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War on Iraq

'He Did Not Die For Your Freedom'

By Missy Comley Beattie, AlterNet. Posted August 17, 2005.


He loved his family, his country, his classmates, and his life, 'but we don't believe he loved his mission in Iraq.'
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Chase Johnson Comley
1983--2005

He is number 1,828, 1,829, or 1,830. We don't know for sure, because so many died that week. Our marine, Chase Johnson Comley, was killed when his vehicle was hit head-on by a suicide bomber. His death admits us to a club no one wants to join, a membership of grieving, questioning families who have heard the dreaded ring of the doorbell, a sound that reverberates in their worst imaginings and in their nightmares, and a messenger's words, "We regretfully inform you that your son..." You instantly realize that nothing you've thought, done, or felt has prepared you for this reality. The feeling is so much worse than a broken heart. It is an evisceration.

As I write this, Chase is being flown to Dover. His 6'4" body is in a coffin draped with the American flag. He loved his family, his country, his Sayre classmates, and his life, but we don't believe he loved his mission in Iraq. When recruited, he told us he'd be deployed to Japan. He called every week when he wasn't in the field to tell us he was counting the days until his return. He tried to sound upbeat, probably for our benefit, but his father, my brother, could detect in Chase's voice more than a hint of futility, and will never say "my son died doing what he loved."

For those of you who still trust this administration (your percentage diminishes every day), let me tell you that Chase Johnson Comley did not die to preserve your freedoms. He was not presented flowers by grateful Iraqis welcoming him as their liberator. My nephew died, fighting a senseless war for oil and for contracts, insuring the increased wealth of Bush and his administration's friends. He died long after George Bush, in his testosterone-charged, theatrical, soldier-for-a-day role, announced on an aircraft carrier beneath the banner, Mission Accomplished, that "major combat was over." He died in a country erupting into civil war and turned into a hellhole by George Bush, a place where democracy has no chance of prevailing, a country which will, instead, most likely be a theocracy, much like Saudi Arabia.

Have we won the "hearts and the minds" of the Iraqi people? Apparently not. Have we spent more than half a trillion dollars -- an amount that continues to rise -- on a war that King Abdullah advised Bush against because it would disrupt the entire Middle East? Apparently so.

Consider what this money could have done for healthcare, our children's education, or for a true humanitarian intervention in Sudan. And then think about the inauguration of George Bush. Picture the lavish parties, the couture gown worn by Laura, and imagine the cost of the security for this event. And then think about Rumsfeld when he visits our troops. Picture his heavily armored vehicle, the same kind that transports Saddam Hussein to and from court -- those machines that are impregnable to almost anything the insurgents toss in their paths, while our troops are not provided sufficient armor to survive an improvised explosive device.

Think of the mismanagement of this entire war effort. Think of Vietnam. Consider what we've lost. Too much. Think of what we've gained. Nothing. And think of someone who says, "We will not cut and run," but who cut and ran years ago when he was called. Think about a man who speaks about a "culture of life" when the words fit some wedge issue like abortion or the right to die when medical effort has failed. And then think about this war, Bush's not-so-intelligently-designed culture of death.

Think, too, about naming a campaign "Shock and Awe" as if it's a movie and, therefore, unreal. And then think that this, perhaps, is one of the problems. For many Americans, the war is an abstraction. But it is not an abstraction for the innocent Iraqis whose lives have been devastated by our "smart bombs." And it certainly is not an abstraction for those of us who have heard the words that have changed our lives forever.

So please, think of my family's grief, a grief that will never end. Think of all the families. Think of the wounded, the maimed, and psychologically scarred. And, then, consider this: The preservation of our freedom rests not on American imperialism. It depends on actively changing foreign policies that are conquest oriented, policies that dehumanize, not only our own young who become fodder for endless war but also those in other countries who are so distant that they become abstract. The answer definitely is not Bush's mantra, "They're jealous of our freedoms."

And, finally, think about the promises of those flowers. It's one of the many lies. Like the weapons of mass destruction. Or that we'd be welcomed as liberators. The flowers for Chase Johnson Comley will be presented not by grateful Iraqis but by those honoring him as he's lowered to his grave and buried in our hearts.

Digg!

