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As Sarah Palin's Family Life Becomes Public, Will She Stay on the GOP Ticket?

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted September 1, 2008.


In 1972, Tom Eagleton was the Democratic VP nominee for 18 days when another private drama became public.

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The questions surrounding the family life of the putative Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, are deepening and not going to go away, despite efforts by Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain to move on to other issues.

In the past 36 hours, a Daily Kos blogger assembled photographs and other documentation alleging that Palin was the grandmother, not the mother of five-month-old Trig Palin, the infant she has said is her fifth child. The Kos reports said that Palin has been "lying" for months about the infant's parentage, in order to protect the child's real mother, her 17-year-old daughter.

Then on Monday, in response to a Reuters report about those allegations, the McCain campaign released a statement from Sarah and Todd Palin that said their 17-year-old daughter was now pregnant, and would carry the baby and soon marry the father. The campaign's response implies that Palin's daughter could not be the five-month-old infant's mother because of her current pregnancy.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," the Palins' statement said. "We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

Asked Monday, Obama said the Palin pregnancy should be "off limits."

"Let me be as clear as possible... I think people's families are off limits and people's children are especially off limits," he said while campaigning in Michigan, adding his mother was 18 years old when she gave birth. "It has no relevance to Governor Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as vice president."

There is little chance the media will respect the Palin family's privacy, not when there are legitimate larger questions about what the surprise choice of Palin as McCain's running mate reveals about the GOP presidential candidate's judgment and temperament. The facts surrounding the Palin family's pregnancies may not become known, but they do suggest the Alaska governor will at the very least have many distractions while she is campaigning this fall, to say nothing of her fitness to become commander-in-chief.

Whether Palin will remain on the 2008 GOP ticket is not a matter of idle speculation. Recent presidential campaigns have seen candidacies abruptly end after candidates are caught lying or are burdened by the disclosure of personal issues that question their ability to lead.

Just 20 years ago, the Democrats' vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Deleware) saw his own presidential bid implode after he plagiarized British politician Neil Kinnock. Even this weekend, that ghost resurfaced as Obama and Biden were jointly interviewed on CBS News 60 Minutes. Ironically, as the Palin story was unfolding, ABC Reporter Steve Kroft reminded Biden of the plagarism episode and noted today's GOP was planning a campaign ad about it.

"I made a mistake 20, 21, 22 years ago," Biden told ABC. "I was arrogant. I didn't think I had to prepare. I showed up at the debate and I failed to quote somebody. A guy named Neil Kinnock. And I just ask people and everyone else, look at the last 20 years of my career since that allegation occurred."

A closer analogy would the fate of Thomas Eagleton, who for 18 days in 1972 was the vice presidential running mate of Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern. Eagleton, who died in March 2007, at the time was a 42-year-old Democratic Senator from Missouri. He failed to tell the McGovern campaign's vice presidential selection team that he had been treated for depression, including electroshock therapy.

His New York Times obituary describes what transpired next.

"On July 13, 1972, Frank Mankiewicz, a top McGovern aide, asked Mr. Eagleton if there was anything in his background that might embarrass the campaign.

Mr. Eagleton said there was not. He did not tell Mr. Mankiewicz that he had been hospitalized three times for depression and that his treatment twice involved electroshock therapy.

But rumors began circulating among politicians and journalists. Mr. Eagleton held a news conference on July 25 in Custer, S.D., where he had just briefed the vacationing Mr. McGovern over breakfast. Mr. Eagleton told reporters that he had been treated for "nervous exhaustion." But in response to questions, he acknowledged that the treatment had included psychiatric counseling and electric shocks.

That day Mr. McGovern said, "I think Tom Eagleton is fully qualified in mind, body and spirit to be the vice president of the United States and, if necessary, to take on the presidency on a moment's notice." As objections to Mr. Eagleton mounted, Mr. McGovern insisted that he was "1,000 percent for Tom Eagleton."

But the pressure from party leaders, campaign contributors and members of Mr. McGovern's own staff was unrelenting. On July 31, the candidates met again, this time in Washington, and Mr. McGovern forced Mr. Eagleton to withdraw. He stepped down after 18 days as the nominee, saying he had done so for the sake of "party unity."

Are the Palin pregnancies a more private matter than Eagleton's shock therapy?

Today, the national media and McCain campaign are focused on not distracting the nation's attention from Hurricane Gustav, as it bears down on the Gulf Coast and tests New Orleans' refurbished levies and storm fortifications. But once those high waters subside, the McCain campaign will be forced to answer some questions.

The stakes here are deeper than the usual sniping in presidential campaigns, which will no doubt revisit Palin's record as governor -- including allegations of abusing her office to take revenge on her ex-brother-in-law in a messy divorce. The question is not whether she made right and noble choices to protect her daughter, but if her repeated public statements were lies, suggesting a temperament unfit for high office.

