate scavengers and run them off ourselves while encouraging the respectable liberal infrastructure to coalesce and lead the charge. The best people from organizations like Media Matters and MoveOn and DemocraticUnderground and Alternet and Online Journal and the ACLU and others that are competent and trustworthy need to network and create a vehicle to handle such matters worthy of our attention and respect.

Democrats begone! Shoo, I say!

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frenchscott
Posted by: Scott Griffith on Aug 17, 2005 3:55 AM   
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Bravo, ssegallmd! Democrats and Republicans have become two sides of a tarnished, ugly coin. Time to flip it and find a new one. Mrs. Edwards' piece, in itself, is bang-on too, but one wonders, inevitably, about its motivation.

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» Not true Posted by: Jeffrey Feldman
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This is not helpful
Posted by: Jeffrey Feldman on Aug 17, 2005 4:59 AM   
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To attack Elizabeth Edwards at the moment she expresses her admiration for Cindy Sheehan is mean spirited and unhelpful. To chide someone when they don't show support for your cause makes sense, but to then slam the door in their face when the show up? That makes no sense at all. That's a formula for driving everyone away.

The lesson of Cindy Sheehan is certainly not that we should be attacking people who support her cause. That's counter to everything she stands for.

If you believe that Cindy Sheehan is inspiring to all Americans, then what difference should it make if some of those Americans are Democrats? It should make no difference. In a political movement it just isn't possible for everyone to show up in the room at the same time. But when people arrive, we should welcome them.

Elizabeth Edwards has been an inspiring leader in her own right. The fact that she has taken time out from her struggle with cancer and her tireless work to end poverty in America--just to write a letter of support for Cindy Sheehan--this should be celebrated as a personal lesson to all of us, not a starting point for a personal attack against Democrats.

Thank you, Elizabeth Edwards for the work that you have done and for using your voice to celebrate and amplify the great accomplishments of Cindy Sheehan. You are welcome here at AlterNet.

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Quan
Posted by: QCao009 on Aug 17, 2005 5:05 AM   
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Thank you, Elizabeth, for that heartfelt message from a mother, a wife and a leader. You would have made a wonderful First Lady and given us a different meaning for honesty, decency and care.

War is not always wrong, and yet, without thinking through the implications of war, we destroy the very basic meaning and substance of life. It takes a mother to understand that, and I am sure all Americans have been touched by Cindy's true heroism. After all, unlike our neocon poilticians and war profiteers, she has no choice. She has to speak up for the bravery of the young American men and women they are sending to die.

True intelligence will recognize that efforts like Cindy's are what rekindle the faith of the people of the world in America. After 9/11 everyone became an American through their grief for what we suffered. We lost that love and that humility when the world saw the cowardly unilateral bullying machoism of the President in Iraq. When true Americans now speak up, we will regain our rightful place of leadership again in the world. Our children and our grandchildren deserve to be proud of being American.

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Posted by: gramps on Aug 17, 2005 5:47 AM   
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Conyers is a Democrat and McCain is a Repulican--lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Cindy Sheehan was a Democrat. Confusing the sell-out Democratic Leadership Council with about half of the voters is a trip to nowhere. Similarly confusing Republican voters with the Bushies is mistaken. Anyone supporting Cindy Sheehan is definitely on our side. This guy sounds like a troll.

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vigil tonight for Cindy
Posted by: ggmurray on Aug 17, 2005 6:33 AM   
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Tonight at 7:30 there is a vigil for Cindy Sheehan and all those who have lost family members in this war. It is being held in communities all over America. I will be there with my husband in a neighboring town square to join with them in prayerful solidarity.

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Thank you, Elizabeth
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 17, 2005 7:05 AM   
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I have been reading John Edwards speeches and I won't forget that *he* wanted every vote in Ohio to be counted. Some progressives are angry at all of the current crop of politicians, but for things to change we need to know who listens to the voice of the people. The attention both of you have been paying to the true democratic backbone of America will be remembered.

