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The Dangerous Consequences of Recruiting Nazis to Serve in Iraq

By David Holthouse, Hate Watch. Posted August 29, 2008.


The U.S. military appears to be teaching a skinhead with genocide on his mind how to become a tactical bomb maker.

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The racist skinhead logged on with exciting news: He'd just enlisted in the United States Army.

"Sieg Heil, I will do us proud," he wrote. It was a June 3 post to AryanWear Forum 14, a neo-Nazi online forum to which "Sobibor's SS," who identified himself as a skinhead living in Plantersville, Ala., had belonged since early 2004. (Sobibor was a Nazi death camp in Poland during World War II).

About a month after he announced his enlistment, Sobibor's SS bragged in another post to Forum 14 that he'd specifically requested and been assigned to MOS, or Military Occupational Specialty, 98D. MOS98D soldiers are in high demand right now. That's because they're specially trained in disarming Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) like the infamous roadside bombs that are killing and maiming so many U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Presumably, a part of learning how to disarm an IED is learning how to make one.

"I have my own reasons for wanting this training but in fear of the government tracing me and me loosing [sic] my clearance I can't share them here," Sobibor's SS informed his fellow neo-Nazis.

One of his earlier posts indicated his reasons serve a darker purpose than defending America: "Once all the Jews are gone the world will start fixing itself."

Sobibor's SS included enough biographical details in his various posts to Forum 14 over the years, including that he's a single father from the small town in southern Alabama, that a military investigator with access to enlistment records for recent months should have little trouble discerning whether the Army is actually teaching a skinhead with genocide on his mind how to be a tactical bomb maker.

But there's little reason to expect that will happen.

Two years ago, the Intelligence Report revealed that alarming numbers of neo-Nazi skinheads and other white supremacist extremists were taking advantage of lowered armed services recruiting standards and lax enforcement of anti-extremist military regulations by infiltrating the U.S. armed forces in order to receive combat training and gain access to weapons and explosives.

Forty members of Congress urged then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to launch a full-scale investigation and implement a zero-tolerance policy toward white supremacists in the military. "Military extremists present an elevated threat to both their fellow service members and the public," U.S. Senator Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, wrote in a separate open letter to Rumsfeld. "We witnessed with Timothy McVeigh that today's racist extremist may become tomorrow's domestic terrorist."

But neither Rumsfeld nor his successor, Robert Gates, enacted any sort of systemic investigation or crackdown. Military and Defense Department officials seem to have made no sustained effort to prevent active white supremacists from joining the armed forces, or to weed out those already in uniform.

Furthermore, new evidence is emerging that not only supports the Intelligence Report's findings, but also indicates the problem may have worsened since the summer of 2006, as enlistment rates continued to plummet, and the military accepted an ever-lower quality of soldier in a time of unpopular war.

First of all, a new FBI report (PDF) confirms that white supremacist leaders are making a concerted effort to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to the unclassified FBI Intelligence Assessment, "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11," which was released to law enforcement agencies nationwide: "Sensitive and reliable source reporting indicates supremacist leaders are encouraging followers who lack documented histories of neo-Nazi activity and overt racist insignia such as tattoos to infiltrate the military as 'ghost skins,' in order to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement."

The FBI report details more than a dozen investigative findings and criminal cases involving Iraq and Afghanistan veterans as well as active-duty personnel engaging in extremist activity in recent years. For example, in September 2006, the leader of the Celtic Knights, a central Texas splinter faction of the Hammerskins, a national racist skinhead organization, planned to obtain firearms and explosives from an active duty Army soldier in Fort Hood, Texas. That soldier, who served in Iraq in 2006 and 2007, was a member of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group.

"Looking ahead, current and former military personnel belonging to white supremacist extremist organizations who experience frustration at the inability of these organizations to achieve their goals may choose to found new, more operationally minded and operationally capable groups," the report concludes. "The military training veterans bring to the movement and their potential to pass this training on to others can increase the ability of lone offenders to carry out violence from the movement's fringes."