If that is the case, McCain will have shown the nation that his hasty judgment in selecting Palin reveals another, more serious character flaw: a recklessness with decision-making. Proving that he is a maverick Republican is not the same as being presidential.

In politics, the truth always comes out. Tom Eagleton's ghost is stirring.

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Steven Rosenfeld is a Senior Fellow at AlterNet.org, where he reports on elections from a voting rights perspective. His books include Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting (AlterNet Books, 2008), What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election (The New Press, 2006), and Making History in Vermont: The Election of a Socialist to Congress (Hollowbrook Publishing, 1992). An award-winning journalist, he has been a staff reporter at National Public Radio, Monitor Radio, TomPaine.com, and at daily and weekly newspapers in Vermont.

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Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 1, 2008 3:03 PM   
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Sarah Palin was part of a 527 fundraising entity for Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. Huffingtonpost.com has the article sourced from an Alaska newspaper. This, to me, is far more troubling than the fact that Palin's 17-yr old daughter is pregnant. Although, that story begs the question of Palin's opinion on sex education and birth control.

Palin's personal life could be an issue, but the bigger issue is her fundamentalist Christian ideology, that will bleed into any decision-making or policy-making that she might be allowed to do.

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» RE: 527 Posted by: VZEQICVA
sex can save your soul?
Posted by: edgar1 on Sep 1, 2008 3:05 PM   
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wow, those christian chicks are hot!

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» RE: sex can save your soul? Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE: sex can save your soul? Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: sex can save your soul? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: sex can save your soul? Posted by: Opinionator
» RE: sex can save your soul? Posted by: john mont
WASHINGTON DC IS NOT A SMALLTOWN IN ALASKA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 1, 2008 3:20 PM   
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Realistically I'm don't know how she can survive. She a big fish in a little bowl and seems to get her way with her looks and or temper.She's not ready for the big time. A pregnant daughter is the least of it. She may not be stupid by she sure is naive. She's probably never even been on a crowded train or bus. Is she really ready to sign on for 4 years 24/7 ? I don't think so. I'm personally not willing to pay the price to find out. ANNA

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AIP
Posted by: MarkInOhio on Sep 1, 2008 3:23 PM   
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Even worse than the 527 connection is Palin's active involvement (pre-mayor, in the sportscaster-and-beauty-queen days) with the Alaska Independence Party, which advocates secession from the US. Remember when South Carolina wanted to secede?

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» RE: AIP Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Big plus? Posted by: Evelyn
Eagleton was a lot cleaner than Palin.
Posted by: jwverez on Sep 1, 2008 3:31 PM   
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I'd love to see Palin lose her VP status for giving motherhood a bad rap !

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Are family values off limits too?
Posted by: crashgrab on Sep 1, 2008 3:39 PM   
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Obama says Palin's daughter's pregnancy "has no relevance to Governor Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as vice president." But what about the millions of Republicans who have been making family values an issue for the last few decades. I guess all the other family values issues are off the table too then.

This is ridiculous. I sure hope those self-righteous religious conservatives don't vote for this woman. But what would self-righteousness be without hypocrisy.

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» Palin's views ARE on topic Posted by: IntnsRed
» RE: Palin's views ARE on topic Posted by: crashgrab
» Use it, abuse it, I hate politics Posted by: Elmowilcox
Perhaps Now
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 1, 2008 3:40 PM   
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Perhaps now she will realize that Abstinence Education does not work for most people . There is a reason for Birth Control and it is useful in preventing abortions .Sadly the Relegious crazies also Oppose IT .
The idea that two high school students should marry just because the created a child is wrong . They are unshaped Human Beings . God knows there are thousands of couples who would love to adopt the baby and who would be MATURE and LOVING Parents

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» RE: Perhaps Now Posted by: crashgrab
» RE: Perhaps Now Posted by: Annarisse
» RE: Perhaps Now Posted by: luzmejor
Gov. Palin still can't pass the smell test
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 1, 2008 4:07 PM   
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Question: how does a 43 year old get pregnant?

Answer: oh, a little wine, a little soft music...

Question: Did Governor Palin try to get pregnant while Governor? Isn't that a job and a half?

Question: what was the baby's birthday? This was curious all the time I was reading up on the issue.

Question: How does Gov. Palin stay so incredibly slim at her age? What's her secret? Did she work out at the gym like crazy for 4 months? The average new mom would still be as fat as, -- as fat as Bristol is.

New Question: so, did hockey mom ever wear a pillow on her stomach? Was she into deceit for her own evangelical-fueled career?

New Question: Is McCain such a stooge? Did Gidget pull the wool over geezer's eyes? Twice?

Final Questions: Is this one going back to Alaska? When? So, does Joe Lieberman look all that bad now? (yes he does, but whatever.)

