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An Ex-Beauty Queen for VP: Political Risk or Political Genius?

By Heather Gehlert, AlterNet. Posted August 30, 2008.


Sarah Palin may be more of a threat to Obama than Democrats are recognizing. Dismissing her would be just as dangerous as dismissing women voters.

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With no foreign policy experience and a political resume that could fit on my pinky fingernail, Sarah Palin is an absurd choice for vice president. Yet it should come as no surprise to the public -- especially to Democrats -- that John McCain chose her anyway.

That's because the very issues that Democrats say make her a political risk -- her newness to the political world stage, her anti-choice stance, her opposition to gay marriage, her support of capital punishment, her disregard for the environment -- matter very little in determining the outcome of elections. Voters -- some of whom dissect policy issues daily, but most of whom don't -- ultimately cast their ballots based on emotion. Not logic. Not knowledge of "the issues."

This was supposed to have been the big take-away lesson of 2004. That debate, perhaps more so than any other since the first televised presidential showdown between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon, showed that appearance, charisma, personality and likeability matter. Smarts are mostly a bonus and a distant second.

In 2004, John Kerry was the champion debater. He was sharp, focused, intelligent. He could call B.S. on George W. Bush and poke holes in nearly any of his arguments. But he was also stiff. He seemed cool and disconnected, not just because of his body language but also because of his words. His policy prescriptions, detailed as they were, didn't connect with his audience. Four years after hearing him speak, I can only recall that, on an intellectual level, I agreed with his points. But I don't remember what he said. His words didn't resonate with me. They didn't stick with me in my gut.

Bush, on the other hand, was the dunce. He wore a goofy smile and dodged questions in each debate. But he was the man people could imagine having a beer with. He drew crowds in with his drawl, spoke in a simple, unintimidating way, and so could get away with covering up four years of abysmal domestic and foreign policy. I probably disagreed with 99 percent of what Bush said, but I can at least remember some of his talking points. He said he worked hard and promised to work hard for American families. He said he understood American families. He said he would protect American families.

Was that a load of bull? Of course. But it sure was delivered in pretty packaging. And, most importantly, it made a large number of voters feel good.

Drew Westen, a clinical, personality and political psychologist who teaches at Emory University, explains this phenomenon in his recent book, The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation. "(T)he vision of mind that has captured the imagination of philosophers, cognitive scientists, economists, and political scientists since the eighteenth century -- a dispassionate mind that makes decisions by weighing the evidence and reasoning to the most valid conclusions -- bears no relation to how the mind and brain actually work," Westen writes. "When campaign strategists start from this vision of mind, their candidates typically lose."

Simply put, people don't always vote for the candidate or the policy that serves their own best interests. That concept should be no more surprising in politics than in other parts of people's lives. If individuals always did what was best for them, they would consistently choose broccoli over cake; they would enter into relationships with the good guy (or gal) instead of the charming jerk who never calls; they would stick to purchasing necessities and use credit cards as a last resort -- only when there's not enough money at the end of the month to pay for groceries or utility bills.

But we all know people who eat more sweets than they should, date charismatic yet inconsiderate cretins, and shop on impulse. Those behaviors might be unhealthy, but they sure can feel good at the time. That's the campaign strategy Republicans have perfected: manipulating our senses and emotions to make us act in ways that we'll later regret.

******


In the short while since the news about McCain's choice for VP broke, we've learned a lot about Sarah Palin. We know that she played point guard on her high school's state champion basketball team. She's worked as a sports reporter. Her favorite food is moose stew. She's outdoorsy and comes from a family of hunters. She rides snowmobiles. She's a mother of five and a member of the PTA. She's a self-described "hockey mom."

Sarah Palin is also young. At 44, she's three years younger than Barack Obama. And she's beautiful. In 1984, she was runner-up for Miss Alaska.

But as New York Times reporter Timothy Egan writes, "Palin brings a bit of the "Legally Blonde" aspect to the race -- you underestimate her at your peril."

It's been barely a day since the media introduced us to Palin, and those are the details that are easily overshadowing -- or at least obscuring -- the more serious news about her regressive politics or the ethics investigation she's under.

These basketball-playing, snowmobile-riding details are what could easily give Palin broad appeal. She appeals to men because she doesn't threaten their way of life. She's a former beauty queen who also, according to the media's narrative, knows how to be one of the guys.

But what about the questions that female voters, the media and no small number of female bloggers have been asking? McCain almost certainly picked Palin to try to rope in the female vote, a plan that Democrats are arguing won't work. Hillary Clinton may have gotten 18 million votes, but Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

Trouble is, she doesn't have to be. Clinton supporters do not have to cross over and vote for Palin for her to be effective on the Republican ticket. With such a close race between McCain and Obama, Palin may need only to motivate conservative women or independents who weren't sold on McCain or persuade those who hadn't planned on voting to show up at the polls.

And Palin is likely to use every emotional ploy possible to bring in more female voters. She's already co-opting Hillary Clinton's remarks on having 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling -- a ceiling that Palin says women can still shatter "once and for all."

*****


Already a flurry of conservative and independent women have been rallying behind Palin. Policy aside, on a personal level, she represents work-life balance -- something that resonates with women of all political affiliations. She's also popular among blue-collar voters, the Republican party base and Evangelicals, particularly because of her staunch position against abortion. She, like McCain, favors overturning Roe v. Wade.

And if Democrats aren't careful, that could easily become their Achilles heel this year. Elections are about emotion, and if there's any topic that's sure to stir emotion, it's abortion.

Despite the majority of the public supporting family planning and comprehensive sex education -- both effective ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies -- and despite the fact that Democrats champion federal funding for these programs, the Dems still haven't figured out how to defend a woman's right to choose in a way that voters can identify with on a gut level. If Democrats have historically had trouble defending their abortion position against male candidates, they will have triple the problem doing so against a woman. And Palin is a slick one.

Palin vehemently apposes abortion, even in the case of rape or incest, a fact that the public may miss while she's busy touting membership in Feminists for Life, a group that focuses on alternatives to abortion, particularly for college-age women. The organization works under the guise of providing women choices, as long as abortion isn't one of them.

Besides her Feminists for Life affiliation, Palin is herself a mother. In fact, she decided to keep her fifth child even after knowing it would be born with developmental disabilities. Imagine it: debating a female candidate -- a mother -- who can say, "I had a choice, and I chose life." That's the challenge Biden will face. He must defend a woman's right to choose while avoiding coming across as callous or attacking the mother of a disabled child. Simply explaining that Palin is an "anti-woman woman" isn't enough. That kind of message assumes voters will respond with logic and reason. But for those who aren't steeped in gender issues, it risks either sounding loony or being dismissed.

*****


Democrats are only too eager to argue that this election will be different from the last two, that people have finally had enough of the Bush brand of conservatism. I hope they're right. But Democrats need to be realistic about the challenges they face with a Palin VP, because abortion is just one of them.

Having a woman on the GOP side will make it easy, perhaps tempting, for the media to resort to sexist attacks. Then feminists will be forced to walk a line, defending Palin against sexism without looking as though they're supporting an anti-choice candidate. Even women who didn't like Hillary Clinton recoiled at watching her become the target of media-driven sexism. Clinton polled the best when women perceived that she was being treated unfairly. Palin will likely be no different. Worse yet, if Palin gets bullied, McCain will swoop down and protect her, pretending to be women's biggest advocate when he is anything but. The public will see Palin being attacked and will watch as the Republican Party comes to her rescue.

And having a young, inexperienced woman on the Republican ticket could do more to underscore people's existing concerns about Obama than it does to undercut their confidence in Palin. How can Democrats, without appearing hypocritical, level serious charges against Palin for being "untested," when that's the word that's still hovering over their own candidate? Palin may not have foreign policy expertise, but she has a son who is a soldier. That's no small detail in a country obsessed with patriotism. And it's one that voters can connect with emotionally.

Unlike Obama, Palin is not a change agent. But perception matters in politics, and Palin looks the part. She represents a first for the Republican Party, and her relative youth could dilute Obama's change message -- the very message that, for the first time in many years, has allowed voters to identify in an emotional way with a Democratic presidential candidate.

Will Obama be able to keep that emotional connection with voters? His campaign has only two precious months to figure it out.

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Heather Gehlert is a managing editor at AlterNet.

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Posted by: wwittman on Aug 30, 2008 12:23 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You can call Kerry or Gore "stiff" or "unlikeable", and yet they both really WON.

The reasons they weren't President have to do with cheating, not likeablility.

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» RE: except... Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: except... Posted by: F-Abdolian
» RE: except... Posted by: beautifulady2003
» Gore Lost Posted by: Moore Hognutz
» Uh no. Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Uh no, Ein M D Posted by: Moore Hognutz
» RE: except... Posted by: mtatasmith
» RE: except... Posted by: patsy6
» RE: except... Posted by: PandaBear
» From a woman's point of view Posted by: ~Fiona~
This Pic was not about Hillary or any Democrat for that Matter
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Aug 30, 2008 1:13 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It was about me...

***WARNING***

You Liberals are being duped into thinking this is about Hillary... because its not!
A Democrat Voter is easy to understand: either you are on the governments pay roll or your the dumb ass working hard to support your friends who are in the government pay roll.
A Republican voter, well lets just say we are more sophisticated in the way that sometimes has us lose elections like in Kansas for not being "conservative" enough. We call it getting (R)INO or Northeast Republican or Rockafeller Republicans but this pick with Sarah P blew the door off the RNC in a way that will bring everybody to the table. Our Evangelicals wing of the party is uber ecstatic. Oh and nice try with that Evangelical vs Mormon battle like its Pac and Biggie all over again, looks like you have to hold out on that kabal.
Find your Republican Friends and I'm talking conservative friends and see how happy they are. John McCain has a history of kicking us in the teeth and after the primary season us Conservatives have been wandering in the wilderness but this chick Sarah P is the truth from the start. She could be just like one of those moms from Bucks County (PA) or from Scranton. Wait till the dust settles and you see the poll numbers that will make you Liberals cringe.
The Dumb Ass Press is falling over themselves dragging this women into the ground... It will backfire (like McCain 7 houses). So what she was a small town mayor... an't there small towns in PA, Ohio, Michigan, New Hampshire? Those "small towns" start to add up. Plus she is a Governor of a very important state in the union and when you are Governor everything that comes your way is your issue vs being in the Senate you can duck a issue or 11 of them. Sarah P is the future of the GOP and this is something that gets Rush, Hannity, Levin and friends excited... Huckabee and the Evangelicals excited... Romney and our fiscal end of the party excited... even our Northeast Rockafella wing excited.
You have to be a Republican to get the full scope of just what happen however keep going moonbatty dragging this women name in the mud. She stared down Feminism and gave it a Rifle Butt to the face and broke its jaw. Now its time that she shatters that glass sealing.
Obama has to hide from his past... Sarah has nothing to hide from. This pic makes ME happy. Its not about you Democrats, this pic was about ME and the rest of America.

p.s. Joe Biden is from the state that is the Caymans of America... All the BIG BANKS are in Delaware, look at your Credit Card bill. Oh and he more like the 3rd Senator from New Jersey than PA!