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What's Really Scary Is Not That Extremists Want To Serve
Posted by: ranchero42 on Aug 29, 2008 3:48 PM   
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But that policy has shifted to such a degree that these whack jobs find no real threat to their agenda. That the Supreme Court, the last bastion of justice in the land, offers no barrier to genocide is just icing on this white-on-white cake. That the Pentagon has been whittled down to a fascist majority provides no warm fuzzies. McCain has "served" long enough.

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Scary stuff.
Posted by: IndyCA on Aug 29, 2008 10:59 PM   
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Just what we need, racists and extremists being taught bomb making skills. Hope that this issue gets looked into and resolved.

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» RE: Scary stuff. Posted by: Vik
UNCLE SAM WANTS WHO?
Posted by: eager-to-learn on Aug 30, 2008 1:21 AM   
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Does it really matter if these people are members of extremist groups? If soldiers are needed and these people are willing to fight for our country should they be turned away? It seems to me that anyone that wants to find out how to build a bomb can do so without having to go to the other side of the world and risk not making it home to share any knowledge that may be gained. Anyone that wants to do anything illegal or obtain anything illegal doesn't seem to have a problem doing so. It looks like the hardest things to do or obtain in this country these days are legal wants and/or needs. Should these men be rejected just because this war is unpopular, unnecessary, and ill equipped ? What if the circumstances were different? If a foe were to invade the United States and these extremist were volunteering, would you still want them turned away because you are afraid of what they may learn and how they could use that knowledge in the future? Anyone could join the Armed Forces with the best of intentions and come out using their training for the wrong reasons. Just as that could happen, some one may join for the wrong reason then come out of it all using their training for good purposes alone. Don't Judge least yea be Judged. Just a different way of looking at what could be a bad situation. Anything is possible.

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
» RE: UNCLE SAM WANTS WHOM? Posted by: ranchero42
» RE: UNCLE SAM WANTS WHOM? Posted by: ranchero42
» RE: UNCLE SAM WANTS WHO? Posted by: emmas
» RE: UNCLE SAM WANTS WHO? Posted by: brunowe
Nazis: Just the National Association for the Advancement of White People
Posted by: Bobsays on Sep 1, 2008 12:52 AM   
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In the world, white people are a minority. And all demographic figures show, a rapidly shrinking minority. Even in the US, whites are fast on track to be just a small minority group in 15 years time. In such a world, white and European culture will become something that needs to be preserved and protected. In the political realities of our world, where power relations are defined by how well a particular group lobbies for its rights, then such groups will become more like the NAACP etc.

At present, they have an extreme look, but in time they will wear suits and lobby just like other groups. Things like European-values-defined culture groups and communities will be rallying cries for people in the future.

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Nazi skinheads in Iraq should not surprise Americans who know about PNAC
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 1, 2008 2:20 AM   
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No political action group in the United States has come closer to being outright fascists than the rightwing extremist organization, Project for a New American Century (PNAC).

The following information was extracted from Internet sources:

PNAC was formed in 1997 with the intent of overthrowing Saddam Hussein and dominating the world with U.S. military power. Not surprisingly, Insane McCain is a PNAC member, more correctly called a "signatory."

Before joining the subversive PNAC conspiracy, McCain was president of the New Citizenship Project (NCP). Founded in 1994 by PNAC organizer Bill Kristol, NCP was PNAC's parent and chief fundraising arm.

In 1998, McCain co-sponsored the Iraq Liberation Act. Drafted by PNAC officials, it declared that regime change in Iraq should become U.S. foreign policy. To that end, the act appropriated $97 million in U.S. military aid for the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a group of anti-Hussein Iraqi militants determined to instigate a national uprising in Iraq.

In 2002, McCain was co-chair with Sen. Joe Lieberman of the White House-based Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI). Established by PNAC in 2002, CLI continued to finance INC with millions of taxpayer dollars until shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, when CLI was disbanded.

Fnally, in 2004, McCain officially became a PNAC member by signing a letter from Bill Kristol's organization hypocritically condemning Russian President Putin’s foreign policy for its return to the “rhetoric of militarism and empire.”