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Dems stand to lose if they attack Palin
Posted by: ericdondero on Sep 1, 2008 4:29 PM   
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Sarah Palin is a libertarian Republican. Libertarians absolutely adore her.

In 2006, the Democrats made an extreme effort to win over Libertarian support. Markos Moulitas, TNR and other top Lefties, posted article after article about how the Donkey Party was the best home for wayward libertarians unhappy with the GOP.

Now, here we are two years later, and those same sources are attacking one of the most respected libertarian Governors in the Nation.

Kiss the libertarian swing vote Goodbye Democrats. You all just screwed up royally. We Libertarians have taken notice of your savage attacks on our gal Sarah Palin.

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» Libertarian? You've got to be kidding! Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian
Hypocrisy
Posted by: realguy on Sep 1, 2008 4:44 PM   
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I wonder what republican reaction would have been, if during the 1996 presidential election the Clintons announced that Chelsea were pregnant.

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» RE: Hypocrisy Posted by: mgmyers79
» RE: Hypocrisy Posted by: dangerouslysane
» RE: Hypocrisy GOOD CALL! Posted by: VZEQICVA
McCain's sop to the religious wing-nuts; Harriet Meirs Mk II?
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Sep 1, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Did you know it's a mortal sin to use a condom during pre-marital sex? (sarcasm, folks)

The Repuglicans simply delight in cynically turning identity politics on its head; remember Clarance Thomas, Harriet Meirs? Clearly NOT QUALIFIED, but used as sops to certain "constituencies" like a cruel joke and look what we're stuck with now?

McCain really wanted Lieberman, and may still get him; Palin may just be his sop of the religious right-wing-nuts in his party. Once she implodes it'll free McSenile to choose whomever he wants (in the face of a "political emergency") hoping that the wing-nutters will vote for him because he at least tried to molify them with Palin.

As far as the whole who-is/was-or-wasn't-pregnant storyline is concerned, while it represents a disturbing glimpse of Palin's hypocrisy and all-too-quick willingness to lie for personal and political gain, we should probably find another angle of attack (which ought not be too hard to find). Troopergate sounds promising (and can't be dismissed as the so-called "liberal media up to it's old tricks" especially now that Palin has hired an attorney); her abuse of power and incompetence in office, her dangerously radical stands on social issues, her total lack of national experience (GOP talking point now is that she has "more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined") and her utter ignorance of anything beyond small-town Alaska; it's quite the smorgasbord!

I'm hoping for some really good gaffes from Palin; shouldn't take more than a couple to sink the whole boat!

(If the Repugs want to bring up plagiarism; Biden should point out McNutWing's recent forrays into "copying from others" as well; Wikipedia article on Georgia/Solzhenitzin's Christmas in prison story).

GO OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!

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Mommy Dearest?
Posted by: adingoatemybaby on Sep 1, 2008 5:04 PM   
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Let me get this straight...she's sending her eldest into the firing line, she's 'proud' that her knocked-up teenage daughter is marrying before she earns a high school diploma, and has abandoned her developmentally disabled infant for a White House run.... What ARE her priorities??

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» RE: Mommy Dearest? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Mommy Dearest? Posted by: VZEQICVA
Conservatism does not apply to real people
Posted by: cbmtrx on Sep 1, 2008 5:11 PM   
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I haven't laughed this hard since the dinner scene from "The Nutty Professor".

Ms Palin, if your own daughter doesn't abide by your Republican principles about the woes of pre-marital sex and the wisdom of abstinence-only, then why on earth would anyone else?

Your political convictions are, quite obviously, an utter farce.

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Mis - information
Posted by: LionHeart on Sep 1, 2008 5:37 PM   
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Well, talking about spreading rumors. Palin's daughter is pregnant and Palin is a grandmother to be!

Kids will do it to you every time!

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Fighting a losing battle
Posted by: boing007 on Sep 1, 2008 5:42 PM   
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Hormones. Abstinence only or Sex education can't fight Mother Nature. They sneak up on you and are difficult to control.

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Truth and rumors
Posted by: akbirdwm on Sep 1, 2008 5:45 PM   
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Up in here in Alaska, we've been pretty surprised by the rumor that the Palin's new baby is actually her daughter's since it was reported that the baby has Down's Syndrome. That's not very likely to happen to a teenager. Also, there was a bit of a huff with Alaska Airlines when the Gov left Texas while in labor so Trigg could be born in AK. Not that doesn't mean that Sarah isn't person capable of talking out of one side of her mouth, which I'm sure the Nation will get to see soon enough.

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A comment from another Palin thread worth repeating
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 1, 2008 5:57 PM   
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Before Hillary's bitter PUMA crowd votes Republican in November, they should consider the following Palin laundry list that was posted today of a popular anti-McCain website.

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage.

