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Universal Health Coverage Is No Silver Bullet

By Niko Karvounis, Health Beat. Posted August 29, 2008.


The key to smoothly running, affordable health care is changing medical treatments and procedures.

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The Massachusetts experiment in health care reform is all about expanding access. But it doesn't try to control costs. This, in a nutshell, is why it's running into trouble.

The plan didn't reform health care delivery, just coverage. Granted, in terms of bringing more people in under the tent, it's been a success: Since the plan went into effect in 2006, 439,000 people have signed up for insurance -- a number that represents more than two-thirds of the estimated 600,000 people uninsured in the state two years ago. This surge in coverage has reduced use of emergency rooms for routine care by 37 percent, which has saved the state about $68 million. (Going to the ER for routine care drives up health care costs by creating longer wait times and tying up resources that can be used to help patients who are critically ill).

But even with these savings, Massachusetts is having trouble funding its plan. Earlier this month the Boston Globe reported that the governor's office is planning to shift more responsibility for funding to employers. Currently, the Mass. Health care law requires most employers with more than 10 full-time employees to offer health coverage or to pay an annual 'fair share' penalty of $295 per worker: this is called 'pay or play', an employer either provides coverage or pays a fee toward the system for not doing so.

To "play" rather than "pay," employers must show either that they are paying at least 33 percent of their full-time workers' premiums within the first 90 days of employment, or that they are making sure that at least 25 percent of their full-time workers are covered on the company's plan. (In other words, they must be paying a large enough share of the premiums so that 25 percent of their employees can afford the plan they offer.)

Now, instead of giving employers this Either/Or option, the new proposal requires that employers do both -- or fork over the penalty fee. In a sense, this is an admirable move by the government, since its intention is to push toward truly universal coverage. But there's also a game of scrounging-for-dollars going on here: The state wants employers to pay more -- to, in the words of Mass. Governor Deval Patrick, "step up" and embrace "shared responsibility" -- either by covering a greater share of health care costs or paying more in penalty fees.

As you might expect, businesses are putting up a fight. They say that Patrick's proposal "ignores the obvious," which is the fact that "employers definitely are doing their part." While it's tempting to vilify "Big Employer" as stingy and selfish, the truth is that there's only so much you can ask businesses to do without harming citizens.

As I pointed out in a March blog post, research shows that there's a big trade-off between health care costs and workers wages: when employers have to pay a lot for health care, they take the cost out of employees' paychecks. Or, as a 2004 study from the International Journal of Health Care Finance and Economics put it, "the amount of earnings a worker must give up for gaining health insurance is roughly equal to the amount an employer must pay for such coverage."

In other words, you can't bleed employers dry without also screwing workers. True, big corporations might have deep enough pockets to pay more for health care without adjusting workers' wages. But they're still bottom-line driven enterprises, which means that they're going to try and break even wherever possible. Unless you want to see laws that strictly regulate the correlation between business health care costs and workers' wages, the working Joe's income is going to take a hit as employers shoulder more health care costs.


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Niko Karvounis is a Program Officer with The Century Foundation in New York City, where he works on issues of socioeconomic inequality and health care. He is a regular contributor to Health Beat, the Foundation’s health care blog.

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Excellent Points ... Why We Need Medicare for All Now
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 30, 2008 12:45 AM   
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Which brings up the whole question of medical rationing.

Which is why we need Medicare for all now. Once it is implemented the pressures for the increased efficiency of medical treatment. Instead of state by state, company by company response we get a National Consensus on how much we spend and where we spend it ...

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Am I the Only One to See the Elephant in the Room?
Posted by: Liberty G on Sep 1, 2008 4:36 PM   
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Yes, the high cost of American medical treatment is driven by high-tech and patented pharmaceuticals.

But a large part of the answer to both quality care and lower costs can be found in most other developed (and some less developed) countries:
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.

As carefully researched in Germany and elsewhere and as carried out in England, with five homeopathic hospitals, and other places not in the grip of Big Pharm as we are - it works!

Statistics make it clear that the health results are also far better than in our expensive and dangerous system.

Am I the only one aware of this, and not brainwashed to rush out and buy the drugs pushed by the commercials? And does nobody else notice how all kinds of CAM (Complementary & Alternative Medicine) are squelched here and not covered by insurance except, recently, in the state of Washington?

