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A Crash Course in Economic Crashes

By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted September 16, 2008.


Each week, sometimes daily now, we slide by a new economic warning sign, by another wreck that's already off the road.

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The first time I was in a car crash, I was 6 or 7 years old.

That's a long time ago. But there are certain things about it that I remember quite vividly.

My father was driving. The road was icy. We began to slide. This was in the days before seat belts, and cars had bench seats, upholstered but not shaped for each individual bottom. My father shot out his right arm and pressed me against the seat back to keep me from flying forward if, indeed, we were going to end up hitting something.

What was most extraordinary was how long it seemed to take. How time slowed while we slid forward and sideways, heading onto the shoulder, then past it. It seemed as if we had all the time in the world, yet there was nothing we could do to get off the ice, alter the trajectory, slow down ... nothing ... until we crashed.

As I read the economics news, I'm having that exact same sensation that we're in a slow-motion crash.

Each week, sometimes daily, we slide by a new warning sign, another wreck that's already off the road.

The new one is Lehman Brothers.

Before that, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Before that, Bear Stearns.

In August, "one in every 416 U.S. households entered the foreclosure process." In spite of a 2005 law that made personal bankruptcies more difficult and that allows creditors to squeeze money out of people even after they've gone bankrupt, personal bankruptcy rates are soaring. General Motors stock has been trading at 1950s prices. Like GM, Ford is laying off thousands of workers. Both of them are asking for federal assistance to survive. Pension funds are routinely failing.

Then there are my personal experiences.

Like when I go to the gas station and watch the ticker on the pump go up over $50, $60 and then $70 to fill the tank. Or when I go to the supermarket and lay down $140 for what cost me $90 a year or so back.

From time to time I run into rich people or their handlers. In February I was traveling with a lawyer from one of New York's leading law firms. He does the legal work on IPOs. He told me the firm's January 2008 business was down 90 percent from January 2007. A couple of days ago a hedge fund guy dropped in on our regular tennis doubles game. Between sets he mentioned how hard it was to get credit these days. "On a secured loan," which means 40 percent backed by assets, mostly commercial real estate -- he was talking about $120 million and up -- "the banks want 20 percent interest."

Every analyst I see or hear blames it on the "housing bubble" and the "subprime mess."

That doesn't seem right.

It doesn't explain why the dollar has lost about a third of its value against the Canadian loonie and the euro, among others, or why gold is bouncing up against the $1,000 ceiling -- both of which happened before the bubble sprang a leak.

It doesn't explain why the stock market -- as measured by the Dow Jones average -- is down (adjusted for inflation) about 15 percent from 2001. Moreover, at its peak during the Bush years, it was only 14 percent (adjusted) over the 2001 mark.

It doesn't explain why median income is down -- depending on who's reporting it -- $700, $1,000, $1,200 per person, over that same time period. Even median family income, with more people working per family, is down.

It doesn't explain why, during the so-called Bush boom, corporate profits were at an all-time high, but corporations were starved for places to invest the money.

Let us presume that government policy has an effect on the economy.

What are the policies that have produced this economy that's on an icy road, sliding in slow motion toward the cliff, or, if we're lucky, maybe just into a ditch?

The core, the very heart of Bushonomics, is cutting taxes, especially for the wealthy.

I find it impossible to figure out what George Bush's motivations for anything are. He may have that impulse because he himself, his family and his friends are all very rich and they'll save themselves millions of dollars over the years. Maybe it's political. As he once said, the super-rich are his "base." It may be a class thing, borne of the belief that rich people are rich because they're better and will do better things with the money. It may be the mystical belief that "the market" makes everything better.

Whatever the truth is, the tax cuts were sold as economic stimulus and jobs packages with the promise that they would not create deficits. This last was based on a romantic Ayn Rand vision of millionaires racing into the backwoods to build, build, build new businesses that would create jobs, "good jobs," and new taxes would be paid by the businesses and the workers, making up for the initial deficits.

Alas, none of that ever happened.

Deficits were created.

Bush went on a war spending spree. That made them bigger. Whatever boom there was did not create sufficient revenue to the government to make up for deficits.


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Larry Beinhart is the author of Wag the Dog, The Librarian and Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin. All are available at LarryBeinhart.com. His new novel is Salvation Boulevard (Nation Books).