Missy Comley Beattie of New York is the aunt of Marine Lance Cpl. Chase J. Comley of Lexington who was recently killed in Iraq.

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How many more?
Posted by: thealguy on Aug 17, 2005 3:10 AM   
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how many more will there be? How do you see this ending? What will this part of the world be like for the next 20 years? People do not want their children to have died in vain ... But what will they feel if Iraq ends up being another Iran? And it looks like the only way we can stop that now is to keep some very large very fortified bases there for a very long time and control the Iraqi government.... We did that once before .. in Iran ... and look how that turned out ...

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» RE: How many more? Posted by: monkeywrench
THERE'S NOTHING NEW HERE
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 17, 2005 3:45 AM   
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Unfortunately, there is nothing new here. Of course this young man died for nothing. Of course his death means nothing to the cowards who sent him away to die. Of course the mission was a lie. Of course the waste of lives and dollars is a colossal blunder. Of course they hate us in Iraq. Of course the leadership has been incompetent as well as dishonest. We knew that two years ago.

There's a good chance that this author and other people like her will begin to coalesce around the growing groundswell of anti-war and anti-administration sentiment initiated by Cindy Sheehan. Missy may very well be in Crawford or some similar venue soon along with others who have recently lost loved ones to this war. Look for the administration to ignore her. Look for O'Reilly or some other serpent to call her a coward and a traitor any day now. There's nothing new here.

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Heartbreaking
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 17, 2005 4:31 AM   
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By re-electing George W. Bush in 2004, the people (We The People, folks) in effect, committed electoral suicide. George W. Bush has to be removed from office as soon as possible but it's not going to happen as long as the GOP retains control of our government. It's up to the democrats to stop running away from their traditional role as champions of the poor and the middle class and to fight to take back the house and senate in 2006 and the White House in 2008.

I can't believe we've sunk this low. I just can't fucking believe it.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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The 'right' calling us "RADICALS"
Posted by: fedupamerican on Aug 17, 2005 5:09 AM   
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I'm with Cindy, Missy, and all the others who have lost loved ones in this ridiculous lie of a war.
Missy's story speaks volumes and is a powerful testament to what is going on... her words are the undercurrents which are rising to the top...at last. Those undercurrents are called TRUTH. This is a chance to stand up for what is really right. This is a chance to begin change...ideally, many changes in this country which is also OURS! It is time for change, and time that this momentum continues.

Hannity called people supporting Cindy and groups like Code Pink aligning themselves with Cindy, "RADICALS." He called people that say the president is a liar, "RADICALS."

Well, if Cindy and Missy and all the others supporting them are radicals...then so be it. Count me in. I'll gladly sign a petition to stop the madness of the current adminitration.

I'm with Tom Degan... and ditto his last remark!!
He signed his name and location because he is proud of his stand.

Radical in Oxford, MS
Gara Gillentine

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» RE: The 'right' calling us "RADICALS" Posted by: fedupamerican
What Does It Take?
Posted by: Sandra on Aug 17, 2005 6:05 AM   
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What does it take for Americans to rise up and throw these dangerous fools out of office? What does it take for Americans to demand that their government and their resources be used to better peoples lives rather than destroy them? What does it take for Americans to say enough is enough? There has never been an administration like this one. There is enough evidence to impeach this president and to kick the incumbents in Congress out of office. What does it take for Americans to come together and take back our country?

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funnyfarm
Posted by: funnyfarm12 on Aug 17, 2005 6:36 AM   
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When I marched in Washington back in 03, before the 'shock and awe', before we got to watch the leader of the 'free world' dress up like a ten year old and play 'air force pilot', I carried a big sign that said simply, 'YOU CAN"T HAVE MY KIDS"

I just want to say that I am so very sorry that they have taken so many others' kids.

I cannot know your grief. I hope I never do.

I don't understand how any mother, any father, can not stand in solidarity with Cindy.

Karin
Excello, MO

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» RE: funnyfarm Posted by: Spruance
join a vigil near you tonight
Posted by: ggmurray on Aug 17, 2005 6:42 AM   
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Tonight, Wednesday August 17, at 7:30 pm all over America there are vigils for Cindy Sheehan and all those like her who lost family members and loved ones in this war. Look it up on the web. I'll be there too.

