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How the GOP Wired Ohio's 2004 Vote Count for Bush to Win

By Steven Rosenfeld . Posted September 18, 2008.


A Republican computer data security expert tells how cyber-partisans could have stolen the 2004 election.
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An election whistleblower who is a Republican, a nationally known data security and computer architecture expert, and an Ohio resident has filed a sworn affidavit in federal court that describes how Republican Party consultants in 2004 built an electronic vote counting network in Ohio that could have stolen votes to re-elect the president.

The whistleblower, Stephen Spoonamore, who has run or held senior technology positions in six technology companies, and whose clients have included MasterCard, American Express, NBC-GE, and federal agencies including the State Department and the Navy, said Mike Connell, a longtime Republican Party computer networking contractor, "agrees that the electronic voting systems in the US are not secure" and told Spoonamore in 2007 "that he (Connell) is afraid some of the more ruthless partisans of the GOP may have exploited systems he in part worked on for this purpose."

"Mr. Connell builds front end applications, user interfaces and web sites," Spoonamore said in his September 17, 2008 affidavit. "Knowing his team and their skills I find it unlikely they would be the vote thieves directly. I believe however he knows who is doing that work, and has likely turned a blind eye to this activity. Mr. Connell is a devout Catholic. He has admitted to me that in his zeal to 'save the unborn' he may have helped others who have compromised elections. He was clearly uncomfortable when I asked directly about Ohio 2004."

The affidavit, which goes onto describe how a statewide computer network and vote-counting system in part built by Connell's firms in 2004 could have been used to steal votes to re-elect George W. Bush in 2004's final battleground state. It was filed in a federal voting rights suit brought in 2006 that in part sought to preserve ballots from the 2004 presidential election.

After a federal judge ordered those records be preserved, Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio Secretary of State elected in November 2006, discovered that ballots and other records that could determine the accuracy of the 2004 vote count had been destroyed in 56 of Ohio's 88 counties. Brunner is a Democrat; her Republican predecessor, Ken Blackwell, was targeted in the lawsuit. Brunner has since sought to delay action in the case until after the 2008 presidential election.

The Ohio Southern District Court granted a stay, or delay, to the state. However lawyers for aggrieved 2004 voters who brought the lawsuit, filed Spoonamore's declaration to argue the stay be lifted for just Connell, so he can be questioned under oath about the digital vote counting network he build in 2004.

These lawyers, notably Cliff Arnebeck of Coumbus, Ohio, and Spoonamore, believe that Republican partisans could have tapped into a key node in vote-counting networks where county-level results are compiled into state results. At that point, they believe software was used that told the vote-counting mechanism to limit the votes awarded to the Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry, and to shift or add votes to the total for George W. Bush.

"I have followed with interest the security issues involved with electronic voting in United States," Spoonamore's affidavit said. "My understanding of the vulnerabilities of American elections to fraudulent manipulation is based upon conversations with professionals in election administration working within state governmental structures as well as information technology specialists working in private industry a contract basis for state governments."

On Election Night in 2004, the Ohio Secretary of State's website posting the official Ohio election results was hosted on Republican-controlled servers in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which also were home to many other Republican websites. According to Spoonamore this set-up "modified" more typical electronic vote counting networks, where local precincts would record individual votes and then send them to county tabulators, which in turn would send the countywide counts to a statewide tabulator.

"The vote tabulation and reporting system, as modified at the direction of Mr. (Kenneth J.) Blackwell (Ohio's former Secretary of State, a Republican and co-chair of the president's re-election campaign in Ohio in 2004), allowed the introduction of a single computer in the middle of the pathway," he said. "This computer located at a company principally managing IT Systems for GOP campaign and political operations (Computer C) received all information from each county computer (Computer A) BEFORE it was sent onward to Computer B (Ohio's statewide vote count tabulator)."