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Edwards legacy
Posted by: lamar on Aug 17, 2005 9:08 AM   
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Unfortunately, Mrs. Edwards' message gets lost behind the democratic machine and her husband's political career.
First, many of these posts are correct: the democratic party is a lame duck. It sends a lame centrist message that no one could possibly believe in, and fails to understand that centrist progressives are progressives, not centrists. Example: I like guns, you're not going to change my mind, and I'll never vote Republican, and I hate the NRA. So why does Kerry go duck hunting?
On to Edwards and his overshadowing of his wife: Edwards is a wonderful medical malpractice and personal injury trial lawyer, which means slimey slimey slimey. He's in the Senate for one term, and already thinks he should be president. How many democrats have put in their dues, only to be leap frogged by boy wonder from Carolina? How could we not see his wife's actions as a political stunt? that's what Edwards is all about.
As to Edwards' wife: I'm sorry, but he is so sleazy that I have to see this as a publicity stunt, laching on to an established franchise, just like Mr. Edwards did with Mr. Kerry, ultimately draining the franchise for the advancement of the Edwards' own franchise.

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Wonderful Letter
Posted by: nakis on Aug 17, 2005 9:16 AM   
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That was a very well written letter. Thank you Mrs. Edwards.
I hope you and your husband endeavor to continue your sentiments into the political landscape.

I also have to reflect what ssegullmd stated. No offense to Mrs. Edwards. Some people responded as if ssegullmd attacke her. Though in a sense he questions the motivation behind the timeliness of this letter.
Going back to ssegullmds points on how the Democrat leadership is voting crucially over issues and bills that affect the people they claim to be supporting. How the bankruptcy bill passed thanks to Democrats voting their conscience, how the Medicare bill passed, how the Energy bill passed just to name a few. How the leaders of the Democratic party play ball in the same ballpark and under the same rules as the right wing Republicans. Rules that undermine the fundamentals of the Constitution. Rules that desperately need to be changed. Yet they continue to play those rules instead of changing them.
This doesn't discount the good ones that are still around. I have many local and state Democrats that are real people of progressive change. They're fighting at the local and state level to stem the hemorraging cause by the right wingers at the federal level.
Unfortunately who can give allegiance to a party that even though has great people and activists in lower positions when they have such sellouts (yes sellouts, the word fits) in the leadership positions. They have played the game too long and refuse to even recognize the need for rule changes. Rule changes that can bring democracy back to America.

Again, that is a well written letter Mrs. Edwards. I just hope that it wasn't written with another agenda in mind that views this as a political opportunity and little else.

Please cut ssegullmd some slack. Ssegullmd is a good person with a good mind. We all are angry and cynical in these times when people of good conscience are called traitors, haters of America. And ssegullmd's resentment as you know is well justified. It's not a case of the baby with the bathwater. It's a case of seeing the same thing over and over again and when you see it again you have to assume it really is the same thing again. Hopefully it's not. Hopefully, it's a sign that the Democratic party is pushing for better things and not the same old.

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Get over politics - this a someone's child!
Posted by: pahrumphomes on Aug 17, 2005 9:53 AM   
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My heart goes out to Cindy Sheehan - all she wants is "W" to sit down for (what started out to be) a few minutes and talk to her about why her son had to die. Now, because he waited for 7 minutes too long once before, HE has created a mountain out of what could have been a molehill for himself. This thing is being blown into a huge repercusion on his part. As the mother of a Desert Storm vet, wife of a Vietnam vet, daughter & granddaughter of WWII vets, I understand her concern and feelings. And I support her 100%! Let's get some answers George! I am a registered Republican and did not vote for Bush either time. This country is blinded by the bs the political machine rolls over them or pulls out from under them. Blasters of Cindy Sheehan must have no life and definately no children in Iraq! (Why aren't the Bush twins signing up for the military anyway? Don't they support their dad's war either?) When you throw the first stone you take full responsibility - oh well, just another day of not taking responsibility for George, I guess.

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FutureOutlook
Posted by: betterfuture on Aug 17, 2005 10:34 AM   
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I agree and pray for Mrs. Edwards and Mrs. Sheahan.

