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Media Sees Biden Pick as Big Plus for Dem Ticket

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted August 23, 2008.


But his overall record is a mixed-bag for progressives.

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Politically, Barack Obama's choice of Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) as his running mate is a strong one. Biden, an experienced white guy with working-class roots and a reputation as one of the leading Democrats on foreign policy, does for the ticket just what a VP pick should: he balances out Obama's perceived weaknesses. As far as policy goes, Biden's record, with a few notable exceptions, is pretty strong on most of the domestic issues that progressive voters hold dear. In terms of his foreign policy inclinations, however, Biden is a dedicated "liberal interventionist," which should cause pause among those hoping that an Obama presidency might usher in a dramatically different foreign policy paradigm; Biden is not one to reject American militarism, only to cloak it in a veneer of multilateral cooperation.

Most mainstream pundits are almost giddy about the selection of Biden. David Yepsen writes in the Des Moines Register that Biden is "a solid choice that adds political savvy, national security experience and a pit bull campaigner to Obama's ticket." USA Today's Susan Page says Biden "instantly bolsters the ticket's credentials on foreign policy," adding that Biden, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "is one of Congress' most knowledgeable and respected voices on national security." The WaPo's Dan Balz adds that the senator "brings far more to the ticket than foreign policy experience. He has a powerful personal story... [and] Biden's record in the area of crime and the judiciary is another asset Democrats can point to that will go beyond his foreign policy credentials." Even Fox News grudgingly acknowledged that the "choice shows that [Obama] can exercise good judgment."

In other words, Biden brings with him a degree of "seriousness" that the Washington establishment values highly. By selecting him, Obama has acknowledged that his brand of "change" will be tempered by moderation -- that nothing in his agenda will threaten the status quo too much.

Politically, that in itself makes the pick a good one, and we can expect a week of positive reactions in the media that will coincide with the Democratic Convention beginning in Denver on Monday. The end result will likely be a more significant convention "bounce" than the modest two-percent bump John Kerry enjoyed in 2004.

Biden brings other political benefits to the ticket. An articulate and hard-hitting debater, Biden will do well serving the traditional vice presidential nominee's role of attack-dog, while Obama himself stays (somewhat) above the fray. Despite decades in Washington, Biden's reputation as a straight-shooter who says what he means regardless of the repercussions -- a tendency that has gotten him into trouble a few times during his career -- gives him a bit of an ousidery caché. He is, in a sense, a Democratic version of John McCain, appreciated by the Beltway media for his availability and ability to come up with a pithy quote when need be. He has also long appealed to those much-discussed "white working-class" voters who have so far approached Obama's candicacy with a certain amount of trepidation.

He has some political baggage, with a reputation for grand-standing -- they say the most dangerous place in DC is between Joe Biden and a camera. During the primaries, Biden questioned whether Barack Obama was ready for the Oval Office, saying in one debate "I think (Obama) can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." The McCain campaign was quick to seize upon the claim immediately after the announcement. It's unlikely, however, that voters are going to make too much of that -- as The Nation's John Nichols noted, "Democrats, and ultimately Americans, should be able to reconcile themselves to the fact of a No. 2 who suggested Obama was not ready to be No. 1. How? By recognizing that in the modern era political-party tickets really do blend into a whole."


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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 23, 2008 5:56 PM   
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The complete lack of passion and enthusiasm in your heart is not disguised by your "encouraging" words.

I reckon you are gutted on the inside.

What a waste.

Look when I was a player - I always encouraged the best talent - the younger guys who were so much better than me - such that they could become my boss when I wanted to make a graceful exit.

I didn't want my job forever - but whilst doing it I wanted the best team available in the world - such that we could succeed and triumph.

You can't really be happy with this?

Maybe you should go back to the Daily Kos

Kos is actually quite a nice island

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» What's with the hostility? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: What's with the hostility? Posted by: HeroesAll
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» RE: JH, I thought it was a good article - Agreed Posted by: brilliantatbreakfast
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» RE: If we lose one more election Posted by: Cybershaman
Obama may as well have picked Leiberman . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Aug 23, 2008 6:00 PM   
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Biden is a war hawk, defender of Israel and
an elitist who will sell the ordinary US citizen out whenever he can.

