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War on Iraq

Born on the Fourth of July: The Long Journey Home

By Ron Kovic, AlterNet. Posted June 13, 2005.


The author shares the inspiration behind his classic antiwar memoir: 'I wanted people to know what it really meant to be in a war--to be shot and wounded, to be fighting for my life on the intensive care ward--not the myth we had grown up believing.'
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Editor's Note: Ron Kovic served two tours of duty during the Vietnam War. He was paralyzed from the chest down in combat in 1968 and has been in a wheelchair ever since. Along with Oliver Stone, Kovic was the co-screenwriter of the 1989 Academy Award-winning film based on his book, Born on the Fourth of July (Akashic Books). The following is the introduction to the new edition of the book.

It was exactly forty years ago this past September that I left my house in Massapequa, New York to join the United States Marine Corps and begin an extraordinary journey that was to lead me into a disastrous war which would change my life, and others of my generation, profoundly and forever. There are times in the lives of both individuals and nations when we cross certain thresholds where there is no going back, no return to the innocence we once knew; the change is utter and irreconcilable. We often sense these moments. I know I did that day.

I can still remember leaving my house that morning, saying goodbye to my mother, my father driving me down to the Long Island Railroad station with only a few words being said between us--Dad was always that way--and then that long and contemplative ride into the city, being sworn in at Whitehall Street, holding my right hand up proudly with all the other young men, taking the oath of enlistment, and swearing our allegiance to the Constitution of the United States.

The fall of 1964, September 2, a lifetime ago. That last bright and beautiful morning when everything was to change forever, that last moment of lighthearted innocence and youth, of Massapequa and the backyard before the shock, the chaos, and the deluge. I had just turned eighteen that summer, and there are some old black-and-white photographs of me from those days. It's amazing that I still have them, considering I have misplaced them many times over the years, thinking them lost forever, only to later find them in some unexpected place, like a deeply disturbing dream that I have been trying to repress.

I remember seeing those photos on several occasions after I came home from Vietnam and each time having terrible nightmares that shook me badly. I couldn't look at them, could not face that young man I had been before the war and my injury. I would always promise myself to never look at them again. My trauma was still very deep, and that beautiful boy, that body, had been destroyed, defiled, and savaged. My wounding in Vietnam both physically and emotionally haunted me, pursued me, and threatened to overwhelm me.

I wrote Born on the Fourth of July in the fall of 1974 in one month, three weeks, and two days, on a $42 manual typewriter I had bought at Sears & Roebuck in Santa Monica, California. It was like an explosion, a dam bursting, everything flowed beautifully, just kept pouring out, almost effortlessly, passionately, desperately. I worked with an intensity and fury as if it was my last will and testament, and in many ways I felt it was. I continued to suffer from nightmares, constant anxiety attacks, severe heart palpitations, and a powerful, almost obsessive feeling that I would not live past my thirtieth birthday. I was living each day as if it were my last, as if everything had been compressed together by the war, and now every second counted.

I wrote all night long, seven days a week, single space, no paragraphs, front and back of the pages, pounding the keys so hard the tips of my fingers would hurt. I couldn't stop writing, and I remember feeling more alive than I had ever felt. Convinced that I was destined to die young, I struggled to leave something of meaning behind, to rise above the darkness and despair.

I wanted people to understand. I wanted to share with them as nakedly and openly and intimately as possible what I had gone through, what I had endured. I wanted them to know what it really meant to be in a war--to be shot and wounded, to be fighting for my life on the intensive care ward--not the myth we had grown up believing. I wanted people to know about the hospitals and the enema room, about why I had become opposed to the war, why I had grown more and more committed to peace and nonviolence.

I had been beaten by the police and arrested twelve times for protesting the war, and I had spent many nights in jail in my wheelchair. I had been called a Communist and a traitor, simply for trying to tell the truth about what had happened in that war, but I refused to be intimidated. I loved the night and I would write for hours as if no time had passed at all. I was exhausted and my back ached, but none of that seemed to matter. I felt wonderful inside, tired but completely consumed by my writing.