In light of McCain's unbending rightwing ideology, it should surprise no one that old guard PNAC members are foreign policy advisors on his 2008 presidential campaign team, such as the following prominent neocons -- all potential members of a future McCain war council:

Richard L. Armitage: PNAC signatory, former Bush 43 Deputy Secretary of State. By his own admission, Armitage was responsible for leaking CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity to the press.

John R. Bolton: PNAC signatory, former U.S. ambassador to U.N. Advocates attacking Iran.

Max Boot: PNAC signatory, columnist, McCain speech writer. Advocated attacking other Middle East countries in addition to Iraq and Iran, including Syria. Said McCain's "bellicose aura" could "scare the snot out of our enemies," who "would be more afraid to mess with him" than with other then-potential presidential candidates.

Steve Forbes: PNAC founder, flat-tax fanatic

Robert Kagan: PNAC founder.

Bill Kristol: PNAC founder and editor of the rightwing rag, The Weekly Standard.

Daniel McKivergan: PNAC deputy director

Randy Scheunemann: PNAC signatory, co-director and executive director of Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

Gary Schmitt: PNAC signatory, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Defended warrantless eavesdropping on Americans by claiming that U.S. Constitution "created a unitary chief executive who could, in times of war or emergency, act with the decisiveness, dispatch and ecrecy needed to protect the country and its citizens."

James Woolsey: PNAC signatory, CIA Director, 1993-1995.

Robert B. Zollick: PNAC signatory, President, World Bank.

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» Still spamming, Hugh? Posted by: brunowe
» Hugh is not a spammer. Posted by: countingdaisies
McCain/Palin will win: vistory will be a precursor to the 'New White Nationalism' in America
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Sep 1, 2008 5:34 AM   
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As America continues to spiral ever downward, its citizens will begin to inevitably spliter by racial/ethnic groups and the White majority will begin to publicly blame the 'multiculturalists,' 'one-worlders,' and eventually 'minorities' for their increasing economic, political, and social woes. As history has shown, all disintegrating empires balkanize via racial/ethnic lines as they decline, and America will be no different.

All empires and nations begin to fall apart after a certain amount of time at the top, and America is no different. As empires decay and decline, it is only natural that people start to separate by ethnic/racial affiliation because it is so fundamental and basic to human societies and cultures. Contrary to what many modern race-deniers may believe, race/ethnicity transcends class/economics, religion, politics, language, and basically everything else -- when people begin to instinctually feel threatened as many of America's White majority now does, they will begin to form 'interest groups' that oppose the people (i.e., racial/ethnic minorities, especially Hispanics, Asians, and Jews) who do not agree with the majority and who they feel threaten their interests in America. The modern Republican Party, dominated as it is by White Americans, is but a precursor to the coming White racial movement in America.

Hence the probable victory of McCain/Palin this November as the White consciousness movement picks up steam in America...if the re-election of Bush in 2004 didn't open your eyes to a rising White nationalism in America, you are either blind or a starry-eyed lib'rul dumb-dumb who thinks Barack "I make pretty speeches" Obama is going to inspire all of us Americans regardless of race-color-creed to dance happily under beautiful rainbows while holding hands, eating ice-cream, and singing along to The Beatles.

Wake up. Rough times are ahead in America if you are an ethnic minority (Hispanic, Black/African, Asian, Jewish, Arab, etc.), and no amount of hippy idealism is going to make it better.

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» I agree Posted by: Bobsays
» Lifeboat Posted by: mjglow
» We don't need McPain/Palin to regroup. Posted by: countingdaisies
» Bingo! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Ignorance is Bliss Posted by: cwilsondrum
» Ignorance is your middle name. Posted by: GuitarBill
Gotta Love This Country
Posted by: desidid on Sep 1, 2008 7:05 AM   
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skinheads enlisting to learn the skills used by homegrown terrorist. We learned nothing from Timothy McVeigh because we have to make-up boogey men (Saddam Hussein). Do you really need a college education to work in government, or can you just do a paint by numbers picture without coloring outside the lines to qualify to write policy? No wonder the Republicans think McCain/Palin is a strong ticket, this country is run by and populated with, Idiots-R-US.