Spoonamore's affidavit discusses several scenarios how data containing vote totals could have been intercepted and modified. However, he believes the vote counting server used by Ohio's former secretary of state to host the state's Election Night website was the most likely location where votes were held, reviewed and altered before presentation to the public and media. That conclusion is based on the fact that some counties were faxing their vote counts, which meant there was not uniformity in the counting process until the statewide tabulation stage.

"This centralized collection of all incoming statewide tabulations would make it extremely easy for a single operator, or a preprogrammed single 'force balancing computer' to change the results in any way desired by the team controlling Computer C -- in this case GOP partisan operatives," Spoonamore said. "Again, if this out of state system had ANY digital access to the Secretary of States system it would be cause for immediate investigation by any of my banking clients."

Spoonamore's declaration discusses how it is common in detecting electronic banking fraud to find the insertion of "man in the middle" attacks, where criminals insert a computer between a network's data transmission points. He further describes "force balancing," which he said is a feature of banking industry computers, such as ATMs, which balance sums in user's accounts after deposits and withdrawals. Spoonamore said Ohio's 2004 electronic voting tabulators, made by Diebold (now Premier Election Solutions), which also makes bank ATMs, contain software that add and subtract votes. He said the subtraction feature could only be used to delete votes.

"The Diebold system is riddled with exploitable errors," he said, citing a report on the Diebold's vote counting computers commissioned by former Maryland Gov. Robert Erlich, a Republican. "Many of these concerns are almost comical from the perspective of a computer architect. One example of this: The existence of negative fields being possible in some number fields. Voting machines as custom built computers which should be designed to begin at the number Zero, no votes, and advance only in increments of 1, one vote, until they max out at the most possible votes cast in one day … There is no possible legitimate reason that NEGATIVE votes should ever be entered. And yet these machines are capable of having negative numbers programmed in, injected, or preloaded."

If GOP cyber-partisans intercepted county vote totals and altered the statewide count reported to the public, Spoonamore said the hard drives in the county-level tabulators would contain records that would reveal that the statewide vote count was fraudulent.

"If this had happened, in order to cover up this fact, the hard drives of the county level tabulators would have to be pulled and destroyed, as they would have digital evidence of this hacking from Computer C," he said. "The efforts by the company in charge of these computers to pull out hard drives and destroy them in advance of the Green Party Recount from the 2004 election is a clear signal something was deliberately amiss with the county tabulators."

After the 2004 election, the Green and Libertarian Parties paid for a statewide recount where 3 percent of the vote in counties was to be examined. Green Party observers reported the company programming and servicing the county vote-count tabulators in 41 mostly rural Republican-majority counties, Triad Government Services, Inc., replaced hard drives before the recount was conducted. In Hocking County, when the Board of Election Deputy Director, Sherole Eaton questioned this and recounted the incident in sworn affidavits used in litigation, she subsequently was fired from her job.

David Cobb, the 2004 Green presidential candidate, raised hard disk incident when testifying at a congressional field hearing by the House Judiciary Committee's Democratic staff in Ohio in December 2004. Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), who now chairs the committee, asked the FBI to investigate at that time, but nothing came of the investigation.

According to previous statements by Spoonamore, the family that controls Triad and related sister companies, the Rapp family of Xenia, Ohio, are evangelical Republicans and GOP donors. Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the Lincoln Bronzeville litigation have previously stated that the 2004 Ohio presidential results only had to be altered in three southeastern counties -- Warren, Cleremont and Butler -- to increase George W. Bush's margin to re-elect him to a second term.

One Rapp family firm, Rapp Systems Corporation, sells commemorative editions of the Palm Beach County Florida "butterfly ballot" that confused elderly Democratic voters in 2000 who mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Al Gore.

Apart from discussing the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, Spoonamore's affidavit also said that there is "no possible way" to make paperless electronic voting secure. That is because the voting systems are designed to mask the identity of voters, whereas in banking, each account holder is identified by several lawyers of secure authentication.