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Time To March Again
Posted by: dandelionburke on Aug 17, 2005 6:47 AM   
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It is just a reminder that we all need to get up off our comfortable couch and get to Washington DC on Sept.24th. Time to stop talking and start moving.
See you there!!

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

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BOSTON TEA PARTY ANYONE?
Posted by: thereoncewasAmerica on Aug 17, 2005 8:54 AM   
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Historically, this nation was berthed not by the populace but by the minority who would not tolerate the oppression by the British. Let's not forget that within our very colonial borders we had "Americans", much like that of the "Karl Rove" persuasion, who threw all of their support to King George until they realized that the minority's voice morphed into a ground swell which then became a revolution which could not be stopped. BUSH HAS TAKEN BLOOD FROM OUR CITIZENRY...YOU AND ME...LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES MUST UNITE AGAINST THIS BASTARD TO THE POINT BEYOND THAT OF BLOOD OR ELSE WE HAVE LOST OUR REPUBLIC!!

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Helpless
Posted by: Curlew on Aug 17, 2005 9:40 AM   
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I feel so utterly helpless when I read stories like this. I feel rage and anger and bitterness at a mindless oaf who lives down the subway line from me in a big White House. An oaf who has no clue what this lady is feeling or what Cindy Sheehan is feeling or what anyone is feeling. He needs a heart and a soul before he can feel.

I am a veteran of the Anti-Vietnam war days. We worked long and hard and brought that foolish loss of human life to an end. The anti-war movement then started like it is now. A few brave souls standing up and being bashed but they didn't give up. Eventually we won. Eventually we will win again. I am agnostic so I dont pray, but I hope beyond hope that we can win before one more aunt has to write a heartfelt piece like this about her fallen nephew.

God damn you George Bush.

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» RE: Helpless Posted by: cyclone
War
Posted by: Erin on Aug 17, 2005 9:41 AM   
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"How many deaths will it take till he knows
that too many people have died.
The answer, my friends, is blowing in the wind.
the answer is blowing in the wind"
Are you listening George Bush?

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Dont you realize who Bush is?
Posted by: errandchild on Aug 17, 2005 10:09 AM   
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Come on people! I've seen the compassionate banter so many times it's not worth reading anymore. I do feel for these mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and the list goes on. I do think it's safe to say that for every solder who dies, there are at least five people who suffer because of it. But that is a different subject.

Bush has shown himself to be the hateful, uncompassionate, ignorant fool he always never hid. People, didn't you see his stupidity when he ran in 2000? Didn't you care that he was a moron? Is a good smile and a good head of hair all that matters to you in a president? I blame our culture of "beauty" for this. All we care about is someone who looks like they could be our friend and talks like it too and they'll win every time. Like P.T. Barnum said, "Everyone want's to be fooled." We've turned into a country of suckers who lick this "good ‘ol boy" bullshit up like it was jelly.

My point is that our country was conned and cheated TWICE! Has Bush ever shown compassion? Has he ever shown a side other than "What are we gonna do today?" Has he ever shown himself to be nothing more than his simpleton image? So many people look past the fact that he is a member of America's ruling class, you know, the born rich. I know these types. They honestly believe that they are "highborn" and therefore better than the average person. Not all of them do, just a majority, but that is enough to achieve their sick selfish agenda of greed. It's so ironic that those with so much money tend to want more like it's cocaine. Bush is no different. That is why I'm not surprised that he will never talk with Sheehan or any other grieving American unless it will somehow make him look good. He's a heartless asshole and I say he should be gone, and the sooner the better.

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» RE: Dont you realize who Bush is? Posted by: monkeywrench
FutureOutlook
Posted by: betterfuture on Aug 17, 2005 10:44 AM   
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Beware of McCain the Warhawk and Frist the almighty Rightie
perhaps we will long for the days of Bush. I am frightened.

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» What I don't like about McCain ... Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com
We need to keep talking and telling our stories
Posted by: packofwolves on Aug 17, 2005 10:53 AM   
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Although this is the same sad story for so many young men and women because of this illegal and unnecessary war in Iraq, we need to keep telling these true stories rather than listening to the propaganda presented by the Bushies. We, as a society, need to get the message out that we will take it no more. Pointing out the lavish lifestyle that Bush and his cronies are killing our young for should be a wake-up call for those who still support Bush and this awful, terrible, horrendous, disaster of a war.