I empathize with the writer who is angry that the democratic Senate is not voting for the best interest of the country. However, I believe that we can only change things by speaking out AND through information. I feel that Cindy has struck a nerve with many voters-Repulicans and Dems.

Unfortunately it takes this type of Drama for people to pay attention.

The mainstream NEEDS to hear more about the results associated with Bush and his policies.

For example - Bush requires African countries to remove condoms from their clinic shelves (to support their abstinance policy) in exchange for Aids medication.

For example- In New Jersey a recent ruling has stopped govt. supported clean needle exchanges another way which Aids and Hepatitis will spread.

For example- The technology for energy efficient transportation IS available and we MUST demand that it be used/developed so that we are not competing with India and China for OIL.

And the list goes on. (healthcare, jobs,labor laws) Aids, lack of affordable healthcare, lack of jobs all affect both dems and republicans.

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right and left
Posted by: lindalee on Aug 17, 2005 10:55 AM   
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This isn't about right, left, democrat or republican. This is about a mother who lost her son in a war and a President who doesn't care.

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» RE: right and left Posted by: nanapantyhead
The More Things Change...
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 17, 2005 11:02 AM   
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I've become disabled in my late fifties, or I would most certainly be in Texas with Mrs. Sheehan right this minute. Because I believe I know pretty much how she feels. In 1972, my husband, a Navy fighter pilot, was shot down and listed as MIA. He remained in that status for eight years before being declared dead. As those eight years were ending; Saigon fell, the Communists took over. And the insidious Armageddon that had become all but an article of faith preached by the White House and the Pentagon? Never happened. Nothing. Nada. The U.S. was every bit as secure in 1973, having withdrawn from Vietnam, as it was in 1963, when it had sent the first troops. My husband, like Mrs. Sheehan's son, just happend to be in a bad place at a bad time...when powerful men were in need of pawns to play out their geopolitical theories in the most unthinkable of all macabre Theatres of the Absurd. Because the sad truth is that Casey's death meant no more to George Bush than my husband's did to Richard Nixon. And neither had the least impact upon the overall security of the United States. No. They merely impacted upon our lives, our hearts, our families, our futures. About which George Bush most assuredly will never give one nanosecond's thought. In fact, my guess is that's why he refuses to meet Mrs. Sheehan face-to-face: acting isn't his long suit; it might be hard to drum up enough ersatz concern so that it could break through the barrier of his bully-on-the-block permanent smirk. No, Mrs. Sheehan, you can stay in Crawford until the snows come and you catch pneumonia. That genocidal bastard will never show his face. He, like Nixon before him, was happy to take your son's warm body as fodder for his grandiose scheme. And if it happened to fall into the meat grinder...well, war is war, after all. Them's the breaks. And who the hell are you to question the CINC of the whole damn US Armed Forces, lady? That's essentially what I was told when I started writing political broadsides in liberal journals after my husband was lost. I, you see, was expected to be the good little Penelope of a military wife, my faith in our sacred mission in Southeast Asia never wavering. Well, that part was easy; it had never existed. And if I'd had the ingenuity to do what you're doing, I surely would've. So my hat is off to you, lady. I say: smoke the little weasel out!

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On Lameness
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 17, 2005 11:37 AM   
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The Democratic party has suffered boughts of lameness, yet we have also suffered from a bunch of contract murders that have been used against us. It is all part and parcel of this political game.

Many in the Democratic party leadership are only there because they know that many people would not vote for a republican. They also know that of all businesses, politics pays big.

For the mass of us, Instead of leaving the Democratic party, lets work together to throw out the Republicans that masquerade as Democrats.

Cindy is shaking the cadaverous killer boy club and that gang of Ivy leaguge Charlatans with them up. We should put the full weight that we have behind her. Take this fiend, in the office his party stole, down any way possible by any means necessary. It is the difference between survival or death in an upcoming nuclear war that our criminal classes have planned for us.

They have already tried to nuclear sucker punch us; when they go this time they will never return to any seats of power anywhere in this world again. Their crimes are too complete.

We need also to create a new system, one that does not need death squads and prison camps and war criminals to lead us.

The original system created by slavers and merchant pirates has proved over time to be not merely no good, but absolutely deadly.

