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War on Iraq

The Future of Islam

By Lakshmi Chaudhry, AlterNet. Posted April 28, 2005.


Reza Aslan explains why the real target in the 9/11 attacks was not the United States but moderates in the Muslim world.
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In recent weeks, a young Iranian-American author has been making his rounds of the talk show circuit. Turn on the TV and you might catch a glimpse of him on "Meet the Press" or more recently Jon Stewart's "Daily Show". Reza Aslan is a man in demand these days.

Aslan's new-found popularity is hardly surprising since his latest book, No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam, offers a surprising answer to the question on every American's mind since the Sept. 11 attacks: Why do they hate us? As it turns out, says Aslan, it's really not about "us" at all. Islamic terrorism, he argues, is for the most part a symptom not of a clash of civilizations but an internal conflict within the Muslim world -- a centuries-old battle over the future of Islam.

In offering a rich, nuanced, and insightful history of Islam, the book challenges dogmatic views on both sides of the political divide, be it the right-wing conflation of the battle against terrorism with a Christian crusade or liberals' fear of Middle Eastern groups that call for the establishment of a religious state. More shocking for progressives: he is also optimistic about the future of Iraq as the first successful experiment in Islamic democracy.

Reza Aslan spoke to AlterNet from his home in Santa Barbara.

Lakshmi Chaudhry: Let me start out by asking you what motivated to write this book? What were you trying to achieve?

This book was actually a result of a series of courses that I taught at the University of Iowa. I was a visiting assistant professor there, and taught the religion and politics of the Middle East. After Sept. 11, the course became so popular that it occurred to me that it’s information that most Americans don’t have. Most of the western world is fairly ignorant when it comes to the faith and practice, and history and political culture of Islam and of the Muslim world.

It also occurred to me that there were few people who were explaining this from a perspective of faith, as well as from an objective scholarly perspective -- as a Muslim and as a scholar of comparative religion.

The most startling claim you make in the book is about the Sept. 11 attacks. According to you, they did not, in fact, mark the moment of a clash of civilizations between the West and a pan-Islamic Jihad, but rather a moment in an internal conflict within Islam -- a 14-century-long internal conflict within Islam. Could you talk about that?

We are now living in the twilight of that era of Arab-Islamic reformation. This is a process that began around the time of the colonialist experience, some 100-150 years ago, when Muslims were, for the first time, forced to respond to not just the realities of the modern world -- secularism and modernization, and industrialization -- but also the western cultural hegemony that came part and parcel with the colonialist experience.

So naturally there were two broad reactions to it. One, there were those groups of modernists, reformists, and moderates who eagerly accepted these enlightenment principles that the colonialists were preaching -- concepts such as human rights, individualism, constitutionalism and rule of law -- and to a far lesser degree, democracy and popular sovereignty. They not only adopted [these principles], but strove to create an indigenous vision of these principles, and an indigenous Islamic enlightenment.

Then there were those Muslims -- who at that time I would say represented the majority of the Muslim population -- who responded to colonialism by reacting violently against it, by rejecting that western cultural hegemony, including these wonderful principles, as being a part of colonial oppression. They wanted to respond to modernity by reverting instead to what we would now refer to as the fundamentals of their faith. They wanted to go back to a purely and distinctly Islamic identity.

What we’re seeing now is a natural evolution of this reformation that began then, and which, in essence, is coming to a close. I call Sept. 11 a part of that internal clash because that precisely was the reason for the attacks on New York and Washington. Whatever we want to say about bin Laden, the savagery of his followers and their murderous inclinations, they’re not stupid people. They recognized quite clearly that this kind of spectacular attack on U.S. soil was going to engender an exaggerated response. That is precisely what they were hoping for as an opportunity to galvanize support for what was a losing cause before Sept. 11.

So they hoped that the U.S. response -- which would necessarily be bloody and violent -- would then create a counter-response. And they could then channel that anger and rage at the U.S. into support for their version of fundamentalism.