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Posted by: karyse on Jun 13, 2005 3:33 AM   
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Hey Ron, Beautifully written reminder. I thought the same thing as you did when I first heard that "we" were going to Afghanistan -- oh, oh, another Viet Nam. The surprise came when Afghanistan faded and Iraq appeared. I kept screaming to anyone who would listen, "Iraq? What happened to Afghanistan?" It was like the entire U.S. has gone insane or was suffereing from Alzheimers.

I so like the way you write, I'm going to read your book.

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Thanks Ron
Posted by: Timbo on Jun 13, 2005 4:40 AM   
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Ron, you are a very lucky guy to have found peace after Vietnam. And to have a made of your life movie with Tim Cruse playing you.

Now, with your wisdom of life, maybe you can figure out why it is that so many right-winged warmongers who call themselves Christians, don't seem to have ever wondered what Jesus meant by "Love your enemy."

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Hey, Ron
Posted by: Earthie on Jun 13, 2005 5:36 AM   
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Good to see your name and words again, thanks for surviving and staying involved. And congratulations on finding a beautiful place to live (at least it was when I lived there back in '72). Best pastrami sandwich ever could be had at Village Meats, but I suppose they've faded into history like so many other things we remember from then. Do the seals still bark in the harbor and the hang gliders work the cliffs of Palos Verdes?



I'll think of you this Fourth while marching in the local parade. Our group (coalition for peace and justice) will be carrying 3 large peace doves, the ones Dr. Jane Goodall uses and promotes.

Hang in there, old man.

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We Needed your voice at this time. Thanks!
Posted by: Pepper on Jun 13, 2005 5:48 AM   
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Excellent presentation. Long overdue! I applaud this example of a true "hero" who has exhibited courage and commitment in the face of dire adversity. Thank you for what you have suffered and done to bring this to the light of day.

Did you know that in 1998 Saddam paid Cheney (who was CEO of Halliburton at the time ) and Halliburton $43 million to do oil exploration in Iraq? They discovered the largest non sulfur oil field in the world (the 2nd largest over all oil field in the world).

Once that discovery was made, Cheney quite Halliburton, and with Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Billy Kristol and JEB BUSH formed the new think tank called "The New American Century" and wrote the paper reference in the link above. They also prepared to run for office of President and Vice President for the 2001 term to implement the policy written called PAX AMERICANA. That is why it didn't matter who was President of Iraq, they wanted control of those oil fields and nothing was going to stop them. At the same time, in Afganistan, back in March of 2001, the Bush people along with oil executives met with the head of the Taliban in Texas to discuss paying them to run a pipeline from north of afganistan into the gulf (I think it was the gulf, but to some port around there) The taliban refused and gave the Contract to a South American company and at that point the Bush cabal threatened the Taliban as follows: "you can either have a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs, your choice" Read this:

This was an article from the Pakistani news showing a 3.2 billion dollar pipeline approved through Afganistan that was signed with the US and the oil companies back in 12/28/2002. Please let me know if you wish the link. This forum wouldn't allow it as its too long. I will send it directly if you provide your email address.

That is the background and history of how we came to be where we are today. JUST LIKE IN VIETNAM with the bogus Bay of Tonkin incident that never happened but was used to justify our increased involvement in Viet Nam. P

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Coy0tea
Posted by: Coy0tea on Jun 13, 2005 6:41 AM   
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Dear Ron, Thank you for still being there - and for your latest thoughts on our old American war-mongering ways. I was happy to see the Bot4J movie last month - it was shown on KPAX, a quite fundamental Xtian station here in Denver (apparently not cut except for the 'f' word) So maybe some war loving Christers got a chance to hear your message. .
Thanks again for your bravery (in fighting in Viet Nam - and for your anti-war stance) and blessings on you for your continued excellent citizenship. Sincerely, Coy0tea

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Soul Brothers
Posted by: Stonecutter on Jun 13, 2005 7:17 AM   
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Dear Ron,
I enlisted in the Air Force in Nov, '66 in Flushing, Queens, where I grew up. I was spared combat in Nam, let alone the life-altering injuries you endured, so I respond to you not as someone who shared your excruciating experience, but as a contemporary and a vet who feels similar anger and frustration over the current insanity in Iraq. My whole family marched in that Feb, 2003 demonstration in NYC, and then sat by while Bush&Co. went ahead with this travesty.