We would of all been nuclear waste already if not for this intervention by unkown powers from, "Who knows where?"

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anonymous
Posted by: anonymous on Aug 17, 2005 12:12 PM   
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Hey Alternet editorial, you'd better put a banner head-line at the top of your site: CASEY SHEEHAN DIED FOR OIL! Period.

Bush and Co. know it and are going to do whatever they can to get control of what little is left. Including the draft. And we won't conserve. Won't use public transportation. Won't stop driving fifty times a day for any little whim. Won't turn off the AC. Won't stop shopping at those crappy discount stores with their massive amounts of imported plastic junk. Won't stop funding corporations that intend to use oil for THEIR benefit. When it's crunch time who will still have private jets?

I have a beautiful twenty-one-year-old son. I don't want to lose him because we are being lied to by our "leaders."

All other stories pale in comparison to what is in store for us concerning Peak Oil.

Cindy Sheehan is one of the bravest people I've ever heard of.

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Stop glorifying the horror
Posted by: IanA on Aug 17, 2005 12:56 PM   
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I thank my karma, I'm not American but I share pain in stomaching the behaviour of the my British administration under Blair. But it is difficult to take all this grand stand, packaged politicised grief.

For heaven’s sake, death is just death, it comes to all, but grief it’s a private thing, not something to be used as a political tool. My compassion is with anyone who looses a loved one, even if that loved one volunteered for the military in a country that participates in a war of aggression to further hegemony and an illigal regime change. The history of aggression is not new.

For God’s sake stop being so proud of your boys, some who should be condemned as war criminals. There should be shame in a military that drops anti-personnel ordinance in urban areas (shock and aw) or that uses DU shells or condones torture. What is this great nation of yours, that needs to have a military the cost of which is that of the next 40 or 50 largest militaries in the world, and still feels so threatened as to develop “usable Nukes”. Would you be proud of the boys who don’t refuse the order to drop them too? Would they be heros within your countries aims to “project your power” or “protect your interests”?

You are living in a fantasy of propaganda, isolation. self righteousness and ignorance, if you want to morn, spare more than a passing line and take your share of the responsibility for the damage you, yes you and I, as democratic citizens of a wealthy free nations cause. Read the article by Robert Fisk in the Independent:
Secrets of the Morgue – Baghdad body count.

“July was the bloodiest month in Baghdad's modern history - in all, 1,100 bodies were brought to the city's mortuary; executed for the most part, eviscerated, stabbed, bludgeoned, tortured to death. The figure is secret.

We are not supposed to know that the Iraqi capital's death toll last month was only 700 short of the total American fatalities in Iraq since April of 2003. Of the dead, 963 were men - many with their hands bound, their eyes taped and bullets in their heads - and 137 women. The statistics are as shameful as they are horrifying. For these are the men and women we supposedly came to "liberate" - and about whose fate we do not care."

You are not just American citizens you are citizens of the world and so were those dead Iraqis.

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Shame on you, elite!
Posted by: verdanteye@yahoo.com on Aug 17, 2005 1:48 PM   
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Bullcrap! You know nothing about parenthood and nothing about Casey Sheehan. How dare you presume to know his reaction to his mother's grief? It's sickening, really...I keep reading these smarmy little posts that start out with some mindless pap like "I don't know how it feels to lose a child, but...."
Stick to subjects you actually know something about and keep your mouth shut if you don't know. Casey Sheehan would never have existed at all if not for his mother, and she has every right (and I would say, an obligation), as a parent) to protest the unnecessary, unjust death of her child.