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» RE: Hugh Scott... Posted by: JSquercia
You Say You Can, But. . .
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 16, 2008 2:42 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
 
I Honestly Doubt That You Can Handle The Proof...
by The Old Hippie Because You Still Aren’t Stopping Them, Still “Allowing.”

The following links are articles of proof.  Proof that the successful transfer of the control-of-the-control of the wealth of this nation into the hands of the very few has destroyed this nation’s economic security, and ripped the Constitution and Bill of Rights to almost insignificance.  While at the same time making sure that their stolen wealth is protected from being taken back by the masses, and that their very-very few will be physically protected, by the stolen wealth, from the coming horrors of the multiple resource wars.  i.e. energy, water, and food, and from the coming environmental destructions of billions of lives.

[The links are in no particular order, as they are of equal significance.]

The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy: Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke
- - -
The Myths and Harsh Effects of Bush's Economic Class War
- - -
A Crude Awakening - The Oil Crash
- - -
We Must Imagine a Life Without Oil
- - -
Global Famine? Blame the Fed
- - -
Die-offs: The Biggest News That Isn't News
- - -
Hunger in America - Help US
- - -
Global Famine: The Lords of Capital Decree Mass Death by Starvation
- - -
Food Riots Erupt Worldwide
- - -
Is This the Beginning of Water Wars?
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Water Wars: Drought, Flood, Folly and the Politics of Thirst
- - -
The Reality-Based Realities of Global Warming
- - -
“Zeitgeist - The Movie”
- - -
False Pretenses - The War Card: Orchestrated Deception
- - -
The Real Elitists Work in Mainstream Media

Bush Actually Did Say It...  (And You Did “Allow” The-Very-Few To Prove It.)

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
It's just a goddamned piece of paper!”


George W. Bush

[For those who doubt he actually said it - Here is the quote’s verification link.]
 

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» RE: You Say You Can, But. . . Posted by: GatoPreto
» RE: You Say You Can, But. . . Posted by: LionHeart
FASCIST CRASH 101 (redux)
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Sep 16, 2008 2:44 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is not about “Reagonomics”, “Clintonomics” or tax policy although those things had their impact. It’s about the dark core of a Fascist system that has destroyed the value of the U.S. dollar so it has lost more than 95% of its value from the time the "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, zero reserves) was put over on the nation’s economy. A hundred years before the “Fed” came into being there was virtually no inflation in America. After, there was nothing but mayhem and deliberate destruction of the nation's economic base.

As I've said before, the "Fed" system is a private Fascist bank that prints money out of thin air by and for corporate criminal freeloaders.

In other words: a propaganda based extortion racket.

This comes down to a parasite ruling class run through organized corporate crime that has produced serial crashes before and will continue to do so until the bedrock framework of the system itself is overhauled. Something that beltway con artists and swindlers are hired to prevent at all costs.

Crooked ruling class "owners" that late, great, George Carlin lampooned will continue with their massive Ponzi scheme until it falls to pieces. As soon as it does, this vampire-class of Fascist "owners" will pick up those pieces and devise another Orwellian fraud just as vicious under a new innocent sounding name by way of corporate poodle play-actors such as Obama or McCain.

They'll call it something like the "HOMELAND BANK ACT" or perhaps even something like "The MOM & APPLE PIE ACT". Whatever the decoy label is, you can be sure it will be more of the same starring the corporate monopoly jackals that created the blood money mess we face now.

Put another way, Beinhart’s hopeful sounding band-aid of wise “regulation” at the hands of Wall Street charlatans that front for the “Fed” and Treasury is lunacy. These are ruling class hireling sharks that have created the catastrophe under our feet and over our lives.

The American public will be sold the new program by an utterly cooked Washington-MSM axis. We will be told that trusting Fascists that created the debacle is the only option we've got. Sadly, Americans will believe it like they've believed most of the thousand plus lies since before 9/11 coverup and its genocide "war on terror" travesty.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong but if history is any guide, God help us.

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» “...but if history is any guide...” Posted by: The Old Hippie
» RE: FASCIST CRASH 101 (redux) Posted by: weathered
An interesting perspective...
Posted by: Spot on Sep 16, 2008 2:56 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Both candidates are talking about tax cuts to fix the economy.
Does that make sense?"