Palin faces accusations of firing public safety commissioner Walt Monegan in what amounts to a messy Palin family drama dating to her pre-gubernatorial days. Monegan had refused to fire a state trooper who'd gone through a messy divorce from Palin's sister.

The governor has no foreign policy experience.

She is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

She supported ultraconservative Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

Palin thinks creationism (intelligent design) should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't believe human beings are a major cause of climate change.

Palin is solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy.

She has pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years.

Palin sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species (she was worried they would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska).


So how closely did John McCain vet his choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting last year. They spoke a second time one week before the GOP convention, when he called her about being vice president. McCain then offered her the position.

On September 1, the press reported that her unmarried teenage daughter was pregnant, a condition McCain claimed he knew about before making Palin his VP pick. So much for Republican family values -- like not having premarital sex.

Obama Fan
Obama 4 President 2008

PS: Never forget what a "Maverick" is -- a grumpy old man who enjoys pissing people off, both Democrats and Republicans!

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» Hugh Scott - the "war hero" Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: Hugh Scott - the "war hero" Posted by: crashgrab
donnal
Posted by: donnal on Sep 1, 2008 6:04 PM   
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Your piece is a what this country is all about...gotcha.

Even for Obama supporters this is a new low. Let's go even lower, and talk about Joe Biden and his son Beau the AG, who had Obama's lover taken into custody in DL to hide the truth.

Gotcha.

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» RE: donnal Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: donnal Posted by: emmas
» RE: donnal Posted by: Quannah
ANSWER: NO SHE WON'T
Posted by: rancespergl on Sep 1, 2008 6:06 PM   
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BUH-BYE SARAH! DON'T LET THE DOOR CATCH YOU...

NEXT!

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» RE: ANSWER: NO SHE WON'T Posted by: nochicagoboys
White Hunter, Black Heart
Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 1, 2008 6:19 PM   
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The first half of that sentence describes Sarah Palin. If you've seen that film you know the second half not only does not, but also that she may be one of the ugliest, nastiest cows in politics. (Wow, you remember Eagleton? What year did you hand crank your first Babbage Engine?)

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In politics...
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Sep 1, 2008 6:28 PM   
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"In politics, the truth always comes out"

Since when?

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Sarah's Christian ideology will be her undoing
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 1, 2008 7:12 PM   
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Many religious right voters will not be enthused enough by Sarah Palin to vote for McCain for the simple reason that she's a woman, and such conservative types have a hard time with women in authority. Now that it's clear that she hasn't even managed to raise her own daughter well, by her own standards, this will disqualify her for leadership. The political machine will try to paint her daughter's failure as a triumph for the pro-life cause, but it will fail.

The issue that progressives should focus on regarding Palin is whether she follows the religious right's belief that women should submit to their husbands - and what this might mean for a potential Palin presidency. If John McCain dies, will the real leader of the country be an Alaskan redneck oil rig worker? Will President Palin be forced to reconsider her position on drilling, foreign policy, or alternative energy because her husband tells her to? How can President Palin keep her private life as a submissive wife separate from her public calling as leader of the free world? There is no way that President Palin - or even Vice President Palin - could "put her family" first, which is supposed to be her religious duty. That being the case, how can we elect a potential president who will be torn between what she believes her religious duty to be, and what her position demands of her?

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Reaping what you Sow
Posted by: Brian_L on Sep 1, 2008 7:14 PM   
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The teenage pregnancy of Palin's daughter is another fine example how neo-cons reap what they sow:

1) Abstinence only sex-ed advocate's daughter gets pregnant,
2) Anti-gay VP has a gay daughter,
3) Preacher prays for rain during DNC convention, gets a hurricane to disrupt his,
4) anti-gay politicians (and presidents) always get colon cancer or are at risk and need to get screened regularly.

OF COURSE, the GOP is spinning it into a anti-choice statment. That's when we say "I'm glad she had that choice. You know, it's not up to the government to tell us how many children we should have."

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Sarah Palin being unjustly pummeled
Posted by: 220vBrain on Sep 1, 2008 8:03 PM   
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Boy oh Boy, how everyone wants to drag Sarah Palin and her family through the briar bushes and then the pigs wallow. I highly doubt that this woman would risk it all, by claiming a child to be hers that wasn't; (DNA can tell the truth) or that it was her daughters birthed by her husband..she'd divorce him, and have him jailed. Palin isn't STUPID! She is the mother of all her children,including Trig! It is common for a woman in her forties to have a Downs Syndrome baby. I would imagine that she wasn't using birth control even at forty. The dirty filthy lies and enuendos now flying all over the web about her show how jaded and base people have become. It shows to what lowbrow depths they will sink to besmirch and sully someones career,marriage,parenting skills and honor, because the rumor mongers teeth are dripping with venomous droul...and they cannot wait to sink their teeth into Palin!

