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War on Iraq

Portrait of an Army Cemetery: An Interview With the Directors of HBO's "Section 60"

By Katie Halper, AlterNet. Posted October 15, 2008.


"When you stand there and see the rows of tombstones ... you realize what the price of war can be."
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Most Americans have never heard of Section 60, let alone visited it. But thanks to filmmakers Jon Alpert and Matt O'Neill, you can now get a glimpse of the area in Arlington National Cemetery where the men and women who have died fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried. "Section 60: Arlington National Cemetery" is the third of a trilogy of collaborations between the filmmakers and HBO that captures the costs of the current wars. "Section 60," in fact, picks up where "Baghdad ER" left off. The tragic death from shrapnel wounds of 21-year-old Lance Cpl. Robert T. Mininger comes at the unforgettable end of "Baghdad ER." Their latest documentary opens with a mother visiting the grave of her son "Bobby." Unlike like the action-packed "Baghdad ER" or the stylized "Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq," "Section 60" offers an almost unmediated view into the lives of the men and women, mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, husbands and wives, who, week after week, day after day, find solace, community and a place to grieve and visit their lost loved ones in Section 60.

The Emmy-award winning directors are based in New York out of DCTV. They were recently in Washington, D.C., to attend a special TAPS (Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors) screening of their film at the Navy Memorial. I caught up with Alpert and O'Neill over the phone as they got ready for the screening and talked to me about why "Section 60" matters now, how making this film affected them in a way no other documentary has, and what it's like feeling "trapped in Section 60."

"Section 60" aired on HBO on Monday. For more information on when you can watch it, go here.

Katie Halper: Why should Americans care about Section 60 and your film?

Matt O'Neill: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have become the background noise in this presidential election. No one is paying attention right now in the mainstream media to the costs that the military and their families are paying day in and day out, whether it's the 5,000 lives lost or the hundreds of thousands who have spent years away from their friends and families. That's why we're proud to be working with HBO and Sheila Nevins to make this film. They've consistently brought attention to these issues when the rest of the media is ignoring them. And it's an important time right now in the context of the presidential elections. Americans need to be paying attention to the two wars that we're fighting overseas right now and the hundreds of thousands of men and women who are serving the county over there. No matter what you think politically, it's essential that when you walk into the voting booth on Nov. 4, you remember that the person you're voting for, whether it's a congressional or the presidential election, will be deciding whether or not to send men and women to fight wars. We want the film to be watched by tens of millions of people, because that's the type of attention we want to bring to Section 60. And we told the families, "Let us into your world because we want people to pay attention to it." We think Section 60 deserves it.

KH: Your war-related recent films were very different. "Baghdad ER" was more dynamic and action-packed. And "Alive Day Memories" was much more stylized. How did this compare to those two experiences?

MO: The reality in "Baghdad ER" is very different than the reality in "Section 60." In "Baghdad," we tried to show what it's like being in an emergency room in a war zone, with tons of action. It's terrifying … riveting, it reminds you of the costs of the war in a visceral way. "Section 60" had a totally different energy. We're trying to help the rest of the country enter the world that these families live in every day. The greatest praise that we received thus far was at a screening for a number of the families. Paula Zillinger is one of the mothers in this film; she's in the first real scene in the film, and she goes to visit her son's grave. Her son Bobby died in the end of "Baghdad ER." At the screening, she got up and faced the audience and said, "Welcome to our world." I hope it brings an audience into the reality that these families are living.


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Katie Halper is a co-founder of Laughing Liberally, one of the national directors of Living Liberally and artistic director and comedy curator at The Tank. Katie blogs regularly for the Huffington Post, Working Life, Culture Kitchen and the political comedy site 23/6. Katie is working on a documentary about Camp Kinderland, the "Summer Camp with a Conscience."

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Much more dramatic than tombstones are the...
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 15, 2008 1:41 AM   
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flag-draped coffins returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan we are not allowed to see.

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PNAC/APAIC gifts to America
Posted by: weathered on Oct 15, 2008 5:24 AM   
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behold the power of the darkside.

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Going to war...
Posted by: fearn on Oct 15, 2008 6:51 AM   
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is the most expensive and least successful way of solving problems. In this case imaginary problems were used to justify a needless war that created far more problems than it solved. America needs to examine why it resorts to deadly violence so willingly.

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Here's the deal (maybe)
Posted by: willymack on Oct 15, 2008 11:50 AM   
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We're mired in an unwinnable pair of wars, foisted upon us by an unelected regime which is in office ILLEGALLY. Everything that's happened since the disgraceful coup in 2000 has been bad news for ordinary Americans, but good news for the war profiteers and their stooges in Washington as well as Wall Street. Now, those who've brought us such pain and suffering as well as the deaths and ruined lives of who knows how many innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan want us to rescue them from the inevitable results of their cannibalistic misadventures, and with OUR money! Do I have this right? Am I missing something? Do people need to go to jail over this instead of being given a license to screw us over even more, or what?

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Typical Americans only count their own kind
Posted by: 876 on Oct 15, 2008 11:54 AM   
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Oh it’s the tombstones that bring it home, is it? The one million dead Iraqis didn’t do the job for you Americans imperialists?

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» Yep the problem is intolerance! Posted by: wisegalah
Too Bad for Humanity, obviously it cannot learn from the past
Posted by: snideelf on Oct 15, 2008 8:28 PM   
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So it will simply move from one war to the next and then to the next, and all the while everyone will go along with it because there's a new "enemy" to hate and then later come the movies and documentaries about this war and that war.

Too bad for the human race.
Too stupid to learn from the past.
Doomed to repeat itself at the cost of millions and millions of innocent lives over and over and over again.