By the way, Medicare is NOT the great answer. It is just as limiting on kind of treatment as other health insurance plans, is actually unaffordable for many and unusable a good part of the time - because of the $100 per month premium (for Part B), the yearly deductible, and co-pays. Don't tell me about assistance for those who can't pay - most seniors rely on nest eggs to provide dividends that pay their living costs. No help is offered except to those who have spent all and become destitute - thus with no money to live on. Catch-22, anyone?

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And what about giving people the FREEDOM to put Cannabis to work?
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 2, 2008 1:28 AM   
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Hey, let's try that instead of all those petro-manufactured shit out there for a change. For over 70 years, America has been shackled to a RIGGED market designed to benefit Big Oil/Agri/Coal/Pharma. So why not TEAR DOWN THE WALL ON THE PHONY "War on Drugs" and let the harmless plant COMPETE in the "free" market for a change?

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» Cannibis competes Posted by: AdamSelene40
Medicare isn't a bad model
Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 2, 2008 1:45 AM   
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I have been under three different health care systems: military, private enterprise and Medicare.

Although far from perfect, Medicare was and is the best system. There is no reason why it couldn't be modeled for all Americans.

Obama Fan
Why Hillary fans should vote against Sen. McCain

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» RE: Medicare isn't a bad model Posted by: Old Skeptic
The Beta version
Posted by: Axiom69 on Sep 2, 2008 4:49 AM   
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"Universal Healthcare" worries me. It sounds great but what will it look like in practice? What has the government ever run that wasn't bogged down in red tape and bureaucracy? To get an idea look at the other government run healthcare. The VA. The VA only takes care of a small percentage of Americans. Now expand it to cover 300 million people and you will get an idea of what universal healthcare will look like in this country. Consider the VA to be the Beta version of whats to come.

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» RE: The Beta version Posted by: Old Skeptic
» RE: The Beta version Posted by: Axiom69
A Flawed Medical System that Treats Symtoms and skips the Desease!
Posted by: williameon on Sep 2, 2008 6:27 AM   
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Doctors who dispense expensive pharmaceuticals instead of treating the the underlying factors which cause disease.
A few examples.

Heart Disease

Prescribing Lipitor instead of eliminating Hydrogenated Oil, Triglycerides, Junk Food and modifying poor eating and exercise habits.

Obesity

Prescribing Insulin shots instead of eliminating Corn Syrup, Junk food and Hydrogenated Oil from their diets.
There is a direct correlation between the introduction of Corn syrup into the food supply in the 80’s and the: Obesity and Diabetes Epidemic.
How to treat it:
Increase Fresh Fruit, Vegetable and Fiber intake. Start a daily regiment of exercise.

Asthma

Prescribing inhalers instead of the breathing of clean fresh Air.
Air Pollution causes Asthma.
You would think the AMA would stand up for the millions of Children in this country that they have sworn an Oath to protect?
The 400+ Pollution Laws rolled back by BUSH that are
Sentencing millions of our children to spending a life time gasping for Air.
Is this Right? Is this compassionate?
Our Children, Families and Society are all paying the price for this Crime against Humanity.

Suggestions:

Read every label.
The longer the list of ingredients is the worst it is for you.
It is an alchemist’s nightmare, a Witch’s Brew of POISON!
Shop around the perimeter of the market where all the fresh fruits, vegetables and whole foods are. Stay away from the over processed Junk in the middle.
Eliminate Hydrogenated Oil, Corn Syrup, Franken Foods (Genetically Modified Corn and Soybeans) Beef, Junk Food, Soda, Pastry and over refined white flour from the Diet.
They are all POISON!
What to do?
Eat Whole Foods, Cold pressed oils, Fruits, Nuts, Vegetables and Stone Ground flour. These will truly satisfy your bodies hunger and search for sustenance.
Inside of every fat person is locked a skinny person that is starving to death.
All the Junk food in the world can never satisfy your body’s quest for nourishment.
Support your local farm stand and grow your own vegetable garden.

Children will naturally eat whatever food that contains the nutrients their body needs, until sugar is introduced into the diet. Then they will eat the sugar.
Try this experiment,
Go to a market with a friend, go to the produce section, put on a blind fold and see what your body is attracted to, buy and eat it. How does it make you feel?
Repeat without the Blindfold.

Local is Better.
Turn off the Boob Tube and limit your time on the net.
Exercise, once a day, take a long walk, do some stretching, Yoga, play ball.
Commune and
Reestablish your link with Mother Nature.
Peace, Harmony, Health, Happiness and Prosperity to All!