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Harken back to the words of E Mandel House . . .
Posted by: larrytm on Aug 17, 2005 4:49 PM   
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. . . if you want to know why the democrats act like republicans. To those unaware, House was Woodrow Wilson's Karl rove. He also authored a book published in 1912 called Phillip Dru, Administrator. In it he stated three thingis were necessary for the government to achieve. First, a central bank, second, an income tax, and third, control of both political parties. We all know that in 1913 during Wilson's first administration the first two 'things' happened. It took a little longer to realize the third 'thing'. In 1921 Mr. House along with some other members of the elite formed the secret society known to us as The Council on Foreign Relations. (CFR) In recent years this organization has populated much of the national political structure of both parties. So much so that, democrat or republican we have seen most of our presidents and most of their cabinets and other high level appointees spring from their ranks.
So what, you may say. Well, keep in mind this and their offshoot organizations, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, not to mention a predecessor organization, skull & Bones, are very much Secret Societies. As such you and I and every other American who are not members, have no real way of knowing their true agendas. The meetings we pay our leaders to attend are not open to the public nor are any members permitted to reveal what is discussed. So that's what! How can anyone really expect the 'other' party to go against the dictates of those who in effect control both parties?
While Cindy Sheehan is a ligtening rod in today's political scheme of things, hers and our interests won't be served by either of the two major political organizations in this country. What is clearly needed is a third party with immense grassroots support, and then perhaps we can put an administration in washington that will be responsive to the people and not the corporate welfare crowd.
I would be proud to vote for Cindy Sheehan as the next president of the United States.
Larrytm
Hobe Sound, Fl

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Abolish political parties !!!!
Posted by: RayP on Aug 18, 2005 5:37 AM   
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As a non-partisan, I feel that political parties should be abolished, and the members of Congress, Senate, and the President should run as individuals, rather than members of a group.

Grouping ourselves into groups has only divided the people of the US, and has hindered us from getting far too many things done. If someone identifies themself as a "Republican", anyone who opposes even one of their views will be branded as a "nasty Democrat". Likewise those who consider themselves "Democrats" will oppose even the sensible tactics that some of the "evil Republicans" may have.

There are several issues, MOST of which are non-party related. But if too many people of one party supports the issue, then those in the other party say "oh we can't approve of that, THEY are approving of it and WE must therefore disapprove"

The words "us", "them", "we", and "they" can be some of the most evil words.

There is no way that all people of a single group will agree the same on everything. This is because we are humans. The sooner we realize this, the better off we will be.

Lets move to abolish the political parties where we can have a better future for the USA !!!!

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Who are you angry at?
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 18, 2005 6:50 AM   
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Mrs. Sheehan has spoken of not only wanting to spare other US mothers the grief of burying their sons, but she also speaks of the mothers in Iraq.

Most of the regulars on this site are very concerned about the death and disease America has rained upon Iraq.

However, the message a majority outside the progressives seem to listen to is the one about *our* troops being harmed physically and psychologically by this war, and the pointlessness of it. So those are the talking points chosen to focus on in much of the media.

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» RE: Who are you angry at? Posted by: Samantha Vimes
Letter to Cindy Pt #1
Posted by: johnharold on Aug 18, 2005 7:15 AM   
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Dear Ms Cindy Sheehan,

I hope this note will help you cope with the problem you are having in trying to meet with President Bush. I would like to relate to you something that happened to me a few years ago and what I learned from the experience. In 1989, just a few weeks after the first President Bush went on national television and gave his "War on Drugs" speech, I was detained by US Customs officials in upstate New York. I had driven to Montreal Canada to visit and was returning to Albany, New York where I was working. US Customs asked if they could search my car, I consented, and waited inside the US Customs building. Sometimes later, I was taken to a private room and strip searched. Later, I was told that cocaine had been found in my car and that under "Zero Tolerance" my car and everything in it was being seized. I was then shackled in public view for several hours until a New York State Trooper arrived. The substance that the US Customs had determined to be cocaine was placed beside me and then I was arrested by the State of New York and charged with possession of cocaine. Once I noticed what the substance was, I informed the custom officials and the state trooper that it was styptic powder. Though it was in my shaving kit, it was a white powder and that was all the evidence they needed.

I knew that I was innocent. As an American, I had faith that my family, my elected officials and my own federal governemnt would be fair and that my innocence would be shown. But, no one believed me. US Customs sent a letter to GMAC (my car was financed through GMAC) saying that the car had be confiscated for smuggling drugs into America. When I contacted both of my senators and my state representative, I was told that there was nothing they could do and that I had to understand that it was a War on Drugs. My own parents did not believe me because they thought that George Bush was a good Christian. They had faith in their government and would never believe the government would lie.