Obama is still a better choice than McSongbird, but this choice did not help his chances.

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» War Hawk? Posted by: Rolomax
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» MBNA Posted by: Dboy
» Obama/Graham Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: Graham Is My Senator Posted by: desidid
Overall a reasonable pick
Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 23, 2008 6:19 PM   
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I suspect that just about every reader had their own preferred pick, and I suspect there'll be a lot of indignant "How could he pick him" cries. But as Joshua says, Obama could have done a lot worse.

And there are two important things to remember here:

1) The task of getting elected and the task of cleaning up the Bush mess are two separate tasks. We (and by 'we' I mean the world that's currently endangered by the Bush administration for a variety of reasons, as well as Americans) need Obama to get elected, first of all, and anything that helps towards that end is A Good Thing. In that respect, he's made a solid pick, someone who has some cred, and, importantly, someone who can think on his feet and come out with cutting rejoinders (Noun-verb-9/11, for example). Biden will present well, and will come across as serious, no-nonsense, and acceptably smart (although we don't know whether his tastes in salad vegetables will be unacceptably elitist). So overall, he'll probably help in getting Obama elected, which is important hurdle number one.

2) Progressives will never get a candidate that we're completely happy with, at least under the current system. It's impossible to even stand for office without being richer than most of us, and the gerrymandering of boundaries, the electoral college, and the Old Boys network ensures that candidates who survive must subscribe, at least publicly, to a whole passel of policies that are in line with establishment thinking. So instead of complaining that Biden's not perfect, let's look at him realistically, and admit that unless we do a helluva lot of work for a very long while, he's the best we're going to get.

In short, Obama's made a good practical choice, which might help get him elected. If he does, then we'll face the long-term task of staying on his back until he does what we want.

It's politics. It's not fairy stories. We don't get what we want by wishing for it.

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» RE: Overall a reasonable pick Posted by: HeroesAll
» Well said, sir . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Well said, sir . . . Posted by: maxpayne
» HAHAHAHAHAHA . . . Posted by: Scientz
» Edwards . . . ? Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Thanks! Posted by: desidid
There was no choice Obama could have made who wouldn't have angered a large section of the base.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Aug 23, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Alternet has a few articles on this choice now (see, for example, "And the Winnder Is: Joe Biden"), and it is amazing how many people are downright incensed by the choice of Biden as VP. Honestly, I think a lot of progressives dislike him for the fact that he's a curmudgeonly old white male; it's an image thing, and Biden doesn't seem hip enough to them.

But Biden is a good choice. He aggressively political and doesn't shy away from using harshly critical language. He likes to talk for a long time, which is a sign of his assertiveness, and repetition is necessary in politics. A point or argument sounds more reasonable the more times you hear it; this is just a psychological reality.

Biden can be Obama's attack dog for the rest of this election. While Biden performs this function, Obama can play the role of the calm, patient leader who is above the fray, thus allowing the Democratic ticket to be aggressive while holding the moral high ground.

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» Like who? Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: You Are Right Posted by: desidid
» RE: You Are Right Posted by: Quannah
» RE: You Are Right Posted by: desidid
Tough choice, only practical choice to maybe win?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 23, 2008 6:43 PM   
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First I should say, good summation from Joshua - and I for one am grateful that it didn't mention either Neil Kinnock or "clean and articulate"! How novel.

I think Iraq will fade some in the campaign. In the public mind, since even Bush has accepted (in principle!) the Iraqi government's desire for pullouts, it will be less of an issue, for at least three months anyway. If it were more of an issue, Biden would look much worse.

Not one of the strong-on-foreign-policy types fit the bill, really, since like Biden they were all pro-war to various degrees. Evan Bayh had all the same problems while being a nonentity. HRC had the same problems, plus the uniquely Hillary problems (I figure Obama might have read some history about Catherine de Medici & the Empress Dowager Cixi - all the poison & food tasters!, he just didn't want the hassle).

Also I couldn't help but notice how no one, absolutely no one, ever seemed to suggest Bill Richardson - not what I'd have expected six months ago, & what a putz he turned out to be.

So I figured Obama would settle on one of the obscure governors, but his poll numbers have dropped low enough he couldn't take the chance?