What goes around comes around, and I hope all of you that continue to feed the viper of lies, gets bit!

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Liam on the Left
Posted by: Liam on Sep 1, 2008 8:13 PM   
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What kind of jackass votes for these hypocrites? The time has come to give serious consideration to getting rid of the southern states and most of the mid-west. They all suck tax dollars from the "blue" states while we pay to keep their backward cultures and economies alive. Cut them loose and let them die.

Alaska couldn't survive without the tax dollars of us "tax and spend" liberals - let them try and good riddance to them! Ignorant jerks destroying our country!

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Bristol Pregnant? Todd DUI?
Posted by: myfriendcharles on Sep 1, 2008 8:15 PM   
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This is way out of control! Dick Chaney only got two DUI's George Bush only got one DUI, and they say that when Lora Bush killed her boyfriend in a car accident that she was stone cold sober. The Palin family full of wife beating (Palin brother-in-law), drunk driving (Palin husband), pregnant teen (Palin daughter), Obama voting (palin mother in-law), white trash beauty Queen (Palin herself), represents a true slice of America and will appeal to the conservative base. When I saw her on MTV saying, I should vote for Ron Paul I knew that she was the one for me. The racist pro-war Christians would want this mama serving some nice moose stew on White House table. As a corruption fighter she will reopen the case on the Silverado Savings and loan scandal as well as go after the Keating Five.

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» RE: Bristol Pregnant? Todd DUI? Posted by: yellowman
» Palin:Racist at heart? Posted by: itzamirakul
Kossacks want us back to the issues, please
Posted by: fbc21ca on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM   
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Don't go saying Daily Kos spread this story -- some semi-anoymous fly-by blogger on Kos did. BIG difference. The Kossack response from the REAL community there has been uniformly denouncing this entire story line.

Simple reason: It's irrelevant, demeaning and stinks of a Rovian double-cross a la Dan Rather.

Plus - we just don't care!

What we DO care about is her POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES.

THAT is what should be the focus. And that's plenty to get her & Grampa defeated, frankly...

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Personal decisions reflect political decisions
Posted by: Callibrarian on Sep 1, 2008 9:17 PM   
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Palin's personal decisions are the same ones she'll push. Example: She's part of Feminist for Life. They're pro-abstinence, anti-choice, and anti-contraceptives. Palin states having a child with Down Syndrome was her choice. But if you're not allowed to use contraceptives, even when older, then FFL not only expects you to continue a pregnancy if defects are detected, they don't allow you to stop a higher risk pregnancy from occuring. That's an issue. Her handling of her daughter's pregnancy is an issue. She is showing us what they expect us to do when faced with the same situation. Bristol and Jami Lynn Spears will make it, but what happens to our kids when they marry, get crappy jobs, and discover they no longer qualify for help or health insurance? What happens when we can't retire because we're supporting grandkids whose births could have been delayed had there been proper sex ed instead of one that teaches "you can get HIV from tears"? Do we think a woman who returned to work 3 days after giving birth will push for paid maternity leave? Do we think a person who fired an entire board for not going along with her decision makes a level headed leader? Do we think her personal vendettas will suddenly stop? Nope. Will she quit? Probably not. That could be bad or good. Bad if she sucks up voters who aren't doing their research. Good if what she represents becomes well known, because even my anti-choice friends believe in birth control and none of us want to go directly back to the non-equally paying field after giving birth.

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» To Wit: exiledmothers.com Posted by: Smackback
» RE: To Wit: exiledmothers.com Posted by: crashgrab
Heard of Forgiveness?
Posted by: Balanz on Sep 1, 2008 11:55 PM   
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People on the right sure have. No one can live up to their impossible standards so they are well versed in selective forgiveness--they will forgive and forget those they support in order to be "right--meaning correct" about their support in the first place, especially in public.

Under every mega-church their are thousands of stories, from the pulpit to the door, of the "sin-hide-forgive" cycle. These institutions are pragmatic enough to forgive and get on with it.

The solution is to go after those who do not yet have a personal stake in identifying with her or the republican theology (be it libertarian on socially conservative) and pointing out why she is NOT like them or how they want to be. The strategy may work against all of her ilk, including the guy at the top of the ticket. Remember him?

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This only goes to demonstrate...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 2, 2008 2:40 AM   
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...once again why the Democraps are going to lose this election...again!

Every negative thing said about Palin is actually a positive toward getting McInsane elected. Not good for the country, but good for getting elected.

Those of you sooo infatuated with Obama and his platitudes, still fail to see the pattern of their candidates and the positions that get them elected. This started with their wet dream boy Reagan and finally with their best so far in the Shrub.

Characteristics: not very bright; good ol boys; loved by rednecks; pretend to be someone you would love to have a beer with; pretend to be the party of Jesus; very wealthy; a person that can be the front man for corporate demands.