That’s right. Before Sept. 11, those of us who studied the region were predicting quite confidently that this was the end for these movements towards traditionalism and fundamentalism. Regardless of the enormous impact that Wahabbi Islam -- this puritanical vision of Islam from Saudi Arabia -- was having on Muslims throughout the world, including Europe and the United States, there was still every indication that the tide of reform and modernism was going to wash away these small factions of traditionalism, militantism, and extremism.


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Lakshmi Chaudhry is senior editor of AlterNet.

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author and agitator church and state
Posted by: eileen_flmng on Apr 28, 2005 5:33 AM   
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The battle for Islam is within Islam; progressives and moderates against fundamentalism.

The same battle can also be said to exist within the American brand of Christianity.

40 years ago, Martin Luther King warned us that any nation that contiues to increase the defense budget while cutting programs to the poor and marginalized in society, is a nation approaching spiritual death.

Hope for progressive Christians and the USA can be found in the rapidly spreading grass roots efforts of SOJOURNERS.
www.godspolitics.com
www.sojo.net

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Sherman Brennan
Posted by: Sherman1970 on Apr 28, 2005 7:07 AM   
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I am definitely going to keep my eye out for this book, but I can't help but feel the author is being a little too optomistic. Especially when pointing out that Saudi Arabia is moving towards a more democratic society. In the last election that the Saudis held turnout was very low and women still couldn't cast a vote. And in Iraq the slow going of establishing a working government, and not to mention the fact that many of the people in the current government are hold overs from the IGC thereby being seen as illegitimate, is starting to put the ordinary Iraqi citizen off of participating in a democracy.

I do truly hope that all the people living in a country with a repressive, totalitarian regime are able to move towards creating a more pluralistic society either on their own or with some help, but I am not so sure that it can even happen within the next decade. As the world becomes more unstable, and it most assuredly will, then I think democracies, including our own, might find themselves being the exception and not the rule. But then again I am a pessimist who loves to be proved wrong.

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spreading democracy--or capitalism?
Posted by: lobdillj on Apr 28, 2005 7:47 AM   
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This interview skirts all around an issue that seems to me to be a critical one. Our "leaders" seem perfectly happy with any repressive government that does not interfere with the desires of large corporations. Yet when they want to justify a war or invasion that is going to kill a lot of people, they always trot out the argument that it's about "freedom" and "democracy". These are inconsistent behaviors that belie the true reasons for the killing.

The fact is that Bush et al are perfectly happy with Saudi Arabia's repression. And they don't give a damn about what is happening in Somalia or Rwanda or in any of the other hell holes of the world. Their obsession with the Middle East is about oil and money, pure and simple.

Just my $0.02 (worth fewer and fewer euros every day)

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» Ahhhhh yes Posted by: Kanefire
The Politics of Fear
Posted by: Meta4Life on Apr 28, 2005 11:11 AM   
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I find Reza Aslan's optimisim seductive, for I am an optimist at heart. But I see clearly that our own democracy is hag-ridden by religion, and religious fundamentalists. I wonder how we are ever going to win free of our lizard-brain yearnings for a patriarchal, protective God who will reward us, smite our enemies into oblivion, and usher us into a Promised Land. (more...)

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9/11
Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 28, 2005 4:14 PM   
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"...it's really not about "us" at all."

Try telling that to those who lost loved ones in the 9/11 disasters. That most certainly IS who it's about. You seem to be saying, "Don't take it personally; you were not the enemy, but just an object lesson, a pawn." Cold comfort, indeed, for those who were left behind to mourn loved ones. How personal can you get? The dead are the fortunate ones; they don't have to listen to all the rhetoric, the "sound and fury, signifying nothing." I find it difficult to even listen to people who want to analyze the why's and wherefore's of this tragedy as if they were giving a book review. I couldn't even finish reading the interview! How about some discussion about how to EFFECTIVELY see that it doesn't happen again? Maybe I could listen to THAT discussion long enough to comprehend it!