Honestly, it makes as much sense as taxing everyone out the ass to pay for an expansion of state programs without first installing better management than we've seen under the bipartisan disaster of Bush2 and the Democratic Congress.

Despite the obvious stress i've built up over the past (has it been forever yet?) seven years, what I find most disconcerting is how my neighbors sit and wait for someone else to fix the problem.

Let's look at a root cause of our problem, which was touched upon by the author: the trade deficit.

everything that is not created in the community must be imported, and exchanged for something of equal or greater value from the community. everything we import goes through a number of hands between its production and our consumption; the further it comes from, the more hands are involved in its transportation, and the more the value of our exchanged goods is diminished by the needs of the workers who perform those steps along the route. the further the goods come from, the more we must use sophisticated machinery for transport, and therefore the more we must give a share of our production to those who own the machinery, usually the already wealthy.

I propose that part of the solution to this economic crisis is to start producing goods at home. My tomatoes, peppers, and corn yield me the equivalent of hundreds of dollars in exchange for a few hours of my springtime and the patience to wait out the summer. And best of all, when I bring some to the neighbors and they ask where I got such wonderful produce, I have an invitation to explain to them how our community can become more sustainable and how together we can build an alternative to the cult of the market.

Sure, there are things I can't grow or make; there will always be a need for trade and a certain level of industry, but I can't wait for a government solution to the economic crisis when I can help build the solution myself!

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Fannie and Fred
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Sep 16, 2008 4:25 AM   
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You cant hand out junk loans
This was only a matter of time
These things happen
dot.com bubble rings a bell?

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Great piece
Posted by: matthewwilhelm77 on Sep 16, 2008 4:40 AM   
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This is one of the most concise explanations I've read of why conservative economic philosophy is utter nonsense.

The bit about taxes during WWII is something that I've thought about a lot- people say that the New Deal didn't get us out of the Great Depression, that it was WWII. WWII got us out of the Great Depression because people were willing to have 90% tax rates to pay for tanks, planes, and warships, but they weren't willing to have these rates to pay for things that people actually need; it was GOVERNMENT SPENDING on the war that took us out of the Great Depression.

In the end, greed will be remembered as America's tragic flaw. It will indeed lead to our demise. Perhaps it is doing so as we speak.

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» Agreed Posted by: Sparks56
Business will never be a government!
Posted by: greentime on Sep 16, 2008 4:43 AM   
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Does it feel to you like we have a government?
No?
Here's why:
We don't have a government.

Doesn't it feel to you like we are being run into the ground by a gang of profit only CEOs who have no concern for us?
Yes?
That's because that is what is happening!

Do you actually think this corporatocracy sees us as citizens, as workers, as fellow travelers, as extended family?
No?
That's because they don't.

Is it too long ago for you to remember that Bush called us CONSUMERS? Not citizens.
After 9/11 he told us to go shopping!

Why were'nt we outraged then? Why don't we get it now?

Wake up America.

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Local Economies and Common Sense
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 16, 2008 5:02 AM   
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The Amish say: "Don't spend more than you make and life will be good to you." Thus, they are prosperous no matter what the mainstream economy does to itself. Families who own land can feed themselves and trade with their neighbors and friends in whatever ways work for their mutual benefit, not to make one family rich and the rest poor, because normally, people cooperate to survive. So, farm for family and community and to hell with the market.

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There is but one cause for this decline....
Posted by: jlohman on Sep 16, 2008 5:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is but one cause for this decline.... politicians.

Politicians that are on the take. that are couched in terms of campaign contributions and cause them to pass laws that benefit their contributors rather than the public they really work for.

The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war converted our $300 billion surplus to a $400 billion deficit, trashed the dollar bill, which drove fuel and food prices through the roof, and it's been downhill ever since. And all because the politicians that want to get re-elected, and private cash is the only cash available for campaigning.

Only when we see public funding of campaigns will we reverse the trend. And at $10 per taxpayer per year it'd be a bargain.

Here's some pieces on the subject:

Linking campaign financing to what’s wrong with the health care system

Are we having fun yet?