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» Yup! Posted by: GuitarBill
thse scum bags are not aryan -they are low bred anglosaxon race.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Sep 1, 2008 7:24 AM   
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what boils my blood is the use of aryan symbol and name by thse scum bags.

Aryas(correctly called rather than aryans) are,were,and will remain in India. They might have migrated to other places sometime but the source of Aryan race,culture and civilization was, is and will remain India. There is an overwhelming evidence in support of this. In fact in order to say oherwise(which was a part of propaganda) , very tenuous and flimsy,unproven arguments were put forward by those people who 'discovered'Aryans in India 3000 years after Indians haven been calling themseleves Aryans all along.(Hindu is a name given by foreigners.In none of great liturature is word Hindu mentioned not even religois text of recent origin).
The Salient features of early Aryans are:
(a)Sanskrit speaking
(b) Respect for Cows and Fire-both worshipped and highly regarded.
(C) Never seen Sea (vast rivers would be regarded as immence.)
(d) almost village living and only small towns as Capital.
(e)High moral living of philosophical class(Brahmins) who after much Study would enjoy highest sociol status(though voluntarily livig poor).
(f)NO shopkeepers.-Aryans thought any profit motive highly undesirable and fitting for low sort of beings.
(g) Horse and Archery as main weopens.(Even later on old Persians and parthians and Sassanids-in Persia, were known to Greeks as great Archers.)
(h) IN old Babylonians chronicles Aryans("who knew no cities") came from East(and Not west). IN RIgveda (earlist poem in the world) They are shown as fighting amongst themselves in Western India for the dispute which had arisen more than 10 generations ago in the Aryan Kingdom of Eastern India(Hahaya in Maharashtra, Kashi and Videha in eastern India).In other word the original most aryans moved from their homeland in middle and eastern Gagentic plains and moved west.One the the tribes(Druhu) actually went and conquered west(Iraq?) and settled there.THat is what you get from early liturature(Ofcourse religios but incidently mentiong geniology of Brahmans and kings which mostly agree with each other. NOw ehen the Aryans moved west from their homeland(Called Aryavart_Land of the Aryans) they founded Kassite,mittani and earlier Hittite empires. THeir greatest enemies were Asur. Hindu and early Hindu literature is full of dislike of Asur and most of famous Hindu leaders are supposed to have fought against them.IN no other's early liturature (or even late ones) is there so much mention of enemity against Asur as in early and late Hindu literature.INcidentlly the Mittani's name eg.mitra,dutta etc. is still common in eastern INdia.THe real name of Hittes was Hatti(a caste in Northern India) and of persians was Persu(a famous clan in India.Even the Persians movedto where they were from East. That is why Herodotous did not know (or any non-aryans0 about Persipolis which was in eastern part of Persia and considerd their sacred place. But these are is only for Peripheral glimpse of what Indian Aryans did in the west. THe aryans alwas considered their homeland most sacred(THat is Northern India). There is no hint of they ever rememring land west to India except in contempt(THat also only in later part of literature).Ofcorse in a religios text (because Kings never had any absolute power in India)not all matters relating to kings or others are mentioned.For example Salt is never once mentioned when they where living near Salt mines in Punjab.
What the Aryans looked Like? IT is in this that much evil has been spread by the british. In fact much before Hitler, the great Sanskrit Scholer ( ) wrote in 1912 that many22Englishman are claiming themselves to be arayans which is preposterous.The Englishman was never an aryan and will never be"". A

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This is news?
Posted by: sausage on Sep 1, 2008 8:06 AM   
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Not to denigrate the report, or anything, but the United States Armed Forces being a hotbed of white supremacist groups has long been a given.

Ever since Harry Truman integrated the military in 1948 it's been a recruiting ground for white hate groups among lower-income, limited-education Southern and Midwestern white soldiers.