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» RE: What makes a governor more experienced? Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
» Bring it on Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: Bring it on, Bucks County Posted by: Moore Hognutz
» RE: This is a conservative talking point! Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: This is a conservative talking point! Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» "You Liberals"? Posted by: Smackback
» My hat is off to you. Posted by: oldurn
» Then Again Your From Michigan Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: You first. Posted by: Lauren
» Hell yes Posted by: LMNOP
» "Sarah P is the future of the GOP" Posted by: war_on_tara
» Wow Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» Ive Arived again Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
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» RE: Ive Arived again Posted by: mobilone
» LOL Posted by: LMNOP
» TLV Posted by: tlv
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» ??????????? Posted by: sirios
» Palin is a Washington Insider? Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» hey theVRWCwhodatesLiberals Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
» mercedes marxist, lear jet liberals Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» Oh brother. Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Oh brother. Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
Simple : Give Her Credit ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 30, 2008 1:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
for all the positions the Republicans endorse that have lead America to the economic disaster and foreign policy mess that we are in today.

As far as the social issues an older woman such as Hillary needs to give her the motherly "Now Dear ... " treatment. Having Michelle Obama or younger woman take her on would look like a cat fight.

Finally put the questions out that America wants answered. Trade , Health Care , Iraq , the Environment, Energy etc. Portray her as behind the times and isolated in Alaska and her answers as being cute and so five minutes ago which should be very close to the truth that Americans now see.

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QUESTION: What is the difference between Sarah Palin and Harriet Meyers?
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Aug 30, 2008 1:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
They picked for high public office by idiots.

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» Laughable Assessment Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Laughable Assessment Posted by: LionHeart
» Wingnut lie Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Wingnut lie Posted by: LionHeart
» RE: Wingnut lie Posted by: JSquercia
» Big Difference Posted by: edgar1
A Cynical Calculus of Vagina Politics...
Posted by: gazooks on Aug 30, 2008 3:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...is what moved McPain's selection.

This election, if it in fact is an election, will be won or stolen by incremental percentages, again. McLame knows exploitable bitterness when he sees it, and innocuously harnessing the rage of disaffected "feminist", "Democrats" through a seemingly progressive act may be achieving the tipping point for a McShame win in November, or, it may just make it proximate enough to facilitate stealing a third.

A consummately cynical, deviously brilliant exploitation of the anger of exploited American women by an old white guy who thinks of his own wife as a "stupid cunt".

Ain't that America?

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» personally, I love cunts Posted by: rancespergl
» RE: personally, I love cunts Posted by: beautifulady2003
What Next... Will Obama Tap Michael Jackson for Secretary of State?
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 30, 2008 3:11 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Could it be any clearer the whole damned thing is a tinsel-thin runway circus for brainwashed Americans too lost to know which way is up?

I know, I'll receive low marks for stating the obvious but please...

Possibly there is only one thing left to make it more obvious the "candidates" are hired corporate crime poodles for what George Carlin called the "Owners" of a crooked old ruling class. And that the Good Cop "left" vs Bad Cop "right" carny act is an utterly cooked fraud. That would be to bring out the dancing bears, dwarfs and lion tamers.

Talk about a skin-deep Fascist freak cabaret.

(Wow)

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McCain will bether president!
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Aug 30, 2008 3:15 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is really sad to see that McCain is acting so much smarter than naive and 'hopeful' democracts.

McCain has everything he needs now, he is a 'war hero', he is a conservative, he is the 'one you can trust', and he has the vote of religious rights, and those crazy democrats who wanted a woman as their president, no matter what.

This together with the little help from Diabold and other electronic voting machines will make him the next president of the united states, od saves us all.

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» McCain serves the elite insane Posted by: Last Chance
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» RE: McCain will bether president! Posted by: beautifulady2003
Suckers
Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 30, 2008 3:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"You can never underestimate the tastes of the American public".
"Never give a sucker and even break"
P.T. Barnum (Ringling Bros.)

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» RE: Suckers Posted by: tijeffe
The timing was genius
Posted by: Artkansas on Aug 30, 2008 3:43 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
No matter what you think of her, the timing WAS genius. The morning after the DNC convention, and the political paparazzi should be abuzz fawning about Obama. But no, all they can talk about is Ms. Palin. The DNC and the millions spent on it are completely diffused and any bounce Obama should have gotten has been stolen from him. That's genius. Rove has not lost his touch.

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Republicans are stupid.
Posted by: PJAW on Aug 30, 2008 3:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
And they're betting on the majority of voters also being stupid. And, when that's not enough, that they can lie, cheat and steal enough votes to make up the difference. It's been working for them, why would they change their strategy?

Welcome to the idiocracy.

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» RE: Republicans are stupid. Posted by: bizeeb
Sarah Palin is George W. Bush with Lipstick
Posted by: Taylor on Aug 30, 2008 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Think about it. Just from the little I've learned about Palin today, there seems to be a whole lot of disquieting similarities between her and Dubya when he first became president -both were governors, not a ton of experience in office, very little travel abroad, no foreign policy credentials, undefined foreign policy views, fundamental Christian, right to lifer, extremely pro oil, anti-environment, Washington neophyte, easily underestimated, charismatic common man appeal, etc, etc. If something were to happen to McCain, it's really easy to imagine how a Palin administration could bear a much closer resemblance to the Bush presidency than McCain's would. She also seems like she could easily be as monomaniacal as Bush.

This is a talking point that I haven't seen anybody address yet, and it certainly needs to be.

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» Palin is not a reformer! Posted by: crashgrab
We're Being Set Up.
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 30, 2008 4:06 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When the fixers succeed in tipping the election to the Republicans, various cynical commentators will say a majority of empty-headed female voters were charmed by a naive sister with a rather vacant look in her eye, just like them -- and a large number of so-called "progressives" will believe it. This is how the business-as-usual syndrome continues on its self-deluded way to extinction.

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» RE: We're Being Set Up. Posted by: herronsmith
» RE: We're Being Set Up. Posted by: Last Chance
» Agreed! Posted by: rancespergl
» Democracy is dying worldwide Posted by: pangolin
so, given McCain's age it's back to a race between a black man and a woman
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 30, 2008 4:10 AM   
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When it comes down to it in November, some conservatives may waiver.

I don't know if women can be Mormon priests these days, but black men were found acceptable two decades ago. Some white men chose to see black men as inferior but nonetheless may regard them more highly than they rate women.

I also wonder how many Republican women are going to be happy to see their husbands turned on by an attractive ex-beauty queen, specs or no specs.

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» Look up the History of Mormonism Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
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image counts
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 30, 2008 4:15 AM   
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sarah palin has an image that appeals to a lot, not all, suburban moms and blue collar families. she is not antienvironment even if she wants to drill in ANWR where there are legitimate arguments pro and con about drilling in that relatively tiny amount of Alaska. Her outdoors abilties graphically come across as an ad for women's equality.

As long as Obama remains vague about "change", and his speech didn't help at Invesco. image will matter.

With Iraq stabilizing, the economy getting better in some parts of the nation and energy remaining a GOP advantage especially now with Palin who does know something about energy, the Dems have a great big woman problem. S

she's no airhead and we've had too many Ivy Leaguers messing us up. Why can't the dems, with their endless claims of being for labor, nominate a worker or union official for VP- like an Andy Stern or Reg Weaver?

They (Obama and McCain)are all a bunch of overeducated, upper middle class to rich out of touch politicians!

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How does Palin plan to protect women and children?
Posted by: KT Stanton on Aug 30, 2008 4:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This country has repeatedly refused to protect women and children from abusive men. When domestic violence victims try to leave their abusers with their children, who are also frequently abused too, the mother faces loses her children to the abuser. If a women is pregnant and the baby father starts abusing the mom, is Palin going to advocate for full protection since she does not believe in abortion? 90% of intimate partner homicides and 90% of the murder-suicides are committed by males per the Violence Policy Center sudy of Jan-July 2007 data. Sometimes children are killed too. What is Palin's stance on protection in DV cases? How will she protect children from abuse if they have to be born into a bad situation?

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» And the answer is... Posted by: MartianBachelor
got ya shakin in your boots
Posted by: dawnteach on Aug 30, 2008 4:25 AM   
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haha, you guys are worried, you dems. always trying to talk stuff about people, well her record is immpeccable in comparision to obamma, he has way less experience than she and he's running for president, she's only running for vp. I say way to go mcain.. ain't no way to talk crap about this lady.. she's the real thing and everyone is so excited.. just watch..

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» RE: got ya shakin in your boots Posted by: crashgrab
A pretty face with a Nazi mind
Posted by: Smitty511 on Aug 30, 2008 4:30 AM   
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In the typical neanderthal mindset of a war criminal and intellectually challenged neo-con called "John Mccain"; his choice of a person who has demonstrated the capacity and arrogance to abuse the power that comes with public trust is NO SURPRISE! Sarah Palin is of the same petty, vindictive, sociopathic mindset demonstrated by Dick Cheney and his ilk.

His choice for a political "attack dog" was well vetted. His choice was based on the same criteria GW Bush used to choose the ruthless, self-serving Darth Cheney as his running mate. Both have a vested interest in placing the demands of big oil, AIPAC, and other special interest groups of questionable integrity above all else, including; the needs, concerns, and safety of honest hard working American citizens.

John Mccain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. John Mccain wants to "bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb Iran". John Mccain is itching for a fight with Russia over their REACTION to the US incited/financed Georgian attack on Russian CIVILIANS in South Ossettia earlier this month. Bush/Mccain want to place missiles in Poland which is sure to create a new "missile crisis". Those US missiles in Poland have the same perceived intention as the Soviet missiles had in the Cuban missile crisis in the 60's.

Bullying, terrorizing, harassing, torture, intimidation, genocide, and propagandizing are not effective tools of diplomacy, nor are they appropriate as domestic policy. Neither do those methods demonstrate good will or good character. There has been no honor, integrity or justice in our foreign or domestic policies since 2001. With a third Bush administration; the depravity will only deepen.

Now that Sarah Palin is on the ticket; the fascist republican party will throw a lot of money at her ethics and abuse of power allegations to make it go away. If throwing money at her detractors won't change their stories: in true republican fashion; the republicans will throw bullets at them.

The theft of elections and cold blooded murder is nothing new or unheard of when republicans and their Zionist cohorts are involved.

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» Zionist cohorts? Posted by: Opinionator
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Change the system?
Posted by: grutter on Aug 30, 2008 4:32 AM   
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What if voters were not allowed to vote for the candidate, but could vote only on issues? For example, "Do you support a prolonged war in Iraq?" Or, "Are you opposed to gay marriage?" And so on. The candidates would need to agree on the questions and their wording. If a voter answered "yes" to both of the above questions, that vote would be registered with John McCain. It's not a fail-safe system (what system is?), but perhaps voters would take more interest in the issues central to an election. Just an idea.