My two teenage sons are my legacy to this world, and the idea that they could be sucked into the vacuum of a trumped up war is an idea I can't wrap my mind around. I feel focused anger and frustration at the apparent impotence of protest, no matter how organized, because the media, unlike the Viet Nam era, has shut down all but perfunctory reporting of demonstrations, or for that matter, reporting on any substantial anti-war dissent.

The networks have replaced daily visual reporting from the battlefields of Nam with canned "interviews" of pro-war Generals or administration butt-boys like Ken Mehlman or Rumsfeld. The same "moderate" talking heads appear in a loop on the same shows, singing the same subtle but clear song about the need to stay the course in Iraq, "what choice do we have?", etc. Few dissenting voices get anywhere near a mainstream show, and those that do are often treated like a hostile witness at a trial.

Even Howard Dean, in his role as DNC chair, has reversed his celebrated anti-war stance in favor of a sickening capitulation to the right-wing mantra that we have no choice but to remain there and slog it out, no matter the cost in dollars or lives...shades of Nam, as the body bags just keep filling up.

The re-issue of your book, and perhaps the resurgence of the film made from it, might have a mitigating influence on the debate, but I believe it's only if major progressive voices stand up and demand a timetable for withdrawal--an exit strategy that was tragically absent during Nam until the movement forced Nixon's hand at the end--and/or when the great American middle class has it's own "skin in the game", through the imposition of a draft, that we will see a significant change in the policies of these chickenhawks (I can't call them "leaders" because they have not led, and they don't speak for me or mine). Good luck and stay loose....you sound great....

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Your sacred contract
Posted by: seekerin9 on Jun 13, 2005 7:33 AM   
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Ron,

Thank you so much for your courage and unflagging vision. Yours is a sacred contract with your country and the world, a blessed journey and a hard road from the depths of pain and despair to hard-won enlightenment. I'm humbled by your compassion and the depths of your capacity to forgive. You are a blessing to us all. Heaven gave you a Herculean task and you have met it and continue to answer the call of the messenger and visionary. Thank you for all you do. Our country desperately needs courageous voices like yours. I will most certainly buy this new version of your book.

Courage and healing to you always,
Seekerin9

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The truth hurts . . .
Posted by: OldRedleg on Jun 13, 2005 7:44 AM   
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Dear Ron,

I never read your book and I refused to see the movie made about it when it was first released. Perhaps (or most likely) I was afraid that I would see the truth and wisdom in your words and experiences. That would have been painfully difficult for a person raised as an Army brat and who has spent his entire adult life connected to a profession of "minor" mass destruction. Fate, God, or whomever spared me the ugly experience of Vietnam and instead sent me to Germany where I could prepare to deal with the "real" enemy of Russian hordes invading.

It took a whole lot of real adult maturity on my part, this despicable and vileful administration, and the realization that most of the crap issued and published by the so-called liberal media about the need for war was just that, to make me resist the Iraqi war from before the beginning. Your words above are just so much more inspiration to continue to do so. I will at least attempt to read your book, and perhaps to also see the movie.

Thank You!
This OldRedleg

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Howdy Hi Comrade....
Posted by: michaelo on Jun 13, 2005 8:54 AM   
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It has been over thirty years since you and I marched in SF to end that war. Over 20 since we blocked Reagan and his cabal of Chicken Hawks from stripping away Vets benefits, research into Agent Orange and PTSD during the Combat Vet's Hunger Strike.