And as long as enough white dummies believe this kind of crap--Contrary to what many modern race-deniers may believe, race/ethnicity transcends class/economics, religion, politics, language, and basically everything else...--the Richard Mellon Scaifes of the nation will continue surreptitiously funding white supremacists groups both within and without the military.

Face it, white supremacists are suckers. Starting with the premise that skin tone somehow defines the man obscures the fact that the ultimate supremacists, the Wall Street brokers/investors, trust fund babies, hedge fund manages, etc, benefit by playing lower income groups against one another, keeping wages as low as possible is one side benefit of racial strife. Meanwhile the one per centers play the other side of the street in ostentatious displays of giving to "minority" charities, consciously or not, designed to send the low income, under-educated whites into paroxysm of jealous rage.

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» RE: This is news? Posted by: RedWalt67
Now This is Bad news
Posted by: Godfather89 on Sep 1, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Aryan Brotherhoods being trained how to make bombs legally! This is just messed up!

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Nazi=Stassi=the Red Army=QUDS=Mossad=US
Posted by: Turiye on Sep 1, 2008 9:23 AM   
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But neither Rumsfeld nor his successor, Robert Gates, enacted any sort of systemic investigation or crackdown. Military and Defense Department officials seem to have made no sustained effort to prevent active white supremacists from joining the armed forces, or to weed out those already in uniform.

I cannot imagine that sweet Doony, or Bobby not doing as told, you're a Hoot!
I was never a regimented, time schedule, nappy's at hand kind of Mom but these kids, my nephew, video games always. All with the Glamorization of Murder, Rape, Dehumanized attractions run amok. This and allowing, Complicit Media, in the Illegal Invasion of Iraq how many graphic sights of war presented by those great Photo Journalists have you that are of the 70's and 80's[born in those decades not of age]or the Special Military Honours Squadron, in times of war, are the Troops that with white gloved hands, await what remains of the Familys son or daughter, with what appears to be a soft and light handed lift of the Flag Drapped Coffin[metal]intruth is an incredibly deft work of choreographed strength combined with agility, ever so careful as they walk with coffin on shoulder in lock step. A part of the end that NO ONE IS PERMITTED to view, allowing grief stricken Familys to again be deprived of wondering where her child is and refused Honorable Special Squads showing her son a deepfelt love by embracing his remains and safely delivering her baby home, again.
Sanitized, Sterilized, Dehumanized, Undignified, because the MURDERER wants all to be flowers and butterflys What WAR? Iraq is WONDERFUL NOW thanks to such a great Pres.. cannot finish that, him, then he whispers down the lane then the dirt like Hannity, oreally all of the Rove Charm School, same class I hear and those simple, foolish, FOX watchers are aghast. An attack might be a gonna be hir agin, gotta fetch me my huntin rifle shoot me some A-raybs.
Well planned and executed, we know that. We, as Veterans for Peace or our pals Iraq Veterans Against War must provide a paper trail for a long way, yet the likes of a David Duke, Prince or a buff brain washed Marine can waltz right on in the Public Schools and talk those kids up fired up. Should they rot I hate them so. we plan at the grassroots level to put the fire out NOW. NO MORE. NOT AFGHANISTAN or Iraq, NOT Russia or Persia. NO.

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Educate these throwbacks
Posted by: logic on Sep 1, 2008 10:21 AM   
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in this day and age with so much education available and america produces the type of mentality that sees color before merit. "someone got a kick out of shooting brown people"- how utterly revolting. what are the mixed bloods to do in such a fight. i know plenty of people who look "white" and are of diversely mixed background. if you look back genetically there is no pure race of europeans. thanx singh for staightening the Aryan tag out. it has always made me scratch my head wondering what they were thinking to take a name from brown people and profess white supremacy. can't even come up with your own tag- yeah real supreme! the euro footprint on the planet is not a good one and seems to be an extension of the roman army's march. anyone who goes to war must have some part homicidal, that is war! this unenlightened mentality seems predominant in the southern states so that might be where to start investing in education before they grow up and learn how to shave their heads. america founded itself on racial arrogance so why is anyone surprised that they're training more soldiers with racial agendas. Eyes of Fire "you can shoot us now because we are all the same color but we shall return as Warriors of the Rainbow".