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Bring Them on! Again
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 17, 2005 10:54 AM   
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This old crown colony is still providing Cattle, Corn and Cannon fooder for the murdering rich.

Why do we have such a hard time dealing with the murdering rich? Part of it is because they are so murderous.

Recently Andy Stephenson was traveling around the country explaining how the new voting machines are set up to defraud us. Andy has recently gone to eternity at the age of 42. He was operated on for pancreatic cancer. The trick folks is in the asbestos that his cook put into his food.

This is the major reason why the murdering rich feel that they must control the human race, and if they cannot control us, then they must destroy us.

Hence the reason why they keep telling us that flying saucers are marsh gas.

ET has taken their hand off of the trigger, that they have repeatedly pulled to kill us all with nuclear weapons.

If you break it all down, our political leaders are in reality a group of common murderers.

If we can prevent the planned nuclear immolation of ourselves, we will then have a clear view of what sort of man has ruled in this the land of murder.

There are hundreds of nuclear war shelters in this land; have the murdering rich ever invited you into one?

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Fragile hope
Posted by: JoeEbola on Aug 17, 2005 3:01 PM   
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Like many of you previous posters, I am generally disgusted and disillusioned with my country and its government, and am sick and tired of feeling so helpless. And then I come here, and see that there are still rational, caring individuals out there, and it reminds of what America is supposed to be. I know there's a hell of a lot of work to be done, and I know it won't be easy, and who knows, it may take an actual revolution... but at least I know I'm not alone. I wanted to thank you posters at AlterNet for that.

A. Watts
Huntington Beach, CA

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It's y'all's fault not the President
Posted by: nietgal on Aug 17, 2005 4:11 PM   
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There is no excuse for the parents of our military not to be proficient in history. For beginners, "In God We Trust" was not in the Constitution. In fact, it may be unConstitutional in our Currency.
Read the facts from the Treasury Department and see if I'm right or wrong. Frankly, I don't think G.W. et al worried about God at all. I think they wanted to say "In Man We Trust". That's the way I read the historical data. Start using American historical documents and teach the Supreme Court and the whole Legal profession how to do it right. In the name of your dead kids. It's easy.

I may be nuts and reading it all wrong. But it seems to me that a single minister and Chase decided all by themselves to put "In God We Trust" in the currency. No one has said a word since. Not a single parent of the military. I don't get it.

http://www.treas.gov/
education/fact-sheets/
currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

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We don't have that much time
Posted by: cyclone on Aug 17, 2005 4:39 PM   
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Tom, while I agree, we cannot wait until the '06 elections, it will all be over before then. And '08? Forget about it. We will have a war on the streets of America before then, I'm afraid. And it won't involve another country. We will be occupying ourselves. We have to do something now. The balloon is about to pop.

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Out hearts ache for you and yours
Posted by: Lindie on Aug 18, 2005 8:08 AM   
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I know there are no words of comfort that can begin ease Ms. Beattie's pain. None should be spoken which can blunt her anger. I am also angry over this waste of our future, and the wanton destruction of Iraq that it driving it to civil war and towards reactionary theocracy. This 'war for oil and defense contracts' is a farce, a travesty, and a license for wholesale murder of American young and Iraqi civilians. Her nephew's story illustrates poignantly the terrible cost of serving one's country that falls on everyone but those profiting from this mess.

Peace

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DO WE LIVE IN THE SAME COUNTRY?
Posted by: ripley35 on Aug 18, 2005 10:06 AM   
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Dear Missy Beattie - I came across your article in AlterNet (a website I would not endorse). Nevertheless, I read your heartfelt article, but felt compelled to write you with a counter-comment. The death of your Nephew is tragic. However, I am trouble and concerned that your grief maybe guided by a blinding ideology. If this is the case, you are doing Lance Cpl, Chace Comley a great, great disservice.

