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The Three Dumbest Neocon Predictions Since the Disaster in Iraq

By John Dolan, AlterNet. Posted August 25, 2008.


Nothing seems to keep the Neocons from losing respectability. Here are three contenders for the dumbest Neocon predictions post-Iraq.
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Now that the Beijing games have wound up, we can get on to a sporting event with real significance: a Neocon Olympics to decide the most grossly wrong, stupid prediction by a Neocon pundit post-Iraq. Of course, it's a very rich field. Being totally wrong about absolutely everything is the Neocons' job, and they've been working overtime on it. Their proudest moment had to be in the lead-up to the Iraq war when Kenneth Adelman assured America that democratizing Iraq would be "a cakewalk." Indeed, early Neocons like Adelman and Richard Perle (who predicted that Iraq would settle down "at the first whiff of gunpowder") set the bar for disastrously wrong predictions so high that some have suggested that the trophy be retired in their honor. But doing that would mean shutting out all the more recent Neocon predictions. Their little mistakes may not have cost as many trillions of dollars and thousands of lives as Adelman and Perle's, but give them time. They're doing their best to push us into more disastrous wars, and with team spirit like theirs, they may yet succeed. Here are the top contenders:

1. "The Arab Spring Is Happening Now" by Abe Greenwald, Pajamas Media.

There are many unintentionally funny aspects of this April 13, 2008, article, such as the fact that two of the countries Greenwald cites approvingly, Turkey and Pakistan, aren't Arab at all. But as with all good comedy, it's the timing that makes this article such a winner. To see the joke, you have to remember that Neocons have been predicting an "Arab Spring" for years, in which democracy, once we'd introduced it to Iraq, would spread like a weed all over the Middle East.

Greenwald acknowledges that he and his friends were wrong to claim that "spring" would happen in 2005, but, he assures his gullible readers, they were just a little premature. It's coming right now, he gushes, that blessed spring -- it's just a little late. Democracy is busting out all over, especially in Lebanon! The article's subhead cited Lebanon's "Cedar Revolution" as a sure sign of spring -- the first Arab robin of the Arab spring, as it were -- and the story featured a photo of a Lebanese woman wearing face paint in the shape of the Lebanese national flag. Now the punch line: Less than four weeks after the article appeared, the pro-Syrian Shia militia Hezbollah took over West Beirut, the wealthy seaside district that harbored most of the overpublicized "Cedar Revolution" demonstrators who were the basis of Greenwald's prediction. What made the takeover particularly demoralizing for the Neocons, who regard Iran-backed Hezbollah as Hitler-by-proxy, is that none of the local militias offered more than token resistance. Hezbollah literally walked through Beirut to the sea without meeting resistance, destroyed a TV station that had broadcast hostile stories, and, after its demands were met, walked back out again. The Arab Spring was indefinitely postponed; the Arab groundhog had seen his shadow.

Of course, this wasn't about "democracy," nor was it the disaster the Neocons claimed it was. Hezbollah represents the Lebanese Shia, the poorest and most despised ethnic group in the country. Their victory isn't necessarily bad news unless you're dishonest enough to pretend that the wealthy West Beirut elite that shows up to those "Cedar Revolution" rallies that get so much Western press really represent "democracy." They didn't care much about democracy when it was the Shia who were being excluded for generations from the Lebanese polity, and they don't care about it now. Their goal is to maintain their privileged position; no more, no less. What Hezbollah's victory meant was that a new power, hostile (for very good reason) to Israel and the United States, had triumphed -- and that Neocon prognostications had been wrong again. And not just wrong, but comically wrong -- so ludicrously wrong that in any other country in the world, someone guilty of such a disastrous misreading would be banned for life from the press. Not here, though; Greenwald continues to make stunningly foolish pronouncements every week. Punishment is reserved for those, like weapons inspector Scott Ritter, who dare to be right when all the Neocon pundits are wrong. For being right about the fact that Iraq had no WMDs, Ritter was subjected by Pajamas Media to a classic right-wing character assassination, "Scott Ritter: Anti-War Problem Child." That hit piece appeared on May 3, three weeks after Greenwald predicted the coming of the Arab Spring and three days before Hezbollah took over West Beirut.

2. "Hail Mauritania!" by James Kirchick, Weekly Standard.


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John Dolan is an editor of the Moscow-based English-language alternative paper, The eXile. He is the author of, most recently, Pleasant Hell (Capricorn, 2005).