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» RE: Change the system? Posted by: BST
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» RE: Change the system? Posted by: Lauren
MORE DESPERATION FROM McCAIN
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 30, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Yes the McCain camp timing was excellent and the move bold but frankly here is my take. The political brain theory discussed in this article wanes as the public hopefully becomes increasingly educated over decades.

Mr. McCain's choice of Governor Sarah Palin can only be described as reckless, frightening and totally irresponsible.

I find it hard to fathom that a 72 year old presidential candidate could so patently put 300 million American citizens at risk by putting such a novice in national and international politics a heartbeat away from a possible US Presidency

Also this decision demonstrates how very poor Mr. McCain's judgment as a leader really is.

This development can only be described as one of the most bizarre episodes in the history of presidential elections. Done out of desperation.

Proving once more we are indeed living in very strange and very troubled times.

Believe me- putting aside the political brain theory discussed in this article- if you are not scared by this choice you should be.


Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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» RE: MORE DESPERATION FROM McCAIN Posted by: mnascimento
» RE: MORE DESPERATION FROM McCAIN Posted by: drricklippin
Dirty Old Man McCain
Posted by: ehensley on Aug 30, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Has anyone out there noticed that McCain is starting to look like a dirty old man? Ditched his first wife, approx. his age, to marry a Trophy Wife.
Now, hasn't he picked a Trophy VP?

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» He gets a VPILF..... Posted by: pangolin
cheating at the polls
Posted by: Mertz on Aug 30, 2008 4:36 AM   
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it's true -- the Rovian Reps cheated at the polls so to analyze the candidates and the voters' responses to them is an exercise in futility. The press oughta be analyzing the corrupted polling process and writing exposes of the massive undermining of the democratic process. And we all need to protect our polling places, refuse electronic polling, and make sure the count is accurate this time.

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Racist headline?
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 30, 2008 4:38 AM   
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The headline of this article is the reason democrats will get hammered in this election. Obama seems to hate small town America (which is most of america) and democrats turn their nose down at beauty queens?

Get real guys and gals. Don't even try to swiftboat her on the beauty thing. Women wil lfock to her defense like blacks are voting for Obama. "They're one of us"

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» RE: acist headline? Posted by: DreamFast
Sarah Palin is not an animal lover!
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Aug 30, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Just watch this video, you will love her even more.

Sarah Palin on Glen Beck
She is perfect follower to Bush's dynasty.

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Very well put ...
Posted by: southside612 on Aug 30, 2008 4:51 AM   
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and as the article pointed out, a charsimatic, not so bright Washington neophyte seems to be a formula the Republicans are fond of. And in true form, when they choose a woman, they have to find someone who is smarter than George Bush. (Women have to be twice as good....) Let's face it, from what little we know she DOES seem smarter.

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» RE: Very well put ... Posted by: Moira61
» RE: Very well put ... Posted by: SamFox
Equal rights ... to be a novice
Posted by: BST on Aug 30, 2008 4:53 AM   
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You write: "Voters -- some of whom dissect policy issues daily, but most of whom don't -- ultimately cast their ballots based on emotion. Not logic. Not knowledge of "the issues."

Think ... Obama?

Why is it always , always, always when a woman eyes the power role that the litmus test changes? I agree that Palin would appear to be a breathtaking risk should she need to step into the President's role. That team doesn't get my vote.

But the very Democrats who have defended Obama's "life experience" as plenty of qualification to become President should accord the same respect to Sarah Palin.

Five kids, governor, whistleblower, NRA member, soccer mom, moose hunter, fisherwoman, a voice against gay marriage and abortion, National Guard boss, son off to Iraq, should not be taken lightly. Palin represents many people who don't write commentary because they're too busy "doing."

And I'm a Democrat, wondering how this will all play out. Remember ... all the guys who have been in charge for the last four years had political experience. Look where we are.

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» RE: Equal rights ... to be a novice Posted by: southside612
» Obama IS rational Posted by: FMABBI
» RE: Obama IS rational Posted by: BST
Palin is an inspired choice.
Posted by: calibrit on Aug 30, 2008 5:04 AM   
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I'm a passionate Democrat, and the last thing I want is for the Republicans to win in November. I am with Obama all the way.

But I've got to recognize that this was a very, very smart pick by McCain and his team.

Why?

1. Palin is comparable in age to Obama, but has executive experience.

2. She can credibly claim to have worked to undermine the corrupt politics of her home state. Yes, she is under investigation for firing Monaghan, but that affair pales beside the massive corruption of Young that she took on.

3. There are certainly some women who want a woman in the VP slot more than they want policies friendly to women.

4. She sews up the conservative Christian vote as well as, or better than, Huckabee would have done.

Is this a desperation play? In some ways, yes. Obama/Biden is still odds-on favorite over McCain/Palin. But I'd say that McCain did just increase his chances, far more than he would have done by picking Pawlenty or Romney.

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» RE: Lots of evangelcals will balk Posted by: bottom-line
'Lipstick' on Mac's Pig-real Libbers aren't deceived
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 30, 2008 5:05 AM   
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the heart & soul of the Equal Rights movement begins with Women. We are the other (bigger) half of Humanity. We give Birth to Boys & Girls, of all colors, ethnic background, religion & sexual Orientation.
Seems there is quite an effort going on to parcel out the Womens movement from the Minority movement- ain't gonna happen, As stated in the FACT above.
What is the most dangerous thing to mess with? A mother (of any species).She will sacrific herself to save her offspring and guarantee their suvival.DON'T TRY TO SEPARATE US FROM OUR INNATE IRRESPONSIBLITY- YOU WILL GET VICIOUSLY ATTACKED. And that includes other females. WE protect our descendants From ALL threats!
These so called 'Feminists' only seem to crawl out of the wood work when a White Female is running.Telltale indication, they are NOT true Libbers or concerned about future generations. They are out for their Own gains, glory and EGOs.
So while they are bedazzled by this other female, their dens are being raided and the young slaughtered.We will lose more jobs over seas, our environment will continue to be raped and depleted, their children will be sent off to die in some illegitmate war,their homes will be seized,and best of all, a Bill will be sitting 'Past Due' in their mailbox, addressed to their grandchildren.
So if anyone is confused, Here is what women stand for
All Life since we are the Bearers, In all forms, and are staunch advocates for the future well being of ALL life
If you don't get that- you arenothing more than a 'Good Ol'Boy'Corporationist in drag,Willing to sell of your children,and the Planet to Brick & Mortar and Profit margins
for your own gains.
Sorry Mac, Palin won't be able to put Lipstick on Your Pig.

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» Nice post Posted by: LMNOP
It's not that hard to deal with her on choice
Posted by: brilliantatbreakfast on Aug 30, 2008 5:06 AM   
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All Biden has to do is say "That's what choice is about. Those of us who trust women to make their own decisions respect and applaud your decision as much as we respect a woman who chooses a different path."

What's interesting, and of course we can't touch it, is what it says about Palin that her family values don't preclude leaving a 4-month-old special needs infant at home to go out and run for the Vice Presidency.

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» Reverse Sexism Posted by: edgar1
Sarah Palin is a lightweight
Posted by: SackofWoe0 on Aug 30, 2008 5:10 AM   
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Iam a female who would never consider voting for Palin given the fact that she really has no experience and please don't even begin to use her being a Mom as the criteria for this position. She make look good walking down a runway, but can she really stand in the trenches. Remember folks, McCain is an old man,with health problems, do you really want her as the President of the United States?????

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» And the answer is... Posted by: MartianBachelor
Bridge to Nowhere
Posted by: helenahanbasquet on Aug 30, 2008 5:26 AM   
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Sarah supported this but withdrew her support when it was determined Alaska would have to help finance it. I think this says a lot about her willingness to throw away the taxpayers' money while catering to her own best interests.

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» RE: Road to Nowhere Posted by: ahmlco
Palin is a model, yes ...
Posted by: BST on Aug 30, 2008 5:36 AM   
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A critical component of Sarah Palin's candidacy for high office is this: She is a woman opposed to abortion.

That's a first. I imagine it is being embraced by many conservative women who find in Palin a role model and affirmation of their values.

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» Bring it on, she is batshit CRAZY Posted by: war_on_tara
» What a load of c*#p Posted by: TruthBeTold
Meow, meow....
Posted by: BST on Aug 30, 2008 5:38 AM   
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Heather, I'm wondering why the headline on your piece is An Ex-Beauty Queen for VP: Political Risk or Political Genius?

rather than ...

Governor of Alaska for VP: Political Risk or Political Genius?

Meow factor?

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» Oink, oink. Posted by: Beck
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» RE: Bess Meyerson Posted by: 113121
what we all need right now are...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 30, 2008 5:38 AM   
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folks from Alaska from all sides of the political fence to report on their gov's performance since she came into office leaving the gender issue 'she's a pretty girl' out of it...

knowing Alaska, they kind of get isolated from the 'lower 48' as they call it and the lower doesn't really get a firm idea about what is going on up there...

we need more info on her, her actual track record with ordinary people and the issues that matter to these ordinary people in her state and her responses...

not picking sides, either d or r or anything else, because I made the conscious decision years ago to not register to vote and have not since the '70's, so there's no vote from me for anyone...

there is a need to know more hard facts for those that still do vote...

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Palin's a Big Danger to Dems
Posted by: oldcowgirl on Aug 30, 2008 5:43 AM   
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Why Alaska at all? Because half the Republicans up there are on their way to jail for bribery and corruption, in bed with Veco, the oil field company. Palin was the person who started Alaska's Republican corruption house-cleaning by ratting on...Randy Ruedrich, was it? Way back when. She's a "new," "honest," "working person values" Republican, it will be said, an "outsider" who took on the Republican establishment in AK. It knocked the breath out of me when I heard McCain had picked her because it was so smart to do so. I've wondered what was really behind investigating all these yokel legislators who took a pickup truck or a few grand to do Veco's bidding. And why try to bring Ted Stevens into the dirty light over his house remodeling? Bigger, older, Republican money is behind Palin, I'm thinking. Obama has a big presence campaigning in AK right now, too, where the Dems don't generally bother to go. Palin brings treasure to McCain in a host of ways, I'm sad to say. She's on the ticket to neutralize McCain's womanizing, flipflopping, Bush-identification, age, poor health, and most of all, "Party of the Past"-ness. The myth of Alaska itself stills inhabits the hearts of U.S. folk as few others do. Hold onto our hats!

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» She's under investigation herself Posted by: hurricane hugo
Ms. Palin and her family values
Posted by: ejba on Aug 30, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Ms. Palin's questionable qualifications aside, as a mom of two, I can't imagine leaving my special needs baby to take on this grueling campaign and possibly the job of Vice President of the USA. What kind of family values message is that?

To me this is another example of the Republican's reverence of "life" in the womb, but once the baby arrives, you're on your own.

But then, Ms. Palin is quoted as saying she doesn't really understand what being Vice President actually entails. Maybe she doesn't realize that she is giving up any opportunity to spend time with her children over the next 4 months at a minimum.