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» RE: 9/11 Posted by: Meta4Life
» RE: 9/11 Posted by: sterlingwisdom
Re: THE FUTURE OF ISLAM
Posted by: tstinson on Apr 28, 2005 8:21 PM   
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There are several points which I agree with Reza Aslan on concerning this article. However, I felt that the author did not discuss in depth western, more specifically U.S involvement in the Middle East, as a source of anger among so many Muslims.

I do not disagree with the fact that, there are some of us who resort to killing as a first resort to conflict resolution, and unfortunately, claim to do so in the name of Islam (despite the fact that their reasons for doing so are explicitly condemned in the Qur'an). In this sense, we play right into the hands of those who have called for internment camps for all Muslims here in the U.S, as well as arbitrary, indefinite detention (including that of a 16 year old girl) and the demonization of Islam in U.S media.

The fact is that despite all of the empty rhetoric by this administration and others about "spreading democracy in the Middle East", the U.S and western countries in general, have an atrocious historical past in the region.

In addition to the Crusades, events include; the 1953 overthrow of Iran's government (in another joint U.S/Great Britain venture!) engineered by the CIA, U.S support for Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war, the number of children who died as a direct result of U.S backed U.N endorsed sanctions, France's invasion and colonization of Tunisia and Algeria, the many invasions of Iraq (formerly known as Mesopotamia) by Great Britain, the gassing of Arabs and Kurds by Winston Churchill and current the Palestinian-Israeli conflict
where the U.S and western media sources in general, turn a blind eye toward Palestinian suffering while continuing to portray all Palestinians as terrorists who great what they deserve.

I understand that this is no where near a comprehensive listing of events however; these are incidents which are left out of U.S history books and documentaries.

I strongly believe that, as a nation we would benefit greatly by having an open and honest discussion about our history of involvement in the Middle East.

For myself as a convert to Islam, it is not the emphasis on violence that brought me the faith, but a universal message of equality, regardless of skin color.

Timothy Stinson
Miami, Florida

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» RE: e: THE FUTURE OF ISLAM Posted by: wwrwtw
911 is a joke
Posted by: Bluetopia on Apr 29, 2005 4:09 AM   
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Yes, yes. The baaad arabs attacked the USA.

Keep dreaming...and cowering from the truth.

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wwrwtw
Posted by: wwrwtw on Apr 29, 2005 12:28 PM   
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You have GOT to be kidding me! The Islamists attacked the US on 9/11 and you are saying the attack was on "moderate Muslims"? Why is the Muslims are always the victims in this country? Seems to me more non-muslim "infidels" were murdered on 9/11 than so-called "moderate Muslims"!!

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You have to be trusted
Posted by: Kafir Nation on Apr 29, 2005 12:43 PM   
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You have to be trusted
by the people that you lie to
foisting another false image on unsuspecting Americans suggesting simultaneously islam has nothing to do with terrorism they call it jihad and is tolerant . But some how needs reform an impossibility more illusive than cold fusion.
Reza Aslan is perfect for the job Young glib good looking effeminate and unthreatening like he was picked from central casting.
He is smooth seemingly unconcerned about the future as he lies to people about things they have no knowledge of. Its like stealing candy from a baby no wonder he is so relaxed on his frequent TV appearances
Make no mistake Islam fundementaly Is anti fredom That they can lie to you with inpunity is your fault not theirs they have differnt values lying to you is a good act. Not a sin.

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» RE: You have to be trusted Posted by: Casa Mila
Why are you still confused?
Posted by: Fizzyman on May 3, 2005 5:01 PM   
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Why do Americans still ask the question: Why do they hate us? Hasn't that become blatantly apparent yet? I mean I know your education system renders most of you ignorant of anywhere outside Buttfukk, Idaho, but to still wonder as to why the world hates your government and your business is astounding.
Good luck to your families.

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