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RNC Raids Have Been Targeting Video Activists
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Their crime? None whatsoever. No one was trespassing or engaging in acts of civil disobedience. Instead, members of I-Witness Video, a New York-based media watchdog group that records police activity in order to protect civil liberties, were holding an organizing meeting at 949 Iglehart, the home of St. Paul resident Mike Whalen, when armed police officers arrived in the early afternoon and ordered their surrender.
Among them was Eileen Clancy, founder of I-Witness Video, as well as a producer with Democracy Now! DN! host Amy Goodman and her staff had just arrived at Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport when they received word that producer Elizabeth Press was in the house and being threatened with arrest.
An urgent alert had been sent by Clancy:
This is Eileen Clancy. ... The house where I-Witness Video is staying in St. Paul has been surrounded by police. We have locked all the doors. We have been told that if we leave we will be detained. One of our people who was caught outside is being detained in handcuffs in front of the house. The police say that they are waiting to get a search warrant. More than a dozen police are wielding firearms …
... We are asking the public to contact the office of St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman at 651-266-8510 to stop this house arrest, this gross intimidation by police officers, and the detention of media activists and reporters.By the time we arrived at the 900 block at Iglehart Ave a short while later, the people in the house had been handcuffed and taken out back. Police officers could be seen sitting in unmarked cars, blocking off the residential street, where a growing crowd of observers gathered in front and across the street from the blue house with green columns, straining to get a glimpse of what was happening.
With two officers flanking the entrance of the house, it was hard to see anything -- but moments later, a woman emerged from the house next door. "You guys go in my backyard," she called out. "They're handcuffed back here!" With that, the crowd rushed around to the back, where over a short chain-link fence they spotted the handcuffed group, seated and surrounded by stoic police in sunglasses.
"These are nice people," the neighbor admonished the cops. "These are good people."

Sitting with her hands behind her back, Clancy spoke calmly and deliberately as she described what had happened and answered questions from people on the other side of the fence. Someone asked whether they had been read their Miranda rights. "Fuck no!" yelled one of the detainees.

As Press would later explain, a pair of police officers had actually shown up at the house earlier that day, at 11 in the morning, asking about the owner of the house. One of them identified himself as being with the FBI. "I think that was them just checking out the scene at the house," said Press, who videotaped the officers coming to the door. They claimed to want to question a former resident about an action that had occurred a few months earlier. "We're not here from the convention," one officer said. Nervous I-Witness members didn't know what to make of it -- "We were like, this is f-d up let's get out of here," recalled Press -- but they chose to finish their meeting anyway. It was only when they were getting ready to leave that the police showed up, some 20 officers this time, with guns drawn.
Sara Coffey of the National Lawyers Guild had just left the house and was immediately handcuffed. But, as described in Clancy's alert, Press and the rest of the people in the duplex refused to let the police in because they did not have a warrant. However, at around 3:00 p.m., a warrant materialized for the adjacent space, apartment 951. "They entered through 951, detained everyone in that apartment, including the owner," recalled Press, "… and then broke into 949 through the attic." The police entered with their guns drawn, ordered everyone's hands up and handcuffed them.
Their belongings were confiscated and searched, and the group was assembled in the backyard. But soon after the crowd gathered with video cameras and legal observers, including an attorney for Mike Whalen -- and after Amy Goodman jumped the fence to interview people and ask the cops why they were holding nonviolent people who had done nothing wrong -- they were released.

Preemptive Strikes
Unlike the preceding raids, including one targeting the convergence space of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- an anarchist group dubiously described by Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher as "a criminal enterprise … intent on committing criminal acts" -- the raid on the I-Witness house was specifically designed to target media activists whose mission is to hold police officers responsible for abusing their authority. I-Witness Video was instrumental in documenting police abuse during the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York, during which some 1,800 people were arrested. Working in cooperation with the National Lawyers Guild, I-Witness Video led to the dismissal of charges or the acquittal of some 400 protesters. This summer, New York City authorities subpoenaed I-Witness Video for tapes from the protests. In an interview with Democracy Now! on Aug. 1, Clancy discussed the group's plans for the political conventions.
We're going to bring a crew to both presidential conventions. It's pretty exciting. I mean, one of the reasons we're very interested in covering the conventions is (not) because we want … bad things to happen, but because the focus of the federal government, the law enforcement agencies and all that is very keenly directed at demonstrators. And when you cover these events completely, you're able to see the patterns. The patterns emerge."I-Witness definitely does document things like police brutality and policing in general during situations of conflict," I-Witness member Emily Foreman, one of three members who managed to leave the house only to be followed by police and pulled over on their bikes, told a reporter with The Uptake after the raid, noting that that could make the group a target, "not because of anything illegal but because of our interest in upholding the law."