Either she doesn't know what the office will be asking of her, or she doesn't hold her family as high a priority as millions of other moms around the USA who take time away from our careers to care for our babies and toddlers ourselves.

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» RE: Ms. Palin and her family values Posted by: BossyTeacher
» Less we forget.... Posted by: maddy
What Transparency This Game Called Keep-a-way
Posted by: Nicnic on Aug 30, 2008 5:51 AM   
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How can you all not see this for what it is? They are sabotaging McCain. He is expendable now that he is the candidate. He is not my choice, but neither is Obama. My choice is for impeachment and a war crimes trial concurrent to an investigation of 9/11. Don't be so blind and gullible my consumerism based cultureless sheeple.

Both candidates are products of the same elitist system. They want a democratic administration. They have already accomplished their mission. They can let the Bush administration get away. They no longer matter. Now they simply make the people feel like they are getting the change they want when what they want is someone who's better suited for Phase II, which is to now fool the rest of the world and unify the European Union beginning with the missile defense system.

The trouble for everyone is Obama is not who is appears to be and so few people have the perception and strength to identify him and accept it. We want so much for this story book to be true. It's just pathetic. It's a classic game of keep-a-way. They have you running from one false hope to another. You're nothing more than knee-jerk laboratory rats to them and even easier to manipulate. Wake up you fools, you anesthetized greed infused corn feed mutes.

Step one is for them to put the final nail in the coffin of 9/11 and Iraq. You do this by not perpetuating the regime, but by changing it. There's more to Pelosi's stand that "impeachment is off the table" than you can possibly suspect. There will be even more talk of moving forward after he is elected.

Our only hope is 9/11. This is the only hope for the entire world. Remember 9/11. Open your hearts and minds to the cries of those from beyond. The roar is deafening. How can you not hear it?

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» "RUBE" is a four letter word Posted by: edgeofnowhere
» 9/11 is the key Posted by: edgeofnowhere
mr.ed
Posted by: mr.ed on Aug 30, 2008 5:53 AM   
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Why not Michelle Bachmann, a carbon copy small town conservative and possible help in MN?

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» No oil in MN (no message) Posted by: sunspot
Dear Mom of Two
Posted by: southside612 on Aug 30, 2008 5:54 AM   
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At the risk of double-posting (since fewer people read comments that are nested) let me explain why it is perfectly logical for Palin to leave her children for the higher office, including leaving a young, special needs child: class.

Upper class parents leave their families to nannies all the time. They do not see this as being incongruous with the Family Values Agenda. Remember, the Family Values agenda is for Us.

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Unreal
Posted by: elPedro on Aug 30, 2008 5:55 AM   
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She's got a bachelor's degree in journalism and may become the president of the senate or even worse, president? McCain is just plain stupid and he's going to steal the election. He's even more stupid than Bush. What education does he have? I'm starting to look for bridges to jump off of on November 4th.

And even if Obama won, he'd need a mop. What Bush did is irreversible. It's too late folks,we're cooked.

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» Overcooked! Posted by: edgeofnowhere
McCain spoke to Palin exactly three times before their appearance in front of cameras
Posted by: Beck on Aug 30, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Once in February, on the phone this past Sunday, and Thursday morning, when he offered her the job.

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Pride comes before the fall
Posted by: Erin on Aug 30, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Obama could have won this election hands down if he would have put aside his hard feelings for Hilary. But his arrogance and pride kept him from making the one choice for VP (Hilary) that would have locked in this election for the Democrats. Now,it will be a guessing game as to whether McCain's choice might just upset the Obama apple cart.

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» Be rational not emotional Posted by: FMABBI
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Hype Machine Obscures the Real Issues
Posted by: taxidriver on Aug 30, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Once again, media hype is obscuring the real issue: Is this person qualified to be president? The resounding answer is obvious: No.

What does this choice tell us about McCain? That he's a reckless gambler--not the kind of leader I want with his finger on the nuclear button.

Forget all the hype about beauty queens, PUMAs, and cracks in the ceiling, and think about our country and how complex it is. How can someone with less than two years of experience governing a thinly-populated state awash in money from Big Oil possibly be ready to lead our country?

McCain's not a maverick: he's reckless and a condescending chauvinist. This is tokenism and political expediency at its worst.

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FMA in MASS
Posted by: FMABBI on Aug 30, 2008 6:01 AM   
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We should be worried! McCain's state of health is not too good and he's OLD. Chances are very good that if he gets elected, this lightweight pick will be at the helm. Does that give you comfort? And just because she's a governor of a little-populated Republican state does not mean she has "more experience than Obama (or McCain or Biden). Any business owner has as much "executive experience".

McCain has exercised his bad judgement for his first important "executive decision" and made his VP choice (all by himself) as a political ploy to energize his sad, uninspiring campaign. And here we are discussing the small issues that make people's blood boil while the larger issues remain obscured - of America's economic pending collapse, climate change (Palin thinks it's a hoax) and our discredited international relations being in shambles. Oh yeah - and our forgotten soldiers over in hell trying to do their job for this once-great nation.

What does this tell you about McCain and the risks he is subjecting America to?

Obama had three criteria when selecting VP:
1. Can the person step into the Presidency on a moment's notice (commander in chief creds)?
2. Can the person help govern?
3. Can the person bring new perspective and challenge the thinking of the President?

People, let's BE rational - the future of this country is at stake here. We simply cannot afford four more years of the same politics. It IS time to change course and we must - before it's too late and we find ourselves at war with Russia with McCain (or worse Palin) at the helm!

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» RE: FMA in MASS Posted by: mobilone
Put a Pretty Face on a Ugly Party! Same Old BU__! SH__!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 30, 2008 6:04 AM   
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The Forces of Darkness
by
Otto Suwara L53
8/30/8

D Am
The Forces of Darkness
Are at our front door.
The Dark Army
Is camped on our Shore
C G D
What are we going to do?
When will they come for you?

They work for Bush/Chainey
Swear no allegiance to People or Country
They carry The Black Flag
Of The Corpirate King

C G D
What are we going to do?
When they come for you?

Why do they Spy on?
Me and you?
Why do they lie to us?
What did America do?

What are we going to do?
When will they come for you?

Put our Trust in Humanity
Our Grand Children untold
Unaware of the struggle,
About to unfold

What are you going to do?
When they come for you?

Why do they hate us?
What do they fear?
Fort Knox is empty and
The Treasury is bare.

What are you going to do?
When the Dark Army comes for you?

There’s a light in The Darkness
My Brother is near.
He is my Keeper
I shall have no Fear.

What are you going to do.
When Bush/Chainey comes for you?

I believe there's a difference
Between The Light and Darkness,
Greed and Prosperity
Revenge and Forgiveness

I will follow the Light
Shining into the Night

I see a million Micro-Democracies
Growing in our Backyards
Harvesting Food and Green Energy
From The Horn of Plenty

Create a new way of life
A Self Sufficient, Sustainable Society


I will prey for forgiveness
As I protect our Home
I will turn away the Belligerent
While I save the Lamb

That’s what we must do?
Something beyond
just
Me and You!

Cooperation, Harmony
Helpfulness,
Brotherly and Sisterly Love
True Compassion
Patience
Peace
Trust
And
Forgiveness!

These are the Fruits of the Spirit!
Eat of them often.

Peace be with you!

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Who said McCain picked Palin?
Posted by: ginarnold on Aug 30, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Why does everyone think McCain, and not his handlers picked Gov. Palin for his VP? McCain has been wandering around on his message for months, changing his positions on offshore drilling, sounding like the original “right to lifer” after years of supporting choice, reversal on tax cuts, not the John McCain of old. It is the hail mary of political moves by a panicked campaign! If it works, and I am not saying it will not, it is brilliant but if it fails, Palin can take Quayle’s place. The ingredient that is left out of course is that it takes for granted that women that would have voted for Clinton will now rush to get on the McCain/Palin train, when Palin is the total opposite of Clinton on all the issues. I think it is an insult to women, in that it assumes women are not paying attention to the issues but will fall for political trickery. Obama did not have nearly the black support a year ago that he does now, and that is because both black and white have seen enough of the Obama’s to like what they see. Obama’s biggest problem is not Palin but that unknown group that simply will not vote for a black person. Hopefully, those types, and they are definitely out there, are already Republicans.

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Her first flip-flop was also their first lie. She supported the bridge to nowhere
Posted by: Beck on Aug 30, 2008 6:04 AM   
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And the Democratic leadership won't make a big enough deal out of this, not compared to what the Republicans would have done had Obama been caught in a flip-flopping lie like this. here's something from the New Republic:

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress.
Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

Read it and pass it on. They would NAIL us if this situation were reversed, and the Dems are almost certainly not going to use this.

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An Easy Choice...
Posted by: doctorlouise@msn.com on Aug 30, 2008 6:10 AM   
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NO ONE ELSE WANTED THE JOB!

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» RE: An Easy Choice... Posted by: reinaldok
» TLV Posted by: tlv
McCain's Pick of Palin as Running Mate is Fraught With High Risk
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Aug 30, 2008 6:12 AM   
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In all the media discussion about whether Sarah Palin will draw support from women who supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries, there are three high-risk factors that have to be taken into account -- any one of which could, figuratively speaking, blow up in McCain's face.

First, the vast majority of Clinton's female supporters are staunchly pro-choice on the abortion issue, as is Clinton herself (as well as Geraldine Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic vice-presidential nominee, whom Palin praised in her introductory speech).

Palin, by sharp contrast, is staunchly anti-choice -- as is John McCain.

I, for one, am not convinced that women who are pro-choice are going to vote for an anti-choice candidate.

Second, by selecting Palin as his running mate, McCain has effectively conceded that in a change-vs.-experience election -- with 80 percent of voters telling pollsters that America is on the wrong track -- the desire for change is too overwhelming for him to overcome and that he needed to find a maverick reformer to appeal to that desire for change.

The "experience" argument that the McCain campaign has hammered Barack Obama with for weeks has been thrown out the window with the selection of 44-year-old Palin -- who not only is younger than the 47-year-old Obama, but has far less experience in government than the Democratic nominee and ZERO foreign-policy experience.

And third, there is the law of unintended consequences: The fact the McCain selected a much-younger running mate on his 72nd birthday is likely to make McCain's age -- he would be the oldest person ever elected president -- loom even larger in the minds of voters than it already is.

It's a fact that since the dawn of the nuclear age, the demands of the job has caused every president since Harry S. Truman to physically age more rapidly in office than they otherwise would. And it's also a fact that McCain has melanoma -- which the stresses of the presidency could make it malignant.

I cannot, therefore, imagine voters avoiding asking themselves on Election Day, "Am I willing to vote for a 72-year-old man who might not live to finish his term in office?"

To say that McCain took a high-risk gamble in choosing his running mate would be an understatement.

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Political Risk or Political Gift?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Aug 30, 2008 6:24 AM   
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That's because the very issues that Democrats say make her a political risk -- her newness to the political world stage, ..., matter very little in determining the outcome of elections.