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Letter to Cindy Pt#2
Posted by: johnharold on Aug 18, 2005 7:17 AM   
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After some months and several delays caused by the State of New York, the styptic powder was tested. It was determined NOT to be any kind of controlled substance. The State of New York sent me the paperwork attesting to this fact. I was never charged with any federal crime, though the federal government had seized my property (the 4th and 5th amedments mean nothing anymore). Then at my own expense I began the two month process of filing the paperwork to regain possession of my car. The total cost to me was my job, about $9000 in expenses, and my faith in my government.

No one believed me, no one cared. No one ever apologized. No one ever wrote one letter in support of me. Not my elected officials, not my family, not my friends. Justice, it is just a word. Our politicians will grant you some of their personal time if you are willing to pay for it Cindy. But, the price is steep. It might help to read the teachings of Jesus Christ and to pray for President Bush, because Jesus commanded us to love our enemies and bless those that curse you. Osama and Saddam are not your enemies Cindy. Those men are the enemies of George Bush, yet he refuses to follow Christ's examples as set forth in the Bible.

Cindy, you have paid a very high price, but not high enough for our current governemnt. It is not blood they want, it is dollars. Why else would they cut taxes and raise spending? Our soldiers are nothing more to our politicians than the innocent people we have killed in this War on Terror, Global Struggle or whatever name they which to put on it. Nothing more than collateral damage as they and their political associates profit from this war.

May your heart know peace,
Dizi Mizipi

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» RE: Letter to Cindy Pt#2 Posted by: mmnichols
Pray for the Edwards
Posted by: alezander on Aug 18, 2005 9:03 AM   
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Dear Elizabeth:

In spite of your own battle with cancer and the loss you suffered when Wade died, you have shown the most wonderful courage, compassion, and empathy than many are capable of doing (I speak of our current pResident).

Thank you for the wonderful letter, and I am very encouraged by your continued concern for the American people.

I, too, have a son (an only child) who chose to serve his country, and not too many can know how I suffered during the six months he served in the first Gulf War. He was raised to be a patriotic, caring citizen and has conducted himself in an admirable fashion. I cannot imagine how I would feel if he was serving in this current mess.

Cindy Sheehan is a suffering mother. Her voice should be heard, and she should have the support of all Americans who have a caring bone in their body...whether they are Democrat, Republican, Independent, or other!

May God bless and keep you and your family safe and near the heart of all who care!

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What kind of nation
Posted by: peggyt on Aug 18, 2005 10:05 AM   
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What kind of nation allows fellow citizens to die needlessly? Ours does. We are not compassionate, nor are we decent. If we were we would not be so complacent about the thousands of our citizens who die each year from lack of basic health care.

Military deaths are a tragedy. However, this country is now incapable of even caring much about needless civilian deaths.

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she has a right to protest
Posted by: flatulence on Aug 20, 2005 3:41 AM   
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cindy sheehan gas a right to be upset. she has lost a child. she has a right to make demands and be angry. What upsets me is how the liberal media has latched onto her and used her for there own political agenda. It upsets me that radical left wing groups have latched themselves onto her with a frightening tenacity. These left wing groups dont care about her, they want power. they want to win seats in 2006. look at the people around her, naral, moveon, codepink. michael moore. It is absolutely disgusting how far liberals will stoop to further there selfish political agenda.

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Antiwar Attention Deficit Disorder
Posted by: fenster on Aug 20, 2005 5:04 AM   
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Cindy got bored and went home. Yawn.

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Why do we need to here from you
Posted by: popsicle67 on Aug 20, 2005 10:16 PM   
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Mrs. Edwards, What was the real reason for this diatribe? Are you feeling left out of the limelight since you didn't make it to the White House? Do you need to feel valid? Your opinion in this matter was like hearing one hand clapping. Go back to your dreary impotent little life and quit bothering us with this
ill-concieved dreck.