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Dumb or evil?
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Aug 25, 2008 1:28 AM   
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I don't think you can call them dumb and let them get away with it.

Most of them knew exactly what they were talking about and the knew that what they were saying were lies, but that did not stop them from saying it repeatedly.

The dumb ones are those who bought it and those who still buy them,

/Farhad

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» RE: Dumb or evil? Posted by: cordas
» RE: Dumb or evil? Posted by: andyc
» RE: Dumb or evil? Posted by: marie.vorrath
» RE: Dumb or evil? Posted by: Kahoneez
"NeoCon" Agenda Has Run America Since Before 9/11 -- Who's Being Dumb?
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 25, 2008 2:14 AM   
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And who was dumbed down?

This is yet more transparent limited hangout.

So-called NeoCons defined by support for utterly bogus 9/11 "war on terror" genocide of at least 1000 documented lies and a FISA spy state on the public nickel include Obama, Biden, McCain and his handler Lieberman. In sum, all "candidates" have been put up by their Big Oil and Wall Street ruling class paymasters. Even as each of these temp DC stooges at the supposed "left" "right" and "center" of politics at Amerika Corp.

Well, I've got a bit of news for the group-think MSM poseurs at Alternet: there is no "left" "right" and "center" under a FASCIST organized corporate crime state.

None.

There is only a bloody delusion for the gullible. And if you continue to sell the fantasy we live under "democracy" cum "capitalism" and not Fascism as the NeoCons tell it—well, we'd have to be "dumb" to believe it. Or to believe you represent an “alternative” to corporate MSM brainwash.

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Neocon pundits
Posted by: bitsfick on Aug 25, 2008 3:21 AM   
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are paid millions of dollars a year to sprinkle sugar on horseshit, and sell it to the party faithful as candy, and they are doing a hell of a business.

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» RE: Neocon pundits Posted by: weenie
» RE: Neocon pundits Posted by: Cybershaman
Drop ship their greedy,
Posted by: weathered on Aug 25, 2008 3:27 AM   
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foul and defective asses in the sands of Iraq. They can walk the pipeline to Israel and stay there behind the Wall marked; damaged goods.

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syed salamah ali mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Aug 25, 2008 3:38 AM   
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"Money, money, money
That's the name of the Game"
Good Luck America!

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Neo-Cons: Their job is to be terribly wrong!
Posted by: Thebigkate on Aug 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
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I love your comment that being tototally wrong is the Neo-Cons job, and they are very good at it!!!! From the get-go, these bozos have screwed up each of their "missions," then backtracked and made it somehow seem not their fault! To me, Douglas Feith is the worst, and the dumbest--although I think nary a one of these turkeys has even rudimentary emotional intelligence! I wish they would all just leave--which actually in January, they just may!!!! It's going to be a nasty clean-up job though.

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ZIO-CON PROPAGANDISTS get unlimited time on CORPIRATE FAUX GREEDIA!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Shills get paid Millions to spill your Guts.
Phony Wars!
Endless Rovien BU__! SH__!
What else is new?

Use the One BILLION Dollars to help and
Feed The Poor
FUNK wasting it on buying air time on the
FAUX GREEDIA
The Enemy is
The Corpirate Media.
Stop Supporting it!
A Billion dollars will help a lot of needy families.
The time for change is now.
Support the Base.

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CENSORSHIP ALERT!
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Aug 25, 2008 4:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why is there no mention of the predominant ethnic and/or religious affiliation of the majority of the neocons?

No honest discussion of the neocon agenda and their policies can exist without first understanding this basic fact.

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» RE: CENSORSHIP ALERT! Posted by: vicentelll
» RE: CENSORSHIP ALERT! Posted by: TagsNOLA
» RE: CENSORSHIP ALERT! Posted by: rinthy
» RE: Nicely written Rinthy! Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: CENSORSHIP ALERT! Posted by: PointMan
What, Nothing about William Kristol's BS?
Posted by: thornwolf on Aug 25, 2008 4:39 AM   
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Why no mention of possibly the wrongest pinhead pundit of all time?

Anyway, it's the agenda. They know perfectly well what they're doing, which, ironically, proves they have no real faith.

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It's A Tie
Posted by: desidid on Aug 25, 2008 4:46 AM   
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They all look like pedophiles.