Nevertheless, the list of items police were looking for would suggest the activists were nothing short of terror suspects. "Packages and contents, firearms and ammunition, holsters, cleaning equipment for firearms, (and) weapons devices" were included in the warrant read by Whalen, who spoke to reporters shortly after his handcuffs were removed. Asked what connection he had to the I-Witness Video activists, he replied, "no connection," adding, "People needed a place to stay, and I support the work they do."
Series of Raids
All told, six raids took place in St. Paul in 24 hours, resulting in six arrests. (Read about the other raids here.) On Sunday, the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild sent out a press release announcing that it is "seeking prompt judicial review" of the "preventative detentions" of the six people arrested, all of whom remain on "probable cause holds" in the Ramsey County Jail. According to the press release: "In Minnesota, a probable cause hold can be ordered by a police officer without a prosecutor or a judge reviewing a criminal complaint. Due to the arrest occurring on a weekend holiday, all six citizens can be held until Wednesday, September 3, 2008, without the filing of a formal charge."
The extent of the federal involvement in the raids is not entirely clear. Although they were reportedly spearheaded by the Ramsey County Sheriff's office, St. Paul Police coordinated them with the FBI. Furthermore, according to the Star Tribune, the raids were "aided by informants planted in protest groups." Indeed, as Glenn Greenwald reminded readers on Sunday, the Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force spent months recruiting people to spy on activist groups planning to protest the RNC. On May 21, the Minneapolis City Pages ran a bizarre but chilling story titled "Moles Wanted," about the recruitment efforts by the task force -- specifically, attempts to enlist people to "attend 'vegan potlucks' throughout the Twin Cities and rub shoulders with RNC protesters" in a mission to "investigate terrorist acts carried out by groups or organizations which fall within the definition of terrorist groups as set forth in the current United States Attorney General Guidelines."
"This is all part of a larger government effort to quell political dissent," attorney Jordan Kushner, told the City Pages at the time. "The Joint Terrorism Task Force is another example of using the buzzword 'terrorism' as a basis to clamp down on people's freedoms and push forward a more authoritarian government."
With most of the subjects of the raids eventually released, the consensus among activists at the RNC in the wake of the raids is that the police actions are mainly meant to stop protests, lawful or not, before they start. "I think what they're doing is trying to intimidate people," said Press. But even as the GOP plans to scale back its convention activities in the face of Hurricane Gustav, with multiple protests scheduled for the week, the actions of the police do not seem to be doing much to dissuade people from going forward with their plans.
The next day, a group of peaceful marchers organized by Veterans for Peace headed downtown. With armed police officers far outnumbering protesters, several marchers were discussing the raids. "It's intimidation, absolutely," VFP member Leah Bolger said. "People are harassed to no end." Although veterans groups were not among the targeted organizations, word of the raids had spread quickly among the demonstrators. "I started this work as part of the peace movement," said Bolger, a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy. "But more and more it's about civil rights. … When I hear about the raids, it's just really upsetting and frightening," she said. But not necessarily surprising. In this era of the supposed "war on terror," she said, Americans have become used to trading civil rights for a perceived safety. "They're willing to throw away their civil liberties."
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Posted by: mercianomad on Sep 1, 2008 5:12 AM
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Amusingly, the Star Tribune reported on this, sort of, but linked it to raids on an anarchist group called the RNC Welcoming Committee, which got first billing in the article because they apparently were indeed out to cause mischief.
This first billing is key when you read all the comments in the 'reader comments' section below the article. It shows the shallowness and "skimming" nature of the American news-reading public. What happens is this: The I-Witness portion of the raids gets completely ignored by literally everyone, and allows all the neonazi supporters of this action to concentrate on a bunch of anarchists instead, in order to support their beloved police. A good number of them of course spew their neocon hatred, saying "Good. I hope next time they use their billy clubs" and the like. Plenty of that rah-rah America stuff.
Here is a sentence from that article describing the police side of the raid on the "anarchists":
"Deputies seized a variety of items that they believed were tools of civil disobedience: a gas mask, bolt cutters, axes, slingshots, homemade "caltrops" for disabling buses, even buckets of urine."