"In my opinion, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to make a secure touch screen voting system," Spoonamore said. "None. Secure systems are predicated on establishing securely the identity of every user of the system. Voting is predicated on being anonymous. It is impossible to have a system that does both. It is possible to design relatively secure optical scan machines, but even these can be hacked in even the best of cases. In the case of optical scan (systems where hand-marked paper ballots are scanned by computer counters) you have the ability to recount manually the paper ballot itself, and the ability to spot check the machines for errors against a sample of hand recounting."

In November 2008, approximately 30 percent of the country will be using paperless electronic voting machines, according to VerifiedVoting.org. However, the vote counting landscape in some battleground states will not be the same in 2008 as it was in 2004. Lawyers and other election protection experts -- inside the Democratic Party and in outside non-partisan groups -- are developing numerous checks and balances to attempt to monitor the accuracy of the various stages of tabulating the vote count. These efforts are much more extensive and informed than in 2004.

In Ohio, for instance, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, has forced some of the state's cities to transition from paperless voting to optical scan system, as one response to problems associated with paperless voting. And just this week Brunner decided to allow observers from minor political parties, such as the Greens, to be observers inside polling places and at tabulation rooms in county Boards of Elections. Those observers will be able to track whether local vote totals are being accurately tallied for county-wide counts, which is where they believe vote totals were altered in 2004.

In other 2008 battleground states using paperless voting systems, such as Pennsylvania, there appear to be less-developed plans to monitor the various layers of voting process, although election integrity activists have been pushing for precincts to be supplied with paper ballots if there are machine malfunctions. The Democratic National Committee has extensively surveyed the voting systems in every county in the U.S., which they did not do in 2004, but party officials do not comment on their election protection plans.

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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and author of Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting (AlterNet Books, 2008).

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Could Have???
Posted by: dayenta on Sep 18, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Thery DID steal the election!!! There is no lower, more corrupt repugnican that our former Secretary of State (gag), Blackwell. He was Cheney's campaign chairman, fer godsake!

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That's why Biden is getting tougher and helping Obama reach out to Catholic blue collared voters
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 18, 2008 10:15 AM   
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all over OH. We must not all the GOP any room for stealing the election this time. They already did it twice, FL in 2000 and Fl and OH in 2004 ! America is now a complete DISGRACE as a result of wars and tax cuts for the wealthy. Enough is enough !

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The GOP doesn't give a damn about democracy, only "winning" elections.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 AM   
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If PNAC member McCain ends up in the Oval Office, our worst days as a dying democracy are ahead of us.

Heil Fuhrer McKain!

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blah, blah, blah they stole the election, blah, blah, blah, the GOP are crooks...
Posted by: buddyedgewood on Sep 18, 2008 11:19 AM   
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show me proof or shut the hell up! Up until now, all I've heard is pure speculation and FUD.

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» Why bother... Posted by: OldRedleg
» RE: Why bother... Posted by: buddyedgewood
» RE: Why bother... Posted by: OldRedleg
» Now you're finally talking some sense. Posted by: paulmagillsmith
» Yo, insect! Posted by: LMNOP
Election fraud
Posted by: boltzmann on Sep 18, 2008 11:44 AM   
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Election fraud sadly seems to be the norm. Steal This Vote by Andrew Gumbel discusses the history of corrupt elections in this country. Unfortunately, what happened in Ohio will never really be known due to the lack of physical evidence. As an example of how easy these machines are to manipulate, take a look at this Princeton study from two years ago. Not much has changed which was highlighted in this NIST report.

We are quick to try to police elections in other countries. It might be time for a United Nations coalition to oversee one of ours.

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Like and expose describing how someone who stands in the street...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 18, 2008 2:00 PM   
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...could be hit by a bus.

...network in Ohio that could have stolen votes to re-elect the president.

Duh. First rule of computing: every machine in every network is subject to compromise.