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» Excellent points all! Posted by: Bobsays
My New "Health Care Plan"=JOBS!
Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 2, 2008 7:15 AM   
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=A US JOBS PROGRAM which would provide meaningful,safe and healthy lifelong jobs for all able Americans

Having a job and enjoying your job are probably the most underestimated/understudied predictors of human health outcomes.

(Before YOU say it I know I am dreaming)

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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» RE: My New "Health Care Plan"=JOBS! Posted by: drricklippin
One nation with justice for all:: CANADA
Posted by: Kuressaare on Sep 2, 2008 8:16 AM   
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I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THIS, IT TAKES MY TIME, THERE IS LITTLE OF IT. MY 'CURED CANCER' A KIND THAT IS EASILY KILLED AND SO ON, WELL, IT NEVER WAS, NOW IT'S A SILVER DOLLAR DOWN MY THIGH FROM MY INNARDS. BEFORE IT WASN'T ALWAYS VISIBLE AND NOW IT IS, IF I HAVE MY PANTS OFF, WHICH IS OFTEN ENOUGH, BUT I NO LONGER CARE. I HAVE LIVED IN CONSTANT SCREAMING PAIN FOR TWO YEARS SINCE THE RADIATION STOPPED, THERE IS NO TROUBLE EXCEPT THAT AFTER TEN CT SCANS AND AS MANY TESTS FOR JUST CREATININE AND FORTY TIMES AS MANY FOR THE PANEL OF BLOOD TESTS SHOWING UP TUMOURS AND OTHER CANCER MARKERS: CHEER UP! TOTALLY CLEAR, NOT A SIGN OF IT, NO METASTASIS, NO INVOLVEMENT OF LYMPH NODES. AND ON LIKE THIS UNSPEAKABLE ONGCOLOGIST'S FIRST "TALK" TO ME (HE TALKS, YOU DARE NOT ANSWER OR TRY TO MAKE EVEN A SALIENT POINT) (YOUNG GUY, JUST A BULLY, AT SIXTY FIVE PLUS AND LOOKING 50, I COULD SQUELCH HIM: TROUBLE IS THAT SHOUTING MAKES ME CHOKE.

WELL, MY OWN DOCTOR, WHO IS VERY EMINENT IN HIS FIELD AS NO ONE ELSE KNOWS WHAT ALL HE DOES, WHICH IS NEARLY EVERYTHING, HAVING TREATED THOUSANDS FOR HIV AND SEEN MOST OF THEM NOW GONE, HE HAS A FIRST HAND PICTURE IN HIS MIND OF VIRTUALLY EVERY KIND OF TB, CANCER, THE USUAL AIDS "MARKERS" LIKE THE MOST COMMON PNEUMONIA NOW CLOSELY TAILED BY A BACTERIAL ONE WHICH SEEMS VIUALLY INDESTRUCTIBLE, KAPOSI'S, LATERAL NERUOPATHY, LIVER CANCER, YOU NAME IT, HE KNOWS IT BEFORE THE PATIENT SAYS ANYTHING. I DON'T HAVE IT, I VOLNTEERED TO BE A LITTLE DON QUIXOTE AGAINST AIDS, AND IF IT WERENT' SO TRAGIC YOU COULD ENJOY THE IMAGE, IT IS SO MUCH THE BATTLE OF THE BROKEN DOWN KNIGHT AND THE WINDMILLS, NOT A CONTEST.

NOW I SHALL SAY THIS ONLY ONCE, LISTEN CAREFULLY. YOUR ARGUMENTS TO AND FRO ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT INSURANCE AND RUNNING OF A MEDICAL PLAN, IT'S A GOVERNMENT DREAM COME TRUE. I LOOKED AT MY SOME 15 OR SO PRESCRIPTIONS YESTERDAY, A LONG JOB TO INVENTORY SO I CAN GET NEW RX FROM MY DOCTOR (PLAN ALLOWS ONLY 100 DAYS MED. OF ONE THING AT A TIME), AMAZING HOW MANY I GET AND HOW LITTLE THEY COST. I WISH MY LIST OF UNGUENTS, ANTI-BACTERIAL, ANTI-FUNGAL ETC. MEDS. COULD LET ME OFF MORE EASILY, , THEY HAVE TO BE PAID FOR BY ME AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EVEN A BANDAGE FOR THE AWKWARD PLACE, WHICH NEEDS CHANGING AND CLEANING AT LEAST TWENTY TIMES A DAY, OFTEN -10 TIMES IN AN HOUR.