Full Public Financing Is Needed - For Democracy

What if public funding of campaigns were free to taxpayers?

It’s the Jobs, Stupid!

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» Politicians up against the wall! Posted by: Godzilla1916
Make the Gamblers pay Off THEIR OWN Debt!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 16, 2008 6:18 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
WallStreeters are nothing more than Gamblers who need some Tough Love.
They are ripping off the 'House' and the Granny they Ripped off to get there!
They are not just Highjacking our 'cookie Jar' they are placing Marks they claim WE will cover, Loans they've FORGED our Signature on, as Co Signers.
We never gave them the Dollar, Nor did we say we'd Cover the Bet 30 to 1!
THEY are the Ones who are Defrauding the "House", with Slight of hand and counting cards. When they Win...that stolen money never makes it back to the 'Cookie Jar', It stays in their pocket for more Fun & Games.And the 'House' Runs them a bigger Credit line. If they lose, They give them 'Granny's' bank acount number and address!
Frankly I have come to see the Entire fiasco in th M.E. as nothing more than the 'House' calling THEM to Pay Up on their loses because they can't squeeze any more out of 'Granny'- One way or another, services Rendered?
9/11 with it's targets being FINANCIAL, MILIATARY & FOREIGN POLICY (MIC)centers, That was when 'Guido' Beat 'Granny' as a sign to 'PAY UP'.
We hear we are carrying about a 4 trillion dollar Debt- but that is only counting what We Know has BEEN incurred, How a Many more 'Marks' are still out their Waiting to be Repaid that WE will ultimately be held Responsible for? Seems 'Granny' has a Gambling Steak in her Offspring that Requires some Tough Love Intervention- Give 'em to 'Guido'

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The bill of goods......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 16, 2008 6:30 AM   
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The American people are the losers! There has been over the last 30 years, by both Repugnikans and Democrats lies sold under "deregulation", "free markets", "rugged individualism", all lies to help the rich and corporate rule and raid our economy! Once again AVARICE, CORRUPTION, LOSS OF MORALITY & CONSCIOUS" ruled!

Now these same CEO's,bankers, brokers, and hedge fund managers want handouts from the government (our tax $$$$) even as they don't want regulations put into place! Yet Main Street is left to fend for itself!

Just like those people that were struggling to pay their mortgages and were kicked out, these corporations begging for handouts need: (1)Rules to regulate them, because they can't be trusted to learn from their mistakes (2) CEO's and higher management need to be held accountable, and should be required to repay some of those funds from those huge salaries& bonuses they were getting, (3)maybe some of those institutions going under need to go, that will be a lesson to the rest of them!

Much like Freddie and Fannie, when these companies were raking in profits hand over fist they weren't "sharing" any of that wealth, maybe because they off-shored or just hid that money, even the workers weren't compensated just the top management! So now that they need "help" in the form of my tax dollars, why can't I require them to have rules and regulations in place in order to get it, along with some type of reparation to the people from whom they scammed!

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Corirate GREED Rules the World! Go Local, Cut out the Corpirate Middle Man!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 16, 2008 6:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Start over
In our own back yard
Harvest food and green energy
Conserve, preserve, become more efficient, self sustainable and self Reliant.
Kick the fossil Fuel habit before it kills us.
Fall back on the positive progressive humanistic ideals and goals that got us here.
Make this a better place for us and our children to live.
We've got work to do.
When times get tough, the tough get going!
Kick Blutarsky out of the White House.
Tell Bush/McSame to take Animal House on the road.
Vote The Corporate Stooges Out!
Change the direction this country is going in.
All for one and One for All!

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Correlation does not equal causation
Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Sep 16, 2008 6:50 AM   
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sorry guys, for the last time, correlation does not equal causation. This is what happens when you let hack authors try and explain economics.

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A definition who's time has come
Posted by: pangea on Sep 16, 2008 6:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A great and timely definition - Fanney/Mai using tax payers money.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor is a classical political-economic argument, formulated around 1970,[1] stating the in the advanced capitalist societies, what actually happens is that the state gives much more resources to help the rich than the poor. The argument has different formulations, one of the most common is, the capitalist political economy toward big corporations is

SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH CAPITALISM FOR THE POOR
"privatising profits and socialising losses".