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» RE: Why do we need to here from you Posted by: standupwoman
Cindy's Latest Actual Words...
Posted by: haystack1317 on Aug 20, 2005 11:18 PM   
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Check out this link to read a vehement letter from Cindy Sheehan ---- http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/08/con05297.html

The bottom line is, she is not playing a game, not hers nor anyone else's, and that kind of integrity is unbreakable. I too am frustrated to see Democrats who supported the war aligning themselves with Cindy Sheehan, but I'd be much more frustrated if they continued to ignore the anti-war movement completely. It's hard to say "better late than never" and "better a small step than no step at all" after so many needless deaths. It's easy to feel rage and nothing else. But if this country is going to be wrested back from the Corporate Behemoth, we have to sieze the moments when the wind blows slightly to the left, not bitch about the way it has been until now or complain that it's just for show. We have here a woman who's integrity is unshakeable and we need to take advantage of it quickly and powerfully.

It is rare to find someone who doesn't change their opinions based on those of others. This point was brought home to me most clearly on Nelson Mandela's first visit to the U.S. In a Nightline interview he expressed views that some might consider anti-Israeli. Ted Koppel said, "Aren't you concerned about what the American public is going to think of those remarks?" Nelson Mandela said, "What kind of man do you think I am that I would change my opinion based on what other people think?" Ted Koppel was just dumbfounded. He was speechless. Obviously, he wasn't used to any American politicians expressing such integrity. He looked like a little, embarassed boy next to a giant.

The point is, people with true integrity, who won't change their views for any reason other than a change of heart, are rare. Read this buzzflash piece if you want to know what Cindy Sheehan is really saying. Then be glad that anyone is paying attention to her and let a tiny hint of actual debate take place in this country. I know it's not enough and it's mostly charade and almost futile. But, to say it's completely futile would be the equivalent of ending the debate, and if that were the case none of us would be on Alternet trying to find ways to change things. We must look at this as a positive step. We all should be trying to find ways to blow it up to the highest degree possible.

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everyone already knows
Posted by: fwhitelight on Aug 21, 2005 2:03 AM   
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If it wasn't already OBVIOUS to any school child that the political machinery in this corporate holding (some still refer to as a country) is nothing more than a puppet show . . .
I guess we could consider your misplaced ill timed perspective just old news.
As it stands, first we have to bring down the dictatorship, by uniting with Cindy and Elizabeth and ANY OTHERS that will bring the axis of corporate evil to its knees. Then, and only then, AFTER this has been accomplished, the restructuring of a REAL democratic system can be addressed..

Have you no sense of timing?
Or do you simply enjoy hearing yourself
blathering on so much, that you offer up your really obvious
observations
like it’s your very own secret, and earth shattering discovery?

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END our ADDICTION to OIL !!!
Posted by: ggmurray on Aug 21, 2005 8:06 AM   
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What will it take for America to put an end to its unhealthy appetite for oil? More blood? A ruined economy? Ten-dollar-a-gallon gasoline? Endless jihad?
Sweep the useless Bush administration out of office! Elect people who have the courage to finance the non-polluting fuels of the future - that are needed NOW!
With no need for oil, we would have no need for unsavory manipulations of other countries. With a real fuel alternative, America would once again lead the world by her example of right action.

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Echo from the Past - Part I
Posted by: wrdalton on Aug 22, 2005 8:28 AM   
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Dear Elizabeth,

Many years ago, you and John and I were classmates in law school. I was a Jesse Helms Republican and you and John were Jim Hunt Democrats, and I remember enjoying some spirited discussions with you in the lounge outside Mr. Tripp's snack bar. It may surprise you to learn that I was speaking to my friends in opposition to the Iraq invasion when John was voting to authorize it. I have no objection to Mrs. Sheehan camping outside the President's ranch in Texas, and I understand the political prudence of jumping on these boats as they float by, but, frankly, I think her personal campaign is a distraction from the real issue.