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Aryan
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 1, 2008 11:02 AM   
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I appreciate the article, but this really should not be news to anyone. The Nazi mentality is in perfect alignment with US values, and so it only makes sense for people like this to be in the military.

By US values I don't mean specifically hate for jews (obviously). Jews merely serve as the focus for Scots/Irish/Germanic rage. It doesn't really matter who the victim is, as long as there is one.

dboy

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» RE: Aryan Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: Aryan Posted by: Dboy
those obsesses with 9/11 ever remmebr today?besaln tragedy oof 9/1/2004?
Posted by: avatar_singh on Sep 1, 2008 11:55 AM   
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today is the sad 4th anniversary of belsan when more than 300 childresn and their teachers were killed by the terroris who have ben harbouring in england under protection of the british govt.
with the logic of america action in afganistan russia shoudl and msut attack adn reduce to rubble the whole land mass of england with nuclear bombs.

And the mastermind of that terrorism is in London under protection of british govt.They-the english race- instigated the terrorist to attrack school on the day shcools are opend traditoannly in Russia.
with the logic advanced by the west agasint iran(that it aarms resitance fighter in iraq) Russia is entitled to bomb to annihilation the whole land m,ass of england with only 12 topl missiles nuclear armed ofcourse-for the crime of isntigating georgia and also insigating chechen terrorists.
this is what I wrote about thse english insipred terrorism in chechniya.

"25th october 2002


On the day chechnyan terrorists tokk hostage of 500 civilains in
A Moscow theatre, The headline of BBC was not about that but about sharp shooter terrorist being suppsedly caught in washington> In fact theis chechnyian news was fifth in item(including head line) . These days atlast the british media even say about chechnyian terrorist as terrorist otherwise 2 years ago they were always calling them freedom fighters(which they are -but that is another story). In fact the british media and england as a country had been actively supporting and giving material help to checnyaina terrorists9aided by cia and british spy and british media aswell).
If you lok at the report of british media then you realize the british involvemnt in terrorism by the chechnyian terrorists. When three multistory falts were wiped pout by terrorist in central Moscow a few years ago there was a gleee in british reprting and a criticism of later security arrangemnt by Russian forces in Moscow. ofcourse the british media would have been horrified and bar=king like a dog(which they are) if the Russians had decided to destory checknian civilians as the americans did in afganistan. Then you realize the humbug of british propaganda against terrorism-it is selective and meant to facilitate british infiltration in other countries, In fact the afganistan govet(after fall of Taliban) was oppsed to british tyroops (after all americans fought -what have british got?)presence in afgansitan-but armtwisting by british through american help ensures that rbtitish troops are there in afgansitan0they are forgeing infioltrators and thus should be eliminated(they have less legal reason to be in afgansitan than the soviets who had been primarily invited by the govt, of the day). the british involvemtn in international terrorism is not confined to agasnt Russian interset only.
When the kashmiris killed several Indian soldiers(regular phenomenon) the british paper(independent) blamed India for being a target of terrrism and not talking enough with what it called freedom fighters.(terminology changes according to british interts). Infact during the 80s when India was really relatively stable and srtongatlest the govet, was) then the british decided to destabilize India by sponsoring Sikh terrorismand taliban terorism aswell(agasnt INDIA AND AFGANSITAN). It is only when India has virtually been subjugated to look after british and american interst in economics and (with rteal weakening of india as military power) that the british decided to take supprt for terrrism somewhere else.
The whole world is being put under sieze by theis thrird rate power-england-a nation of plumbers(graduation from a nation of pirates turned shopkeepers) The modus operandi of english is by propaganda and spying through british media-paper, bbc and television-