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Good Article
Posted by: caducus on Sep 16, 2008 7:00 AM   
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This is a pretty good article, but it does miss one pretty key point. Taxes do, theoretically, trigger growth. The reverse, theoretically, can be true. Both depend on policy. In a recession, lowering taxes is a useful tool to increase investment and, therefore, GDP. The Federal Reserve is a useful tool in this process, despite what some nitwits on here have to say about it. The Fed works for us because it was custom tailored to our economy.
Unfortunately, this tool was used up by Greenspan under the first Bush recession. It was minor, relatively. Relatively. Bush's tax cuts did in fact stimulate our economy. Temporarily. These tax cuts were not rolled back, and interest rates remained low.
This led us to the credit/housing bubble. Easy credit, even for people who should not have been eligible. What the hell else were the banks supposed to do with this money, loan it to industries overseas? Loaning the money to your own economy increases GDP, which is supposed to be good. If the credit is good, more money is created. If the credit is not, you see some of the biggest players in the US Financial sector going under.

Because interest rates were never raised significantly, we do not have this tool and instead face inflation for every quarter of a percentage point the Fed lowers the interest rate at which it loans money to all other banks. Because the Bush tax cuts were never rolled back any more tax cuts would increase the deficit too much and is in fact generating inflation. Paper dollars do not need gold, contrary to popular belief, however they do need a healthy economy to back them lest they fall in value with the economy.

Now would be a great time to lower taxes as well as interest rates, however we have exhausted this resource. Interestingly enough, war would be a great option for our economy, if Bush had not been the first president to ever go to war while simultaneously lowering taxes. With more taxes, Iraq and Afghanistan would benefit our economy. With less taxes, they have triggered inflation. Crap.

Now there is now consumer confidence. Consumer Confidence is the concept, real or imagined, that you can buy stuff. More stuff. It, we, are actually what drives the economy. Many economists can't figure this out b/c they place such importance on banks and capital. We are the ultimate capital and we are devaluing ourselves, or at least realizing how much we have actually been devalued.

Consumers need credit, or jobs, to buy stuff. We have less of both. The government can actually create both of these, if it decides to. If it decides to.

It is up to us as consumers, as citizens, to make this happen. Look past Obama and McCain and realize how many others are up for election this fall. In your town, in your state, and in the federal government representing your state. These people, esp state representatives in the US House/Senate, make the budget. Not Bush. Not McCain. Not Obama.

Elect people who will spur investment in America. Fiscal conservatives are actually a good option here. The good news is you can be fiscally conservative without being everything-else-conservative. You can have state-sponsored healthcare and be a fiscal conservative. This means only creating programs you have money for and not borrowing the dollar into obsolescence. A fiscal conservative would pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan because we don't have the money. A neo conservative would stay the course. A "liberal" would probably make noise about leaving Iraq while continuing to authorize it's funding. Our Pledge of Allegiance begins with "We The People..." It's our time to shine folks, what are you doing?

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More shady coverups.
Posted by: pinkfloydd on Sep 16, 2008 6:59 AM   
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The author does a great job explaining and detailing away the obvious. Everyone here should already know that trickle down economics was, and remains, a sham. Thanks for that.

What he refuses to touch upon, again, (for Alternet loves this guy, and I have to admit he has a way with words), is that the Federal Reserve is also a sham. A government inspired sham. We don't need no stinkin Fed. Why leave it up to posters to reveal what he should be screaming from roof-tops?

Remember the Civil War, and the ruinous mess the good ole' Dixie Country found themselves in after printing buckles of money? The people were using it to wipe their asses! And please believe, the American public is well on their way to repeating that.

Since those in power won't do it, we the people must rid ourselves of the Federal Reserve before it's too late. Alas, it may already be.