Anything similarly descriptive from the arrestees' side? Nope. Just bland, short statements of outrage and a couple of official statements from the city councilman, who wasn't even there.
As for the I-Witness thing, where the article even admits they were released, no description whatsoever is made of why they were raided. No quotes from the people raided. Nothing.
You have to just love the press. Wonderful fascist-enablers, they are.
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» dude... anarchist is not 'terrorist' or even 'violent'
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Well, think about it! We ahve all got to get our houses in order as the goons who give the orders are ready to open fire on anyone, itchy fingers....contempt of he public, disrespect for any true form of democracy. they owe their allegiance to the politicos that screen them..
Second Story FYI One of the temples here is having a showdown with the cops and the government as the President has made some remarks about Christianity that has offended some Buddhist. Yesterday, a police car waited all afternoon outside the temple gates, (JOGYESA-SEOUL) for what, for whom. But it's all part of the same picture. the cops are working for he government and the government does not enjoy dissent.
south Korea/USA/Anywhee on this globe...Stand up for Human Rights and remain free! I support the people's right to collect, review and diseminate information and demonstrate freely.
If USA loses these rights, don't expect anyone else in other countries to gain them.
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It seems that indymedia citizen journalists have been targeted (cameras, computers, cellphones, paper, pens, press cards confiscated), National Lawyer's Guild lawyers have been locked out of legal press conferences, old-time middle-class middle-aged activists have had their houses raided and searched - in their absence, without a warrant. NoRNC 'organizers' (herding cats, anyone?) have had their houses raided with police/FBI drawn AK-47's. Household stuff like foam mattresses, rags, and grey-water recycling buckets have been confiscated as 'evidence' of mal-intent. Some acquaintences of mine living in a remodeled bus converted to a closed-loop perma-eco-system had their bus... their HOME... confiscated. They were left by the side of the road with no money, holding their 2 dogs and 2 chickens... on the Cretin & 94 exit. Their 17 year old daughter wasn't even allowed to retrieve a pair of shoes. I saw that action on theuptake.org - 11 squads and I think 2 unmarked black SUV's (FBI) to take down one hippy family & chickens.
The Convergence Center was raided. tincancollective.com had all their communications computers confiscated. The Seeds of Peace food support network/kitchen was circled for a couple of hours, no raid, no arrests. The Wellness Center (where I'm going) was raided Sunday. At least 2 organizers have asked for - and recieved - sanctuary at the Quaker Meeting House in St. Paul. A breakaway group from today's march by Vets for Peace was arrested at the Landmark center. The nun wasn't cuffed, but everyone else was. The FBI did a walkthrough of Starhawk's magical activist ceremony & spiral dance up in Mound's Park. I was about 4 blocks away, at Robyn's at the time.
The IWW planned an anticaptitalist protest at teh Sprawl of America, but police *stopped the LRT* and wouldn't let them off. Police also refused to let off a diabetic person who needed their meds.
There are random arrests of students on the streets.... black-clad constabulary erupting from unmarked vehicles. At least one report is claiming that people have been 'disappeared.' The Homeless People's 'Bushville' encampment on Harriet Island was busted up. A middle-aged silk-blouse and skirt-clad woman from an Organic Grower's Network witnessed a van being pulled over and occupants arrested. Guns were pulled on her, and she was told to back off, or the police would shoot. That's also on theuptake.org.
Warrants are either not provided, or are pro
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This will lead to a loss of respect and authority for the police and increase the danger to them and to us. People do not like to be pushed and eventually they will fight back. Then the police will use that as an excuse to "get tough" without even the thought that they are drastically outnumbered in a country full of armed citizens. The FUBAR factor increases with the pressure they try to exert.
The worst part is that most of those police officers probably do not agree with what they are being forced to do to keep their jobs. All so some fat pile of manure such as Rove can keep their hands clean in the public eye.
Just emphasizes the necessity for our citizens to pull together and vote democrat this year. Our country will face being torn apart with 8 more years of these slimebags being in charge.
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If You Want Liberty - Smaller Government - Constitution reinstated in Government Goto Ron Paul's Rally for The Republic part of The Campaign for Liberty (aka The Revolution)! This is important, your attention should stop focusing on fighting and focus on getting what you want. Learn Something people! Now is the time to Wake Up!
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People have pointed out Obama's inexperience, but what experience did George Bush have? What experience did the GOPS beloved Ronald Reagan have?
Obama is a Constituional scholar, something we desperately need to put the Constituion back solidly in place, especially its Bill of Rights, which has been eviserated by such laws as the so-called "Patriot" Acts. The truth is, the neo-cons have an agenda that requires them to strip the American people of their rights.