BIG POINT, IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU KNOW IT WELL, FROM THE CRUSH OF YOU PEOPLE RUNNING UP HERE TO FILL YOUR PRESCRIPTONS, IS THAT THE KEY TO IT ALL IS TO CONTROL JUST WHAT IS A FAIR MARK UP IS ON THE PRICES. AND WHAT YOU DID, I THINK OFTHE ONES WHO RAN US OUT OF MOST INSULINS, I ENCOUNTERED MY FIRST OF SEVERAL "OUTAGES" AND THAT WAS FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY BY THIS
PAIN WHICH BECAME THE CANCER AGAIN. THIS WAS, BEFORE FREE TRADE WITH YOU, CONTOLLED AND UNDERSTOOD. DOCTORS, PHARMACIES, DRUG SUPPLIERS, MADE MONEY HAND OVER FIST, BUT WE THINK 20% OF WHAT I HEAR FROM CALIFONIA RELATIVES, IS 80% MORE THAN ALADIN COULD EVER HAVE DREAMT OF. OR NEEDED TO. AND ILLINOIS WANTED TO SUPPLY ALL ITS ELDERLY AND HELPLESS BY ACQUIRING THE GOODS FROM PHARMACIES IN MANITOBA AND ONTARIO, LARGELY (AND WE ON THE COAST FROM THE BORDER WITH BAJA CALIFORNIA TO THE BORDER WITH BRITISH COLUMBIA. SURE, SURE, CANADA PRODUCES 4% OF THE WORLD'S PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS, US. CONSUMES 40%.
AN AMERICAN NEWCOMER HERE, COMMISERATING WITH ME OVER THIS PAIN, SAID IT WAS CLEAR THAT SOCIALISED MEDICINE WAS MUCH LACKING. LACKING IN FITTING IN WITH YOUR NUTTY VIEWS, AS LIKE "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" ETC., AND THE AUTHOR OWNED SLAVES UNTIL HIS DEATH.
ALL OF MY TREATMENT, FOR THE DOCTORS, HOSPITALS, AMBULANCE IF I HAD NEEDED ONE, THEY ARE ALL "COVERED" BY THE GOVERNMENT PLAN (WHICH IS PAID FOR BY OUR TAXES, YOU KNOW). YOU JUST CAN'T STAND THE THOUGHT. THE IDEA OF HAVING A PLAN OF YOUR OWN IS JUST INTOLERABLE, TO YOU, BUT NOT "BEGGAR THY NEIGHBOUR".

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A Cancer Survivors Predictions
Posted by: DrSuess on Sep 2, 2008 11:22 AM   
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I have reviewed both McSame’s health care plan (he is not the same as Bush here) and also Obama’s. Basically Obama puts a band-aid on the current situation. He is not really focused on health care. McSame wants a complete overhaul. He wants businesses out of the health care business.

Here are my predictions about what will happen with McSame’s plan.

1: Cancer survivors, and anyone else who has an expensive condition will either loose health care altogether- or have to go on the state system. Some states have a state insurance program- others do not. It will be hit and miss here. No one who has a serious health condition will ever get health insurance at an affordable price (less than $2000 per month – if they can get it at all). I reached 50 in good health. My health care expenses were less than $1000 per year. Then I got cancer, and spent more than $50,000 on treatment. The operation itself was probably about $50,000. My co-pays just for the operation were over $2000, and I am one of the lucky ones that got the insurance company to pay for it. When I walked into the hospital, I did not know if I would get the insurance company to pay- or if I would declare bankruptcy.

2: Businesses will drop their health care insurance- and the general public will be “SHELL SHOCKED” by the price. Do most people know that it “costs” businesses about $1000 per person for insurance? That is just to cover the individual- not the family plan. How many people have $1000 extra each month just sitting around? I don’t know anyone who does. Even $500 or $300 will be a shock.

3. Since people cannot afford the true cost of insurance, they will go to cut rate insurance companies. These are companies that take your money and then tell you why they cannot pay when you get sick. Such companies use stupid reasons like “you have 5 toenails- and once got athletes foot in one toenail” to refuse to pay for cancer or diabetes. But basically the cost of caring for the sick in America is so high that private individuals cannot bear the true cost of the insurance premiums for “true” insurance. The average cost of medical care per person in America is about $9000- who can cover that? So “fake” insurance will come into play.