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Root cause
Posted by: solrev on Sep 16, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Reagenomics, the philosophy that if you give an investor class an unlimited supply of money and free markets they will create the best possible world. The profit motive will cause the investors to make the correct decisions for society, decisions that are better than an elected government can make. This is true in that the underlying principle of the profit motive is the creation of wealth. This philosophy in and of its self is not bad, unfortunately a funny thing happen on the way to the bank. Greedy people did not define wealth as society wealth but corporate and individual wealth. This ultimately led to the root cause of our problems, which really do not have anything to do with taxes but the structure of society, itself. The cost of production are material, labor, and overhead, corporations in their quest to create wealth did the smart thing they outsourced jobs to reduce labor costs and overhead costs (retirement and health insurance). There is the rub. One person’s job, the consumer, is transmitted through the society structure 4 times. The consumer, the retailer, the wholesaler, and the producer, when corporations illuminated enough of the producer element, the society structure was doomed to fail. The investor class is learning a hard lesson; money making money produces nothing. The founding fathers got it right in the very beginning; “governments are instituted among men to secure the entitlements of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. Wealth creation is not the role of the government; therefore in Reagenomics, governments should not exist. We can plug holes in financial institutions as stopgap measures or to prevent total collapse, but until the society structure is put back in place, we will exist on the edge or fall into the black hole. Which candidate has been preaching to do that the globalist, or the nationalist.

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Rethink, retrench, redo
Posted by: willymack on Sep 16, 2008 7:58 AM   
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It seems we've gone beyond our hoary old institutions in our social and international affairs, except for the USA, of course. We're STILL being dragged down by Big Greed, Big Religion, and Big (wasteful) Consuming. This makes us one of the most backward of all major nations, with the lion's share of our wealth and productivity going to a select few, while the rest of us are treading water. It's time for a complete overhaul of our thinking, educational system, and ENFORCEMENT of our Constitition, particularly the First and Fourth Amendments. We still think of energy production in terms of combustion when the evidence of the destructive nature of its continuence is all around us. We still allow wild-eyed religious fanatics to disrupt our daily lives and threaten our Constitutional guarantees (in the name of tolerance, of course). We still think in terms of an ever-expanding economy, based on an ever-expanding population. These ways of thinking are clearly OBSOLETE, and are working to our detriment, and maybe even to our demise. It's time for something different, and time is short.

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» RE: ethink, retrench, redo Posted by: VZEQICVA
ON A ROLL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 16, 2008 8:08 AM   
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So for years we had a steady stream of water running and filling a bucket that had a small hole in the bottom. That was fine because it was a very small hole. But as it grew larger, the water pressure was reduced. The bucket began to empty faster than it filled. Anyone pointing out the 'hole in the bucket' was told to shut up.(evidence, Elliot Spitzer).It's the time to buy, anything just buy. So people did just that. For some a second or third home, for others more frequent trips to Walmart. For traders it was a free for all. The current Admin. was opposed to any rules or regulations. Anyone proposing banking or securuties rules was fired. Worth mentioning, war ain't cheap. While it's true that greed plays a role, the major responsibility lies with those who run our country. Think of the long list of things that they just don't care about. Iraq, Katrina, home forclosures, job loss. Is this the job of our president, it sure is. So, indifference and ignorance ruled and most of the population didn't even notice. I wonder if yesterday snapped them out of their oblivion. Markets have crashed before and we do survive. What's different now is that so much of the populations just doesn't want to be bothered. Barak Obama is right. People have got to turn off the TV and get involved and informed. The responsibilty for the last 8 years lies with the voters, more accurately, the non-voters. McCain continues to gain and in some polls pass Obama and this shouldn't be. In defense of the Republicans I'll say that they do 'stand by their man'. Looks like it's working, again. Thanks, ANNA

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Giant nuclear loan giveaway bill
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 16, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Unlimited loan guarantees for construction of new atomic reactors.

That's right, unlimited. As much money-hundreds of billions of dollars--as everyone in the nuclear industry wants, when it wants, for as long as it wants.

This would destroy our ability to effectively address the climate crisis. It's a disaster for our economy, for our nation, for our planet.

Even in the middle of a presidential election, they're trying to rush this through. How do our Senators think they can get away with this?

http://www.nirs.org/neconomics/nuclearsubsidies2008.pdf

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008
/9/12/101311/374/1006/595991

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And What Are you doing about it?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Go ahead, hope and vote for Obama. He is just another corporate candidate. Where did he come from anyway? He was the "dark" horse (not a racial slur, meant). The corporate owners of the country wanted Obama more than Clinton. Why? Because Obama is more apt to maintain the ruling elite status and power.