9/11 was a tragedy to almost everyone in this country, except for a handful who knew about the attacks and made a small fortune in
"put options." Why Congress hasn't investigated this more, I have no idea, except that the whole thing stinks, and anyone who believes the official story, is, IMO, either naive, ignorant, can't face the possible implications of realizing the massive cover-up that has taken place, or is just downright stupid. Because it is one of the crazier "Conspiracy Theories" I've heard--and the Official Story is, by the very definitions of "conspiracy," and "theory," a conspiracy theory, despite the fact that the government and corporate media have tried to limit the terms use as a deragatory label for anyone who questions the Official Story. It amazes me what people are prepared to swallow if they see it on T.V. I mean, I don't claim to know what actually took place, but I do know that the amount of deviations, "coincidences," and failures, along with the destruction of the scrime scene of the largest mass-murder in history, along with an obvious cover up (I mean, why did the administration fight against an investigation? Why was nearly all of the steel from the WTC buildings shipped all the way to China and melted down?
And, getting back to my starting point, why hasn't Congress subpeonaed the names of the individuals and/or Corporations(which are treated like extremely powerful individuals by law, when it's convienient for them)of the people who placed these "put options" on United and American airlines in amounts that were 12-times the normal, average levels? These people and Corporations' idententies are protected by Privacy Laws, so no one else could get them except the Congress (or President)by subpeona. But they haven't done so--not even for the account that generated 2.5 million dollars and was unclaimed!
I mean, what is the probability of every SOP for the FAA, NORAD, and the Military, would all fail for a two-hour period on the same day that the first and last steel-framed buildings (one of which, WTC 7, wasn't even impacted) in the history of these buildings would collapse, straight-down at near free-fall speed, into their own footprints, that Federal guidelines against disturbing crime scenes would be totally over-looked, that a pilot (of the plane that hit the Pnetagon, supposedly)who, by the accounts of all his instructors "could barely fly a single engine Cessna, make a totally unneccesary and incredibly complex maneuver that turned his plane around (when he could have just kept flying straight on the path he was on, and could have hit the Pentagon area where all the High Officials were, possibly killing them and even possibly Dick Cheney--and also couldhave dived his plane downward into the enormous target of the top ofthe Pentagon, which would have been enormously easier, and would have caused more damage)to hit the part of the Pentagon that was most heavily reinforced, which somehow managed to destroy 2 800 ton titanium-steel engines, while the tip of the fuselage, a far more delicate area, managed to penetrate several layers of concrete, penetrating all the way through the C-ring, and leaving a perfect 16-foot in diameter hole.
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Donald Rumsfeld also made two "slips of the tongue", one referring to THE MISSILE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON and another referring to THE PLANE THAT WAS SHOT DOWN OVER SHANKSVILLE--the latter of which would make a lot of sense, since the wreckage was strewn over a 6-miles area.
Then you have the President, at a location everyone knew, remaining sitting, reading, afterhe's been told our country is under attack, putting both himself andthe leadership of the country at risk, as well as the lives of hundreds of children.
Also, Bush and Cheney refused to meet the Commission under Oath seperately, but would only meet together, not under Oath, and privately, with no record of the event.
People who are innocent do not act this way.
The truth is, not counting the deaths from our invasions of Iraq and Afganistan, that more people die in car accidents in the U.S. alone each year,than die from all of international terrorism combined.
They have used 9/11 to pass laws like those in the Patriot Act, which allows Gov't agents to break and enter any citizens home, search and seize anything they want, and never even tell the person they were there!
There are now over a million names on the terrorist no-fly list, including an 8 year-old boy, and a Pilot; also, a government agent is, or was, on the list, who had a High Security Clearance, along with Senator Ted Kennedy and Nelson Mandela!
It took an act of Congress to have Nelson Mandela removed! For an ordinary citizen, it's next to impossible to get off the list, once you've ended up on it. The 8 year old boy was first detained at age 6; he's now 8, and still unable to fly!
I guess they're trying to bankrupt the airlines, too. I mean, people are going to start avoiding flying as more and more innocent people are sent to some back room for hours to be interrogated.
This country is turning into a police state.
We must fight to have our Civil Liberties restored! The very ideals of America have been destroyed.
