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Can Progressives Love Obama?

By David Moberg, In These Times. Posted September 10, 2008.


Obama has always been more centrist than many have wanted to admit. But it's the possibility of what his presidency can deliver that's so important.

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After Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) secured his party's nomination in June, his tightly knit campaign message began to fray at the edges. Critics from across the political spectrum charge that Obama has shifted to the center or right on a host of issues, and that the flip-flopping was -- take your pick -- good, bad, inevitable or duplicitous.

Progressives, whose hopes for Obama grew from his early opposition to the war in Iraq, and the youthful movement his candidacy inspired, wondered how much they could trust him on Iraq, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, civil liberties, gun control, the death penalty, trade, government funding of faith-based groups and other issues.

Disappointed as some progressives may be, Obama has not made a dramatic shift to the center: He's always been more centrist, cautious and compromising than many of his supporters -- and critics -- have wanted to admit.

"I don't think he's changed positions," says Robert Borosage, co-director of the progressive advocacy group, Campaign for America's Future. "He's always been a cautious liberal."

The Wall Street Journal took the supposed changes as Obama's admission that the conservative positions on most issues were correct, and concluded that Obama, as much as Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), would represent a third term for Bush.

Right-wing anti-Obama groups warned their followers that a devious Obama was trying to woo evangelicals from the conservative fold. McCain's backers used the controversies to tarnish Obama's character and disillusion his supporters.

Meanwhile, centrists rejoice that the middle -- wherever that shifting spot may be -- is always best. And a few on the left find evidence, once again, that no Democrat can be trusted.

Even if Obama is more consistent than critics allege, questions still haunt progressives. Does an Obama presidency promise dramatic and progressive change, as his rhetoric sometimes suggests? Or will Obama simply shift from Bush's neoconservatism back to the confused -- if slightly less conservative -- perspective of the Democratic Party establishment?

And what president would Obama most resemble? A Lincolnesque figure who would bring national unity (without a civil war), as Obama often implies?

A Clinton, who campaigned to "put people first" -- as he had put it -- but failed to take bold steps and ended up triangulating political differences?

A Kennedy, who inspired millions but got dragged down by conventional assumptions about American power in the world, as evidenced by the Vietnam War and Bay of Pigs?

Or, as many on the left fantasize, an FDR running a conservative campaign but responding to the times with dramatic reforms?

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The character of an Obama presidency will depend not just on Obama but also on worsening world conditions that demand a new direction -- economic collapse and financial instability, environmental and energy crises, failure of a military approach to terrorism, worsening inequality and insecurity for most Americans.

It also will depend on opportunities, such as the size of a Democratic congressional majority, and pressures, including demands from popular movements at home for an end to the war, single-payer national health insurance and worker rights, as well as high expectations from nations and leaders around the world.

What Obama says as a candidate does affect his chances of winning. It can also skew the direction of his potential presidency and demonstrate his will -- and ability -- to be a forceful leader.

In most of the controversies, Obama has maintained previous positions that often departed from progressive orthodoxy.

On other points, however, he has shifted in disappointing ways.

Obama broke his promise to vote against and filibuster the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) re-authorization. The measure included immunity from prosecution for the telecommunications companies that aided the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping of citizens.

"There is no reason why telephone companies should be given blanket immunity to cover violations of the rights of the American people," Obama had said in February. "We must reaffirm that no one in this country is above the law."

But in June, Obama told reporters that the FISA compromise was an improvement since it would put an "inspector general in place to investigate what happened previously." He continued: "Given ... all the information I received ... the underlying program itself actually is important and useful to American security as long as it has these constraints on them."

Though Obama didn't change his views on the merits of the legislation, his vote for the bill -- which passed easily, thanks to many Democrats' defections -- angered civil libertarians and the left blogosphere.


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He broke his promise on the most important bill this year
Posted by: Uriahz on Sep 10, 2008 12:33 AM   
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No forgiveness for Obama for FISA. He's a fascist like the rest of them. It is unpardonable treason, every bit of that foul abomination of a law. It is the jenkem of democracy. Tyranny has been officially endorsed by Senator Obama.

Hell no there's no way for a real progressive to love Obama. He's just another stinking Washington Democrat, only worth voting for because he's not as bad as that traitor McCain.

Maybe there'll be some FDR-like shit to come out of it, but I ain't holding my breath.

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Read the Fine Print ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 10, 2008 12:35 AM   
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The rhetorical gymnastics explaining why Obama isn't a flip flopper was breath taking. The "Careful Liberal" pronouncement was priceless. The nuance of the Obama positioning postulation, genius.

Hold your nose and vote for Obama? Include me out. I will make my vote count and vote Green. I will not now or ever vote DLC again.

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 10, 2008 1:03 AM   
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This is a very useful round-up on Obama and his centrist position on a number of issues.