Its been over 30 years since my comrades and I helped stop the attempt by Nixon (Liddy - Buchanan - Segretti, et al --- SEE the book by Avon Press: THE GLASS HOUSE TAPES as a tutorial for today,) to drag us into a police state.

We have survived and still we stand up to be counted for a Democratic America. Today we face a more galvanized, racist, militarist government infused by the superstition of "the one true God" of Christianity as its moral engine and the code of greed fashioned by the Corporate State.

At Hitler's legions had inscribed on their belt buckles "God is on our side" so these protofascists march to the tune of "Onward Christian Soldiers." As Mercedes and Farbin and Bush banking fueled the economic engines of Nazism, so do the corporations of America fuel Bush and Cheney.

You are one of my modern heroes, along with Malcolm, George Jackson and Martin. I have long known of your special pain and suffering. You have my empathy and I applaud you for not succumbing to the death of inactivity and moral stupor.

If not us who have been to our own special places in Hell and back, who?

I raise my fist to you my friend and send my love.

Up The Rebels.

Michael O'McCarthy

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rockpicker
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 13, 2005 9:56 AM   
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In reference to the excellent background info provided by Pepper concerning our involvement in Iraq, there is also an Enron connection to this story. The pipeline referred to was to cross Afghanistan to a port on the Pakistani coast. As I recall, its product was liquified natural gas, coming from one of the Stans up north, and slated for use by a plant Enron was building on the west coast of India. This was the summer of 2001. Since, Enron has self-destructed. I believe the pipeline is currently under construction, or has recently been completed and is on-line. Never heard what happened to the plant in India.

Another interesting side-story that I've only seen mentioned in the American Free Press, and corroborated no where else has to do with seismic data collected by Columbia University the morning of 9/11. According to the AFP, seismograph evidence clearly indicates sharp, anomalous spikes of 2.3 and 2.1 on the Richter long after each building was hit by aircraft and immediately prior to the collapse of each structure. I saved the article. Anybody got something to add to this one?

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rockpicker
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 13, 2005 10:07 AM   
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Magnetic Ribbons and the Yellow Cake of Faith

When we start from deluded sleep
at last, and know the dream
for dream, embraced en masse...
When bells that rang victorious
hang mute, their tarnished claims
ignored in disrepute,
and bitter sons, having been all
they could be, can't wish back the hand
or the leg below the knee...

(The brash regime trims reason
from its ranks, its black guard
in the street, protecting flanks.)

Then will we heed the schemers'
gloating leer? "There's no future
for any of you here."
So row on row, with hand
in trembling hand, it's come to this:
we dreamers better stand.

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comadre
Posted by: comadre on Jun 13, 2005 10:32 AM   
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Dear Ron, Thank you for ALL that you have so beautifully written. This column is so very poignant.
My husband, career USAF, who served in Vietnam died suddenly of a heart attack at age 63 this year. He was in medical services in Vietnam, far from the front lines, but helped operate on the other young men who suffered there. He came back a changed person, and would never talk about any of his experiences. But he marched with me against the war in Iraq, carrying the sign he made, "Vietnam Vet against the War- Support our troops-keep them home".

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Thank you
Posted by: gpurnhagen on Jun 13, 2005 10:50 AM   
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Ron,

Thank you for sharing your truth. Its good to see you, as a symbol of our youth, find some peace and realize God's blessings. Thank you for the effort to keep speaking out, especially when we seem to have lost our voice in this crazy time of ours.
May God continue to bless you and ease your physical pain.
Gary

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A voice of reason: thank you, Ron Kovic
Posted by: Lathor on Jun 13, 2005 11:13 AM   
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You are so correct. WE MUST CHANGE COURSE.

No wonder our soldiers return psychologically damaged...we are raised to believe in peaceful resolution of conflict. then our government ramrods us into immoral wars. Imagine if you took that approach in your daily life--someone slights you, or cuts you off in traffic, gets the promotion you wanted, has a car you covet--so you blow him away! You'd be arrested and charged with murder. But do it in the name of "war" and suddenly it's okay?