IMO, giving up American Civil liberties supposedly for the cause of the "Fight against terrorism," is the greatest act of cowardice and surrender to terrorism we could possibly
make!!! Far, far more a surrender than pulling our troops out of an illegal war, based on lies, on a country that never attacked us, never threatened us, and never was a threat to us, or our ALLIES.
Wake up, people! If we do not stop this trend now, by the time we do wake up it will be to Amerika, the Corporate-Fascist Police State! Not all fascism looks like Hitker's brand.
Mussolini once said: Fascism should really be called 'corporatism' because it is the perfect merger between Corporation(s) and the State (Federal Government)." That sounds a lot closer to what we now have as a government to me than the democratic republic our Founders intended.
And if Congress doesn't start using its powers, it will lose them.
There's got to be something that Congress can do about A.G. Mukasey (which the Dems should have never signed of on in the first place)who will not refer any cases concerning either Torture or the politization of the DOJ, despite the fact that the law clerlt states that the A.G. "shall" bring such cases before a Grand Jury. It doesn't say the A.G "can" bring, or imply any choice in the matter!
Gosh, when will this generation finally disappear?
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These pages that bring us together
are the fire in the cave above the stream,
no dream we move in and out of, faceless,
expendable, waiting for a burst of wings
to spill our pooled bones like coins
over the chilled and silent ground
we fell in love with so long ago,
singing the green hills homeward
under that shovel-shouldered sun.
Fatigue works grim the stone of souls.
No talk is needed to believe the bleeding
will be ours all too soon. Needled dust,
that settled itself in naive lungs, cuts
with each rasp, yet the bleeding
won't be stemmed. Quick, black tongues
flicked from windows, floors below dustified
slabs, while the Street slumped with peanuts
beside its beer, locked on the game.
In our rush of voices a stream curses
the murmur of pines. In our names,
what we begged for never to be done,
is done with no shame. And the day
drags its blindered self to toil. Night trades
whiskey pete for oil, while down slope,
death-drummer birds with blazing eyes
ascend the holy crags to kill dissent
before we waking innocent arise.
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More news from the local newsfeeds. This is a description of a typical police interaction today: 20 people were walking down the street when they were surrounded by bike cops yelling, but no dispersal warning. About 10 seconds after arrival cops used pepper spray indiscriminately, again and again. Protesters forced to kneel on ground for about an hour. Cops would not answer basic legal questions such as "are we being detained?" and "are we free to go?" After 30 minutes police finally admitted that, yes, they were being detained. Media was quickly stifled, one person was thrown and slammed up against the ground (with his camera). Cops denied all respectful requests for medical aid from those in need.
Other happenings: Girl struck by car, denied medical attention. NLG copwatch & street medics arrested. National guard called in. More concussion bombs and tear gas situations than could be counted. Bridges to and from St. Paul locked down. Protesters backed down to river, then mass-arrested. Mayor & police had PR conference, to talk about gaining control of situation - but when faced with hard questions about scary police tactics, PR conference abruptly canceled. Word out that some police are disgusted by being told what to do by others from somewhere else, when they have REAL work to do apprehending real badguys.
It's not QUITE a police state, or I wouldn't be able to post this. There's time to change things if you all do your part. Most police are moral individuals. Leverage that. -S-
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One more thing. Do you really like that the police wear those goddamned dark sunglasses? Get to your city council meetings and try to change the color of those goddamned sunglasses to a glorious and demotic pink--with rhinestone settings to boot.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 2, 2008 10:59 AM
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WHo are these and what are their personal motives? Where are their hearts?
Do they hire on just for a pay check? Are they mentally stupid as to understanding exactly what they are engaging in?
These people that are engaging and enabling these gestapo methods and taking up arms against the Real Americans are genetically compromised as to having a conscious awareness it seems.
Where do they come from? It does matter because we have to
"know Thy enemies". Otherwise we can not truely understand the roots of the problem.
Many would like to think these are right wing extremists or the Christian right radicals. But is that true?
"What if there was a war and no one came?"
"What if there was a convention and no one came"?
"What if the media broadcast their propaganda and no one listened?"
The problem with having freedom is what we do with it.
Such as some of those that "volunteered" to go to Iraq to secure "our" way of life from so called ratical shites etc.
Is that "those that would protect their way of life from the influence of the capitalistic corporate invaders of thier culture are called the enemies of "our way of life". Yet the corporations are what they are resisting in how they impose they lust for world economic control and gain to push humanity into a slave state, whether intended or not it is the inevitable out come.
Yet here in "our" country each of our's desire to have a way of life that suits our dreams and abilities to make so are restricted and highly controlled to conform to a mutual "norm". That of which doesn't allow for people to have the freedom to choose as they will without being limited to choose.