Second rule of computing*.

Now, moving along, those with evidence that the data were fixed--rather than "could have been"--should contact their DA, their AG, the FEC, and also local and national press offices.

*The second rule is irrelevant, but some folks have the expectation of privacy online. There is no such thing as privacy online, only the expectation that the government in Constitutional republic won't unduly violate your privacy. And that's even become under the Republican(1) and Democratic(2) assaults on our liberties.

1) See GWB.

2) See Obiden

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Elections
Posted by: bushsbeansaregross on Sep 18, 2008 5:48 PM   
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We know this one is going to be fixed too.

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The Design
Posted by: asjogren on Sep 18, 2008 7:28 PM   
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"The vote tabulation and reporting system, as modified at the direction of Mr. (Kenneth J.) Blackwell (Ohio's former Secretary of State, a Republican and co-chair of the president's re-election campaign in Ohio in 2004), allowed the introduction of a single computer in the middle of the pathway," he said. "This computer located at a company principally managing IT Systems for GOP campaign and political operations (Computer C) received all information from each county computer (Computer A) BEFORE it was sent onward to Computer B (Ohio's statewide vote count tabulator)."

This is a functional design FOR FRAUD. Can we prove that fraud was committed?

Was there not a statistically significant difference between exit polls and election results in Ohio? I seem to remember that.

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Because there is no PROOF
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 23, 2008 6:37 AM   
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IT is all speculation and circumstantial speculation at that.

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Ronald Reagan stole the 1980 election from Jimmy Carter
Posted by: dockboy on Sep 18, 2008 9:23 PM   
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There is no way Jimmy Carter could have lost the 1980 election. Reagan stole it from him. Americans can only ever want Democraps. There is no way a Republican can ever win a fair election.

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there was enough idiot votes to allow these criminals to steal...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 19, 2008 4:41 AM   
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the election not once but twice!

and you all allowed it to happen!

In 40 days and you will finally be rid of the worst president in history!

The odds are Obama will loose and McCain will win not because the voters will elect the next President, but because enough key battleground states will be targeted and the votes of millions discarded... all planned by electronic vote riggers of course!

when will you get it? the fix is in...
Also, the October surprise is a global economic meltdown that's the last handout the BushCo administration can devise in order to pay off contacts and friends in the know!

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Steve, can you clarify something?
Posted by: Ambercat on Sep 19, 2008 6:56 AM   
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I think your article will lead many reading this to believe (even though you don't say this and you obviously know better) that this interception and alteration of the vote total involves touchscreen machines. I know only a handful of counties were using touchscreens in 2004 and that virtually every county therefore had paper ballots as evidence (I would assume that is why so much paper evidence had disappeared or been destroyed when Jennifer asked for it to be sent to Columbus - the loss of the unused ballots was particularly suggestive.) I thought that Clermont, Butler and Warren, the three extremely Republican counties you mentioned where ther were irregularities,were all using either punch cards or optical scan (do you know which one?)

This goes to show that paper ballots are not the solution to potential election stealing. Rather, checks and balances and vigilant observers are. That means people like your team at FreePress.org! Give my best to Bob Fitrakis. He's a hero!

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Paper Ballots are a necessity
Posted by: dalea on Sep 19, 2008 8:20 AM   
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Your deduction, "This goes to show that paper ballots are not the solution to potential election stealing. Rather, checks and balances and vigilant observers are," seems unnecessarily dismissive.

No one seriously contends they are THE solution---but they are a KEY ingredient in verified voting. What are the vigilant observers to do in this year's paperless touch-screen elections in PA?

TAKE ACTION---more info at www.PaperBallot.info

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AGAIN - "THEY" LET IT HAPPEN - BOTH SIDES
Posted by: sallyride on Sep 19, 2008 9:42 AM   
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America is not that stupid - again, both sides were in on all of this to pacify Ohio, and every other state where it happened, and it still is happening.