Maybe war is now just another form of entertainment.

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Please don't shock the delicate nature of americans.
Posted by: sirios on Oct 16, 2008 4:07 PM   
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This is ridiculous, looking at tombstones is suppose to alter the agressive nature of compassionless americans so that they will give a shit about all of the suffering they have caused throughout their own country and around the world for the last 200 years. If you wnat to use film as a wake up call, try watching the unsanitized news on Al jazeera [sp.?] when it reports on Iraq and elsewhere,or will that upset their delicate balancing act with denial.

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The bill
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 17, 2008 7:57 PM   
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I assume that in the US you at least have the decency to bury your war dead without cost to the families.Hopefully it's the same for those that die later on at home.In Canada we expect the families to carry the cost,at least if the soldiers don't die in battle.I lost three members of my immediate family to ww2 but they took their time dying.They had to have family carry the cost of burial and we have over 1000 soldiers in unmarked graves in a single cemetery in Vancouver.This is shameful and pathetic and inexcusable in such a wealthy country.How many of the homeless are former military?This is what they call caring for the troops.

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If you Think This is Cruel /GEORGE WASHINGTON, did know this & you can too..
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 22, 2008 3:06 PM   
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George Washington born 1732... his brother Lawrence Washington, served in the Military, "became ill" George Washington "came down with Smallpox& he Become Sterile"
HE KNEW THE DAMAGE THAT WAR COULD DO TO THE HUMAN BODY...
George Washington, "Made the American People, His Family".
IMAGINE THIS: You are joining the military, "You Are Exposed, to Toxic / Hazard Chemicals, & are Discharged from the Military Service, either with a Medical Discharge or with PTSD, SOME OF YOUR CHILDREN, HAVE *BIRTH DEFECTS / BIRTH DISEASES / are DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED &
IT IS BECAUSE: FROM YOU.. HAS COME AN *UNHEALTHY GENE* TO CAUSE THE CHILDREN, TO BE BORN THE WAY THEY ARE.. HOW WILL YOU FEEL THEN...about War & the
Aftermath of War?
While You Are Looking At those Tombstones, just see which one, has Your Child's Name on it... should you have been that Soldier, who contracted a Toxicity, which "Transmitted From Your Body... thru the genes... into the bloodstream & nerves... that would begin to Degenerate the Life of Your Child".
THIS IS FOR REAL... I AM AN ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF VETERANS, Before the Revolutionary War... this has been taking place....War can Poison the Human Body,the Body being Exposed to Toxic Materials,
& Our Generations can Die...a Generation at a Time.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS: "WHAT IF THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT, WAS ESTABLISHED *ESPECIALLY TO PROTECT... THE SOLDIERS / VETERANS & THEIR FAMILIES*... BECAUSE OF HOW WAR & THE AFTERMATH OF WAR... was ruining the Lives of the People ??"
George Washington & Dolley Payne/Paine--Todd--
Madison & I are from the Montague Ancestory...& the Documents of the U.S. Government, written by the Founding Fathers, has the "Montague Seal" on them, for them to:
"STAY INTACT FOR SUCCEEDING GENERATIONS".
The Montague Seal, along with the Emblem of the Order of the Eastern Star, is on the U.S. Currency, too... to: "Stay Intact for Succeeding Generations"..
It was Mary Montague who was *in possession, of the Montague Seal*. Her husband, was Thomas
Paine, the Montague Seal, was Presented to George Washington, so he could use it on the Documents written by the Founding Fathers, as "HIS PROMISE, THAT THE DOCUMENTS OF U.S. GOVERNMENT, WOULD: STAY INTACT FOR SUCCEEDING
GENERATIONS".
The Founding Fathers, also, had a Plan for Civilizing the Native People, who had been living in this land, before any of the Immigrants of the 1600's came to this land.
THEY SENT *EDUCATED, WHITEMEN, to Marry into the family of the Native Chief the descendants would become Part White.
These Unions of Marriage, began by 1778, & by 1820's, some of these groups of people, were Moved to the Territory, which would become the State of Oklahoma.
And, ONE MILLION SLAVES & MANY WHITE PEOPLE, WERE PERMITTED TO TRAVEL & LIVE ON THIS
RESERVATION LAND...& they intermarried... to
become a Mixed Race of People... ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
Some of the Native people will Deny That They Descend from Whitemen, some White People, will Deny that They Descend, from a Slave...
DOES THE COLOR OF SKIN, MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE...
"What God Hath Put Together, LET NO MAN, PUT ASUNDER"... No One Can Separate, the Bloodlineage, of Who You Are, nor can the Blood, Bones & the Soul, EVER BE SEPARATED !
WE THE PEOPLE,...HAVE A POWER, yet We Have a Weakness, connected to war.
I advocated for 7 individuals & 5 of them are Minor Children, who have Radiation & other Toxicity in their bodies, the current generation, will "die at half the age, as the previous generation".
NOW TELL ME, WHO'S NAME IS ON THAT TOMBSTONE, OR IS IT BLANK, WAITING FOR ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES, A MEMBER OF *YOUR SUCCEEDING GENERATION* ????
(My heart bleeds for Our U.S. Soldiers, who come home ill)
One American Lady
Veterans Advocate
bojacks1@yahoo.com

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VIEW THIS WEBSITE:
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 22, 2008 3:10 PM   
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veterans for common sense.org
Keep Up with the Ones, Who Fought to Protect
America, & the People, therein...
These are the True Patriots of America.
Sincerely,
One American Lady
Veterans Advocate
bojacks1@yahoo.com

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