That may be true, but it seems like the biggest objection I hear from Republicans about Obama is that he is too young, too untested and knows too little about international affairs. This nomination gives Democrats the counter-argument that Sarah Palin is even more young and untested than Barack Obama and by the way, what is her background in international affairs.

How likely is the election of McCain (now 72) apt to lead to the later Presidency of Sarah Palin? It seems likely enough to conclude that John McCain does not see any problem with having a President who is too young, too untested and knows too little about international affairs.

You can be the judge whether this argument has sufficient emotional appeal to make any difference. Perhaps it is too logical to make any difference in the election, but at least we may stop hearing the complaint that Obama is too young, too untested and knows too little about international affairs.

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» The other aspect of this Posted by: MartianBachelor
A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
Posted by: ambrclaire on Aug 30, 2008 6:26 AM   
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The Governor of Alaska is under investigation by her own legislature for abuse of power. The Governor of Alaska is NOT an environmentalist, she approves of drilling in ANWAR. The Governor of Alaska being interviewd on CSpan in Feb sounded like she wasn't sold on the fact that polar bears are an endangered species. The Governor of Alaska should know better than anyone the affect of global warming as her own state is melting. The Governor of Alaska has a running mate who has recurring bouts of cancer and is an old man. The Governor of Alaska is a scary second to the Presidency. Ms. Palin may seem like a maverick but I urge everyone to not just look at "pretty looks"...look at policy. I saw the interview a couple weeks ago with her on CNN and she said she wasnt' even sure what the job of the Vice President is? Good grief!

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It was an "arranged marriage."
Posted by: social democract on Aug 30, 2008 6:28 AM   
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Sarah Palin is the RNC's Harriet Miers. For the next 50 years they can point to her and say, "we're not sexists, we nominated a woman for VP."

Republicans who weren't wild about McCain to begin with, will look at her resume and think, "Can I imagine this person standing toe to toe with Vladimir Putin, or with Nouri al-Maliki when he tells her he wants all US troops out of Iraq within 3 months?"

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Palin's energy plan?
Posted by: dougo on Aug 30, 2008 6:31 AM   
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One major problem with the oil in ANWR or anywhere else,that needs to be brought out is American oil companies aren't drilling for America,They are drilling for their own bottom line. Our oil also goes to the international oil markets.We can't keep our oil,it doesn't belong to us,it will belong to the oil companies and they will take it to the highest bidder just as the oil from the north slope was sold to Japan for our debt to them,incurred by Reagan.This must be brought out to the American Sheeple. The only way we could keep our oil within our country would be to nationalize the oil companies and what are the chances of that happening.Palin who does know something about energy should know this but does she,will she mention it?Highly doubtful on both counts.She doesn't even know the VP is the president of the senate.

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» RE: Palin's energy plan? Posted by: mobilone
John Kerry Won, Al Gore Won
Posted by: ambrclaire on Aug 30, 2008 6:36 AM   
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Let's not forget that the elections were stolen by the Repubbies in 2000 in Florida and in 2004 in Ohio....so more people DID vote for the people with intelligence but the election was stolen.

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» Angry Losers Posted by: edgar1
» Thieves and liars Posted by: LMNOP
"only" VP?
Posted by: social democract on Aug 30, 2008 6:49 AM   
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An awful lot of people, Republicans and Democrats alike, seem to think that Palin is "only" running for VP. Nothing could be further from the truth. The primary Constitutional duty of the VP is to be the understudy for the President. The VP candidates must be evaluated on that basis: "Can this person handle the duties of the Presidency?" On that basis, the parallels to Bush Jr are even more striking. She may have been chosen (by Rove, not by McCain) because as President she could be easily manipulated by whoever they would then appoint to be her VP.

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Do Not Be Fooled By This Choice
Posted by: djnoll on Aug 30, 2008 6:50 AM   
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McCain is a lecherous old dog, but his handlers are not. He did not make this choice, and he only knows about her through third parties. This choice was actually made by the same guys that keep his cell phone away from him on orders from Karl Rove. Let's look at a few realities here:

1. Sarah Palin has less experience in politics or constitutional law than does Barack Obama or Joe Biden, so why even consider her? She is easily controlled and has no aspirations to be President. Any Republican with half a brain and a desire to be (or for that matter experienced enough to be) President was passed over or turned it down because they did not want to be linked to McCain and Bush. Palin was just too stupid to do anything other than accept. There are far more women within the Party who would be better qualified to lead than this woman, and break that glass ceiling.

2. This woman who supposedly puts family values first and was only to happy to choose life, was back at work 3 (three) days after a pre-mature birth of a child with disabilities. If you noticed her yesterday, not only did she not hold or handle that child, she kept a great distance from the daughter whom I suspect is responsible for most of that child's care! Some mother!!!!

3. She is just a woman who had the power to do a little payback, and now is under investigation because she understands that it is not politically correct to challenge women in this country. She understands that women can lie on this kind of matter, hide behind female victimhood, and get away with it because the women's movement has labeled every man a liar and batterer. Her ex-brother-in-law may well have been a monster, but what she did makes her no better - worse, because she used her power and office to inflict harm, and she was not even a party to the original wrong, so it was not even self-defense! Just for the record, I am a 55 year old woman who is sick to death of women hiding their actions of abuse behind a false victimhood.

4. This woman is not someone with experience. She was part-time, co-mayor of a town of 9,000 that saw their taxes go up every year she was there for just 3 years, and before that she was not active in anything political. (And by the way, homes in Wasilla are some of the most expensive in the area, and the cost to live there some of the highest. She may want to appear working-class, but 5 kids and an expensive lifestyle on oil money proves otherwise. She may not be as rich as Cindy McCain, but she is not poor like the rest of us either.) She has only had less than 2 years as governor of Alaska, and part of that time has been under investigation for abuse of power. Obama has nearly twenty years of expertise in constitutional law, civic activism and organization, legislative experience in Illinois and Washington. He actually has more foreign policy expertise than she does, and he does not advocate against the rights of women, as she does.

This choice was made for two reasons: they need a scapegoat who looks good and won't be missed when she goes back to face the music in Alaska, and they need someone who can keep the Evangelical right-wing base of stupid women and good ol'boys distracted while they lose. This senile old man prancing around with two pretty women is just the fantasy that they need to buy Republicans time without relinquishing control of their policy base.

Personally, she wants to be Vice President? Then let Joe Biden have at her, no holds barred. If she cannot take the heat of such a debate, then she should not even be in this race! She could no more handle the cutthroat politics of Washington than fly to the moon. He stood up for women, and she took his best efforts and used it to justify an attack on a man - she deserves his best shots! And, she is most definitely not fit to be just a heartbeat way from running this nation!

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» Rsponse part two: Posted by: djnoll
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» RE: sponse part two: Posted by: djnoll
» False charges of abuse Posted by: IntnsRed
» That's absolutely correct. Posted by: GuitarBill
» thank you for informed comment Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
Bird's eye view
Posted by: surfreality on Aug 30, 2008 6:50 AM   
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My first impression is that it's a reactionary choice. It's a republican response to how they perceive the Obama vs. Hillary dynamic.

My second impression is I do not think she has been thoroughly vetted.
There is still a lot to learn here. We know she flip flopped on the "bridge to nowhere" and we know that she regurgitates the mendacious republican talking point that ANWAR oil is destined for American use.
Yesterday it was reported that she does not believe in evolution. Is this true? If so what kind of message does that send about the current state of American education?
She is radically anti-abortion. Is she also radically anti-birth control?
If so THAT can be exploited. She and her husband may be cool with having 5 kids but the vast majority of the rest of us feel 5 kids is a bit above our pay grade.

3rd impression: Her husband... what do we know about him?

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» RE: Bird's eye view Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Bird's eye view Posted by: Lauren
"AMERICA IS...NOT READY FOR A FEMALE, U.S. PRESIDENT"
Posted by: One American Lady on Aug 30, 2008 7:04 AM   
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No woman of America, likes to feel that "they can be Out-Bested, by Another Female, No Matter What That Female Has Accomplished in Life".
It is Only When, Female Leaders, help Other People, Reach a Potential...Can They Become
Respected, in a Proper Manner...& have the
Assurance of Others, that "they Trust That
Female...with Any Part of Their Lives, even to
that of Themselves & Their Children".
Much Respect was given to Hillary Rodham Clinton, because...she Respected Other Women &
had Compassion for Their Situations & The Females of America, the Women...who Respected Hillary...had Nothing to Fear, from Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The Women of America, have grown up, learning & knowing Hillary Clinton & watching her Mature, in the Public Eye.
When a Female, gets in the limelight, one who
is Not Known...across the Nation, People naturally feel threatened, by the Ways / Actions of a Stranger, who will be Required to Perform Job Skills, that "Will Effect the Lives, of All the Citizens of America", & the Children & Youth of America...& if the Female / Woman, Leader...seems "ABOVE THE PEOPLE", another human life...then... many times, there is rejection.
It will Not Surprise Me, based on the Conversations, of the people, which I've met, in the past few days, that An "Independent" will get a Lot of Votes, in this Presidential Election, which is Making History, for America... for many reasons, having to do with the Struggles of the Various Races of People, who have come to America or been born here... & are Now "living below the Poverty Level", in
a Country, which is Supplied with Many Natural Resources, which could be used for Proper Housing / Nutritious Foods / Income for Good Healthcare Maintenance / Opportunities for Jobs, if the Leaders of Our Nation, would just Increase the Opportunities for Development, so there would be Job Opportunities / Educational Opportunities.
For Years, at least more than 50 Years, Our Young People who are, age 45 & younger...have
seen Drastic Changes in Economy & their Environment & in the Development of Modern Technology...to the Point that Farming & Ranching & "living off the land" is "Almost a Lost Art"...& the Health of the U.S. Citizens has Declined..."lots of Baby Boomers, who are now of the age, for Homebound Care"... draining the Funds of Medicare & other Federal & State Aid.
The Need for Qualified Nurses & Teachers, are "in Great Demand", but the Pay for them, is Not Enough for the Compassion which is needed, for Both Types of Jobs, & a Personal Care Worker, can "Make More Money" than either
a Nurse or a Teacher...at least in the long run, they can...& "they can always find work & benefits", anywhere they live, too.
Our American Leaders need to Responsible, for
All Things, That is Presented to the American People, for Their Survival...& Be Ready to Remedy, Any Part of It, that "Does Not Enhance, the Life of the Citizen", who resides in America.
I am of the Opinion, that "A Man, SHOULD BE THE ...LEADER OF THE NATION, OF AMERICA & THE PEOPLE, THEREIN".
No Wonder, George Washington, became known as the "Father of Our Country". He was an Excellent Role Model for Any Young Male (or Female)... who has the Right to Reach Their Own Potential in Life...& Not Be Forced to Live Up to the Expectations of Others... because Each of Us... have Our Own Individuality, that Might Not Be of the Ability to Meet the "Expectations of Society".
America is a Country of "Equality as an Individual" & "the Freedoms, by Which We Support & Live By, Provide Us the Opportunity, to Be All We Can Be, as a Human Being".
Our Sons, Need a Role Model of a Man...Leader in America...& a "First Lady" to Serve as a Female Role Model, for the Females, young & old, alike, in America.
This is the Tradition...that Our Country was Based On, We Are Responsible, for "Keeping This Intact"

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Both Parties are Disgusting, Unamerican, and Antilife.
Posted by: bottom-line on Aug 30, 2008 7:11 AM   
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The Repugs are evil. They have been hiding behind the skirts of the prolifers for years. They have done nothing to save one single unborn baby. The Repugs are as prolife as Ghengis Khan or Anton Lavey. It's all rhetoric. When the chips are down, it's all about war and death and oppression.