Palin and McInsane are the new wet dream team that can and will win this election. She has firmed up his base, while Obama has abandoned his.

Obama has once again proven that he is not up to the fray, by announcing her family life is off limits. It is not off limits for one simple reason, the Repuks claim to be the party of family values. But that does not matter, because the Democraps still cannot frame the issues.

We have no idea as to what the Democrapic party stands for anymore.

So my advice to McInsane is to keep her, as she represents everything their party has come to stand for, and THAT gets you elected in this country...bottom line.

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Reading Right
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 2, 2008 5:15 AM   
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If we read this as fundamentalist right-wingers, we'd better understand what's going on here: Pregnancy from premarital sex is forgivable as long as two immature young people give up their education and movement toward adulthood to marry each other and raise a child for which they are ill-prepared. What counts is that they did NOT use birth control (so it wasn't deliberate) and once the pregnancy was discovered, they did not seek an abortion.

We may have thought the sexual revolution would nix this kind of thinking, but it seems to have only fueled a resurgence with a vengeance. Democrats should quietly tip-toe away and let Republicans deal with this messy affair.

John McCain has tied himself in one heck of a knot.

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» RE: eading Right Posted by: Callibrarian
Shirl
Posted by: toots on Sep 2, 2008 6:43 AM   
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This woman will not bow out. She is drunk on power***
I once respected McCain, but now he is an old repulsive man. He should bow out, instead of showing that he is in dementia (don't show this to the public). Let us remember him as a hero instead

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» RE: Shirl Posted by: VZEQICVA
fair game
Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 2, 2008 6:49 AM   
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I'd like to respect Sarah Palin's request that Bristol be given some privacy in this regard. However, Sarah Palin must know there is no right to privacy spelled out in the Constitution; the Fourth Amendment only protects us against unwarranted search and seizure. In Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court found an implied right to privacy, and this decision served as the basis for Roe v. Wade (which Palin and her party would like to see overturned!).

If Bristol is the daughter of a candidate that believes in abstinence-only sex education and doesn't believe in a Constitutional right to privacy, she and her shotgun wedding are fair game for scrutiny by the news media.

Sarah Palin opposes same-sex marriage as well. I don't expect conservative Christians to support LGBT rights, but they really should be teaching tolerance and forgiveness.

Back in 1990, my friend Rankin Fisher, a former Missionary Baptist minister, who also happens to be gay, commented, "No religion can condone homosexuality."

That may be, but no religion can condone sex outside of marriage, either. People are doing these things anyway! Who am I to pass judgment on another?

"All have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God," is how the apostle Paul put it.

Paul told his followers to bless their persecutors and not curse them (Romans 12:14), to care for their enemies by providing them with food and drink (12:20), and to pay their taxes and obey all earthly governments (13:1-7). He mentioned giving all his belongings to feed the hungry (I Corinthians 13:3), and taught giving to the person in need (Ephesians 4:23). He told his followers it was wrong to take their conflicts before non-Christian courts rather than before the saints. (I Corinthians 6:1)

Paul taught "it is good for a man not to touch a woman," i.e., it is best to be celibate, but because of prevailing immoralities, marriage is allowed. Divorce is permissible in the case of an unbeliever demanding separation. (I Corinthians 7)

"This is God's will--your sanctification, that you keep yourselves from sexual immorality, that each of you learn how to take his own wife in purity and honor, not in lustful passion like the gentiles who have no knowledge of God." (I Thessalonians 4:3-5)

Paul told his followers not to associate with sexually immoral people (I Corinthians 5:9-12, 6:15,18). He opposed homosexuality (Romans 1:24-27) and incest (I Corinthians 5:1). He taught that fornicators, idolaters, adulterers and robbers will not inherit the kingdom of God. (I Corinthians 6:9-10)

Paul told the gentiles to train themselves for godliness, to practice self-control and lead upright, godly lives (Galatians 5:23; I Timothy 4:7; II Timothy 1:7; Titus 2:11-12). He told them to ALWAYS pray constantly. (I Thessalonians 5:17)

Paul wrote further that women should cover their heads while worshiping, and that long hair on males is dishonorable. (I Corinthians 11:5-14) According to Paul, Christian women are to dress modestly and prudently, and are not to be adorned with braided hair, gold or pearls or expensive clothes. (I Timothy 2:9)

My problem really isn't with Christians not being able to follow Jesus or Paul, but with the hypocrisy of saying "I believe," and then ignoring the rest of what their religion dictates when it suits them. Why not just be secular, like everyone else?

It's my contention all of us (Christians included!) really live in a secular society; one in which people merely pay lip service to religious ideals.

Again, Sarah and Bristol Palin (and Christians in general) are fair game for scrutiny by the news media.