WAKE UP.

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GOP bogus absentees sent in fla new york and wisconsin already
Posted by: melindyrose on Sep 19, 2008 4:36 PM   
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GOP bogus absentees sent in fla new york and wisconsin already
lifelong older dems sent repub absentee ballots in 3 states
they think we can't read
bring 3 people to polls and a camera
amy goodman arrest not an anomaly
welcome to the clampdown

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Honest national secret election not possible
Posted by: billwald on Sep 20, 2008 10:49 AM   
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An honest secret ballot of 100 million people is not possible.

First, all county voting lists should be posted on the web. Every person could then check for dead voting neighbors and obvious liars.

Second. The names, and votes of all voters should be posted in spread sheet format. Every person could down load the data and make their own tally.

Voters should not be afraid of putting their money where their mouth is. If there is a benefit to a secret ballot, then Congress should try it for themselves. No telling how legislation would change if party goons didn't know who was voting against what. Could put some honesty in the system.

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Does anyone recall...
Posted by: orgonebox on Sep 22, 2008 2:02 PM   
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Does anyone recall an affadavit filed in 2005 or 2006 by someone who worked for the Florida RNC? Is Spoonamore and this person one and the same?
Insofar as I recall, the affadavit I'm referring to was filed in Maryland by a computer programmer who claimed to have been assigned to create a vote-hacking system. The filer said that he was told to make the hack under the pretense that the Democrats were already at work on a similar program, and the RNC wanted to understand how such a thing worked. He then filed the affadavit following the election, thinking that the work he had done for the Florida RNC had been used in Ohio.

The other thing I recall about the Ohio vote count is that in a number of counties there were more votes than registered voters - sometimes by as much as ten thousand. The numbers were specific enough that it wasn't simply an error in placing a comma/decimal. The information remained on the Ohio secretary of state's website for two weeks after the election before it was changed.

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» RE: Does anyone recall... Posted by: Basenjis
Vote Fraud also hurt Ron Paul in the primaries
Posted by: Reader11722 on Sep 22, 2008 2:08 PM   
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Vote Fraud, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

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» Sucker!! Posted by: rickiey
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT??????
Posted by: using on Sep 22, 2008 8:10 PM   
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WHAT CAN WE DO?????Everyone is calling them crooks......crooks who stole the money...crooks who will yet steal the 700 billion dollars that could have been used to buy us health care and education and the greening of America and the re establilshing industries, the money that the foxes in our hen houses lost, we will give it to them without restrictions without monitoring them without demanding returns, the crooks who denegrated the constitution, the crooks.. and we, the stupid ordinary
American tax payers....working too hard to lift up our heads and know what is happening behind the closed doors of not such hard working not such smart sales people who are peddling us the lies and fears but no solutions.
So, what can we do about it???How can we make sure our machines are working so our election is at the very least what we, the stupid ordinary people think we need???Where did all the smart people go????? the leaders, who understand what is happening, the ones who believe in a fairer more equitable world? Put your heads together with us......help us figure out how we can monitor the polls....how we turn a dying Empire into a democracy? Stand up and help us find solutions, now, before the fat lady sings...ARe you not one of the American people......and you are not stupid or lazy or uncaring or not unwilling to make a difference. STop telling us what we are..and are not..and start being what you think we ought to be......leaders for the betterment of our society.

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go to blackboxvoting.org
Posted by: bouyant on Sep 23, 2008 12:17 AM   
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blackboxvoting.org is an elections watchdog site

See also RF Kennedy Jr.'s article in Rolling Stone detailing election theft practices (maybe 2 years ago?)

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What is wrong with paper ballots?
Posted by: modeler on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 AM   
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They worked for 200 years. Repugnicans may need the computer systems to cheat and get their scum ala George and Dick as well as McCain and Palin elected. Lets go back to the proven system. Or is counting to diffcult for the Reps?

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