The two parties are two peas in a pod, both owned by the same puppet masters. The rhetoric is a bit different on things like abortion, but when it comes down to it, the Repugs are as bloodthirsty and heartless as the Demoncrats.

Both parties suck dance for the same puppet masters, and it's all about reducing the world population through war, abortion, famine and disease.

I'm not voting, not giving credence to this whole dog and pony show by participating in it. Sara Pelin should not be lending her good name to a murdering lunatic like McCain. If she was really prolife, she would not be doing so.

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» sooo, you're "up with people?" Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
» Ghengis Khan vs. Anton LaVey Posted by: crashgrab
Debates
Posted by: reinaldok on Aug 30, 2008 7:28 AM   
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I don't know if a VP debate is scheduled.
I sure would like to witness a Biden-Palin discussion of their world wide experience. That would be great.

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» RE: Debates Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: October 2 in St. Louis. Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
Is trigonometry just a theory, like evolution?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 30, 2008 7:29 AM   
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To have a baby despite knowing for sure he'll have Down syndrome? Most women, IMO, will think Palin is a heartless monster.

Also she named the kid TRIG. Again, a heartless monster! It certainly takes attention away from those supposedly ridiculous "black" names, doesn't it?

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» Bigot Posted by: edgar1
» RE: Bigot Posted by: crashgrab
» "anti-American?" Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
Dumped her newborn at three days old
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Aug 30, 2008 7:40 AM   
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So much for family values--given Gov. Palin dumped her newborn when he was three days old to run back to work. Ego trumps bonding. Especially a Downs Syndrome child could have used the one-on-one mother time.

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donnal
Posted by: donnal on Aug 30, 2008 7:52 AM   
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Well what we have gotten from the Ivy League schools have not helped this country...

Yale, Harvard and Oxford. Let's have some common sense from achievers and not the overly price educated.

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» RE: donnal Posted by: badkitty
» RE: donnal Posted by: crashgrab
InSane, Reckless, Poor Judgment, Scary, Insulting to..
Posted by: picket on Aug 30, 2008 7:54 AM   
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mothers who want to stay at home and raise their FIVE children and a baby with special needs BUT cannot afford to do so. She does not know the duties of the VP?

Insulting to Hillary, Mitt, Rudy, Joe L.... Insulting to foreign leaders and to a World with serious problems.

Refuse major debates about Abortion, as that is what the GOP wants and it is a winning card.

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Progressive agenda direction actually
Posted by: crwightroberts on Aug 30, 2008 8:04 AM   
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What Obama has done is to adapt a progressive agenda direction and finally taken on conservatism & trickle down voo-doo-nomics for the fraud that it is. He has wisely adopted the language of progressive populism of Kucinich that was tapped by Edwards. However,this is only a direction for his domestic agenda. On foriegn policy it is Neo-Lib-Con crap so with the deficit and the "war hole in Uncle Sam's arm where all the money goes" these programs are destined for a stall like Bill Clinton with his original "Medicare for all" Healthcare & Enterprise zones to rebuild local economies that failed. If Obama stays on this course he will lose either the election or if elected a chance to fix what is wrong. If he moves left he differentiales himself from McCain who will surely cast his agenda as conservative maverick libertarian populism so it will come down to national insecurity.

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Sarah Palin could be extremely dangerous
Posted by: BobS on Aug 30, 2008 8:10 AM   
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I don't know very much about Sarah Palin other than what I have read in the recent media deluge. I've learned to view much of what I read in the media (and that includes the leftwing media) with appropriate skepticism until the real story has a chance to come out.

I do know this. People have consistently underestimated Republican politicians like Spiro Agnew, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

My immediate impression of Sarah Palin was similar to the author. All of my alarm bells went off. Not only does she seem to have that political charisma that so impresses millions of American voters, she appears to be very intelligent.

Reagan with a brain? We could have another Margaret Thatcher right here in in the USA.

God help us if that is true.
The BobboSphere

Bob Simpson

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Sorry Newly "Excited" Repugs - Palin Won't Work
Posted by: DreamFast on Aug 30, 2008 8:16 AM   
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The Repugs so called "excitement" over Palin is merely a lightening-speed grasp at "hope", springing violently from their deep and growing fear and desparation.

Palin is their Hail Mary Pass and the ball has yet to land, but when it does, it will miss it's mark and fail to connect, and the Repubs will be back where they started in this game - LOSERS.

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Credit cards, etc., this author is wrong. It is a trick.
Posted by: Lauren on Aug 30, 2008 8:21 AM   
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If individuals always did what was best for them... they would stick to purchasing necessities and use credit cards as a last resort -- only when there's not enough money at the end of the month to pay for groceries or utility bills.

The authors advice is the wrong use of credit card entirely. A cash savings account is what you need for the end of the month bills, NOT a credit card. If you don't have money to pay for it, go without. The author is ignorant of the best practices in cases of basic money management, is giving very bad advice.

Huge red flag!

The best use of credit card is to use it for all your purchases and pay off promptly every month. This way you have the purchase protection and ease of use at very low cost.

the Dems still haven't figured out how to defend a woman's right to choose in a way that voters can identify with on a gut level.

Flat out factual error, promoting the other side. Clear case of proslavery bias. Entirely typical practice in 'journalism' these days.

Imagine it: debating a female candidate -- a mother -- who can say, "I had a choice, and I chose life." That's the challenge Biden will face. He must defend a woman's right to choose while avoiding coming across as callous or attacking the mother of a disabled child.

Simply explaining that Palin is an "anti-woman woman" isn't enough. That kind of message assumes voters will respond with logic and reason. But for those who aren't steeped in gender issues, it risks either sounding loony or being dismissed.


It will be anyway.

RISK SOUNDING LOONY OR BEING DISMISSED

Those are their favorite tactics. Risk their favorite tactics. You know that got me mauled where it hurts a whole lot. It was a conspiracy too. This threat is a lot more dangerous then it sounds on the surface.


Well if it isn't all a slick trick to take away our right to choose, it sure looks like it.

I don't expect Biden to the one to defend us women from a woman, and I have serious issues with anyone who proposes that it is his job. What a set up, lob the idea up there, the big media grab a hold of it and next thing we all know they are telling us we all voted for it. It has happened before. It is a trick.

Whoever is setting this dog and pony show up is very highly suspect.

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McBush
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 30, 2008 8:22 AM   
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I have arrived at the obviously conclusion that McBush is smoking Crack! In fact, his now name is now McCrack! He has completely gone bonkers.

Whistler
Ultimate Anonymity

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I Don't Mean To Be Rude But
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 30, 2008 8:22 AM   
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How the hell did she make "runner-up for Miss Alaska"?

Yes I've seen 1984

"Upon hearing the news, Monty Python member Michael Palin was devastated hearing he was NOT the Palin chosen"

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» You Did Mean To Be Rude Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
TLV
Posted by: tlv on Aug 30, 2008 8:26 AM   
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If feminism is all about strength and standing your ground, Palin embodies it. How confusing this must be for Republicans who cannot fathom voting for a woman.

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» RE: TLV Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: TLV Posted by: loxias
The Big Oil pick
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 30, 2008 8:27 AM   
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Big Oil politics in Alaska are sleazy.

She became Governor in January of 2007, after being a Republican political appointee (e.g. political welfare for candidates who lose).

Governor Palin of Alaska promoted a known sexual harasser who had just been relieved of supervision of his victim.

Around May of 2007 she apparently had to take drugs to conceive a fifth kid. The kid came out around the Governor's 44th birthday. She then didn't have much time for the kid because she was governor. People make strange decisions. In part because Governor Palin was 44, the kid has a major birth defect, Down's Syndrome.

As the Alternet video shows, Governor Palin couldn't say what a vice president does. Other than her Bachelor's degree from the University of Idaho, we don't know how many times she's visited the lower 48 states.

In her lifetime she won her one governor's race by 7% over the Democrat in a fiercely Republican state, and she won her second mayor's race by 600 votes (that's more than it sounds like, it was a small town). That's most of her political career.

I'd say that she's an articulate and photogenic sports reporter, and will do quite well in front of the cameras when coached for a debate, but she hasn't always make good decisions in her extremely short political life.

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» RE: The Big Oil pick Posted by: bottom-line
Wondering
Posted by: Jean Siracusa on Aug 30, 2008 8:30 AM   
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Pro life, Pro choice...What is this about? Are humans so ignorant that they do not understand that to be pro life, that must mean pro ALL life? Is it possible that humans are so ignorant that the unborn human fetus is the only life to protect and respect...only to send it to war when it reaches the right age? Is that pro life? Are humans so ignorant that they do not understand that they are connected to other forms of life to sustain theirs? Is this pro life? We are disrespectful of life in general when we do not consider other forms of life. Quality of life does not even enter this term. Would you want to live without the ability to think, unable to walk, see or hear and be dependant on others until you died? Be honest now...think of your living will!

Why is it that so few people really understand that we are dependent on the honey bee, the microbes that live in our soil, and the plants that produce our food? That is life folks...to be PRO LIFE would mean that you would respect it all. You would not allow the poisoning of our soil, water, and air. You would not allow harm to any other living organism any more than to a human fetus, and you would understand than there are consequences to choices you make. You would know that all life is interconnected.

Humans have been on this earth for but a minute compared with other organisms. Those who did not adapt have disappeared...perhaps it is time to began a genuine education of the meaning of life.

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» RE: Wondering Posted by: bottom-line
» wow Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
» RE: Wondering Posted by: Jean Siracusa
» RE: Wondering Posted by: crashgrab
» RE: Wondering Posted by: audreyvest
» RE: Wondering Posted by: crashgrab
Vote for change by not voting ...
Posted by: derekclontz on Aug 30, 2008 8:42 AM   
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The writer of this piece says: Voters -- some of whom dissect policy issues daily, but most of whom don't -- ultimately cast their ballots based on emotion. Not logic. Not knowledge of "the issues" ... Indeed, just as many women and conservatives will vote Republican merely because Sarah Palin is physically attractive, a mother of 5, rides snowmobiles and hunts - or is "a woman - almost certainly a significant and likely overwhelming majority of the 80 to 90 percent of African Americans who are expected to support the Democratic ticket will vote that way because Barack Obama shares their skin color and really knows how to work a teleprompter (but don't get me wrong - I like the guy). Let's face it: Democracy is over the heads of what seems to be a clear majority of Americans these days. In our dumbed-down, consumerism-driven, celebrity-mad, TV-crazed, fake news-ruled society, the uninformed are King, and our freedom is shriveling on the the vine. The bottom line? Express your wishes for news parties and new ideas and REAL change by NOT voting. A 10 to 20 percent turnout in a presidential election will force the issue ...