Anyone who votes to go to war, or supports going to war, should be prepared to sacrifice in some way. Sign up for a stint in the armed forces, send your children to fight, pay higher taxes, buy less gas, do without luxuries, SOMETHING other than slapping a ribbon sticker on the back of your gas-guzzler and considering that you have done your part to "support the troops." It absolutely sickens me that our government finds it so easy to declare war (a war based on lies!). How many of the people who made this decision are prepared to send their sons or daughters to Iraq, or sacrifice in any way? "Freedom Isn't Free"? What are YOU paying, President Bush?

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Posted by: pjrsullivan on Jun 13, 2005 11:25 AM   
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Erin
Posted by: Erin on Jun 13, 2005 11:46 AM   
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Thank you,Ron, for all you've given and continue to give.

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Thank you
Posted by: Boronia on Jun 13, 2005 1:34 PM   
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"What man is, he ultimately becomes through the cause which he has made his own."
Viktor E. Frankl

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Time for a change
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 13, 2005 2:04 PM   
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I've had to make some changes in my life, but none that compare to Ron Kovic's.

When I took some leadership in the anti-Vietnam war demonstrations, I was more than a bit nervous about facing my uncles and elder brother, all of whom had been in combat.

But good old Uncle Wally said that when he was hunkered down in a foxhole during the WWII "Battle of the Bulge" and listed as MIA, he wished for people back home calling for an end to the killing.

As a nation, we make some of the same mistakes over and over. Vietnam and now Iraq. This time I hope that when this president leaves office, he will take his whole party down with him.

I pray for circumstances to show us that the excessive pride (the Greeks called it 'hubris') of becoming the warlord of the Earth is childish. Grown ups learn how to find win-win solutions. In diplomacy its called the United Nations.

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frankly furious
Posted by: frankly furious on Jun 13, 2005 2:37 PM   
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Thank you, Don.
Your very moving thoughts stirred my memories and agonies over how my country where I no longer live has deteriorated into a neofascist government. I am now 89 years old. I was one of a Quaker group who founded the first santuary in California for awols from the Vietnam war. I come from a family dedicated to the principles of our Constitution and Bill of Rights having been one of the first families to come to Massachusets. In 1975 I read a book called "Friendly Fascism", don't remember the author. He outlined in concrete terms the tragedy which is the United States today. I emigrated to England and have since relocated to Costa Rica to join other unacknowledged Americans who live in Central and South America. Your brave and beautiful writing needs to be rebroadcast far and wide. Thank you again and again for the treasure you have given me.
Frankly Furious

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Bravo Ron
Posted by: Phila on Jun 13, 2005 5:26 PM   
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Like so many others, I applaud your personal journey, your words and your courage in writing them. These words need to be read!

I also want to welcome you home - so many servicemen and women came home from their anguish in Vietnam to a country that turned its back on them. As you know, for many the pain of this rejection continues.

There is a weekend called The Vets' Journey Home, offering veterans the opportunity to share the full depth of their wartime experiences and be heard and understood by a supportive, nonjudgmental circle of veterans and civilians... and then to receive the homecoming of honor that they may not have gotten the first time around. Originally developed specifically for Vietnam vets as "The Bamboo Bridge," it underwent re-visioning after 9/11 and is now open to combat-zone veterans of any war. It is a nonsectarian, nonreligious but deeply spiritual environment for healing the wounds of war.