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Blackwater or Enlisted Neo Nazi's- Fundamentally Unlawful
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 1, 2008 3:15 PM   
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Now that this admin has sucked the life out of Voluntary military service- Who wants to join if they can highjack you thru Stop loss, and rapid redeployments, and no bennies or care after you get out alive.
So when our military has been beat into the ground, who will be the New Army...White Supremist Terrorists or 'For Profit Only' Blackwater.What would cost more fighting Neo Nazi's Our selves (blood, treaure,time) or hiring 'Rent a Mercenary '.Some one had better start a Cost analysis and risk management review on that possibility. Would either feel any pang of allegience to US, or has their new alliegnance taken prescendence.
What kind of Impression of Us, do either of these present to the rest of the world.
The Founders agreed to three forms of defense- the federally controlled Military.The citizens regional Militias.And Of course Personal Defense and the right to bear Arms.I don't recall them including Profiteer armies or ideological Armies under Lawful Armed Defense.
If Neo Nazi's can not accpet the authority of the Governing laws and by laws- Pledging their Allegience & obedience to US (OATH), then they are unfit for Duty; a liability and a potential threat to the citizens of this country.

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Overhyped, that's why they're not reacting
Posted by: Conservationist on Sep 2, 2008 7:00 AM   
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The SPLC cruises Nazi websites, finds the most extreme stuff going on, and takes it as literal proof of conspiracy.

Most Nazis are alienated people with little follow-through, so I wouldn't worry.

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David Macko
Posted by: David Macko on Sep 2, 2008 9:30 AM   
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So, besides preparing for World War III and a police state, this report is further evidence that the fedgov apparently is planning for a civil war here someday. We should not be too surprised that the fedgov under Bush is showing affinity for national socialists in the armed forces. After all, his grandfather, Prescott Bush., collaborated with the national socialists in Germany during Roosevelt's War.
Although the writer's perspective hints that he may not be overly concerned about such matters, it is also likely that if "our" government is actively recruiting or even allowing White supremacists to join the armed forces it is also quite likely that Black supremacists and Hispanic supremacists are following the same course of action. To say otherwise would be to imply that they were not very bright.
Perhaps it is time to reinstitute the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
You could make a very good argument that any soldier (or anyone else, for that matter) who takes an oath to defend the Constitution is in violation of it if his intent is to overthrow the government and establish a socialist, especially national socialist, regime.

Bob Barr for president. Vote Libertarian.
For Life and Liberty,
David Macko
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» RE: David Macko Posted by: Dboy
Not just skinheads
Posted by: Ayla87 on Sep 2, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Plenty of gang bangers, drug dealers and convicted felons make it into the ranks of the armed forces too. Whether or not they're trained to make bombs I can't say, but they're still trained to kill with brutal efficiency. They're still just as dangerous. Most of them enlist in either the army or the marines because those branches are the easiest to get into.

You'd be hard pressed to find any of these, guys (skin head or gangbanger) in the Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard. Those branches require more education and intelligence, which doesn't usually coincide with racist extremism and criminal behavior. Just to get into these branches you need to score a 40 on the ASVAB, and decent jobs require much higher scores. These three branches also only accept a small percentage of GED recipients a year, and they're usually required to score higher and have some college behind them.

Oh, and lets not forget the four month long backround check that the Coast Guard puts people though. Thats a bitch, I know from personal experience.

The problem is alot broader than just skin heads. These people are a danger to everyone else in the service as well as the civilian population. And until the Army and Marines raise thier standards for recruitment, the problem isn't going to go away.

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» RE: Not just skinheads Posted by: JBravoEcho11
» RE: Not just skinheads Posted by: Ayla87
It's aazing...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Sep 2, 2008 6:55 PM   
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...how McCain, Bush and Cheney differ so very little from these skinheads. Just roll that thought around in your head for awhile andlet it roam free and see where it leads you. How similarcthey all are, they all want to attack Americans.

The right wing and the religious right want to attack us. We of the center-left have been subjected to all of these years of hate, since St. Reagan became president. Now the skinheads, merely another hate group, is joining the fray.

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Are these the people
Posted by: TruthBeTold on Sep 5, 2008 8:47 PM   
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George Bush/Dick Cheney are planning to use to set off bombs in this country in October so that he can declare martial law?

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