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Greenwald
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 25, 2008 4:50 AM   
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LOL, Greenwald is an idiot, who cares what he thinks! LOL

RD
Ultimate Anonymity

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» RE: Greenwald Posted by: left_libertarian
No change
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Aug 25, 2008 4:53 AM   
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Neocons do appear to be dumb, but dont let that fool you..There is a deliberate mission behind their actions.

what is really dumb though is Peolosi's first 100 hours remark and the drain the swamp remark.. We expected real change and we got more of the same....

I'm wondering now if Obama will be more of the same..

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» RE: No change Posted by: Quannah
'Neo Cons' is a OXYMORON..they are Corporationists
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 25, 2008 5:15 AM   
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All the Euphanisms used in this country only help those Corp'ist remain behind the curtain of Delusion.
"Neo Cons" are not new nor conservative.How can you be "new' but yet be conservative, doesn't conservative require an previous standard/definition. conservative as opposed to what the New way of thinking?Conserving what? Doesn't also inferr that actions will not be hasty? They are the same political entity which brought US 'The Federal Reserve'- the grandaddy of Gov't For Profit Private Sub contractors.Not 'Federal' (as in a Gov't agency) Nor do they appear to beable to "reserve" anything.By the way 'Feds' how much Gold are you still 'holding ' for US?
"Reagan Democrat" are not Democrats, but Disaffected Republicans (due to 'Religious overthrow of the party in the'80s') -Still in to the doctrine of 'Shit rolls down Hill' economics..NOT a Democrats Economic stratedgy- Ours is a pyramid which keeps the base (foundation) of the economy strong, Labor!
"Pro Life" funny they don't seem to give a shit once the child is delivered, not through childhood, adolescence, working ,parenting, retiring, aging or Dying.
"Religious Right"- Well since they seem to have place not only 'jesus' above god ,but also their 'preachers'...I'd say they have a fundemental conflict of interest with claiming they are 'Right'.Beyond breaking the 1st commandment, they proceed to break "Thou shall Not Kill"-so their dreams of waging a war against 'islamic Facists'again appears innately flawed.'Coveting your neighbor'belongings is also a "mortal sin"-so to attempt to steal Oil at any cost, flies in the face of the basic tennent too.
So how do these two examples feed the Corp Beast.
Corps want to own and control ALL resources, including Human labor. so if you jack up the birth rate, but no the living conditions You get a supply side labor market , who is hungry & desperate. Like putty in your Cold Corp Hands.
Those who continue to ignore the blatant manipulation of Rhetoric,the contradictions to their own 'Holy Books' and outright conflict of interest to themselves and humankind will continue to serve not just the Power Hungry Corps, but a doctrine opposed to their own Religion.
Heads Up 'Faithful' you ar being used. You are not even following the most basic teachings."God" or nature made US the stewards of this planet, the brains, the physical abilities and the memory & foresight to manage this planet. "He" did not bestow this on Brick & Mortar- but on ALL living breathing HUMANS.
Pray Tell Who do you Serve?
"Bomb bomb Bomb Iran" alone should tell you McCain (son of Cain) is NOT intested in carrying out his Duties as a 'keeper' nor serving the rest of the 'Keepers'
Waht entity would appreciate the help of man to facilitate War, uncontrolled population, indifference to living conditions, Hatred due to philosophical variations...Who..those who would Profit from this or One who is incapable of acting independently, because IT is not 'Almighty'?BOTH

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And both the GOP and Democrats are fools for letting it all happen.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 25, 2008 5:17 AM   
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ditto

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They aren't the one that continue to by into the lies....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 25, 2008 5:21 AM   
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While those that have a functioning brain and critically analyze what these bozos are saying many are not, hence Bushco's second term! Part of the problem is that the corporate owned media are no longer covering the issues, and challenging the lies these people continue to promulgate! Part of the problem is those people that refuse to connect the dots and believe the "spin" and "truthiness" that are being sold as "reality". And then you have those people that want to see everything with a biblical lens. While I hold nothing against anyones belief in God, my issue is that many of these people believe when it is convenient for them, and pick and choose which parts of their book they will believe. And yet they ignore the part about loving their neighbors, doing for the least of these, or turning the other cheek!

No these people read from the same script, and their corporate sponsors help promulgate their lies, the real issue is the people that continue to believe them.

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Coup in Mauritania? What about the coup in the US?
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 25, 2008 5:44 AM   
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While you're poking fun at Neocons for making bad predictions about some remote region of Africa, they are using military grade anthrax and false flag terrorism to commit a coup in the United States. Do you think they really care about these silly predictions? I guess you should just be happy you're not a microbiologist.