From here in Europe we see Obama as having two large handicaps - no doubt explaining why he had no 'surge' after the remarkable Democrat Convention, while McCain had a big one after the down-beat Republican one.

1. he is 'black' and racism in America is far more powerful than here in Europe,
2. the Democratic party is widely perceived as 'progressive', 'liberal', 'politically correct' - meaning to many, especially in the 'red' states, that Democrats are out to bury the traditional moral values of the US.

So it would seem sensible - as people like Mark J. Penn (ex-election fixer for the Clintons) advise - for Obama to distance himself from this part of the Democratic party's image.

But after Mrs Palin's electrification of the Republican image (thanks to Karl Rove's genius)
Obama must equally electrify his campaign.

Three suggestions -

1. present himself in a major speech and in the debates with McCain as the statesman he really is: warn that not just the US but the whole world is right now at a crossroads. Will America go on down the G W Bush road of confrontation to the Pentagon vision of eternal war - or will America take a turn and lead towards the era of cooperation made possible by the end of the Cold War? Only taking that road will make possible solving the immense problems all countries face. (Something on those lines?)

2. Make sure everyone knows that the economic & financial woes of ordinary voters stem directly from G W Bush going to war on tax cut for the rich, coupled with his right wing ideology of de-regulation in the financial sector. Something McCain "doesn't get".

3. And inspire us all with that promise to set up a programme to find other sources of energy than oil within ten years. (What happened to that vote-catcher?)

For more - please see our site at
www. dipconsult.eu

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Runoff Ballots, Rurul America, Iraq(instead of Afghanistan), and "Follow the Leader"
Posted by: jreal on Sep 10, 2008 1:13 AM   
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To win, give in to their hearts.

To show his true progressive values, Obama should be telling America that he will mandate a national Runoff ballot so third parties can gain more notoriety. So for all those Naderites, or people who wish Ron Paul was still in as an independent or third party candidate, well in 4 years, you can vote with your heart and not worry about losing to the "worst" candidate.

Barack showing his support for runoff ballots shows his support for progressive politics. If Barack supports this one initiative, Barack will win the presidency. Repuclicans are too scared of choice.


Barack should also connect the dots for rural America that Liberals are better for sportsman and hunters. Liberals look out for their playground and make sure the eco-system is thriving and acknowledge that hunting is needed to keep the eco-system in check. He should also remind rural America about his support for gun rights.

He should also remind rural america that Republicans will be the first to sell off their wild life playgrounds to the first lobbyist-tied industry fat-cat to create slave-wage jobs right in the middle of their hunting grounds and poisoning their fishing holes as well.

Republicans are the ones that make rural america seem poverty-stricken. With Democrats in charge, rural America is more of a rich culture than a culture full of negative stereotypes.


I would also like to see Barack pound the message more that he was correct to not invade Iraq and create a magnate for terrorism instead of chasing the real enemy that attacked us. This act of arrogance(invading Iraq) has increased terrorism exponentially. And McCain still says it was right.


And with McCain picking a woman for vice, after Democrats paved the way, and after McCain switched his theme to change, Barack should ask McCain why he's playing "follow the leader." Come on America just vote for the real thing.


And by the way, he should use the pig in lipstick line over and over again sometimes rephrasing it with pig in a mask, until all American understand that Republicans are pigs, and it's John McCain he's talking about.

Maybe a few messages as to why they're pigs might help.

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BOTH "TICKETS" STINK
Posted by: sallyride on Sep 10, 2008 1:16 AM   
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Americans are just waking up! We've been played with, coddleD into passivity;lied to, and these candidates have apparently forgotten that we own America -- "We the people. . . " NO ONE ELSE.

We let our country be sold to our creditors, while we fiddled; we've let an illegal war grow, yet not once did Congress enact any sensible war-time domestic strategies (like energy and materials conservation, the DRAFT, etc...), which only means they knew they wouldn't be accepted over such a pharsical war. Now our nation is bankrupt, and the MIDDLE CLASS is being blamed (but, there's more of them!!!).

Now, we have to listen to a sceaming, inexperienced bumpkin from ALASKA no less, telling us about her God and her goodness in every few paragraphs, then hear it from Obama! BASTA. Get rid of the family-shows, and religion, and get to work, candidates.

Until "DC" can get back to respecting, and serving us,"We the people..." at least STOP telling us who to vote for, who to worship, how to believe, how to think, but most of all stop lying, and start saving America or "GO HOME!" Both tickets have 'bundled' doantions, both taking $$$$ from lobbyists - yet both act like SAINTS - people of the lie.

The Republicans and Democrats are an international abomination - they will not be paid again to further destroy us. Americans are still powerful, and that's going to mean removing people from office who ever try again to ruin our country for their own largesse - RETURN YOUR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, NOW.