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» RE: fair game Posted by: crashgrab
The truth is...
Posted by: jimidee on Sep 2, 2008 6:58 AM   
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Palin's pick was not a reckless act by John McCain, but a carefully calculated one by the McCain staff, and maybe the "Architect", Karl Rove himself. It has his fingerprints all over it. How else can you explain this act that is irrational on the face?

The fact that Palin has a pregnant daughter was part of the decision to select her. They knew full well that with the MSM's penchant for smut stories, that it would jump all over this one. This was guaranteed if they let it out after the fact, like they were trying to hide it. The MSM took the bate and swallowed the hook and ran it like they stole it. Predictably, the right wing base evangelicals felt so sorry for the girl and rallied in supported the mother.

Mission Accomplished.

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» RE: The truth is... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Headline is silly...
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 AM   
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Of course she'll remain on the MCrazy ticket. That's how Repukes roll... no apologies, no prisoners (No Gitmo doesn't exist, and 'Merkaans don't do torture, nothing to see here, people, move along...), spin every lie into the "New Truth."

Sorry, Obamarama blew it with me when he said this: Asked Monday, Obama said the Palin pregnancy should be "off limits."

"Let me be as clear as possible... I think people's families are off limits and people's children are especially off limits," he said while campaigning in Michigan, adding his mother was 18 years old when she gave birth. "It has no relevance to Governor Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as vice president."


Foolish. When you parade your family in front of you as a paragon of your moral courage or whatever, when you advocate and openly work towards the complete command and control over other people's lives, right down to their access to sex, contraception, and pregnancy, you waive your right to privacy. It's implied and it's fair game. This is ABSOLUTELY relevant for every last American because these proto-fascists want to control our very bodies in every manner imaginable.

You don't give cover to a liar on a principle when that liar mocks that very principle. DUH. You fight them down and dirty and ensure that the liar doesn't get a pass.... but here's typical liberal, giving cover to a liar. Sorry, that just won't wash. That's called cowardice.

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» RE: Headline is silly... Posted by: luzmejor
McCain could have his cake and eat it too.
Posted by: FeralCat on Sep 2, 2008 10:54 AM   
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McCain will get kudos for picking a woman and an far right winger from the base. Then she decides to drop out and then he gets his own choice of a Tom Ridge or Lieberman. But she could also have a "checkers" speech like Nixon when people were trying to get him off the ticket with Eisenhower.

Well this is all bad for democracy, but great for alleviating a boring campaign season.

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Palin: bad politics, good theater
Posted by: socrates2 on Sep 2, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Just by reading a sample of comments on this site, I can see that the melodramatic theater has already started.
I told a friend a day or two ago when McCain picked Palin that it was "bad politics but good theater."
Her total lack of experience and significant credentials for the presidency is just plain bad for the Republic. It is irresponsible and awkwardly hints that McCain may indeed be senile.
Palin's temperament and political impulsiveness don't seem suitable traits for a candidate that is a "heartbeat away..."
On the other hand, as national political theater Palin is a gas!
Young, telegenic, articulate female. Alaskan hunter. Anti-abortion mother of a Down Syndrome child. Mother of a pregnant, unmarried teen. Religious views in line with the "religious right."
All the elements of sympathy- (and, thus, vote) grabbing melodrama are there. Stay tuned folks.
And should Palin get Eagletoned in the next few weeks due to controversy related to her documented abuse of power and temperament, well, the uninformed votes she _would have received from the religious right_ will remain in place for the GOP.
Why? Rove & friends will say Palin was dumped by political enemies who disagreed with her "religious views."
Hey, if people _still believe_ Saddam brought down the Twin Towers despite all evidence to the contrary, they'll believe anything at this point.
It's a win-win for McCain...

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Palin is........
Posted by: tap17x on Sep 2, 2008 11:16 AM   
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......a lying, pro-gun, pro hunting, anti-environment, pro-corruption, fundy Christian, given to vengefulness, the grandma of an illegitimate kid, a denier of abortion rights and sex ed, an opportunist, and an idiot. How could she possibly be a more perfect Republican?

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Sep 2, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Laura Bush's unsavory past is rarely mentioned, but many other women in politics are all but persecuted.

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Go away Sarah
Posted by: mattie9991@hotmail.com on Sep 2, 2008 12:42 PM   
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This is the sadest thing in the world... Why would John McCain choose Sarah Palin to be VP if he was tring to get a whole bunch of religus conservatives to vote for him. Sarah Palin- Why couldn't you just teach your kid to go to sex ed and not just lecture about abstinance? At least a quarter of the senior class at my school are sexually active. Why did you just assume that your kid wouldn't be like all of those kids? Not that Obama is a god, but I will have a heart attack if John McCain and little Miss Alaska wins this election. Haven't we had enough of Bush?