4. Only the middle class will be affected. Poor people are not affected by their lack of insurance. They go to the hospital- and then throw away the bill when it comes. What can the hospital do? Take their 10 year old car? It is the middle class that can have their house, bank accounts, IRA, and other assets. The middle class has to pay- because they have assets that can be seized to pay with. And the medical industry is famous for seizing these assets.

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A Cancer Survivors Predictions Pt 2
Posted by: DrSuess on Sep 2, 2008 11:23 AM   
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5. When “true” health insurance ceases to exist, the current medical system as we know it will be turned upside down. I don’t see why getting a port (this is an hour long operation to install a device that the chemo therapy can use to pump medicine directly into my veins) should cost $12,000. That is pretty expensive for one of the simplest operations imaginable. For a century, America has systematically chosen the most expensive option that was available. With “fake” insurance everywhere- even the middle class will not be able to pay the current costs.

Point 6 is where my predictive skills break down. I don’t know what will happen next. It will involve the clashing of several gigantically powerful forces in America. First you have the medical system, with its doctors and lobbies. It will come into direct opposition with the government, pharmaceutical and insurance industry. I cannot predict who will win. Will we open the door to alternative medicine, and halve the cost of medicine? Will we go onto a government supported system? Will the insurance companies declare bankruptcy- and dump everyone? Will the insurance companies get their fingers into a national system- and charge us a 40% override on the true cost of a Medicaid system?

It is hard to know. But one thing my crystal ball says is that McSame’s plan will take us into crisis much faster than Obama’s. If McSame gets elected, the medical system of America will be in a crisis mode as serious as the current foreclosure mess before his first term of office has ended.

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I really tried
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Sep 2, 2008 11:49 AM   
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To see your arguments, please I want to know your views,But for the life of me I couldn't follow what you were trying to say.

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» RE: I really tried Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: I really tried Posted by: Kuressaare
» RE: I really tried Posted by: jvaljon1
truth and maybe a little fiction
Posted by: using on Sep 2, 2008 12:32 PM   
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either that...or the doctor's eyes light up....here they come..particular an older person...new blood to start on the road to being pharmatutically addicted and a quick padding of their wallet and often you can track the patient's decline by their pills...
this pill to take care of the symtoms caused by that pill....etc.
And if the doctors are talking ill of their patients, perhaps it is that they are tired of wasting their breathe or just mabye, in some cases, there is another reason.....good people who do bad things to other good people live with themselves by blaming the people they are hurting...and in this climate....the doctors themselves may be bull dosed into believing the advertisements -- and did you not notice today that drug companies are even bypassing the doctors by appealing directly to the patients to "ask you doctor for .........."

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The problem is CARE, not coverage
Posted by: susanhathaway on Sep 2, 2008 12:48 PM   
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The problem, as usual, is the focus on health "coverage," which the insurance industry has made sure is not at all the same thing as access to health "care." Universal coverage does no good at all if costs are still controlled by denying patients access to needed care.

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I believe that what Kuressaare was trying to say, was that
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 2, 2008 3:13 PM   
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...he's dying and we killed him. It may be true.

Years ago, I heard that Big PharMa knew TO THE PERSON (Canadian) who was using what meds, and for what conditions. But when we started getting our drugs from Canada--because unlike Canada, our government doesn't give two shits whether any of us live or die unless we're filthy rich--because in spite of our 'unworthiness' we wanted to live anyway--

I think that Big PharMa quietly implemented a "rationing" plan for the meds that they sell Canada. And, that If any Doctor in Canada is selling MORE meds than his/her patient base allows for--the assumption then by our Big PharMa is that somehow, those meds are going to Americans for Canadian prices.

Then, Big PharMa RATIONS WHAT THEY SEND TO CANADA--resulting in those insulin shortages that Kuressaare mentioned.

These are vile, vile pigs. They WILL get their pound of flesh out of Americans--and if the Canadians help out, they themselves will have no meds other than what they can PROVE, goes to Canadians!

That's what Kuressaare, I believe, was saying. He wasn't screaming--he was trying to type intelligibly. Although if I decipher him right, he sure has plenty to scream about!

We have to bring our own prescription drug costs under control. We HAVE TO. We can't continue to rob Peter in Canada of HIS OWN MEDS, just so that our Paul can live. We have to nationalize prescription medicine in the USA NOW, just like other countries have done. We can't be taking from others just because their prescription set up is better than ours.

I think that's what Kuressaare was saying.

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medicare for all now!
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 2, 2008 5:43 PM   
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... am I the only one that sees the relationship between
healthy labor, healthy profits and HEALTH CARE !!!