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The thing is...
Posted by: emmas on Aug 25, 2008 6:27 AM   
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Neoconservatism is, to some extent, a fairly predictable extension of the conviction held by quite a few Americans that the US is the greatest country in the history of the universe, the militant patriotism, moral superiority complex, and so on. So many Americans seem to believe that the US invented the concept of democracy, and have no idea that other countries have constitutions with bills of rights. Another thing I find really odd is the absolute worship of the 'founding fathers'. And there's still this insistence that the rest of the world wants or needs America's 'moral leadership'; for America to show us all what democracy really is. We don't.

The neocons are despicable specimens, for sure, but in my non-American opinion, a large part of the problem is the cultural mythology that's allowed them to gain so much power and influence.

I don't mean to suggest that all Americans are quite so parochial, but there seems to be this uncritical acceptance of the inherent greatness of the US that I've never come across anywhere else, and just makes no sense to me.

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» RE: The thing is... Posted by: Godfrey
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Factual error
Posted by: saabrian on Aug 25, 2008 7:56 AM   
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There is a factual mistake in this piece.

"On May 7, 2007, Kirchick wrote a cheery, optimistic column called (believe it or not) 'Hail Mauritania,'... Three months later, on Aug. 6, the Mauritanian army overthrew the winner of that glorious election..."

In fact, the coup occurred on Aug. 6, 2008... 15 months later, not 3.

This doesn't change the correctness of the analysis but it should be changed.

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The Obama-Biden ticket will change the world!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Aug 25, 2008 8:04 AM   
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This country is on the cusp of change and the Obama-Biden ticket is doing just that. Please join me in an upcoming website called "WeMustChange.org"

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Are You Ready For Nuclear War..? Neo Cons a clear and present danger to America..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 25, 2008 9:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Neo Cons represent a clear and present danger and threat to American National Security...

They have only proven to weaken the American military and also bankrupted us as well..

They are, by those most respected and seasoned in foreign affairs considered "nut cases", and were not tolerated in any real sense until Bush and Cheney put them in the forefront of America foreign policy, and that includes making one of their ilk and least competent Secretary of State for God's sake...!

There's a great article by Paul Craig Roberts no liberal left wing nut case by far but a Reagan appointee at Counterpunch.org it's title is Are You Ready For Nuclear War..?

It covers in part a perspective on these dangerous Neo Cons from the inside of even the conservative Reagan Administration..

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Neocon
Posted by: Archie1954 on Aug 25, 2008 9:06 AM   
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The term Neocon is going to become the new generic, slang term for pyscopath or uncontrolled evil.

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Definition
Posted by: Solar Wind on Aug 25, 2008 10:20 AM   
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So I decided to look up the meaning of "pundit" - the first two didn't fit: "Teacher" - "Learned" but the third one sure did:

a person who gives opinions in an authoritative manner usually through the mass media

Note it says in an authoritative manner -

Amazing the number of people you can fool simply by the TONE of your delivery and these nasty nasty men use it to out-shout, not out-debate with reason, any opponent. How can we allow these few willfully ignorant individuals to continue to lead us down the path of destruction?

Are most of Americans also willfully ignorant? I'm beginning to think so.

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Can we POSSIBLY pull in the same direction?
Posted by: RrrandyWurst on Aug 25, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Everybody, of course, has (or should have) the right to voice their opinion, as John Dolan does. Problem for Democrats historically, currently, and likely in the future, is our apparent inability to ignore differences when the crucial time comes to getting our people elected. We'd rather parse and snipe than pull in the same direction even in times, such as now, when unity is important to get out of power the far more odious opposition (read Republicans, if you haven't already figured that out). The one thing we might learn from Republicans is how to win elections, which is teamwork. After the election, we can go back to our self-sniping.

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Pat Buchanan tells it like it is with real facts!
Posted by: NotNeoCon on Aug 25, 2008 12:02 PM   
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Everyday is Opposites Day!
Posted by: BobNoxious on Aug 25, 2008 12:11 PM   
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Just remember that in the Neo-Con mindset, its Bizzaro World, where everything is the complete opposite of reality!

"...where you burp where you fart, and you fart where you burp."
-Peter Griffin

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Neo Con = Old ConMen
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Aug 25, 2008 12:15 PM   
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Please do not call them conservatists, because they are not. Conservatists try to preserve values and what is important to them, these people are ConMen, they want to change everything so they get rich. There is nothing conservative about that, it is the old fashion street-smart con-men who make you look the other way so their friends can pick you pocket.