For more information, see http:// www.gaiahealing.com/ HTML/vets_journey.htm (remove spaces before pasting in your browser)

Bravo and thank you for your work -
Phila

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thanks.
Posted by: punkchaos on Jun 13, 2005 8:09 PM   
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I'd just like to say afew words, I guess, of thanks...
You see, I am of this new generation..the generation of the 9/11 attacks and those that are dieing right now in Iraq/Afganistan both American and middle eastern.
I live in OK so, it is rare indeed to find anyone at all young or old who oppose the current policies of this country.
Many here will tell you that your generations war...or at least the most known Vietnam was wrong and immoral..and they are right. It was..But they will also tell you that this current war is NOT wrong. Many here have stickers on their car bumpers reading "support our troops" and i can't help but just want to write underneith that slogan "Bring them home"
My bestfriend is now being sent to a battle field that he does not want to fight. I do not know what I'd do if he was killed or if he comes back so scared he cannot even look at himself in the mirror.
But I do know this. I'll keep up the good fight on the streets to opposeing war and senseless violence and hatred. Not just for me but for those like my bestfriend who, against their will are being sent to kill in the very name of peace and freedom.
Thanks, to all of you who, way back in the day stood up to the "Establishment" and questioned Authority. thanks for being my heros and showing at least this little college freshman that there is a better way of life out there.

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You've inspired me again,Ron!
Posted by: kww355 on Jun 13, 2005 8:52 PM   
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I was 17 when you returned from Vietnam.While you were lying in a hospital bed,I was being teargassed,arrested and beaten with nightsticks in DC,New York and anywhere else I could hitch a ride to a protest.Hardly what you endured,but I tried to add my voice. Then,I was full of youthful optimism.We CAN stop a war,we CAN bring down a corrupt administration.I had been so depressed since Bush started this war. What could a 54 year old woman do? The same thing I did in 1969!!! Thank you for reminding me to never give up.We CAN stop a war,we CAN bring down a corrupt administration !!! I send you my love and gratitude.

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Thanks, Ron
Posted by: kevns007 on Jun 13, 2005 10:40 PM   
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I extend my compassion and admiration for you, Ron. Your class was the last of the Gung-ho guys. By the time my class graduated high school there'd been too much going on. We started questioning authority. We were all enjoying life and especially didn't want it interrupted because of the designs of a few warmongers and war profiteers who took advantage of good guys like you, and my older 'brothers' Jim Nicholson, Dave Roddick, etc. Of everything going on today, the war in Iraq is the most egregious and deserves the most immediate attention and solution. The disciples (the insanely religious right, et al.) of these warmongers need to listen to guys like you who have "been there," if they're capable. --Kevin

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Wise move, Ron
Posted by: Gloria on Jun 13, 2005 11:53 PM   
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Hey Ron!
I am 26yrs old Tanzanian, who has never heard a gunshot! I count my blessings everyday. A war is not the best solution for our problems. You have got a life to live ahead of you. Dont waste a minute being sad. May you be able to count your blessings, and find true love for the rest of your days.
Thanks for being very wise.
Gloria Nanguji

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Much Praise !
Posted by: comm97 on Jun 14, 2005 3:36 AM   
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As a Viet Nam veteran, I much respect the work you have dedicated your life to. I took up the call for social justice after I returned from the war. The work of raising social consciousness is the most significant work in this day and time. You have that nack. Keep on doing what you are doing.
Michael

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Bravo, Ron!
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Jun 14, 2005 4:22 AM   
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It's great to hear from you again and know you're still going strong. I did see the movie when it first came out -- a friend took me to see it, not knowing that I NEVER watch war movies - or any kind of violent films; somehow, they fail to "entertain" me...

But I watched, sobbing through most of it; I figured that was the least I could do, as a civilian. I had lost my beloved cousin, an Air Force captain, when the plane he was flying was shot down at 400' by 'friendly fire' -- he left behind a devastated wife and three little sons ages 5 and under, and I had come seriously unglued.

The one 'good' thing that came of it was my personal awakening. It took three years of psychotherapy to put me together again, because before his death, I had believed in the lies our government told, believed our cause was just, and blah blah blah...

My entire worldview changed; I became a member of the Peace and Freedom party, marched in San Francisco for peace with my young son beside me, and had the joy of seeing the Nixon Administration go down and the war end.

Later I found your book, read it -- sobbing all the way through -- and wrote a letter to you; I had to tell you how the war and your story had impacted me.