So these "controlleres of Law" the "enforcers" become entangled in forcing people to behave and accept the norm as impossed upon them., not as their freedoms should allow.
I don't mean to philosophy about freedom, but is all seem that the enforcement system is corrupt by definition and by the mentally inept ones that become involved in the roles they take on.
They are like the dumb monkey drones in "planet of the apes". That is, they are not really intelligent but they are given power to wheel which gives them a sense of purpose they don't have on their own.
( Oh, they may very well be "smart" but smarts does not equate with intelligence any more than just because someone is a "homo sapien" is really a "thinking man".
So if we extract our mass emotion from the equation their sense of purpose will cease to exist. Meaning, quit feeding into thier reason to be in the roll they have undertaken. It's the same with Bush's power. (In a nut shell) Stop buying his gas (Valero) and he will be at "our" mercy instead of the other way around.
Protesting by throwing yourselves in harms way only fuels the fire storm. But even as one person mentioned above that the patriot act can interpit practically any act as on of one of potential teasonist resistance or such.
The only thing that would work is to start taking -out every Bush backing administrative supporter from their hold-up of refuge, including the un badged secret police. Only when they realize they are all now physically targets instead of us as mass crowds, insisting a peacful power of free speech is our best tool, will "they realise" they have thrown fire on their own house.
So back to it:
We need photos names and addresses spread as far as Real americans can find them. So we all
"Know Thy enemies."
Has any one a sight documenting these enforcement people?
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 2, 2008 11:18 AM
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the St.Paul cops got the de facto "GreenLight" to cave to ANY ReichWing civil rights violation demands.
DEPARTMENT OF PRE-CRIME!
the tragedy?
is that MOST PEOPLE HAVE WALKED AWAY from any interest in the 'rights' of people who stand up for pan-American civil or human rights.
Privacy Rights? AT&T funded enough of the DNC that they put their freaking LOGO on the convention bag (Glen Greenwald, Salon)
THINK ABOUT IT.
"Things we lost in the Civil & Privacy Rights Fire-sale... "
what was going on in Denver? a massive 'backslapping' self-congratulatory AT&T PARTY of smug self-centredness.
pathetic.
pathetic that it wasn't properly covered.
pathetic that the lack of coverage successfully sold out THOSE protesters & the St.Paul protesters TO GENERATE really yummy negative RNC press.
pathetic & disturbing that the ACTUAL PRIVACY RIGHTS & HUMAN RIGHTS issues are being completely ignored even during the St.Paul coverage.
AP just released a statement from the St.Paul Police Chief that the arrests were targeted to *violent* & dangerous offenders against the Peace.
basically? the Department of Pre-Crime has successfully catalogued MORE citizens as 'domestic terrorists'.
these 2 weeks have simply added MORE citizens to the biometric & DNA catalogue of international peaceful citizens who dissent against corporate-owned oppression of civil & human rights.
& the only reason its being covered? is because the RNC violations are 'good for the Democratic momentum'.
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Posted by: Falang on Sep 2, 2008 4:34 PM
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Thanks but no thanks!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 2, 2008 10:54 PM
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The purpose of the police force is to protect the interests of the wealthy and the powerful. This just happens to coincide neatly with the power in the republican party. Maybe it is time for ethnic cleansing. Maybe it is time to put all of the republicans in one separate country and the rest of us in another. The Alaska separatists just drew the line in the wrong place.
There are enough democrats to make a good country. There is no way to cure a republican. The Athenians exiled their misfits.
Everybody that sends a job outside of the United States should be exiled. Everyone that believes in "trickle down" economics should be exiled. Everyone that reduces the taxes on the wealthy should go. Everyone that does not support a progressive tax structure should go. Everyone that does not support free public education should go. Everyone that doesn't support fully free national health should go. Everyone that does not believe in making the government the employer of last resort should go. Everyone that supports privitization should go. Ther probably is no limit to the length of this list.
These people are not patriots. These people are leaches on society. We need to remove them from our presence.
All of the evangelicals that rant about the public display of the ten commandments have a serious religious weakness. They are avoiding the beattitudes. They have not adopted the new testament. Until they adopt the beattitudes they are not Christians. They are pre-christian. We are not going to exile them for their religion. They deserve to be sent out for ther immorality. Republicans think you can substitute private morality for social morality. Actually many know better. This is cover for their private greed.
Ghandi: "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians."
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