If healthcare is buried in political backrooms for the first term...
who are you going to look to for relief after that?

The economy is already in the tank and the capital that was raised due to the past 8 years of greed and cronyism has already fled the country on mass, to tax free havens in other parts of the world!
Whats a capitalist to do when theirs no capital to invest with?!!!
and no market left to raise capital with!!!
all due to politically orchestrated fiscal ineptness en mass!

Healthy workers means, healthy profits and healthy industry!... is just a start but lets get the workers healthy and focused on their jobs and not on where their next meal is coming from because the collection agency is foreclosing on them cause they cant afford medical treatment for a loved one anymore!

JDFU

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Single payer is the way to go!!
Posted by: Landbaron on Sep 4, 2008 9:06 AM   
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Death to the insurance companies. That's how they feel about you if you don't buy their insurance! die, Die DIE!!!

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The Voice
Posted by: parker56 on Sep 5, 2008 7:41 PM   
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It seems to me that if the people in the state of Mass. spend more money per capita than the rest of the U.S. on healthcare, then maybe someone should start doing some research on the diets those people have. If those same people spent that initial 10k on eating better then it might be safe to say that they could reduce their medical consumption by the same amount within a couple of years.

Then, when that has been established present that study to the rest of the nation so they can reduce healthcare costs by lifestyle changes and healthy living. If they are so educated then making the necessary lifestyle and exercise changes should be an easy thing to do (at least in theory).

Of course, if they eat because they are soo stressed out from making all of that extra money and living in the mcmansions, what kind of life is that (even though they probably only sleep there, or if they are in foreclosure because of overspending themselves)? They need to slow down and focus on family and neighborly relationships instead of doctor relationships, causing the rest of us to suffer because of their greed. Oh and by the way doctors may not like that.

Another issue connected to this is childhood obesity. Parents who are more interested in giving their children shut up food, instead of education on diet choices. These same people are probably the ones who make six figures and shove their children in daycare, or with the nanny, so they don't have to take care of them or relate to them,except an hour before bedtime. These children grow up without the benefit of developing family relationships, but learn that money is more important than relationship. HOW VERY VERY SAD!! SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE!!

I say all of this because I worked in the medical field in a significant capacity for over 25 years. I am one that does not have health care (thank you materia medica for all of those years I spent helping others, so watch out other health professionals).

My medical bills amount to LESS THAN 700.00 A YEAR!

I don't need ten different MRI's and petscans to tell me how to eat properly. I have made necessary diet changes and exercise on a regular basis and have no real problems with my health. I drink lots of water. I go to the dentist three times a year and the regular doctor once a year.
It is a matter of getting to know God and your own body and how to take care of it.

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Big Savings
Posted by: Urgelt on Sep 5, 2008 9:14 PM   
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Want to reduce health care costs by 26%?

Adopt a single-payer system.

About 30% of health care costs goes straight to insurers. There is no health care being delivered by insurers. By contrast, a single-payer system can be operated at about a 4% premium over the total cost of health care.

Further, in a single-payer system, there is far less confusion about what is covered, or different plans treating people differently, or hidden fine print written by lawyers so the insurer can duck out of legitimate payments.

Other savings are achievable:

- Regulate patented drug prices (as every other industrialized nation does). We pay double what they pay, or more. A patent is a publicly-granted monopoly. It's basic economics: if you don't regulate a monopoly, you get extortion.

- Ban prescription drug advertising to consumers. You can cut drug prices by $3 billion.

- Ban prescription drug advertising and promotions to doctors. Drug advertising and promotions have only one purpose: to sway a doctor into prescribing a more expensive drug. We do need to inform doctors about drugs; let's set up a mechanism by which objective drug information is disseminated to doctors, preferably on-line. Hint: the drug manufacturers are not objective sources of information.

- Ban consulting fees for doctors who serve on committees and boards which make treatment recommendations. We want those doctors paying attention to science, not corporate profits.

Those are just for starters. Our system is dysfunctionally based on greed, not compassion - and that's not what the Hippocratic Oath is supposed to be about. We need to rip it up by the roots and start fresh.

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» ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - AND MAY I ADD... Posted by: Peter Mackrael
Part of the trouble with the current system is...
Posted by: Landbaron on Sep 6, 2008 11:38 AM   
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There's a lot of healthy people out there that don't have insurance and don't need it and don't buy it. I for one have not had insurance for 5 years and have saved almost $25,000 'cos of it.
I'll be glad when single payer kicks in and everybody will pay their fair share.

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