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How Dumb can the Neocons be...
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 25, 2008 3:06 PM   
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...when they've had control over everything for so many years?

So what if a few neocon journalists (if you can call them that) and a few pundits get their predictions wrong? Look at William Kristol; he's a brainless as they come, yet he's got a cushy job at the New York Times after running the Weekly Standard for years.

You don't need brains if you have money and power. These losers get published in major news outlets. I see Ann Coulter and think, that woman ought to be working one of those phone sex 900 numbers. Rush Limbaugh, druggie and psycho extraordinaire, can't seem to get fired no matter how obnoxious he is. Ditto Bill O'Reilly.

The MSM is a crap pusher. It sells this noxious misinformation as fact, and the public laps it up and thinks it's "news." The mainstream pushers are owned and controlled by rich neocons who decide what kind of "news" is disseminated to the public.

The biggest hoax from these pushers, and their neocon friends in the White House, is the "war on terror."

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Neocons and Israel lobby helped create disaster in Georgia
Posted by: Garvagh on Aug 25, 2008 4:37 PM   
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Great piece. It should be said that Hezbollah is not the enemy of the US, and for that matter it would pay little attention even to Israel, if Israel would end the occupation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights, and allow the Palestinians their own country. Check with the emir of Qatar, if you doubt this.

Without the foolish encouragement of the neocons in Washington, Saakashvili would not have launched his insane murderous surprise attack on Russian soldiers in South Ossetia. Israel played a large role in arming and training the Georgian army, and its intelligence services would almost certainly have known of the surprise attack before it was launched.

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RESPONSE TO DOCKBOY'S ATTACK ON PURPLE GIRL
Posted by: bc430 on Aug 25, 2008 5:17 PM   
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Whoa Professor dockboy,

I agree with you that Purple Girl probably "euphemistically" meant what you know Purple Girl meant, and "corporationists" is probably Purple Girl's attempt to identify these soul-less muthafuckas as non human and unable to care about things human. So Purple Girl made up a word. Isn't that how they all happened? Somebody made 'em up and they stuck. Are you one of them corporationists, or is Purple Girl, according to you, an idiot because Purple Girl writes the way Purple Girl writes or because Purple Girl says what you lack the balls or life experience to even think?

This ain't no PhD stuff to be defended. It's all sorts a folks spoutin off their take on shit.

Maybe the IDIOTS are those who over-re-act to the flaws of the little people 'cause deep down you identify with the agenda and fear the perceived power and admire the coolness of the soul-less non human muthafukas who rape, rob plifer, plunder, murder and intermarry in the name of a God they don't believe in.

Think wit me here professor for jist a minit. If the super majority of humane people on planet earth whose life blood a handful of soul-less non humans suck on and deprive with their aristocratic depravity; if our dumb scared asses would quit munufacturing artificial reasons to draw away from each other and instead come together around our commonality we would be like a huge herd of sheep and the Neocons, Zionists or whatever idiotic name they choose to call themselves would be like ONE lone wolf. We the people armed with the proper attitude of who our real enemy is would surround that damn wolf and just keep pressing in on his blood thirsty big bad vastly outnumbered ass and press in and give him no means of escape. The heretofore defenseless sheep will smother that wolf to D E A T H. When his howling and barking, growling, snarling and biting turn to gasping for air have no simpathy for the devil. Smother your tormentor. Keep pressing til he is silent and motionless.

I probably misspelled some words Professor, but let me help you if you're still posssesssed by the urge to engage in name calling. An idiot ain't butcherin the king's words in this post a WARRIOR is. Let's Smother the fuckin wolf. Purple Girl ain't the wolf.

For starters live in reality long enough to do all you can to get Obama and Biden in the White House.

Purple Girl ain't no idiot. Purple Girl is Purple Girl, and you is U and I is me and dis paper ain't go git graded by yo middle school teacher or my college advisor. If it is then you tell her my PTSD kicked in, and if she's rootin for John McCain and the republicans to further drag this nation down lower than they already have she can kiss my ass and stick my doctoralness (is dat a word?) up hers.

Thanks.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

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» I back Purple Girl as well... Posted by: theallegro
Democratic Party: Soft on the Criminals Bush and Cheney
Posted by: left_libertarian on Aug 25, 2008 5:23 PM   
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Arrest Bush and Cheney NOW!

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Still blaming Bush and Cheney or those who fooled them?
Posted by: grn1 on Aug 25, 2008 5:47 PM   
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Time for a new world trial om war criminals

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I am surprised