I am endlessly perplexed by the posture, comments and views of those who hold a liberal beliefs that assume the worst about America. Politics aside, your Nephew made a voluntary decision to join the U.S. Marines (an organization you should be proud of). When he made this decision he knew the risks and understood his obligations as a Marine and a US soldier in general.

Accepting your grief as one explanation for your anti-American comments, doesn’t honor these precious individuals and soldiers. How can you ignore your Nephews choice to serve his country as a Marine? How do you advance any cause by espousing a political view knowing your Nephew was living in honor and fulfilled his commitment. It breaks my heart to see his clarity of choice and commitment to his fellow citizens, denigrated by those labeling his duty as anything less than honorable.

Can't you see that your comments take away from your Nephews valor and strength of character? Would Lance Cpl. Chase Comley approve of your comments in time of war or at any other time?

Your article insinuates that President Bush or supportive Americans are somehow blind to the plight of the Iraqis or insensitive to human plight. Your Nephew is an American Soldier, who served and unfortunately died, doing what his country asked. My God, America was attached by Muslims who want to force their beliefs and way of life on me and my family. If repulsing these violent mandates is anything less than noble, I can only suggest you consider finding another country that better reflects yours beliefs and move there. Disagreeing with our governments choices is one thing, using your Nephews death as a way to spew political hatred is repulsive and ultimately comes as a great disservice to any "voluntary" patriot, like Lance Cpl. Chase Johnson Comley. May God bless his soul. I personally thank him for his valiant choice and ultimate commitment.

DR Ripley - ripley35@bis.midco.net

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BUSHelzebubba WAR-pharisees
Posted by: artist general on Aug 18, 2005 2:24 PM   
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Re: THE MOST CHICKENHAWKED WAR IN U.S. HISTORY / WITH THE SABER-RATTLING WHET-DREAM OF IRAN NEXT



COUP CLUX CLAN
(apologies to T.S. Elliot / The Hollow Men)

We are the Chickenhawks,
We are the NeoCons, Armchair-deployed,
Mindset filled with Ain't-Broke WarFix, alas!
Our feather-
pillowed Imperial Urges (macho-hissy-fitted, bawking-together)
are morally Void as wind in dry grass
(or CakeWalk-prints in blood-Stained Glass...)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
May 1, 2003 in Eridani, Politics

PNAC [GALLERY--Art of War--Imperial Self-Portraits / Original Finger-Paintings]
John Pilger's definitive analysis of the very dangerous crackpots currently running America

One of George W Bush's "thinkers" is Richard Perle. I interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and when he spoke about "total war", I mistakenly dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again in describing America's "war on terror". "No stages," he said. "This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to go about it.

If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war...our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759

How's this for starters, Mr. Perle~ (to the tune of The Beverley Hillbillys)
...UP FROM THE GROUND COME

BUSHELZEBUBBA CRUDE...

Trea$on, that is...

BlackOps FoolsGold...Nine-Elevenators,

Freed Marketeers,

Master Switchors & Martial Baitors,

War-Machine Grease-Monkeys

Inc$ider Traitors,

Texas t...

Steeped in Secrecy to DIE-&-Kill for--

Take-no-Prisoner, Keep-No-Promise

Leaves echoin' Entrails:

WAR & MORE War, far as the Aye can $ee...

...Read 'em & Weep...


LIEJACKED NATION,
BUSHELZEBUBBLED FAITH

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Disgraceful
Posted by: treadwell on Aug 18, 2005 3:20 PM   
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It is truly a disgrace when a young soldier dies needlessly, it's even made worse by the reason for that soldier to be on foreign soil in the first place is based on a total lie. Yet, we continue to loose our most valued resource - our children. It is a disgrace when a Commander-In-Chief can ride past a grieving mother and not at least stop and say "Your son's death will not be in vain..." Just DISGRACEFUL!!!

signed,
ANOTHER RADICAL and VETERAN OF GULF WAR I

Lloyd T. Thomas

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Bushwhacked Nation
Posted by: treadwell on Aug 18, 2005 3:34 PM   
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We have become and are a BUSHWHACKED nation. Thanks to 52% (as we're told) of our countrymen, we now have one of the biggest crack-pots ever to run a country (not just this one - any). How'd he do it you ask - simple, he appealed to our emotions, not our minds. He told us basically that Gays would marry and ruin our nation, he said that WMDs would shower down on us - if we did not act and re-elect him. he made "God" his "friend" and he called his stance that of the "Right". Simply stated he Bushwhacked us, except the few "RADICALS" that made up the other 48% of our clear-thinking-leave-God & Gays out of this - Fellow Americans. Radical today - Radical tomorrow!!!