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Obama, Kerry, Gore
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 10, 2008 1:34 AM   
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When will the Dipocrits ever learn? Palin is a hood ornament and to allow the media and neocons to deflect attention from Bush/Cheney and McCain to her constitutes mental paralysis. Kerry and Gore ran pathetic campaigns and Rove gutted both. He's doing it again because the Dipocrits have no response. Progressives/liberals have had no voice in America other than Kucinich in the House and Feingold in the Senate....both disfavored among party elites. Howard Dean has valiantly tried to carve a new image and direction but he can never get past the elite Dipocrits that shackle the DNC and its attempts at development. And where the hell is Obamarama? Watch his speeches now and tell me he isn't running for Class President rather than President of the U.S. FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson he ain't but he damned sure might be Carter [I lusted in my mind looking at Playboy] or Dukakis [Willie Horton deserves a break, even if he raped my wife] or Clinton [I smoked but I didn't inhale; a blowjob isn't sexual intercourse] or Gore [didn't carry his home state of TN and debased himself and party by failing to heed the demand of House blacks to challenge Bush/Gore outcome in congress] or Kerry [swift-boated to deserved oblivion] and now Obamarama [abandoned the utterly correct Rev. Wright and now shies from Palin's pentacostal lunacy that makes Wright look like Mother Theresa]. Kucinich was and is the man but that day will never arrive. four years from now we will hear from Hillary again but this time she will be running against Palin and that dear friends is the end of America!

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It's not about "love," for Christ's sake!
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 10, 2008 1:57 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Manchurian Candidate McCain and his Hockey Mom running mate win in November, the United States of America will become the most ridiculed nation in history -- worse than when it was under George W.'s watch.

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below
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YES because 'Progress' Refers to the Ability to move forward
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 10, 2008 3:14 AM   
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I just attended a 'progressive' Dem meeting last night, We are all behind Sen Obama.
Granted there are issues we differ with him on but We know we have a chance of getting our Voices heard in an Obama Adminstration
Most notably is his Healthcare plan vs Rep Conyers HR 676. Progressives WANT Universal Single payer Healthcare.Sen Obama's health plan still involves the insurance Corps. However, his plan is far more superior to Mac's 'Aspirin & Bandaid' Plan
We would also like to end the War in Afghanistan, but realize our first focus must be getting out of Iraq where We had NO need or Right to invade.
We hated the FISA vote- however are cognizant of the fact the bill did NOT give Immunity from Criminal prosecution- only immunity for Civil prosecution. 'Revenge' a Dish best served Cold.
Frankly it would be fool hearty to believe that for as far Off the track as this country has gone in the last 30 yrs, can we MAGICALLY reverse these long standing trends and entrenchments-By Corps and by Koolaid drinking Right wing voters.The so called 'Moral Majority' moved US far to the extremeist Right over the last 3 decades, just returning to Center would be 'Progress'!!!
What does make US thrilled is the return to Constitutionality/Rule of Law, to 'from the bottom up' economics, to Green energy incentives, to small Farming to provide livings, safe food and true animal husbandry,To Diplomacy before Military actions,...To Citizens (Not Corps) Right to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!
It has taken 3 decades for Cheney corp to fuck this country up totally, it may take US a term or two to get back at least what we have lost, then we can proceed forward.It's all about the right direction and Progression forward Towards our country's true Potential!
anyone who calls themselves "progressive" and is still supporting Nadar or Barr, must realize there is Koolaid on their Lip too. Nadar has done NOTHING innearly 40 yrs- EXCEPT play the Role of a Red Herring
Barr i snot a Libertarian, he was run out of the Repug Party, bu twas a full fledged card carrying member of the Corp Whores in Red. Instead of watching what was happening in Our economy and Corp legislation being run through Congress in the second half of the '90's Barr was mersmerized by Bill's 'Forum' BJ Story. His lack of Priorities began this downward economic spiral in the late '90's and gave way for More Corp Abuse of Power.
Ron Paul is certainly far closer to the Progressives on many issues- but he's out of the Game ( like Kucinich) and has a very Myopic view of US in the world- Sorry can't turn off Reality- We are in a Global community due to Technology- 'Resistance is Feudal'
Real Progressives have been Waging this Battle for Decades, we have been ignored, ridiculed, maligned and undermined, but we are still fighting.We've been around a few blocks and have heard Many so called "progressive" blow smoke up our asses or Work in direct conflict to our goals.Nor are we the spoiled lil' voters who demand everything be OUR way,We Know Progress comes by taking the first Steps Forward, and through compromise which comes with Dialogue. We are not the Blind and ruthless 'Religious Right',So we don't act like them!We Realize and HONOR the FACT we live in a DEMOCRACY! Our job is to help others see what we have seen for Decades- The Overthrow of Our Democratic Free market by Corp interests and control.WE work on From the point of Reality- not illusions.