Or will you vote for the other corporate candidate? He is second runner up. Why does not the corporate elite want McCain instead of Obama? Because McCain is unpredictable. Obama is a good house negro, he will do as his master want without coaching.

Either of the two above candidates is trouble for the middle class.

So what will you do about it?

yeah, go back to sleep and dream the "American Dream."

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» RE: And What Are you doing about it? Posted by: Richard House
Why is this addressed as a Surprise? Pyramid schemes are suppose to be against the law.
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Why is this addressed as a Surprise? Pyramid schemes are suppose to be against the law.

I've been telling everyone for years that this was inevitable.
My Father who died in 1993 kept telling me all though his years, "there is NO WAY (referring to the economy) this country can last past the year 2000". Well he was only a few years off!
Curious how the Train Wreck in California coincides with the bursting of this pustule boil.

Somehow no one wants to accept the truth that the debt based system run by a private corporation (the Federal Reserve) and insurance Corporate investment cartel to secure people from economic disaster is a pyramid scheme that will and has finally caught up with the roulette wheel of stacked odds.

Now to top off the burial ground headstone comes overwhelming natural disasters from another hurricane season. The Fed simply can not repair this Bush Titanic.

Now that the Chinese, Japanese, South Koreans, Belgium, Germans, and of course Saudi Arabia are holding United States Bonds in Multi Trillions of dollars, because Bush had to have his war, The United States is screwed. The bastard Republicans in the "loop" have never had any in tension of paying off the debt or capabilities to do so.
The "tax payers", currently living and for generations to come, can not possible carry the load of debt.

You see holding the Government accountable for allowing this all to transpire goes back at least as far as 1913. And all those bastards that lead us down this path are dead and gone.

Now don't let the Bastards off this time around. They are not the answer to the problems. They are the cause.

I told everyone in blogs and on the street. But somehow everyone put their faith in the "System" and wouldn't listen or accept sound reason.
People wouldn't listen to Ron Paul either who's been working diligently to show the way out. Hundreds of wise ones not in the "loop" of power have been trying to teach and show the path.
But most everyone stupid ass moron driven by personal gain, while having nothing really to offer the country but pie in the sky double talk, have made this all happen.

SO I say let all these compliant, brown nose, kiss ass, lolly gagers, keep buying the lies, the manipulation of the snake oil merchants.

That whole line of shit from the Fed as this being a "cycle" of boom and bust......Well it didn't have to be unless it was planned to be.

The fact of the matter is all these bastards holding the reins of world economic control have known that the policies allowed to evolve to this point are guilty of mismanagement, but more likely by default, intentionally driving this train wreck head-on (" Just apply it to your forehead") into a crater the world has yet to realize.

There is going to be hell to pay.
I have no pitty for those that wouldn't pay attention and just continued with their psasive, "Same ol', same ol' " attitudes, going through their daily little jobs, without screaming out daily.

If you don't educate yourself, shame on you. Because if you don't, DON'T expect to get the truth out of the system. They've been lying all along this path to hell.

Facing the truth is your only freedom.
Now start taking some of these bastard Repuks in Washington out.
Just because!

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Great Article
Posted by: DragonOak on Sep 16, 2008 9:49 AM   
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Well thought out and very plain to see. The only problem is there is a very large portion of the American public that can not read (cut backs in education and the attempt to dissolve the department of education) let alone understand economic principles.

The real problem is that the Conservatives know how to take advantage of this limited understanding. They know how to produce a frenzy of fanatical belief just based on basic words and ideas. While everyone one of us should be VERY alarmed at the recent new of economic events (even though they have been eight years in the coming they just have been covered up very well) most fanatical followers of the Republican party do NOT have a clue on what all this means. These fanatics stand waving their patriotic flags as their jobs are shipped overseas, their homes foreclosed upon, as they die for simple diseases due to lack of health care, and as their (and mine) sons fight an unjust war.

I am just waiting for the fanatics to come out and blame Clinton for our economic situation. It has been the popular flow of thought for the last 8 years.

DragonOak

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When America lets go, the pain will stop!
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 AM   
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The System of selfish greed was wrong from the gitmo.

The economical model based an infinite growth market, which is based on an ever increasing captialistic population of conspicous consumption is what has lead to this cronic cancer that is distroying the the earths very life giving habitat.