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Nazi Mind?
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 30, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Keep up this rhetoric. You will elect her. Amazing. We really should maintain a real Nazi camp in eastern North Dakota where idiots who sling the word Nazi can go for a month and experience what a real Bergen Belsen or Chelmno was like.

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How Foolish to Put the Right to Kill the Unborn as the Premier "Right"
Posted by: bottom-line on Aug 30, 2008 8:50 AM   
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We are about to be decimated by Russian nuclear bombs and all you care about is the right to kill your unborn child?

What utter lunacy.

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» hahahahahahahahahahahahaha... Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Fetus is Latin for "baby" Posted by: Romans1
» RE: Fetus is Latin for "baby" Posted by: crashgrab
» RE: Fetus is Latin for "baby" Posted by: crashgrab
The Republicans Are Crazy. Her Acceptance Speech reminds me of Desperate Housewives
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 30, 2008 8:58 AM   
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So if elected and McCain has a heart attack, the girl who failed to make Miss Alaska - "a person whose only previous experience of government has been the mayoralty of a "city" smaller than the average West Country holiday village and a year as Governor of a State with a population a third of the size of West Yorkshire" gets the Number 1 job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk
/1/hi/world/americas/7588435.stm

Looks like Obama should get a landslide.

Americans can't be that stupid

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Prophecy
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 30, 2008 9:00 AM   
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"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand.

So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost. All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." ~ H.L. Mencken

Seems this prophecy has already come true. And since the Democraps are unable to frame any argument do not scoff at McInsane and his VP choice. As I see it, it matches Mencken's description to a T.

As for me I am going third party this year and sitting out the insanity of a pretense for an election. THIS and ONLY this will make a difference in this country if enough people wake up.

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» RE: Prophecy Posted by: Shey
Does this bother any other women??
Posted by: MCBC on Aug 30, 2008 9:17 AM   
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When I saw McCain's choice--and got past the head shaking, bemused laughter stage--here is where I went, and I wonder what other women think of this. (I feel somewhat guilty, given my feminist roots, even thinking this much less voicing it, but there it is.) She is portrayed as a paragon of maternal virtue, having carried a Downs Syndrome baby boy to term, and welcomed him to her family. Admirable, to me, on a personal level. But that special needs little child is only 4 months old! An infant! And this woman, who has no special experience or talent that the country desperately needs--other than, perhaps, the ability to get McCain elected-- is choosing THIS time, with THIS baby, to jump into a grueling political race and, possibly, demanding national political life?? The right may see her as a shining example of motherhood, but to me her circumstances suggest more a person who uses her family for staging, and whose ambitions trump the personal responsibilities she brought on herself.

Would I have the same sense if she were a man? Maybe not, and that is something I have to deal with. But, if a candidate is using the circumstance of motherhood for political gain, isn't it fair to examine it?

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A FRIGHTENING THOUGHT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 30, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Is this a Republican plan to completely derail the entire election and political process as we know it? There is no rhyme or reason to McCain's choice for VP. Even the 'values' thing just isn't enough. She doesn't even know what the job is about. This smells of Karl Rove. The Repubs. never had much of a chance and McCain seemed like a token candidate. I hope Obama & Biden can stay on track and not be completely thrown by this. That's what it's meant to do. Thanks, ANNA

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the DEMS should "underestimate her at their peril???"
Posted by: mia_nj on Aug 30, 2008 9:20 AM   
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so now we know the talking point. I've heard this exact phrase three times in 24 hours .. and by supposed independents or dems. Now my question is this ... THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF LOSING THE ELECTION? We should ALL be afraid, very afraid, of a McCain presidency, now more than ever. What if the worst happens, and he should be unable to serve during his term -- for whatever reason. Sarah Palin becomes the ... President? She's governed (if you could call it that) a state of 655,000 people. When she was mayor, her "duties" were to show up for council meetings, and she wasn't allowed to vote. Her husband worked for BP -- she's going to "go after the oil companies?" She is NOT qualified to be VP. And for those who say that Obama suffers from a lack of government experience, I think you need to look at the social and outreach projects he's managed to see how he would lead. Or, look at his legislation, coauthored with Richard Lugar to secure loose nukes in Russia. This isn't even a debate.

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Biden must be careful
Posted by: bettyn on Aug 30, 2008 9:23 AM   
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debating this chick. He can be Obama's attack dog when he's focusing on the Repugs and McCain, but he'll look like a bully if he goes after Palin too hard in their debate. Obama had to be careful with this against Hillary, and so will Joe.

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» Not at all... Posted by: hurricane hugo
Please stop explaining why Dems "lost" 2004, it was stolen
Posted by: TeresaHommel on Aug 30, 2008 9:25 AM   
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If you still think Kerry lost 2004, please watch "Stealing America Vote by Vote" when it comes to your town. http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/
Computers switched tallies in Ohio and other places. Touchscreens that graciously offered to display the ballot in Spanish were able to target Spanish-speaking voters for blanked out votes. The real questions are (1) why the Dem party didn't fight the theft, (2) why the Dem party now has legal teams in every state and computer teams... where? (3) why citizens think the government owes us a fair election, and doesn't fight to get involved in the conduct of our own elections. To find the election integrity organization in your locality go to ElectionDefenseAlliance.org

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» Wha Wha Posted by: edgar1
parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Aug 30, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Just wait until the naked pictures of her come out! And they will. Game over.

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» Show It All! Posted by: edgar1
republican experiance does not matter
Posted by: wonderblob on Aug 30, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Republican Presidents are just bobbing heads for PNAC, AIPAC, and other corporate government media conglomerates. It does not matter what their experience is. In fact, the less experience the better. With 5 kids Ms. Palin needs to learn to do a little more head bobbing anyway.

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» Good for a motto . . . Posted by: countingdaisies
the issues at hand
Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on Aug 30, 2008 9:39 AM   
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I would like to apologize to Alternet for responding to the comments of "bottom-line." I couldn't refrain myself. The problem is, this abortion issue is not off topic, but rather, sadly of the highest import to many people in this country. This choice of VP by the RNC is obviously a ploy to derail the national conversation about all the other issues, to divert our attention to this one single issue because of her actions regarding the birth of her youngest child.

This nation is in Big Trouble, and the RNC has decided to go this route for a very cold and calculated reason. But stand strong, Progressives. We have alot of work to do. This is our one and only chance to turn things around. I encourage everyone who understands how corrupt the system itself is, those who feel like voting for a third party or not voting at all, to remember the Real bottom line - that if we want to change the system, it is imperative to get the Democratic Party into the Whitehouse as a stop-gap measure, to at least get the lesser of two evils in control. Then, we work toward real change, and there is indeed alot of work to be done. But I stand by my gut feeling that Obama and Biden both really want to fix the system itself. They are both smart, Obama is black, and he displays Leadership Qualities, and is an expert on Constitutional Law - that would be a change, right there!

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» Not so distinguished Posted by: edgar1
Thank You McStained-My-Pants-Again
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 30, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Facts about Palin:


• She is anti-abortion even in cases of rape and incest. She's on record about this.
• She is in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.  She's on record about this.
• She is in favor of teaching creationism in schools.  She's on record about this.  This came to light during her debate for governor.
• She had ZERO political experience until elected mayor of a gravel-mining town called Wasilla in '97. Before that, she was on the PTA.
• She's embroiled in a federal investigation at this VERY MOMENT.
• The third line of her resume reads 'runner up in a beauty contest'.  
• She is on record as stating the following (ON VIDEO).  'I've not paid a lot of attention to Iraq.  I'm too busy running a state.'
• She is on record as NOT KNOWING WHAT A VP DOES! She is on VIDEO stating this.  
• Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees.
• Palin supported AK's constitutional amendment barring gay marriages.
• Picking a VP is one of the first serious, consequential decisions of a presidential candidate. It is somewhat like a parent choosing who will be the guardian of their child in the event of death. The VP isn't just some vote-grabbing machine - it is the second-highest Constitutional office. For JM to offer this slot to someone with such meagre credentials, whom he hardly even knows, is a sign of serious character disturbance.
• Rush Limbaugh is on record as being the one who chose her. She was not McCain's first, second or third choice. 1, 2 and 3 turned him down.
• Despite having an immense coastline along the Arctic Ocean, and despite the fact that Arctic sea ice is melting at an unprecedented rate, Palin is on record as not 'believing in global climate change'.
• Palin is against putting polar bears on the endangered species list despite the unprecedented decline of their species.
• Karl Rove is on record with the following observation:

On August 10, Karl Rove went on “Face The Nation” to argue that Senator Obama would make an “intensely political choice” for Vice President without regard for the “responsibilities of president.” At the time, Rove believed Obama would choose Tim Kaine, and argued against him by saying this:


"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it’s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It’s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?"  --Karl Rove

THEN THIS.....

Earlier this month, Karl Rove repeatedly argued that Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine (D) would not be “capable” of being Vice President. He complained that “he’s been a governor for three years” and said Kaine was mayor of only the “the 105th largest city in America,” referring to Kaine’s tenure as mayor of Richmond, VA. “It’s not a big town,” he quipped.
Yesterday, however, Rove argued just the opposite with regard to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R). He explained on Fox News that Palin was a good choice as McCain’s vice presidential nominee because she was “mayor of the second largest city in Alaska." (more)

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» ...continued Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Thank You...McCain Posted by: SharC
SuznC
Posted by: SuznC on Aug 30, 2008 9:40 AM   
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Sarah Palin's stand on abortion is well known, but what about contraception? Given the administration's current efforts to define birth control as a form of abortion and make abstinence look appealing to teenage girls, it is important to confront Palin with an important question: If you were president, would you support legislation to ban the pill and other forms of birth control? I strongly urge progressives, especially women, to contact their local media outlets and demand that they raise this issue in their coverage of the Republican vice-presidential candidate.

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» RE: SuznC Posted by: thealltheone
Much Truth in the Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 30, 2008 9:44 AM   
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There is much truth in this article. People do vote for who makes them feel good at the moment, even if it is against their best interests in the long run. That explains Bush, Reagan, Huckabee and other morons. BUT I also think the article is a bit fatalistic. I don't think that is inevitable. I think if we raised awareness of how those psychological dynamics worked, a more self aware public might rexamine its psyche and be forced to research the issues. We have had public service campaign after campaign about "healthy" eating. Is that the ONLY behavior worthy of examination? Why can't we have public service campaigns about civic awareness? Oh wait! Then people might be actively involved in the political process and determine their own destinies vs. simply being tunnel visioned about their scales! Silly me!