First, while I agree we should withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq as expeditiously as possible, the fact that Mrs. Sheehan is outraged and grieved by the death of her son does nothing to advance the argument for that withdrawal. If the war were justified then the fact that American troops would die in combat must be taken as a given, and the loss and grief that would ensue surely should have been entered into the calculation of "counting the costs" before the decision to invade was made. I'm certain that you and John were not oblivious to this reality at the time he supported the President. If the war was not justified, then the President should not have been supported, even if this had been a conflict which, like Bosnia and Kosovo, the U.S. could have engaged in solely through missile and air attacks, with minimal risk to U.S. personnel. But Mrs. Sheehan's personal grief as a bereaved mother and the media storm surrounding her since she captured their attention contributes nothing to answering that question.

Second, while the number of U.S. casualties is still small enough that the families of the fallen might be granted a personal, if group, interview with the President, I understand that Mrs. Sheehan has already been granted this privilege. And, as you and John are yourselves public figures with a national following, you will know better than I the impossibility for those in your position, much more the President, of agreeing to every request to meet with someone who asks you. Mr. Bush has no moral obligation to grant her another audience, particularly as it is obvious Mrs. Sheehan's purpose is not to reach any kind of reprochement with the President, but simply to cause him political embarrassment.

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Echo from the Past - Part II
Posted by: wrdalton on Aug 22, 2005 8:29 AM   
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The circus in Crawford has simply distracted the country with discussion of two tangential issues - how should America address the grief of the families of the fallen (at least half of whom are petitioning the President to "stay the course", so that the loss of their loved one "will not have been in vain"), and should the President apply "grease" to this one particular "squeaky wheel" that has popped up on the political landscape? Even if the President suffers a loss of popularity for his handling of this "crisis", he will still be the victor because, once again, the American body politic will have been pulled away from addressing the issue of the war itself.

The public face of the Democrat Party is also rescuing the President in this way, because while most of the "loyal opposition" are now saying the Iraq invasion was a mistake in the first place, they are still banging the President's drum in saying that now that we're there we must stay until the "task is done" simply in order to save what remains of American credibility in the world. Mrs. Sheehan and the events surrounding her do nothing to answer this argument. What will answer this argument, if enough prominent Democrats and Republicans would voice it, is an analysis that shows that while an immediate American withdrawal would indeed hurt American prestige in the world and risk the survival of nascent Iraqi democracy, the available alternative, a continuation of the current fruitless campaign, will result in even greater discredit to the effectiveness of U.S military power and foreign policy, and will serve further to weaken the forces of democracy in Iraq as they become more indelibly identified in the minds of Iraqis with the ever more despised American occupation.

This is the kind of hard-nosed truth-telling we need to hear from our politicians in Washington and around the country, not more of the customary scramble for "face time" on television newscasts next to grieving moms outside the President's ranch, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.

Mary and I have our own children in college and public school here in the state, and we keep you and your family in our prayers as you continue your medical treatment. I hope our paths will cross again when we return to Chapel Hill.

By grace and in faith,

William Reid Dalton III

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Cindy is Brave and deserves our support
Posted by: yellow on Aug 22, 2005 8:37 AM   
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There is nothing in the world wrong with a grieving parent who politicizes that grief in order to create needed awareness and social change so others don't suffer the same fate. There is something very wrong with the Republican money machine using a counter protester whose son is alive and safe to lead a pro-war propaganda campaign! Cindy is the genuine artical! She deserves all our support against the lies and greed that disasterously led the US to war and occupation with no end in sight, much harm done, and nothing gained!

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War In Iraq
Posted by: allforone on Aug 22, 2005 1:39 PM   
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This is to Christians, What do Christian Republicans think about Jesus Christ voluntarly dying for their sins? What do Christian Republicans think about our troops voluntarly dying in Iraq, but do they know why? Do any Christians believe that our troops are dying in Iraq for Bush's Legancy? Will all who support the War in Iraq be responsible for all those deaths on that Final Lords Day?

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The Cindy Sheehan song
Posted by: Obrigato on Aug 25, 2005 3:44 AM   
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I just heard the most powerful song about Cindy Here This is an inspired piece of songwriting and sung with articulation and feeling. I am playing it over and over. Who is this Les Visible? His site has one beautiful song after another. It seems I should have heard of him before. Does anyone know who he is? Cindy should hear this song. The whole world should hear this song. Oh, does it nail Bush. Thank you for this!

Conrad

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