As a consequence, I smelled a rat from Day One with this Administration. I knew what was coming. And I believe passionately that until more and more veterans can find what it takes to tell the truth, those in power will continue getting away with lying to our kids and sucking them into the destructive horror of war.

You're a hero to me because you're one of the first to do it -- and wonderfully well. Eternal thanks.

LJSullivan

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Thank you
Posted by: sterlingwisdom on Jun 14, 2005 5:11 PM   
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Thank you for once again sharing your thoughts and feelings in writing so truthfully and eloquently. I obtained conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War because I was determined not to be used. It bothered me then that I could not prevent what happened to you and others like you and it bothers me that I cannot prevent it now. I fight on, however, as surrender is simply not an option.
Oddly, I can't help noticing that Jingoist, usually so eager to support war, is nowhere to be found here. Interesting.

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Another thank you.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 14, 2005 8:02 PM   
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I appreciate all you've done to try to stop these crazy wars and to enlighten people.

I never read your book. I might someday. I really liked movie. It's a great picture of what ignorance and blind patriotism can do to an otherwise good person.

I hope the best for you.

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Ramifications of war
Posted by: greenMary on Jun 14, 2005 8:19 PM   
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Ron
My husband died in Dec of '99. On his death certificate, the official cause of death was diabetes and heart failure. But actually-a part of his soul had already died when he was just a young man after his experience in Viet Nam and Southeast Asia. His mother said he was not the same when he returned.

I wish he could have known someone like you to talk with in his everyday life. I was not that person. In fact, our beliefs about that war- or what we each perceived the other to believe- kept any meaningful, healing conversation from ever happening.

Part of Mike's pain (he became an alcoholic before he quit for his children and grandchildren) was what is known as "survivor guilt." I believe that he never forgave himself for living while others died or like you -paid dearly. When, in the last years of his life and his body was breaking down due to medications, surgery and other treatments for his service-connected back injury- someone finally decided he might need someone to talk with. Mike found out he had blacked whole periods of time from memory and the professionals decided maybe that was a good thing.

We separated and I experienced my own kind of survivor guilt. After Mike died, our oldest son said he died of a broken heart and blamed me- never knowing how sad, angry, and abusive his father had become. Just like the line in the movie "It's a Wonderful LIfe" - we never know how many lives are touched by one person- or one war.

In thinking about what it might have been that was so terrible as to completely block it from memory- our mind jumps to worst-case scenarios. But what would that be- for a small town country boy whose greatest offense had been getting drunk with friends and peeing on a tank in the city park. The taking of another life or the witnessing of such is all the horror that one would need.

I know Mike is OK now- no bitterness, no fear. And I even got a strong message from him that he had a good life while on earth. I am a hospice social worker and the greatest lesson I have learned from the dying is how to live. Life IS precious and the best way to honor those who have gone before is to live with integrity, compassion, and joy.

Thank you for your very poignant letter. We really all are one - and war is as Pope John Paul II said "the greatest failure of humanity."

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I respect this man...
Posted by: nise52 on Jun 16, 2005 7:36 AM   
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I'm a grandma who was in high school during the Vietnam war. Out of 100's of students, I was the only one who protested AGAINST the insanity of this useless war. I too, was branded a Communist and an anti-American. I still protest...only this time against the Iraq war and the current administration's quest for world domination. Please folks...wake up and smell the coffee! Dark things are going on behind the scenes. Contact your congressmen and shout from the roof tops! It's not un-American to protest the senseless killing of our troops and innocent civilians in Iraq.

Support our troops by bringing them home NOW!

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Thank you
Posted by: johnsotdj on Jun 16, 2005 7:51 AM   
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Ron:

I think the first time I saw you on TV was in '72 or '73. I was stationed at Marine Air Station El Toro (a wing wiper) and we were watching "Talk Back to the News" with George Putnam, and I believe it was you, saying "stop the genocide." Putnam said something like "I'm not going to allow you use that wheelchair to defile our flag. Is there a plane to Hanoi tonight? I'll buy the ticket." A few of the guys in the barracks were nodding in agreement, and I said "Don't you get it? This is Our Guy, a Marine who's been to Vietnam!" By that time, there were a lot of us that felt free to speak out against the war. Thank you for what you've done and continue to to for Peace.