To say It is "Obsolete" is to say it was appropriate at one time. That is not true because the domino affect has caught up with the size of our game board. There is no more room to play the game that way. Therefore those that believed or nievely proceeded with that blind optomism were ignoring, by stupidity, the fact that economic syetems as well as ecological systems do not have an infinit ability to obsorb stress any more than people do.

SO now the economic system is on life support!
How long do we keep this cronic deteriorating malignantcy alive?
At what cost will the economic medical bills be able to pay.

Like an old decrepid crippled dying man, the end is in sight.
The pain persists because the society is attached to an illusion.
When we let go the pain will stop and we can all live a new, with a fresh outlook and approach to living at peace, sustainably.

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conspirators dream
Posted by: cbishopp on Sep 16, 2008 10:52 AM   
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There is a lot of anger out there and we all want someone to blame. This fractional reserve system is based on debt and illusion and sooner or later it was going to cave. The anger comes from all of us whom have little to invest but will have to cover the tab in their daily expenses of food and fuel.
Are GW and his administration really this dumb? Did we all just march into this by accident to the war drums of freedom from terror and the dream to make a world safe for democracy?
Maybe someone out there WANTS to hurt this country. Maybe there are those who in reality made a fortune on this crash, increased vast control over the financial sector and swept US property values under the rug.
The deep accounting problems with AIG have been common knowledge since 2005. This is (at least) the third occasion where JP Morgan companies have rescued the US economy from certain demise (not that it's assistance prevented the great crash or the resulting depression).
It is a random coincidence that the stock market and the psyche of the American people are brought to all time lows on two occasions? Both this crash and the attacks in New York happened in early September and neatly bookend the worst presidency in history.
I don't know anything other than that I feel abused and used and that this is no accident.

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More dominoes coming
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 16, 2008 10:59 AM   
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Several years ago, Bank Boston got itself in big trouble making bad loans in Argentina. Fleet Bank bought their remains.

Then Fleet Bank got in trouble. The Bank of America bought their remains.

The Bank of America then sunk a couple billion into Countrywide mortgage company, then had to buy the whole thing out as Countrywide went down. Now B of A has bought up Merrill Lynch (Pierce, Fenner, and Bean originally, nee "and Smith") for $50B to stave off Merrill Lynch's bankruptcy.

Draw your own conclusions.

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Poor understanding of Republican Economics
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 16, 2008 11:44 AM   
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The reason Republicans reduce taxes on the rich is because by letting them keep their money they invest it, make more, and pay more in taxes. This is why the richest 10% pay 50% of the taxes, and the poorest 50% of Americans pay only 9%. If you do the math, you will realize the rich have paid a larger percentage of the tax burden during Bush than Clnton, letting us save big. France taxes the rich. That's why even the poor in France lose half of their pay in taxes, make lower wages, have a higher cost of living, have a larger deficit, deeper debt, and have unemployment twice as high as ours. By taking the money from their rich, there's no one to invest in French businesses and create jobs, not to mention pay the taxes. The rich lose close to half of their income to the government, which squanders it on pork rather than investing it in the country and creating our jobs. The average resident of New Jersey makes twice as much as their Swedish counterpart, pays half as much in taxes, and pays roughly 20% less for the products they buy.

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Obvious
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 16, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Yes it is pretty obvious that we are in for trouble. The funny thing is, the MORONS we have in the Whitehouse, and one running for that position (McBush) will look you square in the eye and tell you everything is just hunky dory.

JIff
Is your ISP watching you?

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» RE: Obvious Posted by: VZEQICVA
Even more fundamental ...
Posted by: wjfaust on Sep 16, 2008 12:19 PM   
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This is an interesting analysis of a maladroit growth economy hijacked by ideologues and self-seeking greedheads. But when will we get to the really fundamental issue of the futility of unending growth in a finite container--the planet Earth? At some point, it won't simply be human malfeasance that brings this economy crashing down, it will be our mindless attempts to transcend ecological limits.

Maybe the Anthropocene will mark not only the geological epoch when the human species became the first species to actually disrupt the bio-geo-chemical cycles of the entire planet. Maybe it will also mark the beginning of that species descent.

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