LT Thomas

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» RE: Bushwhacked Nation Posted by: royrogers
go to: www.fromthewilderness.com
Posted by: thereoncewasAmerica on Aug 19, 2005 6:59 PM   
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www.fromthewilderness.com has many interesting pieces of research material to really get the "gerbils on the treadmill" moving.

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Bring Down the Media, they don't speak for us
Posted by: mortarthegovernment on Aug 20, 2005 5:54 PM   
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As sad as it is many Americans get their "news" from the television. The average American is too busy to research and find out the truth, and who can blame them when they're working hard to pay off debts created by a system that benefits the rich. My mother has had to work multiple jobs for years. Halliburton and Karl Rove mean nothing to her and I'm sure they mean nothing to millions of Americans. The ignorant patriots probably don't know either. Before I start to ramble I'll get the to the point. The reason people are ignorant is because they are lied to. I'm a pissed off 21 year old and can't believe what I see on the T.V so I seek out the truth and find sites like this. Sadly, it's taken thousands of deaths for some people to see what's really going on. How many more before this stops? I hope this didn't suck, it being my first post and all.

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» It's all Dog meat Posted by: thereoncewasAmerica
It Looks That The World Is Still In Dark Age.
Posted by: hussainmehdi on Aug 22, 2005 7:35 PM   
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Why? because, 1- greediness has always been a part of some humen being sine the ages, of course a negative approach, but today we are experiancing these things from highly educated and powerful personalities not as that but got even institutionalized, so no fear if greediness exposed. 2- in the old ages there has been a saying "if i am strong and you are week then i am always right" so do you think there is a difference in ages whether past or present? 3- an other saying of past "come and be like us and get any thing you want, no way to stand on the other side" arn't we experiancing the same past? so what is the question of past and present age? i repeat. 4- an other saying "divide and rule" why don't they divide their own wealth and rule? perhaps dividing a whole nation is more than easy then parting a penny. and 5- an other saying " i love my country but i will not let you do the same to your country" so what do you think proudly?

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THAT "FREEDOM" MESS
Posted by: RayP on Aug 22, 2005 11:34 PM   
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I have heard it over and over, we are fighing in Iraq "for our freedom". When there are people protesting the war, the warmongers are quick to say, "well, that is what we are fighting for - for you to be able to protest."

But ask yourself a question - is this REALLY true ?

The fact is, OUR freedom only has to do with what goes on within the country we live in, not some other country. It has to do with the laws of our country, the constitution, and the government in which we have. It does NOT have to do with removing a government from another country, just because it MAY could POSSIBLY be a threat at some time later on.

In fact, all other countries have the potential to be a threat at sometime in years from now. There could even be a change of government in Canada or Mexico in which the new leaders could wish to invade the US. Future generations in China's government could decide to attack the US. In reality, there is the potential everywhere, but the risk factors vary.

These are things we cannot foretell or control. We should deal with them when the time comes. I know people like to mention the example of Hitler, and the fact something should have been done sooner with him. But the evidence that Hitler was getting out of control came as early as the mid 1930's. There was also his book Mein Kampf that he wrote in prison. In that book, he spelled out his entire plan to expand the German empire across Europe. We already knew by 1935 that Hitler should have been dealt with. But would it have been any more beneficial to have bombed Germany in 1933 rather than in 1935? Not really, things were not out of control.

It seems if you tell people something over and over enough, they will eventually believe it. The fighting a war "for freedom" was probably left over from the days of the American Revolution, and has been used ever since to justify a war. The Revolution was the last time that a war for freedom of Americans was really fought. The only time that a foreign country attacked the US was in December 1941, when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. And there is even some evidence pointing to that actually being provoked in order for the US to be able to aid Britian.

Don't believe these lies about the "freedom crap". This is only to get people wound up emotionally, and to gain support of a war, or a warlike operation.

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