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With "friends" like Joshua Holland, who need enemies?
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 23, 2008 6:52 PM   
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At a time when freedom-loving Americans need to rally their forces and support the Obama/Biden ticket in hopes of beating Unfit Mccain and his rightwing extremist cabal, AlterNet's Joshua Holland ruins the day with discouragement and negativity.

Holland doesn't get it, that because the GOP can't run on issues, it intends to destroy the character and integrity of Obama and Biden -- two good men who deserve Holland's respect, not cynicism.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
Seven reasons to vote against Unfit McCain

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» I agree Posted by: HeroesAll
» With "friends" like Hugh Scott... Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: A Breath Of Fresh Air! Posted by: desidid
What is a progressive?
Posted by: Charley2u on Aug 23, 2008 7:03 PM   
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I sort of get the issues with which you have problems vis a vis Biden, but I do wonder at your personal definition of the term, "progressive."

This label is owned by such a breadth of opinion within the Democratic Party it is altogether impossible for me to understand exactly what is meant by it.

Am I a progressive? How would I know?

I know what a liberal is; and, a conservative, a socialist, a fascist, an anarchist, a libertarian, and, a communist are. These terms have some defined meaning.

I just can't figure out what a progressive is.

The term sounds pretty weak, meaningless, and deliberately ambiguous to me.

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» RE: What is a progressive? Posted by: HeroesAll
» A progressive is... Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: A progressive is... Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: What is a progressive? Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: What is a progressive? Posted by: desidid
JH, have you lost your mind ?!?!?
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 23, 2008 7:34 PM   
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Biden is the WORST to pick. Ever since Nixon's LANDSLIDE victory, Biden has been in Washington and what has he done to push for change for the better? NOTHING unless you can name me a single bill he actually succeeded in passing that actually helped the working class. Obama already shitted himself and now is heading towards a SUPER LANDSLIDE LOSS thanks to picking Biden. As you probably already know, Obama's caving in to the GOP on every vote and issue has made my wife and I angrier at him and the Democratic Party that we keep increasing our contributions to the Nader camp and are reaching out to more pissed off Democrats and even Republicans who are sick and tired of being written and sold out to vote for Nader or Mckinney. If you think Mondale's or even Mcgovern's LANDSLIDE DEFEAT was bad enough, Obama's will be even WORSE with a possible 50 state SUPER LANDSLIDE for Mccain. And don't even think of blaming us Nader/Mckinney voters because your party had 8 years to prove themselves different from the GOP and they FUCKING FAILED !! Like it or not, Mccain will pick Romney and thanks to the pathetic pansy nature of the Democratic Party on anything, it will be 8 years of Mccain followed by 8 years of Romney !! The Democrats have done their best to DAMAGE themselves and they're succeeding. And don't forget possibly SUPER HEAVY LOSSES in the House and Senate thanks to their capitulating to the GOP. We wasted our FUCKING time and efforts in 2006 giving the Democrats one more chance to stand up to Bush and the party GAGGED.

GOD WILL PUNISH THE DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA FOR CAVING IN TO THE GOP LIKE DUMB DOGS !!!!

P.S.: And if you think that the red states and red areas of blue state in 2004 were the highest evangely turnout, 2008 is gonna be a SUPER SHOCKER. The religious/gun-totting special interests on the rightwing have already gone out in force to work on convincing potential evangely voters to overlook any of Mccain's weaknesses and give him a "free" pass. This is gonna be VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD BAD BAD !!!!

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» maxpayne Posted by: opmoc
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Carefully Worded MSM LIMTED HANGOUT
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 23, 2008 7:51 PM   
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Sorry but most of this article could have been written out of any sordid corner of the corporate MSM.

Fact is all presidential "candidates" left at what passes for surface power are owned by the Fascist superstructure that bankrolled them and pushed them down the nation's throat via a completely gutted MSM-Washington circus.

By voting record on a FISA spy state, the genocide of bogus 9/11 "war on terror" of a thousand lies funding or any other objective measure, Obama and Biden (via handlers like George Soros and Zbignew Brzezinski) are corrupt as McCain and his NeoCon DC handlers including Lieberman at the supposed "right" and "center".

The practical truth is, there can be no real "center" and no "left" nor "right" under FASCIST RULE. To maintain the pretense that there can be is a cheap delusion that only benefits what George Carlin called The “Owners” of the Fascist Corporate Crime State that rules the west.