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HEEES BACK!
Posted by: sirios on Aug 30, 2008 9:47 AM   
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or never left. Does anyone think this smells like KKK Rove?

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» RE: He never left!!!!!!!!! Posted by: thealltheone
Ba
Posted by: mnstra on Aug 30, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Woman will see right through Mc Cains window dressing;unfortunately, Obama may win. When both candidates are messianic clowns. Vote Nader, a Man with a heart an consistent integrity for decades Yes ,Mc Cain has performed public service for decades, but what a bad and insulting choice. --An ex beauty queen .This is what he really thinks of Americans. Moreover,Has any body asked why the Governor had to get an in utero diagnostic in the first place if She was going to have the baby anyway? She does not believe in abortion. Or does she?

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» RE:normal procedure Posted by: thealltheone
» RE: Ba Posted by: master09
a very smart post
Posted by: maggiemahar on Aug 30, 2008 10:10 AM   
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I thought McCain would pick a woman--especially
if Obama didn't pick HRC.

Now McCain has a woman who

--has one son going to Iraq and another with
Down's Syndrome

-- fought corruption in Alaska state govt --and won.

-- is married to a union leader/steel worker who is 1/8 Eskimo

-- is a strong athlete, ice fishes, and was 2nd runner up to Miss Alaska (a great smile)

-- is against Gay marriage but vetoed a bill that would have taken away benefits for partners of state employees

-- is a strong Christian conservative

Does this qualify her to be President or VP?

No.

Does this make her a very,very strong candidate in a televised campaign where any pretense of a separation between church and state has dissolved (with help from our candidate) Yes.

I'm afraid Obama blew it when he decided he couldn't stomach HRC as his running mate.
He and HRC (with help from Michelle) could have beaten McCain and Palin (or McCain and anyone).

Now, I'm very, very worried. . .

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» RE: a very smart post Posted by: SharC
President Sarah Palin! Hail to the Chief!
Posted by: macktan on Aug 30, 2008 10:26 AM   
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McCain is 72 years old. I don't care what kind of health report he touts, the older we are, the more death is an issue. Sometimes suddenly...for no reason. Remember, Tim Russert. This makes it more likely than not that McCain's vp could actually become president.

I don't view this as a joke. I take it as an insult. Clearly, McCain believes that both Obama and Clinton derive their popularity from either gender or race, to him a trend of novelty, of celebrity. If he was serious about making a progressive choice, surely he would have chosen from the many other very qualified Republican women in his party. But he doesn't see this as about issues, he think's this is a fad. "If I'm going to pick a woman," he grumbles,"she's got to be as purty as Cindy and one of the guys." Beauty queen + caribou hunter!

This proves McCain has truly lost it and needs a mental test. How insulting that he belittle the candidates and American citizens by proposing that this gal be president of the United States!

This isn't change; it's more of the same.

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no worries!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Posted by: thealltheone on Aug 30, 2008 10:29 AM   
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All my repug friends are totally disgusted, they are either not voting, or throwing away a vote but not on McSame! Hee, Hee, it back fired, it will, no one is that stupid. uh, except maybe some of the repug posters here, they are a bit delusional, and why anyone here responds to them is wasting time. Where have all the intelligent posters from Alternet gone? I know, they do not have time for stupid dribble and ignorant rhetoric. This forum was intended to be for intelligent solutions or like minded opinions & sharing information not attacks on each other. The repugs have their own forums, I guess the ones above just do not have a life and like to start trouble where ever they go. Have a great day, we are going to have our first HALF black president!

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Palin chosen because
Posted by: helenahanbasquet on Aug 30, 2008 10:29 AM   
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she's the only person they could find in government who has a son in the military.

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» Biden has a son in the military Posted by: audreyvest
» Duh Posted by: edgar1
at least she's no Dick Cheney, but
Posted by: Ripcord on Aug 30, 2008 10:34 AM   
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she could be the chair of the Senate breaking a tie vote on whether to indict Cheney

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Glitzcity
Posted by: JFB on Aug 30, 2008 10:53 AM   
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GIDGET'S GOT A GUN!!!!

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After living here all these years...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Aug 30, 2008 10:59 AM   
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And seeing the crap reasons that people give for voting for people it isn't hard to imagine a Mc Cain win. They voted in droves twice for a clown they felt they could drink a beer with? All I can say is the paramount issue that is being totally lost here by BOTH sides is that planet Earth will not continue to support life as we know it if we continue not to understand that we simply cannot continue to use fossil fuels. They act like it's more important to find a way to get the price of gas CHEAP again... why, so people will go back to burning more of it? I hear Obama cleverly saying to roars of approval that within ten years we will be free of dependence on "MIDDLE EAST"oil... meaning, of course we will simply mine Canadian oils sands and somehow find a way to make burning coal "clean"... why not try to turn lead to gold while you're at it.

The climate issue is nowhere in this campaign and it is really the only issue for the survival of life as we know it. By the time there is some huge catastrophe that even idiots like John McCain and Sarah Palin can't deny is climate related, it will be too late for life. Get educated on this, don't just buy into another fashon show of electoral hoopla and allow the media to tell you what the "issues" are... a McCain Palin win will see increased use of oil and coal and nuclear... but so will an Obama/ Biden win. At least Obama has given some mention to alternative energy so I'll hold my nose and go with him and hope that he will listen to the scientific data that is overwhelming in its predictions.

This isn't some liberal joke, people... this is serious shit and we are talking about the ONLY PLACE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE where life like ours can happen... it's been ruined before by comet and asteroid impacts and by massive vulcanism... the planet got so hot that nearly every life form on the planet died... the seas became stagnant and toxic gasses from all the putrifying life in the sea bubbled up and swept over the land carried by breezes and killed everything there too... life eventually comes back but it is always very different from what was before. The choice is yours and after the last two elections, my hopes are not very high at this point. People here are so programmed by their TVs that they'll vote based on someone's mode of dress or their religious views and pay no attention at all to what these people would actually do in office. The Supreme Court is a fine example... McCain and Palin would insure that we had a full court of Scalias and Thomases. Think about that...

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Beautiful, dutiful wife
Posted by: john2007 on Aug 30, 2008 11:01 AM   
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I agree with your thesis that it would be a mistake to underestimate Ms.Palin. She is obviously many different things to many different people. Certainly, she has the instant support of the bible thumpers and the NRA slobs, but the real question is what will Joe Sixpack and Jane Doe do with her. She brings the reassurance of a traditional wife and mother; she won't threaten the women hating creeps in hard hats or the millions of uneducated gals in service and clerical work. Her youth and good looks are an obvious asset that will help the sagging McCain campaign.

It will take a strong and serious education effort by the Dems to get the truth out about how dangerous she will be to the woman's movement and how totally unprepared she will be to take over when Johnny Boy kicks the bucket.

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» RE: Beautiful, dutiful wife Posted by: master09
Peggy Hill Runs for Vice President
Posted by: Libertine on Aug 30, 2008 11:15 AM   
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After listening to Sarah Palin speak yesterday, I had to wonder if McCain was kidding us. She gave the impression that she's still a small-town soccer mom addressing the PTA, rather than a candidate capable of being the leader of the free world on a moment's notice should McCain be elected.

Actually, she reminded me strongly of the character Peggy Hill (from the TV show, King of the Hill), a self-important woman who constantly overestimates her abilities and qualifications and who is always trying to get involved in activities where she clearly out of her depth.

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» No! No! Posted by: countingdaisies
It was a PANIC move by the GOP!! ( a cartoon )
Posted by: what0now0toons on Aug 30, 2008 11:17 AM   
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Yes, it's true, PANIC has set in for the GOP. 38 million viewers, more that Chinese Olympics opening ceremonies and the last episode of American Idol, as well as a full cheering and shouting stadium of ecstatic Democrats has the GOP is stunned. The reality of a monumental loss of biblical proportions is staring them flat in the face and the prospect of ddecades out of power again! So what else could they do but pander, they do it so shamelessly, to the PUMA's. Of course the Pumas were of their own design, their creation to create disillusionment in Hillary supporters and convince them they can't vote for Obama because he beat their candidate who they say deserved the nomination. A devious plan of Rovian proportions, with multiple ways to interpret the facts and lead the listener down a path of their design. One small catch, Hillary supporters didn't buy it, Hillary supporters cared about the issues, not just gender politics, and I thank them for that. Well the GOP has been ( there's a nice thought ) telling this Puma lie over and over so long that they have come to believe it, and in a panic they choose their former beauty queen, no experience candidate.
here's my left of center cartoon on the topic... www.whatnowtoons.com

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and her son is deploying to Icrack on 9/11 ?
Posted by: DeaconJ on Aug 30, 2008 11:19 AM   
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Her statement about her son going to Iraq on September 11th is the rusty nail in the metaphorical boxing glove being pummeled into the gullible public.

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Sarah Palin: not a token, but not a good choice, either
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 30, 2008 11:20 AM   
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In the current issue of Sojourners, a progressive Christian periodical on the religious Left, Reverend Jim Wallis quotes John McCain (on the anniversary of Dr. King's assassination) as saying:

"Some people lament privately, others are brave enough to take their call for change into the public arena. Martin Luther King III has done his father's legacy proud this week by courageously insisting that our nation's next leader do something about...poverty...I will answer his call, and tell him and the American people today that I will make the eradication of poverty a top priority of the McCain administration."

The current issue of Sojourners interviews both John Edwards and Mike Huckabee on the eradication of poverty, and quotes Mike Huckabee as saying, "I'm a conservative but I'm not a nut. If my choice is a government program or a hungry kid, then give me the government program."

Mike Huckabee says:

"One of the things I'm frustrated about is that Republicans have been infiltrated by hardcore libertarians. Traditional Republicans don't hate all forms of government. They just want it to be efficient and effective. They recognize that it has a place and a role. Growing numbers of people in the Republican party are just short of anarchists in the sense that they basically say: 'Just cut government and cut taxes.' They don't understand that if you do that, there are certain consequences that do not help problems. It exacerbates them."

Jim Wallis says Huckabee told a "values voter" gathering in 2007, "I do not spell G-O-D...G-O-P."

Unfortunately, it's business as usual in the GOP. Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, says:

“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.

“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.

“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”

In the early '90s, George Bush Sr. referred to environmentalists as "the spotted owl crowd," indirectly indicating Republicans don't understand environmentalism. "And (yet) they call themselves 'pro-life'," mused Fox News' token liberal commentator Alan Colmes a few years ago.

I am disheartened by Sarah Palin's record and ties to Big Oil, but not surprised. She is, after all, a conservative, running for VP on a Republican ticket.

To her credit, Sarah Palin is a member of Feminists For Life, an organization that is both pro-woman AND pro-life. Feminists For Life was founded in 1972, when the National Organization for Women (NOW) expelled all its pro-life members--to stifle dissent on the abortion issue.

I wish pro-life Dems had the kind of visibility within our own Party that pro-choice Republicans have in theirs.

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