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It's not about Obama, but about the neocons
Posted by: Hans B on Sep 10, 2008 3:19 AM   
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As this article says, Obama is a centrist. If elected, he'll be slightly to the left of Clinton and slightly to the right of Carter. But that is not really the issue.

The overriding question is whether the neocon revolution will be continued and consolidated - perhaps rendered "permanent".

You either condone the neocons' power-grab and the fascist state they promise, or you don't. Voting "progressive" is condoning it, just as not voting is. Whether one likes Obama or not, he's the only thing standing between the neocons and the White House - and a SCOTUS majority that will last decades. Shoot him down and it's not Nader who will march to power, it's Rove and his ilk.

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If B.O. could be B.O.
Posted by: Blink on Sep 10, 2008 4:07 AM   
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he would be as Leftist as one could get. He knows, however, that he can't get elected by showing his true colors. Therefore, he stutters and stammers when asked a question that requires him to talk off the top of his head, because he is constantly weighing his words to not scare the general voting public while at the same time not alienate his hardcore Leftist base.

He is a political windsock and coward. He is not a thinker but rather has created a thoughtful pose that goes over well with a lot of stupid people, especially guilt-ridden whites. He is in the midst of a political meltdown, of which you are going to see on full display during the debates.

PRESIDENT PALIN 2012!!!

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if the realistic choice is between Palin and Obama (and it is) then consider what they represent
Posted by: Suzon on Sep 10, 2008 4:30 AM   
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Palin is a bona fide member of the screwin', breedin' and killin' branch of humankind--an exciting dynamic certain to galvanize many Americans.

Obama represents intelligence, thoughtfulness and inclusiveness. Is there any doubt that the Obama/Biden ticket is a significant improvement on McCain/Palin?

A vote for a third party is a vote for regressive politics, regardless of whatever policies that the candidates themselves may promote. It is just about as self-indulgent and immature as voting directly for the loose cannons.

Especially given the likelihood that vote rigging is going to take place.

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Obama Has Not Changed...Only News Media
Posted by: spiderweb on Sep 10, 2008 4:54 AM   
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Unfortunately news plays an important part of one's life IF YOU LISTEN to it without having any knowledge of what is going on in the world today....You will judge news on emotions. Obama has not changed his fundamental issues on the conditions of what is happening in our economy, environment, foreign policy, and health care. I truly believe that the only way to solve all this rhectoric by the news media is to use common sense. Just look at all the campaigns we have had. Who has run a better campaign with honesty, less attacks on opponents, truth and integrity? Obama has!!! The only change he has made is to become tougher against the status quo. For those who have emotions running on this November election, it's wise to gather your knowledge and put ALL emotions aside. Use truth and integrity as your guide. Let no one influence you because of uncontrollable emotions. Vote the issues and you will vote Obama. Vote emotions and you will set us back into the centuries we have once experienced.

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No time for petulance -
Posted by: seazen on Sep 10, 2008 5:01 AM   
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We all should be as stirred up as possible about this election because so much is at stake this time. The arrogance, greed, and bullying that has taken place over the past 8 years on behalf of the "very rich" has brought our economy, our military, our health care system, and our national standing in the world to the point of ruin. Progressives of all types should be angry - because we care about the country, the future, justice, and the common good.

In the end, however, we MUST vote and we must get as many other people as possible to vote to put an end to the dominance of the crooks. To not vote because Barack is not sounding progressive "enough" would be a huge mistake and brings accountability for the results. The only way we can shove this society back to some semblance of a free, democratic, open society is to stay at it.

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Make McCain's Day
Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 10, 2008 5:02 AM   
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Go ahead: Show your independence by voting for a Green, a Libertarian, or some other fringe party candidate as a "protest" against the "centrist" Obama.

McCain/Palin will thank you ... and I'm sure they'll listen to your point of view when they take office.

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No
Posted by: EinMD on Sep 10, 2008 6:15 AM   
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I'm voting against McSame and 4 more years of Bush combined with the Vagina he tapped for the vice president's seat to appease Clinton hissy-fitters and the right wingnuts who hate him.

I am not voting FOR Obama and if there was a strong third party candidate that A. Fit with my paradigm and B. Had a chance in hell he wouldn't even be getting that.

Obama lost my vote when he freaking sold us all out to protect AT&T, thus letting the Criminal in Chief walk.

So no, I can't 'love' him. He's a damned politician like all the rest. He's not a messiah, he's the lesser of two evils at best and he's off to a poor start for even that.

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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 10, 2008 6:16 AM   
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I think given the alternative (McBush) Obama is clearly the lesser of the two evils. In fact, if McBush is elected, we might as well just all kiss it goodbye.

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