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The Question Should Be Asked of Hugh Scott and John McCain
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 23, 2008 8:12 PM   
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How Many Innocent Children Did You Personally Kill in Vietnam

And how can you live with your conscience?

What threat did the people of Vietnam pose to you Americans - living in America in 1967?

Did you seriously think that the Vietnam Peasants were going to overrun America and convert you to the evil of Socialism - Communism - Call it what you like

Couldn't you instead have just stayed home and learn't Gliding

There was no threat to America from Vietnam

Now the Entire Fucking World Hates You

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» RE: I asked the same question Posted by: mahembar
» RE: THE DRAFT??? Survival? KIDS! Posted by: Purple Girl
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» RE: THE DRAFT??? Survival? KIDS! Posted by: photon's feather
Ralph Nader speaks out on Obama's VP pick Biden
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 23, 2008 8:16 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]


"MasterCard VP," Pro-War Biden Doesn't Have What it Takes to Deliver Hillary Votes That Obama Needs

In naming the MasterCard Senator and pro-war Joe Biden to be his Vice Presidential nominee, Senator Obama has chosen a running mate whose biting primary season criticisms of Obama will be used by McCain.

While Biden has shown backbone by supporting the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, habeas corpus for Guantanamo prisoners and voting for the McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance, it is difficult to see what Biden brings to the Obama campaign other than the possibility of being a rhetorically populist attack man against the McCain campaign.

Biden will have a tough time when people find out that as MBNA's man in the Senate--MBNA has been his biggest financial backer, after contributing $214,000 over his career--he was the long-time champion and key architect of, in the words of Chair of the Senate Banking Committee, Senator Chris Dodd, "one of the "worst bills ever," the anti-consumer bankruptcy law, which helped pave the way for the present foreclosure crisis by shifting the risk for engaging in predatory lending practices from predatory lenders to hapless borrowers.

I doubt that the millions of Americans being pushed out of their homes and squeezed on interest rate payments will want to vote for a ticket with Biden's name on it when he was the one who worked through two presidential administrations to ram this legislation through, first with President Clinton who had the good sense to veto it, and then President Bush who had the moral bankruptcy to sign it.

The chief knock on Obama, besides his numerous flip-flops on matters of civil liberties, the war and justice, has been his lack of experience. That Obama ultimately picked the one person who most bluntly criticized his experience and readiness for the Presidency suggests that one of the reasons the Illinois Senator picked Biden was for his foreign policy experience. Does that include his Iraq war support? Does that include his support for the militaristic repression of Palestinians and their homeland instead of supporting the Israeli and Palestinian peace movements for a majority backed two-state solution?

Biden is highly regressive on criminal justice issues. He was the architect of the modern drug war (i.e., the Anti-Drug Abuse of 1986), including mandatory minimum sentencing that can be credited with the world record U.S. prison population. On foreign policy, Biden is a hawk who supported the use of military force in Iraq and has voted for every funding bill, put forward by Bush-Cheney

By picking Biden, arguably the most powerful pro-war Democratic Senator, to fill his foreign policy experience vacuum, Obama has squandered his biggest perceived image distinction with McCain, and can no longer ride the coattails of the anti-war movement and the majority of Americans who oppose Bush and Cheney's illegal foreign wars.

Biden, who voted for reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act along with Obama, will not help much with the millions of independent voters who care about the Constitution. Hillary Clinton who after voting, like Biden, for this bill the first time in 2001, decided to vote against the reauthorization of the notoriously misnamed PATRIOT Act.

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» RE: Yeah - he got Bush elected Posted by: UnEasyOne
» What a load of crap . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Yeah - he got Bush elected Posted by: Lincoln fan
More on Nader speaking out on Biden
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 23, 2008 8:17 PM   
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Coming from Delaware, Senator Biden knows full well the weak Delaware State chartering for large corporations that have, for 100 years, chosen Delaware as a most permissive jurisdiction for the concentrated powers of corporate officers and directors over all the corporate stakeholders, including shareholders and workers. We look forward to his broader responsibility as a vice presidential candidate to see whether it will include support for the long overdue federal chartering of large corporations endorsed by Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and William Taft.

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