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Oh Yes It Is
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Sep 2, 2008 12:54 PM   
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...I think people's families are off limits and people's children are especially off limits," he said while campaigning in Michigan, adding his mother was 18 years old when she gave birth. "It has no relevance to Governor Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as vice president."

Oh yes they are when a candidate is in favor of banning abortion and is against teaching real sex ed. to teens. Her irresponsible pregnancy and giving birth to a Downs baby at age 44, and using said baby as a political football, plus her advocacy of "abstinence only" until marriage "education" for teens, while she has a unmarried pregnant teen daughter, is all fair game given Palin's political positions on these issues.

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feminist observer
Posted by: feminist observer on Sep 6, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Yesterday a committed Christian woman called into an NPR show with this very astute comment regarding Palin's attack on Obama, criticizing his community organizing. She said this: "Christ was a community organizer; Pontious Pilate was a governor..." Right on!

Palin is a woman with no class!

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Sarah' What was Wrong with the Texas Hospitals??????
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 8, 2008 3:51 AM   
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Most would forgive a mother trying to protect her daughter and her privacy.
but many are not so forgiving when it comes to the Actions(inactions) Sarah claims to have taken the day 'SHE' gave birth to Trig.
Whether Pro Choice Or "Pro Life" people should be suspecious as to what motivated this woman to forego Immediate medical attention after her water broke- One month early while carrying a child with 'Downs'.She Gave a Speech, got on a 6 hr flight then traveled back to a hospital in BFE with NO Neo Natal ICU!
Had Trig REALLY been diagnosed as a Downs baby during prenatal exams. Or had Her actions CAUSED the disability?
WAS SHE TRYING TO LOSE THE BABY?
Would Trig interfer with Her ambitions...When did Sarah Know her name was on the Poss. VP List??
If she did know- why take such a Risk with this baby which is already a High Risk baby/Prenancy?
That Day alone and the decisions she made, Place her ability to prioritize in serious question. She appears to have been more focused on her ambitions and wishes than the safe Delivery of her child.
Granted the 'Families are off limits'- but Sarah and her ability to put others safety and welfare first Are Not Off Limits.
Her 'Mommy Skills' are the only thing she is brings to the Table, then they are fair game to use as an assessment of her abilities.
Add that to the fact she has No experience in Governing a State with diverse industry and people. No experience in Foreign affairs....
I could keep pitching, but she's already Struck OUT!
Why is the Campaign not allowing her to be interviewed? She will be OUR EMPLOYEE!?!
Or is it they already KNOW she has some serious Problems, and are waiting for the right time to Oust her? At a
Time far to 'Late to vet others'? "Forcing the Mccain" to seek a already Well Vetted and experienced VP? Like DICK ?!?
It will only take one of Real ProLifers to be outraged by her Inactions the day Trig was born and she will be run out on a Rail all the way back to Wassilia
Otherwise I must ask the 'Pro Life Movement' - If a mothr choose to keep a child but ultimately places it in unnecessary Harm during Birth ,maming or causing the childs death....Is It not Still a form of(attempted) Murder?
By Traveling to the Furtherest distance to seek medical attention (fetal monitors, ultrasound, skilled professionals in the health care industry (not AIRLINES)to assess if the Compromised Premie was in FETAL DISTRESS
and be able to provide immediate TX & Care, Sarah Palins Morals/ ethics, Intellegence and Priorities are in Serious Question. thus ALONE making HER the VP nomiation DEMAND Serious Questioning.

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Dirty Republican Secrets
Posted by: zorro on Sep 8, 2008 7:58 AM   
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Why is it okay to pry into Democrat family issues, such as Clinton's infidelity to his wife, which all politicians are guilty of--Republicans not in the least--who rape little boys and solicit sex in dirty toilets of rest stops--and Not okay to question the intelligence and moral courage and or family values of Republicans? This country is pathetic.

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A la Eagleton-what about McCain's 2 suicide attempts & overdeveloped superego psych diagnosis
Posted by: H-D on Sep 8, 2008 8:21 AM   
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With the media so enamored with McCain's POW status, why aren't they asking if we need a president who has trauma experiences that almost inevitably cause PTSD, and why is nothing said about John McCain's 2 SUICIDE ATTEMPTS?
Even though Navy psychiatrists who evaluated McCain for years after Vietnam, said he seemed to be "coping well with the horrors of his captivity" this doesn't preclude a PTSD episode where reactions occur before the logical parts of the brain can engage. Imagine a finger on the nuclear button. These psychiatrists described conditions of "malnourishment, regular beatings [a definite PTSD-causing condition]and two suicide attempts." TWO SUICIDE ATTEMPTS "Doctors determined that he had an 'overdeveloped superego' and an 'unrealistically high' need for achievement, two characteristics that have put him in the mainstream of presidential candidates."
This information is from, "How Healthy Is John McCain?" Time Magazine, Wednesday, May. 14, 2008

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