Respectfully,

Tom Johnson

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thanks ron.
Posted by: teq on Jun 16, 2005 6:55 PM   
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i have been awakened.
i want to acknowledge the leadership you have displayed in standing for what is possible for the 'world'.
i stand beside you for the first time i will not take a step back in the quest for peacefull solutions that will put an end to these senseless wars.
the world needs more leaders,inspired by believers like you ron.thanks for showing the way.

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write a book
Posted by: annel on Jun 17, 2005 5:47 PM   
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write a book not from the victim's perspective, but from the killers' perspective and how to heal after killing a person.
either in battle or self defense....i can only imagine the scope of the healing process one must undertake. how many warriors, souls, could benefit from this healing?

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Americans have a problem--ass-holes!
Posted by: aregers on Jun 18, 2005 3:42 AM   
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Facts--for over 300 years killers
9/11 WTC-inside government job with MOSSAD help
Apalo moon landings filmed in Israel desert
Now that is the tip of the ice-berg lies,I could go on and on.But why are Americans such ass-holes?Cause they knew deep down that all their elected officials are liars and let them get away with the killings.
We know about the Tomkin,USS Liberty lies and a host of thousands of lies.Our jewish zionist media has an agenda and we ass-holes let them get away with murder. All our politicians are some how paid as Israeli agents and we don't do dick shit.
History of Bush's looked up to President--Pres. Coward Wilson
Back in 1915 Wilson secretly give Russia $325 million and Arms not to sign the peace treaty with Germany--both were tried of the war.The money had come from American Industrialist to continue the war. At this time the war was not a world War. In 1916, during Wilson Election, he promised that America would never send troops or declare war into Europe---THE BASTARTD LIED AND IN 3 MONTHS DECLARED WAR AND MILLIONS DEAD. And for what?--homeland for the jews!
And we did nothing to the lying bastard.We are such ass-holes!

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Thanks Ron!
Posted by: mosesfreeman on Jun 18, 2005 5:23 AM   
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Thanks Ron, that was a great post. I also want to thank you for your service to peace all of these years. You are a great American and a true patriot, unlike the craven war-mongers who would ruin our country, our freedom and our lives. Thanks.

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How Do We Find Our Way Through Fear
Posted by: Sandra on Jun 18, 2005 10:40 AM   
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Thank you Ron for your thoughtful, heart-felt communication with us. Can you and others out there help us to understand how we find our way through the fear that has been generated by the attack on our country and by the administration's and the pentagon's relentless use of that fear to keep us at war and cowering for someone to protect us? I'll continue to use my voice to urge those in charge to bring our troops home. My fear is that there will be another terrorist attack somewhere in this country that will encourage the people of this country to continue to support this war monger regime believing that they will protect the people.

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Thank you, Ron
Posted by: Royaras on Jun 18, 2005 5:43 PM   
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Once again, you come as a breath of fresh air in the stagnation of lies in which the American people find themselves immersed.

I wonder what would happen if these "if you protest, you don't support the troops/you love the terrorists" wackos actually saw the damage done by war firsthand as you have. We don't see the flag-draped coffins coming home, we don't see the hospitals with soldiers with missing limbs, we don't hear about the PTSD that returning soldiers deal with. And we don't fear for the draft number that will be called up, ensuring that our sons will be next on the battlelines.

Please, please keep speaking Truth to Power. There are signs that the American people are waking up. Your voice is needed until they do.

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Only one thing to say
Posted by: 42Years on Jun 18, 2005 7:53 PM   
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Fucking-A-Right!

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Lori
Posted by: i'mhere on Jun 18, 2005 8:38 PM   
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Thank you for your beautiful story. I so admire your courage and faith. I wish I could meet you in person.

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